Panama Papers reaction

[LJJ]

Possibly the biggest corruption scandal of our time is unraveling as we speak.

http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/56febff0a1bb8d3c3495adf4/

[QUOTE]The company
The company at the center of all these stories is Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian provider of offshore companies with dozens of offices all over the world. It sells its shell firms in cities such as Zurich, London, and Hong Kong

[Trollsmasher]

oh great, another maidan

wouldn't be too surprised to find poroshenko hanging in the morning

[Nick Young]

I have heard that Lionel Messi is on this list.

What did Messi do wrong?

[LJJ]

I have heard that Lionel Messi is on this list.

What did Messi do wrong?

The only reason for anyone to be involved with this company is to hide money.

In the case of these state leaders and politicians, it's often going to be because their money is dirty illegal blood money, used in shady dealings with other criminals and nobody should know about it. In the case of Lionel Messi it's probably simply for tax evasion.

[Nick Young]

Is Luis Suarez on this list?

[Doomsday Dallas]

can someone give a brief synopsis of what this is all about?

three or four sentences.

[fiddy]

can someone give a brief synopsis of what this is all about?

three or four sentences.


[QUOTE]The company at the center of all these stories is Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian provider of offshore companies with dozens of offices all over the world. It sells its shell firms in cities such as Zurich, London, and Hong Kong

[Akrazotile]

Not surprised any of the leaders mentioned in the OP were involved in this.

Will be interesting to see what figures from the west end up fingered in this.


Justice better come down on those involved.

[Nick Young]

I read Putin is in on it.

[LJJ]

can someone give a brief synopsis of what this is all about?

three or four sentences.

I try to eli5:

1. Seemingly legitimate company "A" makes a lot of money.

2. Company "A" actually makes money because of corruption, or wants to evade taxes.

3. Person "X" has a shell company "B" which only exists on paper in a tax haven banana republic, but is actually more like an anonymous bank account. (in the case of tax evasion this person is the owner of company "A", in the case of corruption it's their secret associate)

4. Company "A" buys fake services from fake company "B" to make hidden payments to person "X".

A giant batch of information including the names of the people making use of these shell companies has been leaked. Concerning many billions of dirty money.

[Doomsday Dallas]

ur welcome

no... All i really needed was a better link...


http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers



2$ Billion Dollars?

who cares about 2$ Billion Dollars?


http://conspiracy-gov.com/images/economic-collapse/donald-rumsfeld-2.3-trillion-dollars-just-gone.jpg

[LJJ]

Not surprised any of the leaders mentioned in the OP were involved in this.

Will be interesting to see what figures from the west end up fingered in this.


Justice better come down on those involved.


The Icelandic prime minister is a hugely controversial one. This is the guy who was seen by many (idiots) as the people's champion of Iceland, Iceland's Robin Hood. One of the key figures in Iceland's decision to keep their deposit guarantee for foreigners and could effectively steal their money. One of the key figures in putting 100% of the blame on the banks (and taking all responsibility away from the government and democracy).

Turns out he had a personal stake in his policies to the tune of millions of dollars.


But I'm sure there's bigger bombs that will drop.

[fiddy]

no... All i really needed was a better link...


http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers



2$ Billion Dollars?

who cares about 2$ Billion Dollars?


http://conspiracy-gov.com/images/economic-collapse/donald-rumsfeld-2.3-trillion-dollars-just-gone.jpg



Super rich hiding up to $32 trillion offshore

Agreed, nobody should give a fuсk

[Nick Young]

The Icelandic prime minister is a hugely controversial one. This is the guy who was seen by many (idiots) as the people's champion of Iceland, Iceland's Robin Hood. One of the key figures in Iceland's decision to keep their deposit guarantee for foreigners and could effectively steal their money. One of the key figures in putting 100% of the blame on the banks (and taking all responsibility away from the government and democracy).

Turns out he had a personal stake in his policies to the tune of millions of dollars.


But I'm sure there's bigger bombs that will drop.
viking man staying true to form. shit don't change

[StephHamann]

http://humanrightsfoundation.org/uploads/articles/Lionel-Messi-Gabon.jpg

this explains why Messi is chilling with african dictators.

Dude will get busted like Sepp Blatter.

:applause:

[Akrazotile]

http://humanrightsfoundation.org/uploads/articles/Lionel-Messi-Gabon.jpg

this explains why Messi is chilling with african dictators.

Dude will get busted like Sepp Blatter.

:applause:


Are those pygmies?? Only people that could make Messi look tall.

[oarabbus]

no... All i really needed was a better link...


http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers



2$ Billion Dollars?

who cares about 2$ Billion Dollars?


http://conspiracy-gov.com/images/economic-collapse/donald-rumsfeld-2.3-trillion-dollars-just-gone.jpg


Well that's a shitty link because the total amount of untaxed money exposed by the leak is in the trillions

[FillJackson]

2$ Billion Dollars?

who cares about 2$ Billion Dollars?


http://conspiracy-gov.com/images/economic-collapse/donald-rumsfeld-2.3-trillion-dollars-just-gone.jpg

A. That 2 billion is just one guy connected to Putin not all of the money Putin stole. Bill Browder is an investor who had his lawyer killed by Russian intelligence because he stumbled upon a tax theft scheme, estimates Putin's net worth at 200 billion. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/20/is-vladimir-putin-hiding-a-200-billion-fortune-and-if-so-does-it-matter/) Spain is a country where a lot of Russian money is stored. Putin is said to be the owner of this mansion
http://www.agent4stars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/putin-LAzagaleta-634x450.jpg

B. 2.3 trillion never went 'gone.' (https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-rumsfeld-says-2-3-trillion-missing-from-the-pentagon.t165/)
The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.

This was basically about being able to run a proper audit of the Pentagon, many transactions were not entered properly or did not use the proper accounting. They money was still there, they had to clean up the paperwork and eventually they did.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The fact that Rumsfeld even said 2.3 Trillion is unaccounted for should raise an
eyebrow... but no, apparently it's all accounted for. Nothing to see there.

