I find Lebron's career a bit embarrassing to be honest

[RoseCity07]

Like I can just see Bird and Jordan f*ckin lolling hard and talkin mad sh*t about Lebron at the gym.

Like Bird misses a few shots in a row before making one. Lebron chuckles a bit. Bird, tells Lebron it's still a better percentage than his finals record. Lebron goes into Jordan cry face mode.

This is one of the most hyped players ever and instead of having 5 or 6 championships he barely has 2 after numerous ass beatings in the Finals with stacked teams. His legacy is ruined. I cheered for him too, but it's time to admit it. He'll never reach that status Jordan has. He's just lost way too much.

Lebron is done unless Golden State decides to sign him as a 6th man.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You just realized now he can't phuck with Jordan?

That ship sailed LONG ago.

I still don't think he's greater than Bird either, but its open for debate I'll admit. :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Don't worry. We all think Lebron's career is an embarrassment too. Nike hitched their ship to the wrong sail. :cheers:

[Im Still Ballin]

First verse, uh, I'm on 'til I'm on a island
My life's ridin' on the Autobahn on autopilot
Before I touch dirt, I'll kill you all wit' kindness
I kill ya, my natural persona's much worse
You've been warned if you've been born or if you can form
Slap up a cop and then snatch 'im out of his uniform
Leave him wit' his socks, hard bottoms and bloomers on
And hang him by his balls from the horn of a unicorn
Y'all ******' intellect mad slow, y'all **** know
Claimin' you bangin', you flamin'
Bet you could light your own cigarette witcha asshole
Me and Shady deaded the past, so that basically resurrected my cashflow
I might rap tight as the snatch of a fat dyke
Though I ain't wrapped tight
My blood type's the '80s!
My '90s was like the Navy, you was like the Bradys
You still fly kites daily!

[Lebron23]

4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP at the age of 31

I also like the Cavaliers chances this year whenever LeBron plays great basketball. They are capable of winning. Irving and Love just needs to cooperate with him.

[Rocketswin2013]

this forum is literally the same stuff cycled for months and years at a time. what a ****ing hivemind.

[stalkerforlife]

Bran was built by the hype machine of social media, NBA marketing, and ESPN.

He's not real.

A lot of his game is illegal. He colludes with top 10 players just to have a chance to win. He's a choker.

[Lebron23]

Like I can just see Bird and Jordan f*ckin lolling hard and talkin mad sh*t about Lebron at the gym.

Like Bird misses a few shots in a row before making one. Lebron chuckles a bit. Bird, tells Lebron it's still a better percentage than his finals record. Lebron goes into Jordan cry face mode.

This is one of the most hyped players ever and instead of having 5 or 6 championships he barely has 2 after numerous ass beatings in the Finals with stacked teams. His legacy is ruined. I cheered for him too, but it's time to admit it. He'll never reach that status Jordan has. He's just lost way too much.

Lebron is done unless Golden State decides to sign him as a 6th man.


Magic also lost four times in the NBA Finals, but you probably didn't know it. He is 5-4 in the Finals, and every ranked credible journalists, sportscasters, players ranked him over Larry Bird.

Anyway good luck to your Blazers. I actually think they are going to get their ass whoop in the playoffs.

[RoseCity07]

Magic also lost four times in the NBA Finals, buy you probably didn't know it. He is 5-4 in the Finals, and every ranked him over Larry Bird.

Aren't you embarrassed though? I mean yeah he has all those accolades and he's a great player but just look at the losing. The way he lost too. Stacked teams and he didn't get it done. I honestly think he'd have 0 titles without Dwyane Wade.

Cleveland might have won last year if they were healthy but Lebron has regressed big time. I won't even mention Lebron to my friends anymore because it's a losing battle trying to defend him.

[Orlando Magic]

Yeah, I agree OP.

to be honest I'm not even really that sure how the dude made the NBA in the first place, lol. NBA is a joke.

[warriorfan]

lebron is a joke

[Lebron23]

this forum is literally the same stuff cycled for months and years at a time. what a ****ing hivemind.


This is a terrible forum for basketball discussion. No disrespect to Jeff. I love the freedom and free speech here.

[RoseCity07]

This is a terrible forum for basketball discussion. No disrespect to Jeff. I love the freedom and free speech here.

I don't think I ever made a thread like this before. It's just been bothering me lately when I think about the NBA. I have to get it off my chest. srs.

[Lebron23]

Aren't you embarrassed though? I mean yeah he has all those accolades and he's a great player but just look at the losing. The way he lost too. Stacked teams and he didn't get it done. I honestly think he'd have 0 titles without Dwyane Wade.

Cleveland might have won last year if they were healthy but Lebron has regressed big time. I won't even mention Lebron to my friends anymore because it's a losing battle trying to defend him.


It's not his fault that his team losses in the 2014 NBA Finals (Teammates underachieved), and 2015 NBA Finals (His 2nd and 3rd best players were injured).

You need to watch his last 10-15 games. He's playing outstanding basketball, And he even won back to back NBA player of the week award.

[Lebron23]

That's why I've been disrespecting the trolls in this forum. If you want a good basketball discussion. Ban these unfunny jokers.

[RoseCity07]

It's not his fault that his team losses in the 2014 NBA Finals (Teammates underachieved), and 2015 NBA Finals (His 2nd and 3rd best players were injured).

You need to watch his last 10-15 games. He's playing outstanding basketball And won back to back NBA player of the week award.

I hope they make the Finals but he has to win this year. No excuses. I really hope he was coasting this year. He was great in the Finals but got tired. If he can play like last year but with a healthy team I think they have a chance.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Hes a ****ing clown and his fans need to accept he just cant lead a freaking team

For the 3RD YEAR IN A ROW 4TH TIME OVERALL IN HIS CAREER HIS FANS WILL USE THE HE HAD NO HELP EXCUSE :facepalm At some point you have to realize this isnt a coincidence, its just the offense Lebron runs IS EASILY FIGURED OUT IN THE POST SEASON OVER A SERIES. He gets it done in the regular season but refuses to change his style in the playoffs

In 2011 he lost with the STATISTICALLY the most stacked losing finals teams of all time but yet he gets excuses for having no help in other years

Dont forget all of his finals losses have come from brutal beatdowns. Losing 3 in a row 3 times and getting swept. I would have respect for him if he lost close series or lost a few game 7s but we are talking about ASS BEATING LOSSES IN EVERY ONE OF HIS FINALS SERIES LOST.

[Lebron23]

Hes a ****ing clown and his fans need to accept he just cant lead a freaking team

For the 3RD YEAR IN A ROW 4TH TIME OVERALL IN HIS CAREER HIS FANS WILL USE THE HE HAD NO HELP EXCUSE :facepalm At some point you have to realize this isnt a coincidence, its just the offense Lebron runs IS EASILY FIGURED OUT IN THE POST SEASON OVER A SERIES. He gets it done in the regular season but refuses to change his style in the playoffs

In 2011 he lost with the STATISTICALLY the most stacked losing finals teams of all time but yet he gets excuses for having no help in other years


Just SH*t the F*ck up. Before I belt your @$$. Go back to your room, and stop stealing your mom's laptop.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Just SH*t the F*ck up. Before I belt your @$$. Go back to your room, and stop stealing your mom's laptop.


No no lets argue actual basketball for a second. Everything I said is factually true so stop melting down for once and try to argue against me... Oh wait you cant because everything I said is true

What a sad pathetic career for a guy who is supposed to be the 3rd greatest basketball player in the history of the sport

[stalkerforlife]

Hes a ****ing clown and his fans need to accept he just cant lead a freaking team

For the 3RD YEAR IN A ROW 4TH TIME OVERALL IN HIS CAREER HIS FANS WILL USE THE HE HAD NO HELP EXCUSE :facepalm At some point you have to realize this isnt a coincidence, its just the offense Lebron runs IS EASILY FIGURED OUT IN THE POST SEASON OVER A SERIES. He gets it done in the regular season but refuses to change his style in the playoffs

In 2011 he lost with the STATISTICALLY the most stacked losing finals teams of all time but yet he gets excuses for having no help in other years

Dont forget all of his finals losses have come from brutal beatdowns. Losing 3 in a row 3 times and getting swept. I would have respect for him if he lost close series or lost a few game 7s but we are talking about ASS BEATING LOSSES IN EVERY ONE OF HIS FINALS SERIES LOST.

Alpha post...just like Grayson Allen.

[Spaulding]

Lebron will finish top 15 player all time. He's currently out of the top 5 for sure. Unless he wins the next few times going to final perhaps.

He will never surpass Jordan, Magic, Bird and Kareem.

[JT123]

Just SH*t the F*ck up. Before I belt your @$$. Go back to your room, and stop stealing your mom's laptop.
:lol :lol :lol Lebron23 OWNING these trolls

[Fudge]

Top 3 GOAT.

Only the two ahead of him can say they're better.

That's insane.

LeBron is amazing.

[stalkerforlife]

Top 3 GOAT.

Only the two ahead of him can say they're better.

That's insane.

LeBron is amazing.

I thought you were a retired troll?

[Fudge]

I thought you were a retired troll?
I'm not trolling.

[imdaman99]

It's true. I don't doubt his greatness, I know he is an all-timer. I doubt his ability to get his team over the top. And his competitive edge.

