Pippen says 1995-96 Bulls would sweep Warriors

[Ca$H]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15123546/scottie-pippen-predicts-1995-96-chicago-bulls-sweep-golden-state-warriors

:oldlol: Bulls would win in 6 games. It took them 6 games to beat the Sonics in the Finals.

[LAKingKobe]

No, if anything they would be the ones to get swept. Most likely is Warriors in six or seven games.

[navy]

Might take the bulls a while to adapt to having to guard the 3 point line so much.

I would take the Bulls in 6 games though.

[LAZERUSS]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15123546/scottie-pippen-predicts-1995-96-chicago-bulls-sweep-golden-state-warriors

:oldlol: Bulls would win in 6 games. It took them 6 games to beat the Sonics in the Finals.

The Bulls would have no chance with Kerr shooting .303, Kukoc .423, Pippen .343, and even MJ at .415. ... like they did against a considerably worse Sonics team.

[Ca$H]

Pippen also predicted that he would draw the assignment of guarding league MVP Stephen Curry while Michael Jordan would guard Klay Thompson.

"I think that my size and length would bother [Curry] a little bit," said Pippen, who also declared that he could limit Curry to fewer than 20 points.

Jordan would shut down Klay easily. However, I'm not sure Pippen would hold Curry to under 20 PPG for the series. Curry would still average 25 PPG but with much lower efficiency relative to what he is currently producing.

[Ca$H]

The Bulls would have no chance with Kerr shooting .303, Kukoc .423, Pippen .343, and even MJ at .415. ... like they did against a considerably worse Sonics team.

Peak Payton guarded him correct? Current Iggy isn't on peak payton's level on defense. Draygod could guard Pippen though.

[nba_55]

It's easy for him and all the other oldies to say that when they know they can't be proven wrong.

[LAZERUSS]

Peak Payton guarded him correct? Current Iggy isn't on peak payton's level on defense. Draygod could guard Pippen though.

Payton completely shut MJ down in that Finals. The problem was, Karl didn't put Payton on Jordan until game four.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/08/21/how-putting-gary-payton-on-michael-jordan-sooner-could-have-changed-the-1996-nba-finals/

[QUOTE]Chicago won the the first three games of the series and were on the brink of a sweep, [B]before George Karl finally made a key adjustment, allowing Payton,

[nba_55]

Didn't Chamberlain say he would drop like 70 ppg in 80's/90's and Russell say that it would easier for his Celtics to win in 80's/90's? The trend continues...

[Ca$H]

Payton completely shut MJ down in that Finals. The problem was, Karl didn't put Payton on Jordan until game four.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/08/21/how-putting-gary-payton-on-michael-jordan-sooner-could-have-changed-the-1996-nba-finals/

Damn. Waiting for 3ball to reply. :oldlol:

[sekachu]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15123546/scottie-pippen-predicts-1995-96-chicago-bulls-sweep-golden-state-warriors

:oldlol: Bulls would win in 6 games. It took them 6 games to beat the Sonics in the Finals.




It took warriors 6 games to beat unhealthy cavaliers :rolleyes:

[Reggie43]

Bulls would probably win in 5-6. Even if the greatest perimeter defense in nba history fails to contain Steph who in the warriors lineup could stop the Goat :oldlol:

[Ca$H]

It took warriors 6 games to beat unhealthy cavaliers :rolleyes:

:biggums: This year's team is much better. Last year Curry was a Steve Nash level player. This year he is the best player in the NBA. Last year Draygod was a role player. This year he is an all star.

[sekachu]

Payton completely shut MJ down in that Finals. The problem was, Karl didn't put Payton on Jordan until game four.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/08/21/how-putting-gary-payton-on-michael-jordan-sooner-could-have-changed-the-1996-nba-finals/




Not to discredit payton but MJ wasn't being aggressive after the bulls up to 3-0.

[nba_55]

Not to discredit payton but MJ wasn't being aggressive after the bulls up to 3-0.

What does being aggressive have to do with bad efficiency?

[sekachu]

:biggums: This year's team is much better. Last year Curry was a Steve Nash level player. This year he is the best player in the NBA. Last year Draygod was a role player. This year he is an all star.




They won 67 last year. Even they win 73 this year, the differential is only 5 games more and the west is actually weaker than last year so I wouldn't think this year warriors is much better than last year.

lol at curry at steve nash level. He just got the green light to exert more

[sekachu]

What does being aggressive have to do with bad efficiency?