Anyways... about these Panama Papers...

this is legit.



Serious Business.

makes me wonder what the true motive is behind this anonymous source.


top story on Abovetopsecret.com and that's a popular forum.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1112061/pg1

[Doomsday Dallas]

props to LJJ for bringing this to the attention of the insidehoops community.

could be a huge story this week.

should be.

[9erempiree]

I wanted time to research this before I respond and I'm finding the site very hard to navigate.

They haven't even leaked who is involved.

EDIT: Found some names but mostly politicians.

Most notable....Messi and Jackie Chan.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'm finding the site very hard to navigate.

That's what I thought...

and I'm also not sure what is to come from all of this,... but it has potential to be huge.

[Doomsday Dallas]

They've made sure to put Putin (including his picture) on the front page irregardless of the fact he isnt even named in the leaks. Seems like all this is is an America-sponsored counter-responce to Wiki-Leaks. Propaganda at its finest


That was my first thought...

[9erempiree]

This is really nothing new. People have been doing this for years. I have first heard about this 10 years ago when I was approached by someone I thought was a friend about this. It wasn't related to this specific company but it had the same concept.

It's just that this company had the most clients and now they got caught.

[9erempiree]

They've made sure to put Putin (including his picture) on the front page irregardless of the fact he isnt even named in the leaks. Seems like all this is is an America-sponsored counter-responce to Wiki-Leaks. Propaganda at its finest

It's not propaganda when there are data and information. The world does have a right to know.

[Doomsday Dallas]

It's not propaganda when there are data and information. The world does have a right to know.

He meant more like a United States counter-intelligence-program.

or a black-op

still works just the same as propaganda...



It's still hard for me to connect dots on this one... must read the ATS forums
before I even begin to suggest why this just happened.

[9erempiree]

Looks like a lot of them are Clinton donors.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The world does have a right to know.


..... or does it?


link (http://news.sky.com/story/1672161/panama-papers-leak-is-a-crime-says-law-firm)
Panama Papers Leak Is A Crime, Says Law Firm

[FillJackson]

The fact that Rumsfeld even said 2.3 Trillion is unaccounted for should raise an
eyebrow... but no, apparently it's all accounted for. Nothing to see there.
yeah, it did raise an eyebrow and it took them years to work through it.

Also it's 2.3 trillion of transactions, which means that every transaction would get counted at least twice on multiple sides of the leger. Probably more than just twice because it was multiple systems not interconnected.

2.3 trillion is several years worth of the entire military budget. For it to go POOF would mean no soldiers got paid for like 5 years in a row. It would have been noticed.

[FillJackson]

They've made sure to put Putin (including his picture) on the front page irregardless of the fact he isnt even named in the leaks.
Just his best friend.

[QUOTE]A $2bn trail leads all the way to Vladimir Putin. [B]The Russian president

[Take Your Lumps]

Looks like a lot of them are Clinton donors.

Sexist!

[knickballer]

It's funny because when multinational corporations do this(tax havens, transfer pricing, creating shill companies, etc) to avoid paying taxes people turn the other way because it's a part of "ordinary" business. People argue they must do so to remain competitive and appease their shareholders.

Not saying what these guys did is good(I abhor it completely) but it's no different than Apple or Microsoft not paying any taxes despite making billions in profit.

Wake up people this shit has been going on for years!

[Doomsday Dallas]

Wait a second....

I get it now...

I see who this benefits in the end...

http://static.rappler.com/images/un-day-8-facts-20131023.jpg




This all makes sense now. Can't believe I almost overlooked this as a NWO agenda.

[kurple]

Dude give it a rest

[n00bie]

Not surprised any of the leaders mentioned in the OP were involved in this.

Will be interesting to see what figures from the west end up fingered in this.


Justice better come down on those involved.

Justice will probably come down on a few individuals just to show they "did something" about this. Lets be honest, no one is going to go after most of the people on this list.

[LJJ]

A man no one in the West had even heard of until today is now Vladimir Putins 'best friend' and 'joint-partner' in one of the biggest tax scandals in history.

This is kind of the wrong way around. He's godfather to Putin's children, it's not like he's not a known part of Putin's inner circle. There was just never any reason for him to be in the spotlight before.


That said, is there anyone who didn't know Putin had a few billion dollars in illegally procured money tucked away somewhere? This is really not hot news.

I fully agree with you that the media is putting the focus so heavily on Putin for the purpose of cold warfare and to distract from all the cronies of the west who are involved. Tons of western-backed leaders are involved, Kofi Annan is involved, why the hell is Putin the headline.

[FillJackson]

A man no one in the West had even heard of until today is now Vladimir Putins 'best friend' and 'joint-partner' in one of the biggest tax scandals in history.
Here's the google search hits on Sergei Roludugin before 2016 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Sergei+Roldugin&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS525US525&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A3%2F1%2F2000%2Ccd_max%3A1%2 F1%2F2016&tbm=#q=Sergei+Roldugin&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:3/1/2000,cd_max:1/1/2016&start=0)

Here's a 2014 NY Times article on how it pays to be Putin's friend. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/28/world/europe/it-pays-to-be-putins-friend-.html?_r=0)[QUOTE]The academy

[Doomsday Dallas]

Glad to see this is the top story on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/04/opinions/panama-papers-ghitis/index.html
Panama Papers a very big deal


Gotta love that headline...

[Thorpesaurous]

Glad to see this is the top story on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/04/opinions/panama-papers-ghitis/index.html
Panama Papers a very big deal


Gotta love that headline...

This is a great headline

[QUOTE][B]

[HitandRun Reggie]

Messi is suing a Spanish newspaper for linking him to this scandal.

[FillJackson]

Most notable....Messi and Jackie Chan.
You can set up a shell company legally and use it for legal means.

For example, if you are looking to buy real estate you might get cheaper price if XYZ-Fonseca corp is the buyer and not Jackie Chan.