[Straight_Ballin]

No no lets argue actual basketball for a second. Everything I said is factually true so stop melting down for once and try to argue against me... Oh wait you cant because everything I said is true

What a sad pathetic career for a guy who is supposed to be the 3rd greatest basketball player in the history of the sport

That's the thing, he's got a good resume with the accolades to back it but you cannot erase the fact that he's lost despite being on stacked teams. Even his fans and Cavs fans know he has no chance against GSW. I find it laughable that he tries to stack the Cavs with a such an expensive line up and GSW is just formed naturally and still the superior team even though the cavs won the first pick in the draft 3 years in a row AND they have lebron. He will never win another ring without wade.

[plowking]

He is as good as anyone that has ever played.

Perception plays a large part into how a player is looked upon. In reality, Bron might be the best ever. His attitude at times has let him down though.

For me, there is no one outside of Shaq that I would take over Bron. All things held equal, I think he gives you the best shot at winning.

[Asukal]

At least Bran gets to be the GOAT at choking when he goes 2/7 this year. :roll: :lol :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

I don't see how the lack of mental fortitude come finals time isn't a huge negative mark on his legacy. He's not a big winner when it's all said and done. He doesn't have that mental edge when the pressure it's at its highest point that guys like Jordan and Kobe had.

[Lebron23]

I don't see how the lack of mental fortitude come finals time isn't a huge negative mark on his legacy. He's not a big winner when it's all said and done. He doesn't have that mental edge when the pressure it's at its highest point that guys like Jordan and Kobe had.


The worst finals performer among the top 12 greatest player of all time. LeBron > Kobe in the finals. Just check their numbers.

[Lebronxrings]

lebron>>>kobe

3rd best player of all time you dimwits.

[Straight_Ballin]

The worst finals performer among the top 12 greatest player of all time. LeBron > Kobe in the finals. Just check their numbers.

The most important number we need to check is who came away with the most finals wins as either a 1st or 2nd option on their respective teams. Every time Kobe got to the finals he was worn down due to the tougher competition in his conference. Lebron in the east cruised to the finals. When your that fresh from having an easier path to the finals, you are going to have better numbers that the guy who played in the more difficult west.

[GrapeApe]

He is as good as anyone that has ever played.

Perception plays a large part into how a player is looked upon. In reality, Bron might be the best ever. His attitude at times has let him down though.

For me, there is no one outside of Shaq that I would take over Bron. All things held equal, I think he gives you the best shot at winning.

Talent-wise, yeah, Lebron is right there with the best. Few if any players have ever been as gifted. The one thing I would have liked to have seen more from him (and you alluded to it) is killer instinct. We've seen glimpses of it, but he's had too many instances where he's been passive or has appeared to briefly lose focus. The 2011 finals are the most glaring example. If Lebron had Jordan or Bird's mentality, he could have been the GOAT.

[Straight_Ballin]

If someone would have just sat his ass down and said "you see what you just did to those Pistons? That's what you have to do EVERY time." He would
have that killer instinct. Instead his coaches have all been bitches afraid to tell him how it has to be.

[ILLsmak]

I don't think Bron's career is embarrassing, but looking at everything together, it does seem like he underachieved. He really blew it with the Miami thing. That couldn't have turned out worse for him, let's be honest. Doing that and ending up with 2 rings, 1 of which was kinda suspect...

If Bron doesn't win another ring, he really did have a pretty underwhelming career. He'd be like Wilt.

People say winning isn't everything, but the thing is... you can say that when there are a bunch of Dynasties and the player is stuck on a bad team (like when talking about KG or AI or whatever), but the NBA has been wide open ever since 2010; that's why dude has been in the NBA Finals over and over.

-Smak

[ballinhun8]

He is as good as anyone that has ever played.

Perception plays a large part into how a player is looked upon. In reality, Bron might be the best ever. His attitude at times has let him down though.

For me, there is no one outside of Shaq that I would take over Bron. All things held equal, I think he gives you the best shot at winning.


There's this guy. His name is Michael Jordan.



Look him up sometime.


Or look at the shoes you might be wearing.

[LootOP]

At end of this season, Lebron will be 2 reg season games away from tying number of reg season games played by Jordan. Still a few rings to go.

[KungFuJoe]

On the court, Lebron is mostly an all timer. He just lacks that mental toughness that other greats had that made them rise to the occasion. Lebron has the ability to get to the highest stage but he can't succeed there on his own.

But his off court antics are all time cringeworthy. He's the most beta, pathetic, emo, awkward superstar ever in pretty much any sport I can think of.

Did you see him dancing on the sidelines during one of his kids' games? Dancing. Attention whore to the bone.

[masonanddixon]

Like I can just see Bird and Jordan f*ckin lolling hard and talkin mad sh*t about Lebron at the gym.

Like Bird misses a few shots in a row before making one. Lebron chuckles a bit. Bird, tells Lebron it's still a better percentage than his finals record. Lebron goes into Jordan cry face mode.

This is one of the most hyped players ever and instead of having 5 or 6 championships he barely has 2 after numerous ass beatings in the Finals with stacked teams. His legacy is ruined. I cheered for him too, but it's time to admit it. He'll never reach that status Jordan has. He's just lost way too much.

Lebron is done unless Golden State decides to sign him as a 6th man.

The worst part about it all is joining two superstars all in their prime IN THE EAST. Beating up on sub 500 teams and then getting crushed by the only good team you face in the postseason.

I don't see how anyone can take lebron seriously unless you're a brainwashed buffoon.

He's the sports equivalent of Obama--an absolute 100% fraud, through the through.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's a top 5 player ever

All the negative talk against him, is mainly TV talk

He was ranked 3rd in the all time list already at 31

People respect the hell out of him

[masonanddixon]

He's a top 5 player ever

All the negative talk against him, is mainly TV talk

He was ranked 3rd in the all time list already at 31

People respect the hell out of him

lmao, he isn't even a top 5 player since Jordan retired. And Curry has already surpassed him as player.

[KungFuJoe]

He's a top 5 player ever

All the negative talk against him, is mainly TV talk

He was ranked 3rd in the all time list already at 31

People respect the hell out of him

He's a great player.

Hardly anyone respects him.

[ArbitraryWater]

I know what you feeling OP, it's easier to cope with 2/6 than to make the effort of thinking, long winded arguments and fighting off trolls...

I mean, by all accounts with his performance last year he should be a 3x Champ/FMVP, his teammates were historically garbage.

How can one hate on that. 4x MVP, 3x Champion/FMVP

Like ESPN said it, top 3 boi :pimp:

[masonanddixon]

I know what you feeling OP, it's easier to cope with 2/6 than to make the effort of thinking, long winded arguments and fighting off trolls...

I mean, by all accounts with his performance last year he should be a 3x Champ/FMVP, his teammates were historically garbage.

How can one hate on that. 4x MVP, 3x Champion/FMVP

Like ESPN said it, top 3 boi :pimp:

lol in the Finals he shot like 32%, played literally no defense, and was invisible in the clutch.

Get the hell out of here, basketball neophyte.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's a great player.

Hardly anyone respects him.
3.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hes too thin and small

[Gileraracer]

He was hyped from day one by ESPN but could never live up to it.

Choker

[34-24 Footwork]

Dude was legitimately supposed to win like 4 rings with the Heat

That says a lot.

[Dragonyeuw]

Dude was legitimately supposed to win like 4 rings with the Heat

That says a lot.

He should have had 3 if he showed up in the 2011 finals. And in hindsight he should have stayed in Miami, but after the 2014 finals it really looked like Wade was on his way out as an elite player. But Wade's rebounded and playing well at 34, throw in Dragic, Whiteside, Bosh( if healthy), and his chances of winning another ring would be better than with the current Cavs IMO.

[Gileraracer]

He should have had 3 if he showed up in the 2011 finals. And in hindsight he should have stayed in Miami, but after the 2014 finals it really looked like Wade was on his way out as an elite player. But Wade's rebounded and playing well at 34, throw in Dragic, Whiteside, Bosh( if healthy), and his chances of winning another ring would be better than with the current Cavs IMO.

He should have had one but Ray Allen

[masonanddixon]

He should have had 3 if he showed up in the 2011 finals. And in hindsight he should have stayed in Miami, but after the 2014 finals it really looked like Wade was on his way out as an elite player. But Wade's rebounded and playing well at 34, throw in Dragic, Whiteside, Bosh( if healthy), and his chances of winning another ring would be better than with the current Cavs IMO.

I don't know why people keep saying this. Dallas figured Miami out by Game 2.

[fiddy]

lebron>>>kobe

3rd best player of all time you dimwits.
More like 13th GOAT. Bran aint got shit on Kobe.

[IllegalD]

Almost as embarrassing as LeBron23's ISH posting career and his bicycle shrimp-peddling "job".

:yaohappy:

[Lebron23]

Almost as embarrassing as LeBron23's ISH posting career and his bicycle shrimp-peddling "job".

:yaohappy:


Watch your mouth son. I have a van which costs almost $1 million pesos (21,500 US Dollars). My business right now is hardware stores.