If MJ played more aggressive against payton, the outcome would be different. Even MJ himself admitted that he lost his focus after the bulls up to 3-0.

[90sgoat]

The Bulls would have no chance with Kerr shooting .303, Kukoc .423, Pippen .343, and even MJ at .415. ... like they did against a considerably worse Sonics team.

Lol.

That Supersonics team was one of the best defensive teams of all time and the Bulls were op 3-0 before taking a break.

MJ vs Supersonics D: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7pEo2AUtoY

[LBJFTW]

It's easy for him and all the other oldies to say that when they know they can't be proven wrong.

One thing they can say is that they shit on their competition for the long haul and won 6/6 and that for GSW to be their equal, they need to do the same. 1/1 and on pace to go 2/2 is where GSW currently stand. They have a long way to go.

[Indian guy]

Not to discredit payton but MJ wasn't being aggressive after the bulls up to 3-0.

MJ's aggressiveness actually stayed pretty consistent through out that series. But the '96 Finals is easily the most doubled-teamed series I've seen MJ play in after the '88 ECS against Detroit. Very disingenuous to pretend Payton shut him down when MJ wasn't seeing anything close to single coverage.

[sd3035]

One thing they can say is that they shit on their competition for the long haul and won 6/6 and that for GSW to be their equal, they need to do the same. 1/1 and on pace to go 2/2 is where GSW currently stand. They have a long way to go.

The topic is actually about this year's Warriors vs the 96 Bulls

[tomtucker]

sweep ? come on Scottie :rolleyes: ........16

[90sgoat]

MJ's aggressiveness actually stayed pretty consistent through out that series. But the '96 Finals is easily the most doubled-teamed series I've seen MJ play in after the '88 ECS against Detroit. Very disingenuous to pretend Payton shut him down when MJ wasn't seeing anything close to single coverage.

I've never seen such suffocating physical double teaming as that Sonics team. You really need to see it to believe it. It was practically impossible to move inside the 3 point line without getting doubleteamed and bodychecked hard. Stats don't show the whole story at all. That was an ugly physical series.

Pippen shot 34%, Kerr shot 30%, Harper 33%, which proves just how devastating the Sonics perimeter defense was.

[Da_Realist]

96 Sonics and the 16 Warriors are totally incomparable teams. Basketball is not transitive. It's about how two teams match up to each other. However the Bulls played the Sonics has no bearing whatsoever to how they match up to the Warriors.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

96 Sonics and the 16 Warriors are totally incomparable teams. Basketball is not transitive. It's about how two teams match up to each other. However the Bulls played the Sonics has no bearing whatsoever to how they match up to the Warriors.

Definitely. It really is apples and oranges.

The only facts we can go by, as a precursor to this hypothetical if you will, are the ones available.

Golden State DOES have historically great shooting; Chicago DID have historically great defenders (and the greatest player to ever play). You combine that with the RULES along with which era this series is played in, and I think its closer than some are led to believe.

[GrapeApe]

96 Sonics and the 16 Warriors are totally incomparable teams. Basketball is not transitive. It's about how two teams match up to each other. However the Bulls played the Sonics has no bearing whatsoever to how they match up to the Warriors.

Quit making sense and using proper logic. That type of intelligent, rational thinking will not be tolerated.

[AceManIII]

Who the f*** takes Scottie serious after his LeBron comment in 2011?!?

[bdreason]

I would pick Bulls in 6. It would really depend on the rule-set though.

[aj1987]

Definitely. It really is apples and oranges.

The only facts we can go by, as a precursor to this hypothetical if you will, are the ones available.

Golden State DOES have historically great shooting; Chicago DID have historically great defenders (and the greatest player to ever play). You combine that with the RULES along with which era this series is played in, and I think its closer than some are led to believe.
:applause: :applause:

6-7 games. Depending upon how the teams adjust to each other.


On a side not, are there any other top 10 level player who won a series (let alone the Finals), while shooting 26% in the closeout game?

[Dro]

Bulls win in 6. Pippen on Curry. Curry will still get his. He's a great shooter, he's going to make tough shots but it will be on less efficiency and more shots. Jordan would probably shut Klay down and Rodman and Green cancel each other out. The rest of the starters and the benches cancel each other out, maybe give the Bulls bench a slight edge. The difference is MJ. There is not a player on GS that can close to stopping him assuming we're playing in the no handcheck era. I give MJ 2 off/sub par games. So I'd say Bulls in 6. Bulls in 5 if MJ only has 1 bad game.