However it can also be used for tax evasion and money laundering.

The Chinese goverment seems to be highly implicated in this.



So far no US officials, but this is simply the beginning. There probably are several upcoming stories over the next several weeks.

[FillJackson]

This is a great headline.
Apparently the first hint something big was coming was Putin moaning about a smear campaign last week.

Kremlin accuses group of foreign journalists of planning smear campaign against Vladimir Putin before elections

[FillJackson]

Nikola, are you working out of 55 Savushkina Street? (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html) Or are you freelancing?

[shlver]

Justice? These shell companies are designed to move money within existing legal frameworks. Politicians and investigators have been trying for years to pin Apple for leasing its IP in Ireland for a nominal fee and then pay all their offshore profits to avoid taxes. The thing is it's all perfectly legal.

[LJJ]

You can set up a shell company legally and use it for legal means.

For example, if you are looking to buy real estate you might get cheaper price if XYZ-Fonseca corp is the buyer and not Jackie Chan.

I keep seeing people say this, but you really shouldn't believe that so easily. This is more of that smokescreening for the powers that be, "just because someone has a company in Panama doesn't mean they are involved in any shadiness, off-shore companies are a normal part of business.".

Yes for many rich people it's often useful to be a silent partner in a company which can do business on their behalf. That's legitimate and it's not truly a shell company. That's just a real company, one of many available variants.

You don't need to go to Panama and pay a law firm a lot of money to set up a fake company including a fake executive, fake employees and a fake paper trail to do any of that tho. The only reason to do that is to do the dirty.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Why would you think that? Because I have an opinion on world affairs that differs from your own? Why do Democrats hate freedom of speech so much?? I'm sorry that the rest of the international community isn't blind to Pentagon run propaganda.

PS. Hows that war in Syria going? Does it hurt knowing that Russia stopped you from destroying another country?
Get the **** off your alt

[Dresta]

They've made sure to put Putin (including his picture) on the front page irregardless of the fact he isnt even named in the leaks. Seems like all this is is an America-sponsored counter-responce to Wiki-Leaks. Propaganda at its finest
This. Not to mention that Poroshenko was the American-backed hero in Ukraine, fighting back against Russian "aggression"--pretty much proves that American interference in Ukraine had f*ck all to do with democracy, not that any intelligent person needed further verification of that quite obvious fact.

edit: Kevin spouting his bs as always considering the major players on that list are a bunch of American allies, including Georgians and Ukrainians America has been protecting from Russian "oppression"

[bdreason]

This has been going on for decades and everyone knows it. Nothing will come of this 'revelation'. I'll give it 3 days in the news cycle before the Western media forgets about it in favor of a celebrity scandal.

[FillJackson]

Um, Poroshenko was mentioned in the very first post in this thread.


So when did Putin get declared Tsar? So you're saying he is entitled to the wealth of his country like the other Monarchs you mention?


The german newspaper is indicating to look for further stories that will focus on American names

[FillJackson]

https://www.accesspanama.com/panama-ppc-ool/

Google ads is showing me this

[Nick Young]

Um, Poroshenko was mentioned in the very first post in this thread.


So when did Putin get declared Tsar? So you're saying he is entitled to the wealth of his country like the other Monarchs you mention?


The german newspaper is indicating to look for further stories that will focus on American names
He never was. He seized power. That's how the world works. A person wants something, so they take it.

[FillJackson]

The data came with a long list of ground rules from the ICIJ, including a strict schedule of when different topics could be published or even mentioned to other sources.

lots more to come it seems.

[FrobeShaw]

Nikola, are you working out of 55 Savushkina Street? (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html) Or are you freelancing?

He is right though, media is focused on Putin mostly. I have seen his picture on top of every website and he isn't even mentioned once in the documents. This is really grasping at straws at trying to discredit him. His alleged "Friend" is named, not him, not his father, not his wife, his "friend". Media is a joke.

[FillJackson]

He is right though, media is focused on Putin mostly. I have seen his picture on top of every website and he isn't even mentioned once in the documents. This is really grasping at straws at trying to discredit him. His alleged "Friend" is named, not him, not his father, not his wife, his "friend". Media is a joke.This is silly. This is not grasping at straws at all, it's how these things work.

ICIJ has a whole section (https://panamapapers.icij.org/the_power_players/) on relatives/associates of country leaders as well as another on relatives/associates of public officials. It includes

Azerbaijan's first family
Daughter of former Chinese Premier
Childhood friends of Russian President Putin
Close friend of Russian President Vladimir Putin
Cousins of Syrian President Bashar Assad
Father of British prime minister
Son of former Egyptian president
Personal secretary to the King of Morocco
Children of Pakistan's prime minister
Son of Ghana's former president
Son of Malaysia's prime minister
Aide to former Argentine presidents Kirchner
Former king of Spain's sister
Associate of Cote d'Ivoire's former president
Nephew of South African president
Widow of Guinea's former dictator
Brother-in-law of powerful China politician
Grandchild of high-ranking Chinese Communist official
Linked to suspected bribe paid to Brazilian legislative leader
Son of former United Nations secretary general
Charged in fraud along with Italian senator
Son of Honduran vice president
Brother-in-law of Bogota's mayor
Arrested in Senegal alongside ex-minister
Wife of Spain's agriculture minister
Business partner of Chinese politician's wife
Former adviser to Ecuador's spy agency

[Cactus-Sack]

I read Putin is in on it.
He isn't, western media continues to use any excuse to try to demonise him

[Cactus-Sack]

This is silly. This is not grasping at straws at all, it's how these things work.

