Hakeem Olajuwon - "Kobe capitalized more on advice than Dwight and Bron."

[stalkerforlife]

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-hakeem-olajuwon-lebron-james-040416

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

BREAKING: One of the most skilled players ever is more skilled than two of the least skilled stars

[Cold soul]

Kobe is Hakeem of centers.

[Jacks3]

Kobe led the ENTIRE league in post-up efficiency in 2013:

From Zach Lowe:


Among 106 players to finish at least 75 post-ups with a shot, drawn foul, or turnover, Bryant was the most efficient in the league, per Synergy Sports. The most efficient! At age 34! He hit 55 percent of his post-up shots and produced 1.05 points per possession from the block, per Synergy. Factor in passes from the block, and only one of those 106 players leaps past Kobe in points per possession on post-ups: Kevin Durant

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[navy]

You cant put quotations if the person didnt actually say it.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe led the ENTIRE league in post-up efficiency in 2013:

From Zach Lowe:


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
KD and Kobe:applause: :applause: two of the 5 most skilled perimeter players ever:applause: :applause:

[Akrazotile]

Plenty of big men more skilled in the post than Shaq.

But at the end of the day... it dont matter a lick, unless you hold it down THICK.


3 > 12

DEAL WITH IT.

[Chokefree]

Bran stans avoiding this thread....LMAO

[Clifton]

Kobe's post game has been amazing for years. Few things are more deadly or beautiful.

That and his passing are the 2 best things about him. The problem is he did much less passing and post-up and much more long 2s and tunnel-vision play. Maybe if he were 5 inches taller, he wouldn't have thought he had to be Michael Jordan. If he had modeled himself after Hakeem instead, even at the same size, he might have been up there with Bird and Magic.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe led the ENTIRE league in post-up efficiency in 2013:

From Zach Lowe:


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Lebron led the entire league in 2014

[Quickening]

And yet as soon as his athleticism went he became literally one of the worst players in the NBA :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

POST-UP POWERS
Most efficient post-up players in 2013-14 season, according to Synergy (minimum 125 plays).

Player Plays Points FG% %FT Pts/play
LeBron James 261 283 55.9 21.8 1.08
Kevin Durant 207 221 47.8 20.8 1.07
Dirk Nowitzki 534 568 50.8 15.5 1.06
Dwyane Wade 145 153 53.7 17.2 1.06
Carmelo Anthony 420 427 49.4 16.7 1.02
Al Jefferson 840 813 51.0 11.0 0.97
Arron Afflalo 173 167 49.6 14.5 0.97
Blake Griffin 541 517 47.8 22.7 0.96
Joe Johnson 244 233 50.8 12.3 0.96
Brandon Bass 241 229 44.8 17.0 0.95

KING POST UP

[Im Still Ballin]

He crushed the rest of the league in PER last season with a 31.7, just shy of his career high. He shot a ridiculous 56.5 percent from the field. He scored more points in the paint per game than anybody else in the league. He dished out more assists than most point guards. He registered a higher rebound rate than Marc Gasol and Robin Lopez. Defensively, he's tall, quick and strong enough to guard just about anyone in the league, and he almost did.

And if all that wasn't enough, consider this: He now wields one of the most potent jumpers in the league. Only Jose Calderon averaged more points per spot-up play than James, according to Synergy Sports.

Most efficient spot-up players, 2012-13 regular season(Min. 100 plays)

Player Plays Points PPP
Jose Calderon 187 281 1.50
LeBron James 143 195 1.36
Kyle Korver 224 301 1.34
Steve Nash 114 153 1.32
Stephen Curry 226 294 1.30


James' name pops up near the top of all the jump-shot leaderboards for last season. And that includes the unguarded catch-and-shoot category, in which he effectively shot 73.1 percent once you account for the added value of 3s. Only five players were more lethal with open shots. While he couldn't find his shot in the Finals until the very end, he ended up converting 37.5 percent of his 3s in the postseason, which is well above average. (For perspective, Kevin Durant shot 31.3 percent from deep in the playoffs.)

[warriorfan]

KING POST UP

LeBron was moreso in his prime with a much better team doe

[Jacks3]

Kobe's post game has been amazing for years. Few things are more deadly or beautiful.

That and his passing are the 2 best things about him. The problem is he did much less passing and post-up and much more long 2s and tunnel-vision play. Maybe if he were 5 inches taller, he wouldn't have thought he had to be Michael Jordan. If he had modeled himself after Hakeem instead, even at the same size, he might have been up there with Bird and Magic.

He's already up there with Bird and Magic, you dolt.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's already up there with Bird and Magic, you dolt.
He's in the 8-12 variance on the all time list

Magic and Bird are 3-8 variance

They are close, but Kobe is a tier below them

[IllegalD]

He's in the 8-12 variance on the all time list

Magic and Bird are 3-8 variance

They are close, but Kobe is a tier below them


How the f*ck is Bird above Kobe when he has

1) The same # of Finals MVPs

2) 2 less rings

3) Sh*t longevity compared to Kobe

4) Not an elite defensive stopper


Don't even get me started on Magic, who won ALL of his rings with another GOAT tier player/center in Kareem and never did what Kobe did (the equivalent of winning without Kareem/Shaq)

Get out of here with your archaic beliefs, old man.