Edit - Curry is good enough that he could go off regardless of who's on him, including MJ. Series could go on longer...

[GreatHILL]

the fagdubs would never handle rodman let alone to win a game against the bulls :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DmDq2DASUE

[Noyze]

Although I don't agree with Pippen in a sweep, teams with 2 elite perimeter defenders have done well against the Warriors. The Bulls have 3 in Ron Harder, Pippen, and MJ. Bulls would win in 6. Rodman is very versatile, plus he would punk Dremond Green. Pippen on Curry would be a real problem for the warriors, even if they played with todays rules.

[CuterThanRubio]

The three point line was shorter in 1996, need I say more?

[GreatHILL]

The three point line was shorter in 1996, need I say more?

9 inches shorter, need i say more?

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=Dro]]
If the series was governed by the rules that existed when the Bulls dominated the game, hand-checking would be a routine defensive tactic, as would banging a player making a weak-to-strong-side cut across the lane. Alligator wrestling in the low post was also permitted. Screens were also more physical. And extra-hard fouls were usually not penalized.

The game was rougher, tougher and more difficult for shooters to find open shots.

By the older rules, the Bulls would sweep, winning each game by double digits.

On the other hand, today

[guy]

:applause: :applause:

6-7 games. Depending upon how the teams adjust to each other.


On a side not, are there any other top 10 level player who won a series (let alone the Finals), while shooting 26% in the closeout game?

Well there's Kobe. Pretty arbitrary finding though. If it's 27%, Lebron is in that category as well. Since we're doing arbitrary topics, what players have had a 9 PPG drop-off from the regular season in the Finals?

[guy]

I say Bulls win but they aren't sweeping and/or holding Steph under 20. They win primarily because Klay is probably doing nothing in this series being guarded by Jordan or Pippen and no one is limiting Jordan.

[3ball]

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MJ was normally the primary defender on opponent's best wing, not Pippen


Jordan was primary defender on:

Magic Johnson - 1991 Finals (43% FG)
Clyde Drexler - 1992 Finals (42%)
Reggie Miller - 1998 ECF (42%)
Isiah Thomas - 1988 and 1989 Playoffs (35%)
Gary Payton - 1996 Finals (Gm 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw) and Gm 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg)... 43%)


Pippen was primary defender on:

Penny 1996 ECF (25 ppg on 47%)


Jordan guarded Penny in that series too and locked him down - Penny scored a total of 1 point (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtNOjco8yQ) on Jordan the entire series.

Also, in 1993 Finals, Jordan guarded Kevin Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw) in crunch time of Game 3 - he held him to 2 points in the final 7 minutes and three overtimes.. He has a far greater experience guarding point guards than Pippen, who almost never did it.

[90sgoat]

I say Bulls win but they aren't sweeping and/or holding Steph under 20. They win primarily because Klay is probably doing nothing in this series being guarded by Jordan or Pippen and no one is limiting Jordan.

Klay didn't do anything against Cavs either. Actually lets wait and see if Warriors even win this year before the Bulls comparisons begin.

[raprap]

Warriors in 5


The game evolves and for the better imo.

[LAZERUSS]

They are not sweeping them that's for sure.

IMO, it could go either way.

And no, no one is stopping Curry. Not Pippen, not Jordan, and not the entire Bulls team. The only one stopping Curry is Curry.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[CuterThanRubio]

9 inches shorter, need i say more?

WRONG.

You just lost all credibility!

The line was 21 inches shorter from the top of the key.


Seriously, explain why a handful of players dramatically improved from distance during those years, and their numbers plummeted once the line was moved back again?

Curry and Klay would FEAST from range if they played with 96 specifications.

[Inferno]

What a dumbass :facepalm

[3ball]

First three games: 31 points, 46 fg%, 50 3fg%, 12.3 FTA... CRUNCHTIME
Last three games: 23.7 points, 36.7 fg%, 11.1 3fg% 10 FTA.... GARBAGE TIME


Damn. Waiting for 3ball to reply. :oldlol:


Jordan got the Bulls a 3-0 lead and then coasted.. Pretty standard.. He said right before Game 4 that:


"this is the most relaxed I've ever been in a Finals:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s


Also, Jordan had 26 points on 9-18 in Game 5, and no less than 22 points in Games 4 or 6 (much better than 8 or 7 points like one of Lebron's bad performances).