[sd3035]

Solid thread. I was actually a Lebron fan at one time too, but I was counting on his skills to develop and him to have the heart of a champion

Well, his game got even uglier, he constantly shriveled and quit under pressure, and he relied on flopping, traveling, and offensive fouls to keep himself relevant.

Let's not forget his cringeworthy passive aggressive emo behaviour, colluding, stacking teams, throwing teammates under the bus, getting coaches fired, etc.

I completely understand why he's the least respected superstar ever

[IllegalD]

Watch your mouth son. I have a van which costs almost $1 million pesos (21,500 US Dollars). My business right now is hardware stores.


You f*cking liar.

You already said in the OT thread that you dropped out of law school like a loser and have been relegated to sell frozen shrimp out of your bicycle to rich college students who are actually doing something with their lives and look down on you.

:yaohappy:

[sd3035]

You f*cking liar.

You already said in the OT thread that you dropped out of law school like a loser and have been relegated to sell frozen shrimp out of your bicycle to rich college students who are actually doing something with their lives and look down on you.

:yaohappy:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Sammyzuko]

Lebron's legacy = The Cramp Game

[LootOP]

Watch your mouth son. I have a van which costs almost $1 million pesos (21,500 US Dollars). My business right now is hardware stores.

http://s14.postimg.org/rcq0rnznx/bronicon2.jpg

[IllegalD]

Watch your mouth son. I have a van which costs almost $1 million pesos (21,500 US Dollars). My business right now is hardware stores.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352546&page=29


I worked in a call center agency, and recently as an assistant manager in a gasoline station. I recently started my food cart on bike business last June. I am planning to go back to law school maybe next year. I was in the law school for 1 year.


I am selling some food (calamares, fries, samalamig, and some drinks) near a university. Lots of rich college kids are buying my food. I am probably earning Minimum of 800-1,000 pesos to 2,000 Philippines pesos ( special holiday) per day.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311172


Bachelor of Arts in Sociology

Post Grad - 2 years in law school. I am planning to continue law, But I want to open a restaurant.

Exposed as a f*cking liar. First you say you were in lawschool for 1 year. Then you say 2 years. Get your story straight, b*tch. Typical pinoy lying little sh*t trying to make your pathetic life look better than it actually is.

:yaohappy: :hammertime:

[sd3035]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352546&page=29






http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311172



Exposed as a f*cking liar. First you say you were in lawschool for 1 year. Then you say 2 years. Get your story straight, b*tch. Typical pinoy lying little sh*t trying to make your pathetic life look better than it actually is.

:yaohappy: :hammertime:


He was bragging about making 800 pesos per day, that's $17 :roll: :roll: :roll:

[IllegalD]

He was bragging about making 800 pesos per day, that's $17 :roll: :roll: :roll:

In the Philippines that's enough for LeBron23 to rent out a latrine for him to sleep in. :yaohappy:

[IllegalD]

LeBron23 selling food out of his bicycle:

http://cdn.tokyotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BgZ8o_TIIAAeQJ719.jpg


LeBron23's favorite pinoy candy (no wonder his breath smells like sh*t):

http://cdn.tokyotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BgZ8o_TIIAAeQJ74.jpg


LeBron23 carpooling to work:

http://cdn.tokyotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BgZ8o_TIIAAeQJ75.jpg


LeBron23 family gathering:

http://cdn.tokyotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BgZ8o_TIIAAeQJ712.jpg


LeBron23 watching Pacquiao get dominated by Floyd Mayweather:

http://cdn.tokyotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BgZ8o_TIIAAeQJ73.jpg

[knicksman]

Only a fellow loser would be proud of bran. Collusion is another way of saying im weak or a fakkit.

[Combat Wombat]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352546&page=29






http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311172



Exposed as a f*cking liar. First you say you were in lawschool for 1 year. Then you say 2 years. Get your story straight, b*tch. Typical pinoy lying little sh*t trying to make your pathetic life look better than it actually is.

:yaohappy: :hammertime:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[scandisk_]

I know Lebron23 personally and he's a joke IRL.

:oldlol:

Wanna guess who I am bruh?

[IllegalD]

I know Lebron23 personally and he's a joke IRL.

:oldlol:

Wanna guess who I am bruh?

No, but we'd love to hear about what a loser LeBron23 is in real life and your association to him. :cheers:

[Overdrive]

Magic also lost four times in the NBA Finals, but you probably didn't know it. He is 5-4 in the Finals, and every ranked credible journalists, sportscasters, players ranked him over Larry Bird.

Anyway good luck to your Blazers. I actually think they are going to get their ass whoop in the playoffs.

5-4 is quite abit different from 2-4 and magic still got quite some flack back in the day.


That's the thing, he's got a good resume with the accolades to back it but you cannot erase the fact that he's lost despite being on stacked teams. Even his fans and Cavs fans know he has no chance against GSW. I find it laughable that he tries to stack the Cavs with a such an expensive line up and GSW is just formed naturally and still the superior team even though the cavs won the first pick in the draft 3 years in a row AND they have lebron. He will never win another ring without wade.


If someone would have just sat his ass down and said "you see what you just did to those Pistons? That's what you have to do EVERY time." He would
have that killer instinct. Instead his coaches have all been bitches afraid to tell him how it has to be.

Herein lies Lebron's biggest problem. The "homestate" prodigy playing for "his" team might seem like a hollywood scripted dream come true, but the franchise sucked so long they wanna keep him satisfied to him like a cuck would wanna satisfy a hot girl. They'd do anything for him and the coaches are below him in the franchise's hierachy. Something that shouldn't happen, but aside from the Miami years it always has been this way. The problem about this is that when there's no punishment there's also no reward. So for whom aside from himself does he play? Obviously not for the franchise, not for a coach and obviously not for the fans.

All great teams had coaches breathing down their star player's neck. Lebron never had that, but Miami had Riley and Riley doesn't give a **** about Lebron or anybody.


I don't think Bron's career is embarrassing, but looking at everything together, it does seem like he underachieved. He really blew it with the Miami thing. That couldn't have turned out worse for him, let's be honest. Doing that and ending up with 2 rings, 1 of which was kinda suspect...

If Bron doesn't win another ring, he really did have a pretty underwhelming career. He'd be like Wilt.

People say winning isn't everything, but the thing is... you can say that when there are a bunch of Dynasties and the player is stuck on a bad team (like when talking about KG or AI or whatever), but the NBA has been wide open ever since 2010; that's why dude has been in the NBA Finals over and over.

-Smak

Wilt had great rivalries throughout his career that denied him alot, ATG players and teams. Who was Lebron's denier? Hedo Turkoglo? Paul Pierce?

[Dragonyeuw]

I don't know why people keep saying this. Dallas figured Miami out by Game 2.

What did Dallas do that was so superior defensively to what the Bulls had done the previous round??

[lilteapot]

Lol, OP is a retard. There's nothing embarrassing about it.

What's embarrassing is your career. What have you accomplished? Do you even have a job?

Lebron is Top 11 in All-Time Scoring (and will probably end up top 5 in scoring barring injury or retirement), Top 25 in Assists, Top 25 in Steals, Cavaliers all time scoring leader, former scoring champion, 4 time MVP, 2 time Finals MVP, 12 time all star, Olympic Gold Medalist, 2 time All Star game MVP, and a first ballot hall of famer. Arguably the greatest 3 of all time, and the greatest all around player of all time.

Can you point out to me what is embarrassing about that? That seems like a highly decorated and extremely successful basketball player to me.

oh, yeah, he's 2/6 in the finals. Wow, so he won two championships and lost in the finals but dominated his conference for 6 straight years. What a weakling.

Nobody here actually believes Lebron isn't an all-time great player, you all are just bored and have nothing better to do.

[Papaya Petee]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352546&page=29






http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311172



Exposed as a f*cking liar. First you say you were in lawschool for 1 year. Then you say 2 years. Get your story straight, b*tch. Typical pinoy lying little sh*t trying to make your pathetic life look better than it actually is.

:yaohappy: :hammertime:

holy ****, can everyone PLEASE post this in every thread he talks shit in. :roll:

[FreezingTsmoove]

With Simon gone Lebron23 is the most bullied on ISH at the moment

[choppermagic]

Magic also lost four times in the NBA Finals, but you probably didn't know it. He is 5-4 in the Finals, and every ranked credible journalists, sportscasters, players ranked him over Larry Bird.

Anyway good luck to your Blazers. I actually think they are going to get their ass whoop in the playoffs.

Um, yes Magic lost in the Finals too, but he still won 5, and the Showtime Lakers teams battled another GOAT-level team in Bird's Celtics (and then MJ's Bulls). When you are having epic clashes with HOF level teams, people aren't going to dump on you nearly as much as Lebron getting dumped by Dirk and JJ Hobbit.

[lilteapot]

Um, yes Magic lost in the Finals too, but he still won 5, and the Showtime Lakers teams battled another GOAT-level team in Bird's Celtics (and then MJ's Bulls). When you are having epic clashes with HOF level teams, people aren't going to dump on you nearly as much as Lebron getting dumped by Dirk and JJ Hobbit.
You do realize Kobe, Kevin Durant and CP3 all got destroyed by Dirk that year right? Kobe, the one who you people idolize? Stop making it seem like Dirk is a nobody.

[pauk]

You find it so embarrassing that only 2 players in history can chuckle at him?