ICIJ has a whole section (https://panamapapers.icij.org/the_power_players/) on relatives/associates of country leaders as well as another on relatives/associates of public officials. It includes

Azerbaijan's first family
Daughter of former Chinese Premier
Childhood friends of Russian President Putin
Close friend of Russian President Vladimir Putin
Cousins of Syrian President Bashar Assad
Father of British prime minister
Son of former Egyptian president
Personal secretary to the King of Morocco
Children of Pakistan's prime minister
Son of Ghana's former president
Son of Malaysia's prime minister
Aide to former Argentine presidents Kirchner
Former king of Spain's sister
Associate of Cote d'Ivoire's former president
Nephew of South African president
Widow of Guinea's former dictator
Brother-in-law of powerful China politician
Grandchild of high-ranking Chinese Communist official
Linked to suspected bribe paid to Brazilian legislative leader
Son of former United Nations secretary general
Charged in fraud along with Italian senator
Son of Honduran vice president
Brother-in-law of Bogota's mayor
Arrested in Senegal alongside ex-minister
Wife of Spain's agriculture minister
Business partner of Chinese politician's wife
Former adviser to Ecuador's spy agency

They are all family members, not alleged "friends". Keep tryna spin this against the russki's though Josh Earnest, Hillary might keep you in if you successfully gin up enough support for a new cold war.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Let's all step back from this and think for a second....


an anonymous source leaks 2.6 terabytes of data... to a German Newspaper.

and after a year, .... with the help from 'X' amount of journalists and news agencies... they expose the elite?


Seriously.... just focus on this for a minute:

[QUOTE]The Panama Papers[2] are a leaked set of 11.5 million confidential documents created by the Panamanian corporate service provider Mossack Fonseca that provide detailed information on more than 214,000 offshore companies, including the identities of shareholders and directors. The documents identify (as directors and shareholders of such companies) current government leaders from five countries — Argentina, Iceland, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine and the United Arab Emirates — as well as government officials, close relatives and close associates of various heads of government of more than 40 other countries, including Brazil, China, Peru, France, India, Malaysia, Mexico, Pakistan, Indonesia, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Syria and the United Kingdom.[1].

Comprising documents created since the 1970s that amount to 2.6 terabytes of data, the papers were supplied to the S

[FillJackson]

They are all family members, not alleged "friends".
There's nothing alleged about it and friend doesn't need quotes. This is just stupidity.

He's godfather to Putin's daughter. Do you have any idea what that entails?

Putin met him in the mid-70's and he was the one who introduced Putin to his first wife.

[FillJackson]

Let's all step back from this and think for a second.... You should get out of Texas. Take a long drive. Clear the head.

[Dresta]

Um, Poroshenko was mentioned in the very first post in this thread.


So when did Putin get declared Tsar? So you're saying he is entitled to the wealth of his country like the other Monarchs you mention?


The german newspaper is indicating to look for further stories that will focus on American names
Since when is the West entitle to go around bombing and interfering with sovereign nations? Where did that "right" come from exactly (aside from American conceit)? In fact, why does the corruption of Putin have anything to do with the West (and America) whatsoever? These countries easily have enough of their own problems to be sorting out, without going on moralising crusades about nations and leaders that have nothing to do with them, and whose internal affairs are none of their business.

I'm sure we'll have some more world government institutions after this over the long haul (some "independent" institutions that aren't remotely independent like usual), when the whole notion of worldwide governance and worldwide rights, and everything else that comes with ideological universalism, is the foundation of these problems, and a fulcrum of waste and corruption and abuse, a bonanza for the rich and powerful and unaccountable, all over the world. This is an ideology idiots like you support Kevin, so stop with the righteousness already :rolleyes: .


There's nothing alleged about it and friend doesn't need quotes. This is just stupidity.

He's godfather to Putin's daughter. Do you have any idea what that entails?

Putin met him in the mid-70's and he was the one who introduced Putin to his first wife.
It could mean a lot, and it could mean almost nothing; you are working with pure conjecture, as usual.

[nightprowler10]

Only on ISH could this thread have gone the way it did.

[Duderonomy]

Let's all step back from this and think for a second....


an anonymous source leaks 2.6 terabytes of data... to a German Newspaper.

and after a year, .... with the help from 'X' amount of journalists and news agencies... they expose the elite?


Seriously.... just focus on this for a minute:



Nobody exposes the elite... except the elite themselves... to further an agenda.



This whole thing is one giant Black Operation by the United Nations...
The World's First Government.

Problem, Reaction, Solution


Problem = Mass Tax Avoidance (2.6 terabytes of data)
Reaction = We need better Government!!
Solution = The UN will have more power


obvious set up for a one-world government.... just puts another stepping stone in place.






This event is a really frightening thought for the future of America...

Because I have a feeling a similar BLACK OPERATION is underway to expose thousands upon thousands
of rich & famous people right here in America.

Imagine 2.6 terabytes of data exposing all corrupt politicians in Washington DC, Corporate CEOs,
businesses, celebrities, banks... you name it. (but instead of it incriminating
various people throughout the globe... it focuses on Americans)

What will be the reaction (in this country) once it's PROVEN beyond the shadow of any doubt............
that anyone with any relevance in this country is corrupt, and a fraud.

the outrage would be like Benghazi x10,000



remember.... America's downfall = The success of the U.N.
Basically it's the luminati exposing the world leaders who won't play ball (specifically Putin)
If you are hoping Hilary get named later on forget it. :oldlol:

But rumor has it Putin might be sitting on evidence that 9/11 was an explosion.


https://media.giphy.com/media/GjYjLvGErsggg/giphy.gif

[FillJackson]

Since when is the West entitle to go around bombing and interfering with sovereign nations? Irrelevant harrumphing and hobbyhorsing.


It could mean a lot, and it could mean almost nothing; you are working with pure conjecture, as usual.Bullshit. The claim is the guy is not close to Putin and this guy was unknown to the West before this weekend. Both are false.

The Kremlin is not claiming that Putin is not close to Roldugin. Before the leak they claimed it was an information attack. Then it was Putinophibia. This week they are claiming it's nothing new and no concrete details.

What they are not claiming is that Putin is not close to Roldugin.

[Back In Shape]

This shit just got legs.