In Game 6, Jordan had 22/9/7 and held Hawkins to 4 points on 1-5, while every other Bull got lit up - Schrempf destroyed Pippen for 23 points on 59%, Kemp destroyed Rodman for 18/10 on 47%, and Payton destroyed Harper for 21 points on 53%.. Ultimately, Jordan held Hawkins to 12 points less than his series and season average, and the Bulls WON by that amount (12).

[Genaro]

96? You're talking when guys like Curry and Klay were just children. No way they winning one game against full grown men. I agree with Pippen

[3ball]

96? You're talking when guys like Curry and Klay were just children. No way they winning one game against full grown men. I agree with Pippen
Agreed.. The Warriors rely on the 3-point shot to be great.

Without the 3-point line, or if a team takes it away (like the Spurs did the other night), they're nothing.

The Bulls didn't rely on a gimmick like the 3-point line to be great - they were just great basketball players.

[LAZERUSS]

And just to put this in proper perspective...

MJ's per/36 in 95-96...

29.0 ppg, .525 eFG% (with a SHORTER 3pt line), .582 TS% (again, with a SHORTER 3 pt line), 6.3 rpg, 4.1 apg, 2.1 spg, and 2.1 TOV


Curry's per/36 in 15-16...

31.7 ppg, .630 eFG% (with DEEPER 3 pt line), .671 TS% (again, with a DEEPER 3 pt line), 5.7 rpg, 6.9 apg, 3.0 spg, and 4.7 TOV.

Furthermore, today's deeper 3 pt line doesn't begin to show Curry's shooting impact. Curry routinely shoots from 30+ feet.


Incidently I deliberately used per/36 simply because Curry frequently doesn't play in 4th quarters. In actuality, MJ played 37.7 mpg, and Curry 34.1 mpg in their respective seasons.

[CuterThanRubio]

Agreed.. The Warriors rely on the 3-point shot to be great.

Without the 3-point line, or if a team takes it away (like the Spurs did the other night), they're nothing.

The Bulls didn't rely on a gimmick like the 3-point line to be great - they were just great basketball players.


How is shooting a gimmick?

Is that not the most integral part of the sport itself? Putting the ball in the basket?

Do you not think that a player should be rewarded more points for making a more difficult shot?

The Warriors are loaded with great basketball players, and I would argue that they are more skilled, the Bulls had players with supreme athleticism, and that was their greatest advantage.


Jud would not qualify for the modern NBA, sorry!

[3ball]

Incidently I deliberately used per/36 simply because Curry frequently doesn't play in 4th quarters.

In actuality, MJ played 37.7 mpg, and Curry 34.1 mpg in their respective seasons.



............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)

SHAQ 2000....... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 39.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 38.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 43.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
SHAQ 2001....... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 35.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 26.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
SHAQ 2002....... 33.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 35.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 28.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

KOBE 2001....... 32.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 31.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 23.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
KOBE 2002....... 30.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 31.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 27.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
KOBE 2008....... 31.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 41.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2009... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
LEBRON 2012... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)



In addition to a greater offensive load, MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's - this is especially true against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense)... Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

[LBJFTW]

The topic is actually about this year's Warriors vs the 96 Bulls

Comparing teams across eras with different rules is a poor mans game.
All you can really do is compare how well they did against their competition at the time.


Who the f*** takes Scottie serious after his LeBron comment in 2011?!?

Lebron has shown us nothing other than how to collude and only go 2/4 despite stacking the deck in his favor as much as possible. Now he's on the most expensive team in the league and crying because Curry and the warriors are too stacked.

[Inferno]

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/the-74-8-golden-state-warriors.46436/page-160

Peep these Cavs fans circlejerking over Pippen's statement and talking about how the Bulls would crush the Dubs :oldlol:

The 2015 Finals was a hell of a series, but it's a shame a lot of Cavs fans still refuse to give the Warriors their props :facepalm

[Braincells]

insert old man yells at cloud pic

[LAZERUSS]

............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)

SHAQ 2000....... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 39.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 38.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 43.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
SHAQ 2001....... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 35.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 26.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
SHAQ 2002....... 33.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 35.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 28.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

KOBE 2001....... 32.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 31.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 23.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
KOBE 2002....... 30.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 31.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 27.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
KOBE 2008....... 31.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 41.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2009... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
LEBRON 2012... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)



In addition to a greater offensive load, MJ's defensive impact dwarfs Curry's - this is especially true against teams that have great perimeter players, since MJ can guard guys like Magic, Lebron, or Drexler, while Curry can only defend guys like Shumpert, Delly, etc.