There is not much for Bird to chuckle at Lebron for anyways, except for perhaps when comparing pure shooting... but that he can chuckle at Jordan for aswell...

As far as career/accolades goes Bird can chuckle only at Lebrons arse behind him on the all-time list, he is right there and/or above Bird, if its not undisputed now it sure will be by the time he retires...

Jordan however you are right, i mean... who doesnt he chuckle at? Thats an entirely different subject... in our lifetime i think Jordan will not be surpassed... not only is he the most talented/skilled/complete/athletic/everything overall perimeter player ever by far but his accolades are just as unreal in terms of not only quantity but quality aswell... forget it...

[Overdrive]

You do realize Kobe, Kevin Durant and CP3 all got destroyed by Dirk that year right? Kobe, the one who you people idolize? Stop making it seem like Dirk is a nobody.

Kobe already had his chips by then. Everything was on the line for Lebron in those playoffs and Lebron was standing in the corner like prime Steve Novak.


[...]but quality aswell... forget it...

You mean one shot xmas NBA hold no historical significance?

[sd3035]

Louie John Buluran got absolutely destroyed in this thread :roll:

[lilteapot]

Kobe already had his chips by then. Everything was on the line for Lebron in those playoffs and Lebron was standing in the corner like prime Steve Novak.

So Dirk whooping the reigning 2 time champs doesnt mean anything to you?

Holy bias, Batman.

[Lebron23]

Louie John Buluran got absolutely destroyed in this thread :roll:


Only One who get destroyed is you Simon.

http://embed.gyazo.com/7e992580de0ed12ee74bf7ebf77c3ea2.png

http://s9.postimg.org/xhgxbh3bj/BUDADDII.jpg

[Lebron23]

http://i67.tinypic.com/2j18wec.jpg

At least I am not a male prostitute like IllegalD who only banged ugly white women.

[LootOP]

Only One who get destroyed is you Simon.

http://embed.gyazo.com/7e992580de0ed12ee74bf7ebf77c3ea2.png

http://s9.postimg.org/xhgxbh3bj/BUDADDII.jpg


http://s22.postimg.org/4175m1g3h/bronicon9.gif

[Lebron23]

http://s22.postimg.org/4175m1g3h/bronicon9.gif


Nice gif. I admire your photoshopping skills. :cheers: Why Do I look like Golden yellow in that gif?? I don't have a hepatitis C.

:bowdown: :applause: :cheers: :rockon:

[Overdrive]

So Dirk whooping the reigning 2 time champs doesnt mean anything to you?

Holy bias, Batman.

I don't like Kobe, I like Dirk so I thought it was nice back then, but Kobe's career was set in stone by then and could only have been enhanced by another title. Lebron's took a big hit back then and people stil regularly bring it up.

[Showtime2001]

That's why I've been disrespecting the trolls in this forum. If you want a good basketball discussion. Ban these unfunny jokers.
You're right lets start off with you and the rest of the LeBron family.

[Lebron23]

You're right lets start off with you and the rest of the LeBron family.


You are no.1 on my lists Mr. Indian Joe.

[TomCat]

You find it so embarrassing that only 2 players in history can chuckle at him?

There is not much for Bird to chuckle at Lebron for anyways, except for perhaps when comparing pure shooting... but that he can chuckle at Jordan for aswell...

As far as career/accolades goes Bird can chuckle only at Lebrons arse behind him on the all-time list, he is right there and/or above Bird, if its not undisputed now it sure will be by the time he retires...

Jordan however you are right, i mean... who doesnt he chuckle at? Thats an entirely different subject... in our lifetime i think Jordan will not be surpassed... not only is he the most talented/skilled/complete/athletic/everything overall perimeter player ever by far but his accolades are just as unreal in terms of not only quantity but quality aswell... forget it...

This fool became a Jordan fan after trying to compile his flop video

[34-24 Footwork]

The 5th page of this thread delivers the :lol :lol

[sd3035]

Only One who get destroyed is you Simon.

http://embed.gyazo.com/7e992580de0ed12ee74bf7ebf77c3ea2.png

http://s9.postimg.org/xhgxbh3bj/BUDADDII.jpg

That Simon kid is deep inside your head :lol

[Lebron23]

That Simon kid is deep inside your head :lol


Cause you are the one and only Simon.

[Dresta]

I don't know why people keep saying this. Dallas figured Miami out by Game 2.
lol @ you thinking Bron trying to statpad with Miami up 15 in the 4th, failing, destroying Miami's ball-movement and rhythm, and blowing that huge lead, is Dallas "figuring out Miami"

The Spurs in 2014 figured out Miami, the 2011 Mavs got lucky to be playing against a narcissistic mental midget, who looked almost as if he were deliberately throwing the games because he wasn't even the best player on his own team.

[PJR]

He's a moron for leaving Miami. That's for sure.

He should've stayed aligned with the strong leadership and foundation that the Heat had laid out for him. Riley would have continued to retool year after year, and all he would've had to worry about is the basketball aspect.

Instead, like a dumbass, he allowed his ego to overtake himself, and became power hungry, and brand conscious.

Now the only two rings he'll ever win will have Miami Heat logos on them.

[Lebron23]

http://d27ql944xr9meu.cloudfront.net/379b8476f129f08e55b2a9051115a2e0/565x0xwidth/75/http/blog.uloop.com/uloop/r=305/jpg/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/GuYhzdI.jpg

[sd3035]

Cause you are the one and only Simon.

lol OK you cracked the case little guy :applause:

[Overdrive]

This fool became a Jordan fan after trying to compile his flop video

Just like Lebron23 he was a Jordan fan before Lebron and when Lebron retires they'll jump to the next "generational" player.


http://d27ql944xr9meu.cloudfront.net/379b8476f129f08e55b2a9051115a2e0/565x0xwidth/75/http/blog.uloop.com/uloop/r=305/jpg/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/GuYhzdI.jpg

Only 2 players in the projected Top 10 that has more MVPs than titles. The other guy is also famous for checking his stats.

[Segatti]

Why does this thread even exist? The moderation here is so shit :facepalm

[Lebron23]

Why does this thread even exist? The moderation here is so shit :facepalm


Time to replace those old moderators. Out With the Old, in With the New.

[Overdrive]

Time to replace those old moderators. Out With the Old, in With the New.

If there were stricter moderators in place, you among other player stans would've been long banned.

[Lebron23]

If there were stricter moderators in place, you among other player stans would've been long banned.


I am a better poster than you. You hate Lebron because he is better than that low IQ chucker known as Kobe Bean Bryant.

Jeff trust me cause I am his Golden Boy.

[Showtime2001]

You do realize Kobe, Kevin Durant and CP3 all got destroyed by Dirk that year right? Kobe, the one who you people idolize? Stop making it seem like Dirk is a nobody.
Wrong.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-western-conference-first-round-hornets-vs-lakers.html

[miggyme1]

Like I can just see Bird and Jordan f*ckin lolling hard and talkin mad sh*t about Lebron at the gym.

Like Bird misses a few shots in a row before making one. Lebron chuckles a bit. Bird, tells Lebron it's still a better percentage than his finals record. Lebron goes into Jordan cry face mode.

This is one of the most hyped players ever and instead of having 5 or 6 championships he barely has 2 after numerous ass beatings in the Finals with stacked teams. His legacy is ruined. I cheered for him too, but it's time to admit it. He'll never reach that status Jordan has. He's just lost way too much.

Lebron is done unless Golden State decides to sign him as a 6th man.


really??? the only finals he blew with a stacked team was the 2011 finals......please don't tell me you consider the 2015 PLAYOFF cavs a stacked team??? stop it......2014 heat????? cmon

[Overdrive]

I am a better poster than you. You hate Lebron because he is better than that low IQ chucker known as Kobe Bean Bryant.

Jeff trust me cause I am his Golden Boy.

lol, how often do I have to tell you that I don't like Kobe?

You're a better poster than me? What a feat.

[SpaceJam]

It hasn't been embarrassing, I don't even like LeBron but to say what he has achieved is 'embarrassing' is so far from the truth

Okay 2/6, can be considered disappointing considering the hype that he came into the league with, but think of this, there are SEVERAL credible journalists/ex-players etc. who consider him a top 3 player. OF ALL TIME

They've got him above dudes like Bird, Duncan, Magic who have twice as many rings as he has, that's obviously a testament to what he was achieved individually, and that, is far from embarrassing

And he ain't even finished.

[Kblaze8855]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.

All Lebron has done is make it obvious how much nonsense was likely talked about virtually everyone while they were still playing. You read career recaps of universally respected legends it reads like a list of Lebrons off years with a peak of a controversial MVP and a finals loss and there is nothing but glowing praise. Lebron is 31 and has a hall of fame career 3 times over getting hated on not for never winning...not for only winning once...but for not having more than two rings already.

Talking about hype as if hes been a letdown. Nothing but evolving standards to raise the bar ever out of reach. I was on here when Lebron was in the 10th grade. Not ONE poster was saying he would be anything near what hes become. This was ISH on Lebron James...in 2002:




bballguru
High School Varsity
Posts: 54
(7/26/02 10:58 am)
Reply lebron
harold miner material.