The Iceland PM just resigned. :eek:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Basically it's the luminati exposing the world leaders who won't play ball (specifically Putin)
If you are hoping Hilary get named later on forget it. :oldlol:

But rumor has it Putin might be sitting on evidence that 9/11 was an explosion.






I've always been a big believer that 9/11 will get exposed one day.... Then that belief went away.... it kinda fizzled out

....... but now I'm back on that bandwagon.


It's gonna get exposed...


and another rumor is.... this could happen before Obama leaves office.

[navy]

I've always been a big believer that 9/11 will get exposed one day.... Then that belief went away.... it kinda fizzled out

....... but now I'm back on that bandwagon.


It's gonna get exposed...


and another rumor is.... this could happen before Obama leaves office.

No. There is no hard evidence

[Nick Young]

The Cucked Icelandic PM has resigned. The Cuckening of Europe continues

[Theoo]

nowthat moran have resign iwell campaign HARD for my buddy tommy baggman or siggi cigarete to become next prime minister it a least HAVE to be one themembers from my gang PATENZ. these motherfk**er politiacan dont knowwhat there doing or how to hide money . we need to be more like mosfellsb

[FrobeShaw]

There's nothing alleged about it and friend doesn't need quotes. This is just stupidity.

He's godfather to Putin's daughter. Do you have any idea what that entails?

Putin met him in the mid-70's and he was the one who introduced Putin to his first wife.

Says who? provide a source, a legit source that he is. I don't think Putin has ever even provided pictures of his daughters and there is still people who spculate on who his daughters is.

I have never even heard of this man before and just like that he become Putins best friend.

[Proctor]

[QUOTE=Theoo]nowthat moran have resign iwell campaign HARD for my buddy tommy baggman or siggi cigarete to become next prime minister it a least HAVE to be one themembers from my gang PATENZ. these motherfk**er politiacan dont knowwhat there doing or how to hide money . we need to be more like mosfellsb

[FillJackson]

Says who? provide a source, a legit source that he is. I don't think Putin has ever even provided pictures of his daughters and there is still people who spculate on who his daughters is.

I have never even heard of this man before and just like that he become Putins best friend.

This is just such an amazing example of the self-knowledge form of arguing from ignorance, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance#Related_arguments) it has me gobsmacked. Are you a Kremlinologist? or Just a Jeopardy champion?

You want a legit source? How's your Russian?
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/mironovboris/45477747/19030/19030_original.jpg
http://www.etextlib.ru/Book/Details/46116

I assume you know that Putin wrote an autobiography?

[FillJackson]

Also have you seen Putin's daughter's rock and roll sport dancing? It's trippy.

[FillJackson]

One of the partners in this law firm also wrote novels including Mr. Politicus. Translated from his web site.[QUOTE] Ram

[LJJ]

Azerbaijan's first family
Daughter of former Chinese Premier
Childhood friends of Russian President Putin
Close friend of Russian President Vladimir Putin
Cousins of Syrian President Bashar Assad
Father of British prime minister
Son of former Egyptian president
Personal secretary to the King of Morocco
Children of Pakistan's prime minister
Son of Ghana's former president
Son of Malaysia's prime minister
Aide to former Argentine presidents Kirchner
Former king of Spain's sister
Associate of Cote d'Ivoire's former president
Nephew of South African president
Widow of Guinea's former dictator
Brother-in-law of powerful China politician
Grandchild of high-ranking Chinese Communist official
Linked to suspected bribe paid to Brazilian legislative leader
Son of former United Nations secretary general
Charged in fraud along with Italian senator
Son of Honduran vice president
Brother-in-law of Bogota's mayor
Arrested in Senegal alongside ex-minister
Wife of Spain's agriculture minister
Business partner of Chinese politician's wife
Former adviser to Ecuador's spy agency
Campaign chief of former US secretary of state Hilary Clinton

Added another dirty criminal :banana:

I wonder why they forgot to list her?

[kurple]

Kev why cant you be more like Dresta?
Destra is a top5 ISH moron

[kurple]

Added another dirty criminal :banana:

I wonder why they forgot to list her?
Because it was the cheif of her campaign? And not her

[kurple]

This is kind of the wrong way around. He's godfather to Putin's children, it's not like he's not a known part of Putin's inner circle. There was just never any reason for him to be in the spotlight before.
this

[LJJ]

Because it was the cheif of her campaign? And not her

The connections to many of the others listed is less direct. Also the stuff her chief of campaign is involved in is extra levels of shady.

[fiddy]

Destra is a top5 ISH moron
Talk about irony

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Michael-Jordan-laughing.gif

[fiddy]

СЕРГЕЙ РОЛДУГИН, солист Симфонического оркестра Мариинского театра,
друг семьи Путиных, крестный отец старшей дочки Маши:


Yall talking about this guy?

[LJJ]

You can just read the English version, not like there aren't professional translators doing this shit. http://docslide.us/documents/93030136-vladimir-putin-first-person-pdf.html

Yes the guy is mentioned very often in the book as being a close personal friend of Putin, and one of the people interviewed.

[LJJ]

Yeah. Did you get that from this website?

http://alanol09.livejournal.com/2242565.html

Says information uploaded is from 2 days ago :oldlol: :oldlol:

No from the link you provided. The guys is mentioned all over the text you linked to as Putin's close personal friend. :lol

Way to shoot in your own windows.

[fiddy]

Its obvious that hes a friend of Putin's. Don't think anyone ever denied that (Theres pictures, arcticles evidence ect) . The question was/is whether his connection to Putin has anything to do with the offshore accounts in Panama. No sane person could deny that the two (the money and Putin) don't connect somewhere or somehow up the line. The issue is whether Rodulgin is using these offshore accounts to hide wealth he accumulated (thanks to his connections/Putin), or hide money for Putin himself. We cant ever know - but its obviously 'dirty' money.

The main issue however is the cherry-picking of the Western Media. You had the father of the British PM, and the campaign-mananger of Hillary Clinton, both named, yet its only Putins connections that are been questioned. Its quite clearly selective journalism with an agenda.