The new generation ain't buying your sh*t.

You're probably the type of dude that ranks Elgin Baylor above Kobe. :lol

[Dom213]

And yet as soon as his athleticism went he became literally one of the worst players in the NBA :lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[eurobum]

http://i.giphy.com/8rxZJXI0NhTxu.gif

[Dr Hawk]

http://i.giphy.com/8rxZJXI0NhTxu.gif

Lebron moves like a robot. Hakeem is a LOT more fluid than him, despite being bigger and older

[Prime_Shaq]

Kobe is Hakeem of centers.
:biggums:

[soots]

Hakeem was a great great player... and a terrible coach.

[AirFederer]

Kobe led the ENTIRE league in post-up efficiency in 2013:

From Zach Lowe:


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Impressive, but at the same time; damn, how bad must his outside shooting have been (and is!)....:eek:

He should have lived in the post not at the 3p line

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron moves like a robot. Hakeem is a LOT more fluid than him, despite being bigger and older
Definitely infinitely more fluid, but notice that in this particular drill Lebron is keepin his dribble alive compared to Dream's beautiful carry/double?

[IllegalD]

Impressive, but at the same time; damn, how bad must his outside shooting have been (and is!)....:eek:

He should have lived in the post not at the 3p line


Kobe's one of the best midrange jumpshooters in league history.

You sound like you're 15 and just started watching Kobe this season.

[TYCRO]

Bran stans avoiding this thread....LMAO
Well of course.

[AirFederer]

Kobe's one of the best midrange jumpshooters in league history.

You sound like you're 15 and just started watching Kobe this season.
Could have been your father, son. But I should've said in the latest seasons. In his prime Kobe was a good to vg midrange shooter.

[Lebronxrings]

lebron living rent free everywhere, everyday. :oldlol: :applause:

[aj1987]

Kobe's one of the best midrange jumpshooters in league history.

You sound like you're 15 and just started watching Kobe this season.

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%. A dude who's considered to be a TERRIBLE jump shooter scored only like a point less a game on jumpshots.

Oh, and for their careers, Kobe (the the '13 season) is 39.28% from the mid-range and LeBron is at 38.7%. I'll admit that Kobe does it on more volume, but a 39% midrange shooter being "of the best midrange jumpshotoers in league history"? :roll: :roll:

[feyki]

How the f*ck is Bird above Kobe when he has

1) The same # of Finals MVPs

2) 2 less rings

3) Sh*t longevity compared to Kobe

4) Not an elite defensive stopper


Don't even get me started on Magic, who won ALL of his rings with another GOAT tier player/center in Kareem and never did what Kobe did (the equivalent of winning without Kareem/Shaq)

Get out of here with your archaic beliefs, old man.

The new generation ain't buying your sh*t.

You're probably the type of dude that ranks Elgin Baylor above Kobe. :lol

Defensive stopper ? Who are you talking about ? Kobe-Bird or Stam-Ferdinand :D .

However , it's just joke ; don't take seriously .

And i do explain why i take Bird over Kobe at career ?

Bird has 9 times top 2-3 player of the year for me . If a player can match that , then i say he's better . Kobe wasn't . He was probably top 5-6 player of the year more than 9 times ( probably 10-11 ) . But he has 7 times top 2-3 player of the year at best ( 01,02,06,07,08,09,10 ) .

[IllegalD]

Defensive stopper ? Who are you talking about ? Kobe-Bird or Stam-Ferdinand :D .

However , it's just joke ; don't take seriously .

And i do explain why i take Bird over Kobe at career ?

Bird has 9 times top 2-3 player of the year for me . If a player can match that , then i say he's better . Kobe wasn't . He was probably top 5-6 player of the year more than 9 times ( probably 10-11 ) . But he has 7 times top 2-3 player of the year at best ( 01,02,06,07,08,09,10 ) .


Kobe was Top 2-3 in 2003 and 2013 too. Your bullsh*t criteria has been met :cheers:

[feyki]

Kobe was Top 2-3 in 2003 and 2013 too. Your bullsh*t criteria has been met :cheers:

2013 no way , it's not debatable for me .

Garnett,Duncan and Shaq were better in 2003 .

[HOoopCityJones]

2013 no way , it's not debatable for me .

Garnett,Duncan and Shaq were better in 2003 .

Kobe was better than Garnett and Shaq. That's arguably when he took over The Lakers. His defensive and offensive play was elite.

[feyki]

Kobe was better than Garnett and Shaq. That's arguably when he took over The Lakers. His defensive and offensive play was elite.

www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2003-nba-western-conference-first-round-lakers-vs-timberwolves.html

Not seems like that .

[Marchesk]

Kobe is Hakeem of centers.

That means Kobe is the 5th best guard of all-time?

[knicksman]

Plenty of big men more skilled in the post than Shaq.

But at the end of the day... it dont matter a lick, unless you hold it down THICK.


3 > 12

DEAL WITH IT.

Jordan wouldnt be jordan if he played like shaq or even just bran. And kobe definitely would be worse than 2/6 if he settled to be just a bran:lol