There's a reason Curry didn't win FMVP in last year's Finals - he only did half the job, while Iggy did the other half (defense)... Otoh, MJ performed Iggy's duties on defense by guarding Magic/Drexler, while still having a goat offensive impact - Jordan's 2-way ability is why he has 6 FMVP's, compared to Curry's 0.

We are talking about 95-96 vs 15-16. The Warriors may not win the title, but I seriously doubt any team is going to beat them four times. Nor do I believe that Curry will have a poor Finals.

But again, how about MJ's '96 Finals, (when there were those that claimed that RODMAN should have been the FMVP.)

42 mpg, 27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, .439 eFG%, .538 TS%.

And then, Curry's '15 Finals (again...Curry is MUCH better player today than last year)...

42.5 mpg, 26.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 6.3 apg, .545 eFG%, .585 TS%.

In any case, Jordan was NOT the offensive force in 95-96 that Curry has been THIS season. In terms of efficiency...really, not even close. Curry's numbers BLOW AWAY Jordan's. And we all know that MJ couldn't shoot from today's 3 pt line, either. He shot less than 30% from it in his career.

[RoseCity07]

Pippen would lock Curry down and Jordan would absolutely humiliate Klay Thompson. Bulls in 5.

[Inferno]

We are talking about 95-96 vs 15-16. The Warriors may not win the title, but I seriously doubt any team is going to beat them four times. Nor do I believe that Curry will have a poor Finals.

But again, how about MJ's '96 Finals, (when there were those that claimed that RODMAN should have been the FMVP.)

42 mpg, 27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, .439 eFG%, .538 TS%.

And then, Curry's '15 Finals (again...Curry is MUCH better player today than last year)...

42.5 mpg, 26.0 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 6.3 apg, .545 eFG%, .585 TS%.

In any case, Jordan was NOT the offensive force in 95-96 that Curry has been THIS season. In terms of efficiency...really, not even close. Curry's numbers BLOW AWAY Jordan's. And we all know that MJ couldn't shoot from today's 3 pt line, either. He shot less than 30% from it in his career.

:applause:

Steph did pretty damn well in the Finals, but people blow it off because he didn't win the FMVP :confusedshrug:

26/5/6 on 59% TS is pretty ****ing good :pimp:

[3ball]

not sure baou that

[3ball]

In terms of efficiency...really, not even close. Curry's numbers BLOW AWAY Jordan's.



Efficiency doesn't matter because Jordan carried a bigger load (on both ends).

OLD Jordan won championships while carrying a bigger load than PRIME Curry's load this season:


............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)






And we all know that MJ couldn't shoot from today's 3 pt line, either. He shot less than 30% from it in his career.


This is irrelevant since the best wing scorers in today's game have poor 3-point AND midrange efficency:

Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, yet they're still the best scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allow athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

The spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except his midrange efficiency was GOAT-level (far better than Curry's), so this would be a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

[LAZERUSS]

Efficiency doesn't matter because Jordan carried a bigger load (on both ends).

OLD Jordan won championships while carrying a bigger load than PRIME Curry's load this season:


............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)




This is irrelevant since the best wing scorers in today's game have poor 3-point AND midrange efficency:

Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency, yet they're still the best scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allow athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

The spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except his midrange efficiency was GOAT-level (far better than Curry's), so this would be a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Stephen-Curry-Inside-the-trajectory-of-world-s-6858435.php


He has learned to embrace his green light to shoot more often and from farther away. His volume of three-point shots is up 35 percent this season, compared with last year. And, despite this increase in attempts, he’s making a higher percentage of those shots.

Curry also is shooting better from even greater distances. The NBA three-point line sits 22 feet from the basket in the corners, and 23 feet, 9 inches around the arc. That’s a long way, but Curry has stretched the feasible shot even farther: He’s sinking more than 60 percent of his shots from 28-plus feet this season, including three from 40 feet or longer (most recently a stunning half-court shot Thursday).

Simply put, basketball has never seen this kind of long-range shooting.

A truly LETHAL weapon. Teams have to defend him the second he gets out of his car.