Get off the wagon............he's not going to be a household name, because of image already. Can a superstar just not have tattoes anymore? America wants a jordan type image not a tattoed up freak with a wack nose.



loggin23

High School Varsity Star
Posts: 88
(7/26/02 11:20 am)
Reply Re: Will Lebron James be a bust...
lebron has been so hyped up that there is really nowhere for him to go but straight or down. expectations have already been set in, and they are very very high.



playground834
NBA Starter
Posts: 598
(7/26/02 11:27 am)
Reply
Re: Will Lebron James be a bust...
Take over the league with a shoot-first mentality on a crappy team. Realises he isn't going to win championships that way after awhile, so changes his game. Basically I see him on the same par as Jerry Stackhouse.



chingchongchinaman
NBA Superstar
Posts: 1416
(7/26/02 1:47 pm)
Reply hmm
My only gripe with LEBRON is that from the dunks i have seen etc. HE is not really that athletic. NOt sure if he can do well in the pros..hope he does though.



loggin23
High School Varsity Star
Posts: 96
(7/26/02 1:49 pm)
Reply Re: hmm
compared to lebron, carter and stackhouse had more hops in high school.


playground834
NBA Starter
Posts: 620
(7/26/02 1:55 pm)
Reply
Re: hmm
Hops doesn't measure basketball ability



I B STROKING
NBA Star
Posts: 1039
(7/26/02 2:30 pm)
Reply
Re: hmm
i read the artically in slam with him and Sebastian Telfair (the highschool junior point guard that they will be jocking in 2005 when he leaves to enter the NBA and also Stephan Marbury's cousin) on the cover and he talk about living up to the hype and how people expect as good as the newspaper clippings say that u are all the time. in a AAU tournment in NY he only score 2 points and it was in the sports section the next day. never mind that fact that his team won cause nobody really care, they were too busy yelling OVERRATED!!!



JohnnySic
NBA Superstar
Posts: 1872
(7/26/02 2:39 pm)
Reply
Re: hmm
Lets just wait until he's in the league folks...Lebron James a household name? Ask the average person if they've heard of him. Only die-hard hoop fans know his name. Michael Jordan is a household name.


monthh
NBA Legend
Posts: 2956
(7/26/02 2:40 pm)
Reply Re: hmm
He is not the most athletic, but he is a much better passer, rebounder, and shooter then those guys were. He has good size and pretty good athletic abilty even if it isn't top notch. He might not be a highlight reel, but neither are Paul Pierce or Tim Duncan.


Return of God of BBALL
NBA Legend
Posts: 3116
(7/26/02 2:40 pm)
Reply
Re: hmm
Funny kid has another year of HIGH SCHOOL

Forget him not even getting drafted and lacing them up in the NBA yet. He has 1 more year left. Funny how the media can pump you up to be a GOD and in the same story tear you down to be SH!T. The power they have is amazing because the only reason he is getting this much hype if because of them. Goes for alot players but its funny to see how much influence they have on how good an athelte is thru the public.

I never seen this kid play at all. Yet media pumped him up so much its like I can front and defend him saying he will be a superstar in the NBA.



MMKM
College Hoops Star
Posts: 336
(10/26/02 9:56 pm)
Reply Re: Will Lebron James be a bust...
I think he'll be a bust. All the guys that get hyped that early never live up to their expectations. Remember Schea Cotton?


DaHeezy
College Hoops 6th man
Posts: 186
(11/1/02 5:36 pm)
Reply He ain't a bust...
But ain't no super star either...
Why can't we all just wait and see.
Member Ronnie Feilds?


Da KO King
High School Varsity Star
Posts: 80
(2/19/03 2:43 pm)
Reply Re: hmm
He will be a superstar the same way Darius Miles is a superstar. He will dunk on someone and people will say that makes him good.



TheKingOfVa
Strong playground player
Posts: 40
(9/10/03 12:00 pm)
Reply Re: lebron
he will be iight not a 30pts 6 ast 6 reb guy like Kobe and T-mac now. He will be a bust as the number 1 probably but end up to be a decent 14 pts 3 ast 7 reb Lamar Odom type guy. This is just my guess.






How I wish I could find the topics on him in the summer league. I was arguing with people who were calling me out for saying he would do between 11/5/5 and 15/6/6 as a rookie. People I still see on here today....were telling me hes out of the NBA in 3 years.

Everyone posting clips of Bill Walton saying that he could start on all 30 teams as a rookie. I remember one on Eddy Curry saying Lebron was gonna be great and people just...going to town.

But now....14 years later...he was so certain to be great that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, and 3 hall of fame careers in one with years to go....is not only a letdown...its embarrassing to some.

Nobody....nobody in the history of sports...has ever been so great...that a career this outstanding with this much room to grow is a valid letdown.

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

Of course not. Circumstances are different....careers are different. He could realistically have zero rings or 4 right now without being any better or worse.

Anyone telling you they honestly thought Lebron would or should be BETTER at basketball than he is...I simply dont believe you. He doesnt have enough room to improve. Its pretty much saying....you heard someone say he would be Michael Magic and Bird all rolled in one....so he should be the best player who ever played a team sport. You have to reach so far....be so unreasonable...and in most cases be so full of shit it boggles the mind....if you are telling me he should not only be better...but SO much better that hes a letdown.

In all likelyhood...its probably just some of you forgetting what you really thought he would be.

Because if you thought he would be as great as he is...you were in the minority.

Even the people talking about him as a savior...if you said "Yea but will he win back to back while making 5 straight finals and winning 4 MVPs" they would have hesitated. His career has been too great to predict. If I knew the next Jordan were coming....I couldnt easily predict that great of a career with a few years to go.

One thing is for sure....you come on ISH back when predictions were being made...predicting he would be what he is....you get laughed off the place and maybe banned for trolling.

But now? Eeeeeevery body knew. We were all so sure....

As I said earlier...long as you are willing to modify expectations upward no matter what...you can always hate. And his haters are too dedicated. Lebron would need a rocket launched from the top of Mt.Olympus to clear the hurdles some of you set. Hell even if he did you would move the bar to the astral plane to keep it forever out of reach. People dont stop hating because haters have dug themselves too deep to 180 and start showing respect for obvious greatness.

So dudes who were saying he was gonna be a role player in 02, were saying he shouldnt be ROY in 03, that he would be a career loser in 04, that he got lucky the Pistons were washed up in 07, that he would never win after 11, that 12 doesnt count because the Thunder were young, that 27 wins in a row and a title in 13 is tainted because Ray Allen made a shot in a game Lebron totally owned to get them back into before a historic game 7, and that he didnt shoot enough in lost causes in 14 and should have "emptied the clip" and that he shot too much in lost causes in 15 apparently...emptying too much of the clip...

If we learn one thing...it isnt about Lebron. Its about the nature of humans.

Hate....does not care what you do.

Hate hates. No matter what.

[Lebron23]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.

All Lebron has done is make it obvious how much nonsense was likely talked about virtually everyone while they were still playing. You read career recaps of universally respected legends it reads like a list of Lebrons off years with a peak of a controversial MVP and a finals loss and there is nothing but glowing praise. Lebron is 31 and has a hall of fame career 3 times over getting hated on not for never winning...not for only winning once...but for not having more than two rings already.

Talking about hype as if hes been a letdown. Nothing but evolving standards to raise the bar ever out of reach. I was on here when Lebron was in the 10th grade. Not ONE poster was saying he would be anything near what hes become. This was ISH on Lebron James...in 2002:










How I wish I could find the topics on him in the summer league. I was arguing with people who were calling me out for saying he would do between 11/5/5 and 15/6/6 as a rookie. People I still see on here today....were telling me hes out of the NBA in 3 years.

Everyone posting clips of Bill Walton saying that he could start on all 30 teams as a rookie. I remember one on Eddy Curry saying Lebron was gonna be great and people just...going to town.

But now....14 years later...he was so certain to be great that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, and 3 hall of fame careers in one with years to go....is not only a letdown...its embarrassing to some.

Nobody....nobody in the history of sports...has ever been so great...that a career this outstanding with this much room to grow is a valid letdown.

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

Of course not. Circumstances are different....careers are different. He could realistically have zero rings or 4 right now without being any better or worse.

Anyone telling you they honestly thought Lebron would or should be BETTER at basketball than he is...I simply dont believe you. He doesnt have enough room to improve. Its pretty much saying....you heard someone say he would be Michael Magic and Bird all rolled in one....so he should be the best player who ever played a team sport. You have to reach so far....be some unreasonable...and in most cases be so full of shit it boggles the mind....if you are telling me he should not only be better...but SO much better that hes a letdown.

In all likelyhood...its probably just some of you forgetting what you really thought he would be.

Because if you thought he would be as great as he is...you were in the minority.

Even the people talking about him as a savior...if you said "Yea but will he win back to back while making 5 straight finals and winning 4 MVPs" they would have hesitated. His career has been too great to predict. If I knew the next Jordan were coming....I couldnt easily predict that great of a career with a few years to go.

One thing is for sure....you come on ISH back when predictions were being made...predicting he would be what he is....you get laughed off the place and maybe banned for trolling.

But now? Eeeeeevery body knew. We were all so sure....