People like Kev would like us to believe that its only Easter Europeans, Muslims, Africans and Latinos capable of corruption. Yet the evidence quite clearly shows that there are just as many political leaders from the West whose connections have been named in these links.

Politicians are bent. Politicians have always been bent. This would only be 'news' to idiots.

Agreed, its more than obvious that just another media distraction to keep humanoid tools busy and fuming about how evil Putin and Russia is. But those people are not capable of critical thinking or questioning their own government.

[FillJackson]

I assume you know the title of the book is actually "Ot Pervogo Lica : Razgovor s Vladimirom Putinem" ? Loosely translated this means "From First Face : A Conversation with Vladimir Putin". It isn't an autobiography at all. Its a recorded conversation from 2000 between a journalist and Vladimir Putin following his ascent to power in Russia.It's an autobiography in form of an interview and Putin is listed as one of the authors. It's widely described as his autobiography including in his profile on the Kremlin funded RT.com (https://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/leaders/vladimir-putin/)
[QUOTE]All this changed, however, when he reached 6th grade and began practicing sports

[FillJackson]

PS. In all seriousness how dumb do you think people are mate? Do you even realize you're on the internet? Do you even realize that there is a whole world out there......a whole world not full of poor, naive, and uneducated American-minority groups that you can easily take advantage of? Do you realize humans are capable of critically analyzing information (or in your case BS) that is fed to them?
Do you realized that the autobiography has also been translated into English and is on the internet?

Or better yet.

Do you realize that Putin spoke to the press today?

Panama Papers: Putin rejects corruption allegations
10 minutes ago
Mr Putin said Russia's opponents "are worried by the unity of the Russian nation... and that is why they are attempting to rock us from within, to make us more obedient".
"There is a certain friend of the president, he did such and such a thing, and there is probably a corruption element there, but there isn't any," Mr Putin went on to say.
He praised his long-time friend, the cellist Sergei Roldugin, who is named in the papers as the owner of two offshore firms which made millions of dollars of profits.
Mr Putin said he was proud of people like Mr Roldugin who had spent nearly all the money he had earned on musical instruments and donating money to state institutions.
Mr Roldugin has known Mr Putin since they were teenagers and is godfather to the president's daughter Maria.

[FillJackson]

Its obvious that hes a friend of Putin's. Don't think anyone ever denied that (Theres pictures, arcticles evidence ect) .

:roll:
:roll:
:roll:

How would you describe what you tried to do in this thread?

No troll quite like a Kremlin Troll.

[nathanjizzle]

so youre telling me that these politicians are granting subsidies funded by tax payer dollars to a fake business they hired so that they can use the money at their own discretion. sick.

[FKAri]

lol @ you guys arguing over how involved Putin is or isn't. I mean you're both right. He IS involved but he is also being unfairly singled out. Also there are surprisingly few American names in the Papers. Odd considering this is the country one would expect with the most tax dodgers in the world.


so youre telling me that these politicians are granting subsidies funded by tax payer dollars to a fake business they hired so that they can use the money at their own discretion. sick.

Not really. More like rich people evading taxes on personal income.

[Draz]

Someone explain like I'm 5

[FillJackson]

Someone explain like I'm 5

Someone hacked a law firm in Panama that specialized it setting up "shell companies." Or in another version, a ex-girlfriend of one of the bank's partners was unhappy with the way the relationship ended and stole the law firm's database.

Shell companies are just like shells, they are empty companies that just hold assets for another company. Panama (and the British Virgin Island and the Cayman Island and probably Luxembourg) allow you to basically hide your identity and hide your money. This law firm basically specialized in setting up and selling these companies.

If you're the head of a country and you stole a billion dollars from your country, where do you put it? Well putting it your own country might not be a good idea, because if you have to flee your country or if you get overthrown, it's not going to be worth much. So a shell company in Panama seems pretty good.

Let's say you're a drug dealer and you have a billion dollars, but you can be seen to have a billion dollars because it advertises that you are a drug kingpin and you need to hide it. Or you need to find a way to get your money from America back to Columbia where you can spend it. A shell company in Panama might be helpful. Or a half a dozen of them, so you can launder your money, so it comes back nice and clean and spendable.


Or let's say you're the head of an intelligence agency in a democratic republic, possibly the central agency. And you have a bunch of work you need done, in say Yemen. You're not going to do work yourself, so you need money to hire a bunch of guys. Also you would prefer that the work stay quiet, so you don't want to be writing checks from your government's Treasury, so you set up something like DRZ Associates and then you can pay them from that account.

Or perhaps you just rich and you don't want to pay your local taxes.



Here's some explainers
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/confused-over-the-panama-papers-largest-ever-data-leak-simplified-with-cartoons-game-and

[fiddy]

If you're the head of a country and you stole a billion dollars from your country, where do you put it? Well putting it your own country might not be a good idea, because if you have to flee your country or if you get overthrown, it's not going to be worth much. So a shell company in Panama seems pretty good.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Dying

[9erempiree]

Someone hacked a law firm in Panama that specialized it setting up "shell companies." Or in another version, a ex-girlfriend of one of the bank's partners was unhappy with the way the relationship ended and stole the law firm's database.

Shell companies are just like shells, they are empty companies that just hold assets for another company. Panama (and the British Virgin Island and the Cayman Island and probably Luxembourg) allow you to basically hide your identity and hide your money. This law firm basically specialized in setting up and selling these companies.

If you're the head of a country and you stole a billion dollars from your country, where do you put it? Well putting it your own country might not be a good idea, because if you have to flee your country or if you get overthrown, it's not going to be worth much. So a shell company in Panama seems pretty good.

Let's say you're a drug dealer and you have a billion dollars, but you can be seen to have a billion dollars because it advertises that you are a drug kingpin and you need to hide it. Or you need to find a way to get your money from America back to Columbia where you can spend it. A shell company in Panama might be helpful. Or a half a dozen of them, so you can launder your money, so it comes back nice and clean and spendable.