As I said earlier...long as you are willing to modify expectations upward no matter what...you can always hate. And his haters are too dedicated. Lebron would need a rocket launched from the top of Mt.Olympus to clear the hurdles some of you set. Hell even if he did you would move the bar to the astral plane to keep it forever out of reach. People dont stop hating because haters have dug themselves too deep to 180 and start showing respect for obvious greatness.

So dudes who were saying he was gonna be a role player in 02, were saying he shouldnt be ROY in 03, that he would be a career loser in 04, that he got lucky the Pistons were washed up in 07, that he would never win after 11, that 12 doesnt count because the Thunder were young, that 27 wins in a row and a title in 13 is tainted because Ray Allen made a shot in a game Lebron totally owned to get them back into before a historic game 7, and that he didnt shoot enough in lost causes in 14 and should have "emptied the clip" and that he shot too much in lost causes in 15 apparently...emptying too much of the clip...

If we learn one thing...it isnt about Lebron. Its about the nature of humans.

Hate....does not care what you do.

Hate hates. No matter what.


haters gonna hate

[Chadwin]

You just realized now he can't phuck with Jordan?

That ship sailed LONG ago.

I still don't think he's greater than Bird either, but its open for debate I'll admit. :confusedshrug:

When was the moment that ship sailed?

[Showtime2001]

When was the moment that ship sailed?
http://vinceantonucci.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lebron-decision.jpg

[Chadwin]

http://vinceantonucci.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lebron-decision.jpg

imo after the destruction by the Spurs in 2014

[SouBeachTalents]

imo after the destruction by the Spurs in 2014

2011 Finals

[Overdrive]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.

All Lebron has done is make it obvious how much nonsense was likely talked about virtually everyone while they were still playing. You read career recaps of universally respected legends it reads like a list of Lebrons off years with a peak of a controversial MVP and a finals loss and there is nothing but glowing praise. Lebron is 31 and has a hall of fame career 3 times over getting hated on not for never winning...not for only winning once...but for not having more than two rings already.

Talking about hype as if hes been a letdown. Nothing but evolving standards to raise the bar ever out of reach. I was on here when Lebron was in the 10th grade. Not ONE poster was saying he would be anything near what hes become. This was ISH on Lebron James...in 2002:

How I wish I could find the topics on him in the summer league. I was arguing with people who were calling me out for saying he would do between 11/5/5 and 15/6/6 as a rookie. People I still see on here today....were telling me hes out of the NBA in 3 years.

Everyone posting clips of Bill Walton saying that he could start on all 30 teams as a rookie. I remember one on Eddy Curry saying Lebron was gonna be great and people just...going to town.

But now....14 years later...he was so certain to be great that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, and 3 hall of fame careers in one with years to go....is not only a letdown...its embarrassing to some.

Nobody....nobody in the history of sports...has ever been so great...that a career this outstanding with this much room to grow is a valid letdown.

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

Of course not. Circumstances are different....careers are different. He could realistically have zero rings or 4 right now without being any better or worse.

Anyone telling you they honestly thought Lebron would or should be BETTER at basketball than he is...I simply dont believe you. He doesnt have enough room to improve. Its pretty much saying....you heard someone say he would be Michael Magic and Bird all rolled in one....so he should be the best player who ever played a team sport. You have to reach so far....be so unreasonable...and in most cases be so full of shit it boggles the mind....if you are telling me he should not only be better...but SO much better that hes a letdown.

In all likelyhood...its probably just some of you forgetting what you really thought he would be.

Because if you thought he would be as great as he is...you were in the minority.

Even the people talking about him as a savior...if you said "Yea but will he win back to back while making 5 straight finals and winning 4 MVPs" they would have hesitated. His career has been too great to predict. If I knew the next Jordan were coming....I couldnt easily predict that great of a career with a few years to go.

One thing is for sure....you come on ISH back when predictions were being made...predicting he would be what he is....you get laughed off the place and maybe banned for trolling.

But now? Eeeeeevery body knew. We were all so sure....

As I said earlier...long as you are willing to modify expectations upward no matter what...you can always hate. And his haters are too dedicated. Lebron would need a rocket launched from the top of Mt.Olympus to clear the hurdles some of you set. Hell even if he did you would move the bar to the astral plane to keep it forever out of reach. People dont stop hating because haters have dug themselves too deep to 180 and start showing respect for obvious greatness.

So dudes who were saying he was gonna be a role player in 02, were saying he shouldnt be ROY in 03, that he would be a career loser in 04, that he got lucky the Pistons were washed up in 07, that he would never win after 11, that 12 doesnt count because the Thunder were young, that 27 wins in a row and a title in 13 is tainted because Ray Allen made a shot in a game Lebron totally owned to get them back into before a historic game 7, and that he didnt shoot enough in lost causes in 14 and should have "emptied the clip" and that he shot too much in lost causes in 15 apparently...emptying too much of the clip...

If we learn one thing...it isnt about Lebron. Its about the nature of humans.

Hate....does not care what you do.

Hate hates. No matter what.

I'm no hater of Lebron. I don't like his game and his off court antics aren't my cup of tea, but he's a great player and one of only a handful of players of his magnitude.

What I don't like is the unquestioned hero worship and it's not only about Lebron. It's about any player that has been the best in the game. They always attract fans, stans and haters. I despised the aura around Jordan, I didn't like the Kobe hype and surely not the one surrounding Lebron.

I just don't like that everybody jumps on the hypetrain and acts all cool, because their favourite player is the greatest. That's no accomplishment it's just projecting. The only player I like that had a chip before I started watching was Olajuwon and I couldn't care less if he had none. I liked his game and that's what matters to me.

The cult surrounding the afforementioned 3 guys is just crazy and some people here and IRL will (verbally) attack people, just because they don't like the player they like.

Also alot of these guys have a scheme, some jumped from Jordan to Lebron or from Jordan to Kobe; the common denominator I think is that they get approval by their favourite player's accomplishments, that's why they also go places defending him no matter what and those afforementioned players give them the highest chance of said approval.

The thing about Lebron especially was that he was touted as the next GOAT before he stepped in the league and the - to totally overuse the word - hype was on Jordan level. For me that's just annoying.

Grown ass man acting like girls going to a Backstreet Boys concert, just because of an athelete.

[sdot_thadon]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.

All Lebron has done is make it obvious how much nonsense was likely talked about virtually everyone while they were still playing. You read career recaps of universally respected legends it reads like a list of Lebrons off years with a peak of a controversial MVP and a finals loss and there is nothing but glowing praise. Lebron is 31 and has a hall of fame career 3 times over getting hated on not for never winning...not for only winning once...but for not having more than two rings already.

Talking about hype as if hes been a letdown. Nothing but evolving standards to raise the bar ever out of reach. I was on here when Lebron was in the 10th grade. Not ONE poster was saying he would be anything near what hes become. This was ISH on Lebron James...in 2002:










How I wish I could find the topics on him in the summer league. I was arguing with people who were calling me out for saying he would do between 11/5/5 and 15/6/6 as a rookie. People I still see on here today....were telling me hes out of the NBA in 3 years.

Everyone posting clips of Bill Walton saying that he could start on all 30 teams as a rookie. I remember one on Eddy Curry saying Lebron was gonna be great and people just...going to town.

But now....14 years later...he was so certain to be great that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, and 3 hall of fame careers in one with years to go....is not only a letdown...its embarrassing to some.

Nobody....nobody in the history of sports...has ever been so great...that a career this outstanding with this much room to grow is a valid letdown.

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

Of course not. Circumstances are different....careers are different. He could realistically have zero rings or 4 right now without being any better or worse.

Anyone telling you they honestly thought Lebron would or should be BETTER at basketball than he is...I simply dont believe you. He doesnt have enough room to improve. Its pretty much saying....you heard someone say he would be Michael Magic and Bird all rolled in one....so he should be the best player who ever played a team sport. You have to reach so far....be so unreasonable...and in most cases be so full of shit it boggles the mind....if you are telling me he should not only be better...but SO much better that hes a letdown.

In all likelyhood...its probably just some of you forgetting what you really thought he would be.

Because if you thought he would be as great as he is...you were in the minority.

Even the people talking about him as a savior...if you said "Yea but will he win back to back while making 5 straight finals and winning 4 MVPs" they would have hesitated. His career has been too great to predict. If I knew the next Jordan were coming....I couldnt easily predict that great of a career with a few years to go.

One thing is for sure....you come on ISH back when predictions were being made...predicting he would be what he is....you get laughed off the place and maybe banned for trolling.

But now? Eeeeeevery body knew. We were all so sure....

As I said earlier...long as you are willing to modify expectations upward no matter what...you can always hate. And his haters are too dedicated. Lebron would need a rocket launched from the top of Mt.Olympus to clear the hurdles some of you set. Hell even if he did you would move the bar to the astral plane to keep it forever out of reach. People dont stop hating because haters have dug themselves too deep to 180 and start showing respect for obvious greatness.

So dudes who were saying he was gonna be a role player in 02, were saying he shouldnt be ROY in 03, that he would be a career loser in 04, that he got lucky the Pistons were washed up in 07, that he would never win after 11, that 12 doesnt count because the Thunder were young, that 27 wins in a row and a title in 13 is tainted because Ray Allen made a shot in a game Lebron totally owned to get them back into before a historic game 7, and that he didnt shoot enough in lost causes in 14 and should have "emptied the clip" and that he shot too much in lost causes in 15 apparently...emptying too much of the clip...

If we learn one thing...it isnt about Lebron. Its about the nature of humans.

Hate....does not care what you do.

Hate hates. No matter what.:applause:
One of the few rational human beings on this board. Beautiful post. I've asked the 2 for whatever crowd plenty of times if they realize what they were actually expecting him to accomplish. His standards set by haters are above anything I've ever seen, I suppose previous greats benefit from their careers happening before this moronic thought era.

[raprap]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.

All Lebron has done is make it obvious how much nonsense was likely talked about virtually everyone while they were still playing. You read career recaps of universally respected legends it reads like a list of Lebrons off years with a peak of a controversial MVP and a finals loss and there is nothing but glowing praise. Lebron is 31 and has a hall of fame career 3 times over getting hated on not for never winning...not for only winning once...but for not having more than two rings already.

Talking about hype as if hes been a letdown. Nothing but evolving standards to raise the bar ever out of reach. I was on here when Lebron was in the 10th grade. Not ONE poster was saying he would be anything near what hes become. This was ISH on Lebron James...in 2002:










How I wish I could find the topics on him in the summer league. I was arguing with people who were calling me out for saying he would do between 11/5/5 and 15/6/6 as a rookie. People I still see on here today....were telling me hes out of the NBA in 3 years.

Everyone posting clips of Bill Walton saying that he could start on all 30 teams as a rookie. I remember one on Eddy Curry saying Lebron was gonna be great and people just...going to town.

But now....14 years later...he was so certain to be great that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, and 3 hall of fame careers in one with years to go....is not only a letdown...its embarrassing to some.

Nobody....nobody in the history of sports...has ever been so great...that a career this outstanding with this much room to grow is a valid letdown.

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

Of course not. Circumstances are different....careers are different. He could realistically have zero rings or 4 right now without being any better or worse.

Anyone telling you they honestly thought Lebron would or should be BETTER at basketball than he is...I simply dont believe you. He doesnt have enough room to improve. Its pretty much saying....you heard someone say he would be Michael Magic and Bird all rolled in one....so he should be the best player who ever played a team sport. You have to reach so far....be so unreasonable...and in most cases be so full of shit it boggles the mind....if you are telling me he should not only be better...but SO much better that hes a letdown.

In all likelyhood...its probably just some of you forgetting what you really thought he would be.

Because if you thought he would be as great as he is...you were in the minority.

Even the people talking about him as a savior...if you said "Yea but will he win back to back while making 5 straight finals and winning 4 MVPs" they would have hesitated. His career has been too great to predict. If I knew the next Jordan were coming....I couldnt easily predict that great of a career with a few years to go.

One thing is for sure....you come on ISH back when predictions were being made...predicting he would be what he is....you get laughed off the place and maybe banned for trolling.

But now? Eeeeeevery body knew. We were all so sure....

As I said earlier...long as you are willing to modify expectations upward no matter what...you can always hate. And his haters are too dedicated. Lebron would need a rocket launched from the top of Mt.Olympus to clear the hurdles some of you set. Hell even if he did you would move the bar to the astral plane to keep it forever out of reach. People dont stop hating because haters have dug themselves too deep to 180 and start showing respect for obvious greatness.

So dudes who were saying he was gonna be a role player in 02, were saying he shouldnt be ROY in 03, that he would be a career loser in 04, that he got lucky the Pistons were washed up in 07, that he would never win after 11, that 12 doesnt count because the Thunder were young, that 27 wins in a row and a title in 13 is tainted because Ray Allen made a shot in a game Lebron totally owned to get them back into before a historic game 7, and that he didnt shoot enough in lost causes in 14 and should have "emptied the clip" and that he shot too much in lost causes in 15 apparently...emptying too much of the clip...

If we learn one thing...it isnt about Lebron. Its about the nature of humans.

Hate....does not care what you do.

Hate hates. No matter what.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[JT123]

Kobetards avoiding Kblaze's post like the plague :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm no hater of Lebron. I don't like his game and his off court antics aren't my cup of tea, but he's a great player and one of only a handful of players of his magnitude.

What I don't like is the unquestioned hero worship and it's not only about Lebron. It's about any player that has been the best in the game. They always attract fans, stans and haters. I despised the aura around Jordan, I didn't like the Kobe hype and surely not the one surrounding Lebron.

I just don't like that everybody jumps on the hypetrain and acts all cool, because their favourite player is the greatest. That's no accomplishment it's just projecting. The only player I like that had a chip before I started watching was Olajuwon and I couldn't care less if he had none. I liked his game and that's what matters to me.

The cult surrounding the afforementioned 3 guys is just crazy and some people here and IRL will (verbally) attack people, just because they don't like the player they like.

Also alot of these guys have a scheme, some jumped from Jordan to Lebron or from Jordan to Kobe; the common denominator I think is that they get approval by their favourite player's accomplishments, that's why they also go places defending him no matter what and those afforementioned players give them the highest chance of said approval.

The thing about Lebron especially was that he was touted as the next GOAT before he stepped in the league and the - to totally overuse the word - hype was on Jordan level. For me that's just annoying.

Grown ass man acting like girls going to a Backstreet Boys concert, just because of an athelete.

Very well said.

There's literally no shame in being a worse basketball player than Jordan, KAJ, and at his position, arguably Bird.

Zealots just confuse opinions with hate. Like, if you don't share the same opinion as them about their favorite player, its gotta be unadulterated hate.

Basketball is bigger than the hierarchy of individual superstars.

Relax, take a breath, and recognize some people just don't idolize and obsess over these individuals.

[GrapeApe]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.

All Lebron has done is make it obvious how much nonsense was likely talked about virtually everyone while they were still playing. You read career recaps of universally respected legends it reads like a list of Lebrons off years with a peak of a controversial MVP and a finals loss and there is nothing but glowing praise. Lebron is 31 and has a hall of fame career 3 times over getting hated on not for never winning...not for only winning once...but for not having more than two rings already.

Talking about hype as if hes been a letdown. Nothing but evolving standards to raise the bar ever out of reach. I was on here when Lebron was in the 10th grade. Not ONE poster was saying he would be anything near what hes become. This was ISH on Lebron James...in 2002:

How I wish I could find the topics on him in the summer league. I was arguing with people who were calling me out for saying he would do between 11/5/5 and 15/6/6 as a rookie. People I still see on here today....were telling me hes out of the NBA in 3 years.

Everyone posting clips of Bill Walton saying that he could start on all 30 teams as a rookie. I remember one on Eddy Curry saying Lebron was gonna be great and people just...going to town.

But now....14 years later...he was so certain to be great that 4 MVPs, 2 rings, and 3 hall of fame careers in one with years to go....is not only a letdown...its embarrassing to some.

Nobody....nobody in the history of sports...has ever been so great...that a career this outstanding with this much room to grow is a valid letdown.

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

Of course not. Circumstances are different....careers are different. He could realistically have zero rings or 4 right now without being any better or worse.

Anyone telling you they honestly thought Lebron would or should be BETTER at basketball than he is...I simply dont believe you. He doesnt have enough room to improve. Its pretty much saying....you heard someone say he would be Michael Magic and Bird all rolled in one....so he should be the best player who ever played a team sport. You have to reach so far....be so unreasonable...and in most cases be so full of shit it boggles the mind....if you are telling me he should not only be better...but SO much better that hes a letdown.

In all likelyhood...its probably just some of you forgetting what you really thought he would be.

Because if you thought he would be as great as he is...you were in the minority.

Even the people talking about him as a savior...if you said "Yea but will he win back to back while making 5 straight finals and winning 4 MVPs" they would have hesitated. His career has been too great to predict. If I knew the next Jordan were coming....I couldnt easily predict that great of a career with a few years to go.

One thing is for sure....you come on ISH back when predictions were being made...predicting he would be what he is....you get laughed off the place and maybe banned for trolling.

But now? Eeeeeevery body knew. We were all so sure....

As I said earlier...long as you are willing to modify expectations upward no matter what...you can always hate. And his haters are too dedicated. Lebron would need a rocket launched from the top of Mt.Olympus to clear the hurdles some of you set. Hell even if he did you would move the bar to the astral plane to keep it forever out of reach. People dont stop hating because haters have dug themselves too deep to 180 and start showing respect for obvious greatness.

So dudes who were saying he was gonna be a role player in 02, were saying he shouldnt be ROY in 03, that he would be a career loser in 04, that he got lucky the Pistons were washed up in 07, that he would never win after 11, that 12 doesnt count because the Thunder were young, that 27 wins in a row and a title in 13 is tainted because Ray Allen made a shot in a game Lebron totally owned to get them back into before a historic game 7, and that he didnt shoot enough in lost causes in 14 and should have "emptied the clip" and that he shot too much in lost causes in 15 apparently...emptying too much of the clip...

If we learn one thing...it isnt about Lebron. Its about the nature of humans.

Hate....does not care what you do.

Hate hates. No matter what.

Some of those predictions are pretty hilarious. 14/7/3 Lamar Odom type. I don't recall anyone saying he'd be out of the league in 3 years, that seems like hyperbole, but I do remember he had his share of doubters. That being said, he had FAR more people who touted him as the real deal. What's amazing about Lebron is he was even better than advertised. In many ways he has lived up to or even exceeded the hype, which I honestly thought wasn't remotely possible.