Or let's say you're the head of an intelligence agency in a democratic republic, possibly the central agency. And you have a bunch of work you need done, in say Yemen. You're not going to do work yourself, so you need money to hire a bunch of guys. Also you would prefer that the work stay quiet, so you don't want to be writing checks from your government's Treasury, so you set up something like DRZ Associates and then you can pay them from that account.

Or perhaps you just rich and you don't want to pay your local taxes.



Here's some explainers
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/confused-over-the-panama-papers-largest-ever-data-leak-simplified-with-cartoons-game-and

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Such a wonderful post.

Anyways, the Clintons are going to be named.

I will remember this explanation.

[Nick Young]

So is Hillary Clinton named in these papers and the American media is deliberately trying to cover it up and shift all blame and focus towards Putin?

[FillJackson]

So is Hillary Clinton named in these papers and the American media is deliberately trying to cover it up and shift all blame and focus towards Putin?

The American media? You seem to have no idea what is going on.

[UK2K]

The main issue however is the cherry-picking of the Western Media. You had the father of the British PM, and the campaign-mananger of Hillary Clinton, both named, yet its only Putins connections that are been questioned. Its quite clearly selective journalism with an agenda.


Crazy Trump's campaign manager moves a reporter to the side, and gets arrested while we talk about the incident for a week, but this....

No big deal I guess.

And some still deny media bias. :lol

[QUOTE]A report parsing through what is currently known to be included in the Mossack Fonseca data leak about Russian corporations found that Podesta

[FillJackson]

Crazy Trump's campaign manager moves a reporter to the side, and gets arrested while we talk about the incident for a week, but this....
You had the father of the British PM, and the campaign-mananger of Hillary Clinton, both named,
No big deal I guess.

And some still deny media bias. :lol

That's because it's untrue to say that John Podesta, the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton was named in the papers. Because he was not.

It is true to say that Tony Podesta is a registered lobbyist for Russia's biggest bank Sberbank. However we didn't find that out from the Panama Papers.
We found that out when last month he publically registered as a lobbyist for Sberbank. That is he publically disclosed his connection to Sberbank.

Tony Podesta is not named in the Panama Papers.

Tony Podesta raises a ton of money for Clinton, but it's his brother, John who manages Clinton's campaign. John Podesta is also not named in the Panama Papers. At this point, there is no connection between the Podestas and Mossack Fonseca. However if you want to argue against Lobbying in general or about Tony Podesta's specific lobbying for Sberbank, you don't need the Mossack Fonseca files, because Tony Podesta publically declared he was hired by them. Tony Podesta was also not arrested because he did nothing illegal.


Chris Tucker was also not named in the Mossack Fonseca files.

[LJJ]

Clinton's intimate connections to a crooked, criminal Russian bank should definitely be much bigger news in America than Putin allegedly indirectly hiding a couple billion.

It's a lot more relevant. Corruption is rampant in the US, and Hillary is pretty much queen bee in that department.

[FillJackson]

Clinton's intimate connections:lol

That's awesome!

Holy shit that made me laugh.

[LJJ]

It should make you cry that Clinton's campaign manager is intimately involved with and on the payroll of criminal financial institutions. It's awful news.

[FillJackson]

It should make you cry that Clinton's campaign manager is intimately involved with and on the payroll of criminal financial institutions. It's awful news.
It's so intimate!

[LJJ]

You can laugh about it, everybody knows you are the biggest shill on this site. And what makes it worse, it's obvious that you are not even a paid shill. You are for free.

Clinton's campaign manager getting lots of money from the criminal Russian financial world is never a good thing. There is no justification for it, no good reason for it. It's awful. And from the outside looking in, it's crazy that this type of information seems to be largely kept from the American voters. This is the real story, the most relevant story for American voters.

But it's not surprising coming from the candidate who also got paid many millions of dollars from Wall Street for unclear and undisclosed reasons.

[Nanners]

You can laugh about it, everybody knows you are the biggest shill on this site. And what makes it worse, it's obvious that you are not even a paid shill. You are for free.

Clinton's campaign manager getting lots of money from the criminal Russian financial world is never a good thing. There is no justification for it, no good reason for it. It's awful. And from the outside looking in, it's crazy that this type of information seems to be largely kept from the American voters. This is the real story, the most relevant story for American voters.


he might actually be a paid shill. some months ago he mentioned that he had to "retire" on his kevinnyc account because of some NDA or job related thing (who knows whether that was actually true or not), but then he didnt actually leave at all, he just started posting on a new account, spewing the same old establishment propaganda. if I had to guess what a paid shill looks like I would say it looks like kevin.



But it's not surprising coming from the candidate who also got paid many millions of dollars from Wall Street for unclear and undisclosed reasons.
she disclosed the reasons, it was - "thats what they offered"

[fiddy]

That's because it's untrue to say that John Podesta, the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton was named in the papers. Because he was not.

It is true to say that Tony Podesta is a registered lobbyist for Russia's biggest bank Sberbank. However we didn't find that out from the Panama Papers.
We found that out when last month he publically registered as a lobbyist for Sberbank. That is he publically disclosed his connection to Sberbank.

Tony Podesta is not named in the Panama Papers.

Tony Podesta raises a ton of money for Clinton, but it's his brother, John who manages Clinton's campaign. John Podesta is also not named in the Panama Papers. At this point, there is no connection between the Podestas and Mossack Fonseca. However if you want to argue against Lobbying in general or about Tony Podesta's specific lobbying for Sberbank, you don't need the Mossack Fonseca files, because Tony Podesta publically declared he was hired by them. Tony Podesta was also not arrested because he did nothing illegal.


Chris Tucker was also not named in the Mossack Fonseca files.

You have seen all of it? How can you be sure? :kobe:

[fiddy]

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2016/04/panama-papers-media-censored-story-160409095509553.html some good questions raised

[FillJackson]

You have seen all of it? How can you be sure? :kobe:
Do you understand the difference between your question and the statement that he has been named? And that that statement is false.


Also as I noted above the person who leaked these files made the journalists agree to a certain publication schedule. The German newspaper that did the first story has indicated stories focusing on Americans would be forthcoming.

[Draz]

Someone hacked a law firm in Panama that specialized it setting up "shell companies." Or in another version, a ex-girlfriend of one of the bank's partners was unhappy with the way the relationship ended and stole the law firm's database.

Shell companies are just like shells, they are empty companies that just hold assets for another company. Panama (and the British Virgin Island and the Cayman Island and probably Luxembourg) allow you to basically hide your identity and hide your money. This law firm basically specialized in setting up and selling these companies.

If you're the head of a country and you stole a billion dollars from your country, where do you put it? Well putting it your own country might not be a good idea, because if you have to flee your country or if you get overthrown, it's not going to be worth much. So a shell company in Panama seems pretty good.

Let's say you're a drug dealer and you have a billion dollars, but you can be seen to have a billion dollars because it advertises that you are a drug kingpin and you need to hide it. Or you need to find a way to get your money from America back to Columbia where you can spend it. A shell company in Panama might be helpful. Or a half a dozen of them, so you can launder your money, so it comes back nice and clean and spendable.


Or let's say you're the head of an intelligence agency in a democratic republic, possibly the central agency. And you have a bunch of work you need done, in say Yemen. You're not going to do work yourself, so you need money to hire a bunch of guys. Also you would prefer that the work stay quiet, so you don't want to be writing checks from your government's Treasury, so you set up something like DRZ Associates and then you can pay them from that account.

Or perhaps you just rich and you don't want to pay your local taxes.



Here's some explainers
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/confused-over-the-panama-papers-largest-ever-data-leak-simplified-with-cartoons-game-and

:applause: :cheers:

[FillJackson]

:applause: :cheers:
That said, having a shell company does mean you have done anything illegal.

There are legitimate reasons for some shell companies. (http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0712/a-look-behind-shell-corporations.aspx)

[fiddy]

Do you understand the difference between your question and the statement that he has been named? And that that statement is false.


Also as I noted above the person who leaked these files made the journalists agree to a certain publication schedule. The German newspaper that did the first story has indicated stories focusing on Americans would be forthcoming.
Suuuuuuure. Thats why on day one, when the story broke out, the guardian focused on Putin and not Cameron. Until the so called "journalist" dont release the full leak to the public, i wont regret the whole issue as nothing but an organized attack.

[FillJackson]

Suuuuuuure. Thats why on day one, when the story broke out, the guardian focused on Putin and not Cameron. Until the so called "journalist" dont release the full leak to the public, i wont regret the whole issue as nothing but an organized attack.
Why are you changing the goalposts to Cameron.

What does that have to do with my statement that John Podesta has not been named in this leak?

[fiddy]

Why are you changing the goalposts to Cameron.

What does that have to do with my statement that John Podesta has not been named in this leak?
Just stating the obvious about the Guardian, they were more concerned with the evil russians, rather their own PM :rolleyes: Not named does not mean that he's not there, there is no way to be sure whats on the database until it is released to the public in full. Washington-based ICIJ is responsible for coordination of the whole leak, and we're supposed to believe that there are not protected individuals or corporations there? Get for real, bruh :kobe:

[FillJackson]

Some Russians in Moscow called the NY Times and pretended to be the Ukrainian President and gave a hoax interview. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/world/europe/a-hoax-plot-cloaked-in-a-ukrainian-interview.html?_r=0)

A conference call with the editorial board was set up on Monday. The complainer’s comments were so suspect that the Times participants, including some newsroom journalists listening in, declined to publish an article on the matter, but instead began to investigate.

On Wednesday, however, edited audio of the call was mysteriously posted on YouTube, and the Times participants found themselves caught up in an apparent propaganda war between Russia, which is backing separatist forces in Ukraine, and Ukraine’s government.

The call, said Carol Giacomo, an editorial writer, was odd “because the more we got into it, the more we had questions.”

“The guy who was supposedly Poroshenko was in the background, and we couldn’t hear him very clearly, and the translator’s voice was dominant,” she said.

The translator told the journalists that the president, who has been identified as an account holder in the Panama Papers revelations about offshore accounts, had $500 million stashed in them.

The translator also quoted the voice identified as Mr. Poroshenko’s as saying he did not want to return the money to his country, in part because he did not want to pay taxes on it.

That assertion was so outlandish, said Michael Slackman, international managing editor for The Times, that it helped confirm suspicions about the veracity of their interview.

The people on the Ukraine end of the phone call spoke in Russian — unusual for senior Ukrainian officials. The signature on the letter, it turned out, was identical to a Google image result for Mr. Poroshenko’s signature. The email address for his press officer was a Gmail account. Further, Mr. Poroshenko speaks fluent English and regularly conducts interviews with foreign journalists in that language.

When a Times journalist, Andrew E. Kramer, called the press office telephone number provided on the email, the man who answered, who identified himself as Sergei Panfilov, spoke Russian with a pronounced Moscow accent.

[fiddy]

breaking news :rolleyes:

[Dresta]

Oh yeah, are we really supposed to believe Poroshenko isn't a corrupt piece of shit now? That he wasn't brought to power through illegal and unconstitutional means (i.e. an armed putsch), which were aided and encouraged by EU & NATO expansionism?

Ok Kevin.

[LootOP]

Oh yeah, are we really supposed to believe Poroshenko isn't a corrupt piece of shit now? That he wasn't brought to power through illegal and unconstitutional means (i.e. an armed putsch), which were aided and encouraged by EU & NATO expansionism?

Ok Kevin.

Poroshenko is heading a picture perfect example of a fascist regime. It's just dressed up as democracy (like most democracies are fronts). If Ukrain leaders would truely want what's best for their country, the people, the working class etc, they would try and build up their future independent of "treaties" with the EU.