I think a lot of the hate he received back then (and still today) relates to that hype, which was arguably unparalleled. We generally don't like things being shoved down our throats. Be it athletes, entertainers, politicians, etc..., we don't like constantly being told how great someone is. People also tend to have an almost ingrained dislike and distrust of the media. This compounds the issue. In the eyes of many, the media love-fest of Lebron had grown tiresome before he even entered the NBA. A similar media-perpetuated backlash happened with Jordan. A lot of people on this board may be too young to remember, but Jordan had a lot of haters. He wasn't this universally loved figure that he's often portrayed as today. Part of it was simply greatness bringing out hate (true of Lebron), but in many ways we just got sick and tired of hearing about him (also true of Lebron).

I also 100% agree with your point about how winning changes perception more than it probably should (your 2011 finals example). You alluded to the fact that Lebron would be the same exact same player had the Heat won in 2011. A lot is made about what that did to Lebron's legacy, but look at Wade. If the Heat win that series, Wade has 2 FMVP's and is a consensus top 15 player. Is Wade any less a player because the Heat fell short? In reality no, but our perception of him would be different had the Heat won. I'm in no way downplaying the significance of winning, but we as fans need to keep things in perspective.

Excellent post btw. Very well thought out and articulated.

[eliteballer]

Really...if Wade hits the 3 vs the Mavs in 11....they win the first 3 games. Likely the title. Is Lebron...better at basketball? Curry gets hurt instead of Kyrie and they win last year...this guy somehow better?

..and if LeBron didn't play absolutely horrid in those 2011 Finals there would be no need to even discuss Wade hitting a 3.

If LeBron were remotely as good as his fanboys try to say he is...he would have won 4 rings in Miami. Period.

Instead he got beat twice by a old teams led by guys well out of their primes.

I mean what Hakeem did in 94 and 95 is a million times more impressive.

94 leading a bunch of roleplayers to the title through a slaughterhouse Westen Conference.

95 beating essentially 4 60 win teams as what a 6th, 7th seed.

While dominating BOTH ends completely. Outplaying 3 all time greats at his position in Shaq, DRob, Ewing.

Yet Lebron is held in higher regard despite his ineptitude in Miami.

[SouBeachTalents]

..and if LeBron didn't play absolutely horrid in those 2011 Finals there would be no need to even discuss Wade hitting a 3.

If LeBron were remotely as good as his fanboys try to say he is...he would have won 4 rings in Miami. Period.

Instead he got beat twice by a old teams led by guys well out of their primes.

I mean what Hakeem did in 94 and 95 is a million times more impressive.

94 leading a bunch of roleplayers to the title through a slaughterhouse Westen Conference.

95 beating essentially 4 60 win teams as what a 6th, 7th seed.

While dominating BOTH ends completely. Outplaying 3 all time greats at his position in Shaq, DRob, Ewing.

Yet Lebron is held in higher regard despite his ineptitude in Miami.

No disagreements about 2011, but the Heat were so overmatched against the Spurs in 2014 there wasn't much more LeBron could have done. Dude averaged 28 ppg and they still got annihilated

[Spurs m8]

4x NBA MVP, and 2x Finals MVP at the age of 31

I also like the Cavaliers chances this year whenever LeBron plays great basketball. They are capable of winning. Irving and Love just needs to cooperate with him.

only a biased ****ing idiot thinks the cavs can win it.

stop walking around all day like some **** with his dick hanging out....cavs are shit...

[eliteballer]

..and if LeBron didn't play absolutely horrid in those 2011 Finals there would be no need to even discuss Wade hitting a 3.

If LeBron were remotely as good as his fanboys try to say he is...he would have won 4 rings in Miami. Period.

Instead he got beat twice by a old teams led by guys well out of their primes.

I mean what Hakeem did in 94 and 95 is a million times more impressive.

94 leading a bunch of roleplayers to the title through a slaughterhouse Westen Conference.

95 beating essentially 4 60 win teams as what a 6th, 7th seed.

While dominating BOTH ends completely. Outplaying 3 all time greats at his position in Shaq, DRob, Ewing.

Yet Lebron is held in higher regard despite his ineptitude in Miami.

I forgot to mention, LeBron also gave up two consecutive Finals MVP's to the opposing players at his position, and those guys weren't exactly stars.

[eliteballer]

No disagreements about 2011, but the Heat were so overmatched against the Spurs in 2014 there wasn't much more LeBron could have done. Dude averaged 28 ppg and they still got annihilated

28 hollow ppg. a lot of it coming in garbage time.

[IllegalD]

Cause you are the one and only Simon.


Why did you completely ignore/deflect my post where I exposed you for being a lying little b*tch?

So which one is it? Did you go to lawschool for 1 year or 2 years? Are you a baller who's in the hardware business or some lowly scumbag who sells calamari out of his bicycle basket?

For all the sh*t talking you do on this board and all the "calling out" you do of other posters it's funny how quickly you tuck your d*ck between your legs (if it can even reach) and go radio silent the moment someone exposes you for the compulsive liar you are.

Hold this L (for Louie)

:hammertime: :yaohappy:

[bdreason]

Lebron is the OG Millennial Superstar. Raised in the onslaught of the internet and social media. His HS games were being broadcast on ESPN, and people were calling him The King before he played an NBA game. This guy has had more pressure on his shoulders, throughout his career, than maybe any pro athlete in the history of sports. I'm not trying to make excuses, but can you imagine?

With 2 Titles and 4 MVP's I'd say he's answered the bell. He's not a flawless player, and he's certainly not Michael Jordan, but he's still one of the greatest to ever play the game. I'm not even a LeBron fan, but I'd say the opinion that his career is somehow embarrassing... is embarrassing.

[SouBeachTalents]

28 hollow ppg. a lot of it coming in garbage time.

That's actually a big myth on this site. Only his scoring output in Game 4 could be considered "garbage time" scoring. In Game 3 he had 14 in the 1st quarter and they were already down 16 points. He had 17 in the 1st quarter in Game 5 as well. Even when he scored 19 in the 3rd quarter of Game 4 the Spurs STILL outscored the Heat 26-21 that quarter. I wouldn't even disagree they were empty stats, since his output didn't have any impact on the outcome, but it wasn't a case of pure stat padding in garbage time, and it's just foolish to pin that series loss on him when his team was so badly outplayed

[90sgoat]

The thing about Lebron, he is 1) an extremely unlikeable person, a clinical narcissist, passive agressive, uneducated, unmannered, ghetto 2) extremely overhyped since before entering the league, a branded product like coca cola, shoved down our throats with the full machine of ad men and he believed his own marketing because of 1) and 3) the fact the league changed the rules to allow his crab dribble/travel and stiff arm, Lebron is easily the most ref helped player ever.

Lebron has generally made a mockery of NBA basketball turning it into a show with no real rules anymore and 4) collapsed an entire conference taking 2 franchise players away to waltz into the ECF in a historically weak conference.

Simply put, KBlaze can say what he wants, Lebron is an intensily unlikeable player on and off the court.

[Fire Colangelo]

Lebron is the OG Millennial Superstar. Raised in the onslaught of the internet and social media. His HS games were being broadcast on ESPN, and people were calling him The King before he played an NBA game. This guy has had more pressure on his shoulders, throughout his career, than maybe any pro athlete in the history of sports. I'm not trying to make excuses, but can you imagine?

With 2 Titles and 4 MVP's I'd say he's answered the bell. He's not a flawless player, and he's certainly not Michael Jordan, but he's still one of the greatest to ever play the game. I'm not even a LeBron fan, but I'd say the opinion that his career is somehow embarrassing... is embarrassing.

Well said.

People here just throwing hurdle after hurdle on this guy.... I'd love to live an "embarrassing" life... if that's what embarrassment was.

[raprap]

:roll:

[scandisk_]

Louie John Buluran got absolutely destroyed in this thread :roll:

:lol :lol :lol :lol

bodybagged

take this L Krilyn

:roll:

[Chadwin]

:applause:
One of the few rational human beings on this board. Beautiful post. I've asked the 2 for whatever crowd plenty of times if they realize what they were actually expecting him to accomplish. His standards set by haters are above anything I've ever seen, I suppose previous greats benefit from their careers happening before this moronic thought era.

Those standards were set by him, which fuels the haters.

"I want to be the best of all time"
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8556320/lebron-james-miami-heat-says-goal-the-best-all-time

[choppermagic]

Lebron is the OG Millennial Superstar. Raised in the onslaught of the internet and social media. His HS games were being broadcast on ESPN, and people were calling him The King before he played an NBA game. This guy has had more pressure on his shoulders, throughout his career, than maybe any pro athlete in the history of sports. I'm not trying to make excuses, but can you imagine?

.

I disagree. ESPN and the media have been making excuses for him all along. If his teams fail, its the coaches or his teammates fault. Every year, the discussion is how much more talent can be put around Lebron so he can "realize" his talents and win? He gets videos confiscated by Nike on his behalf. Articles on ESPN squashed that are unfavorable. He can flop and foul at will wihtout getting called for the majority of his career. This guy was deemed the golden child and was treated like it until curry stole his spot.

Pressure? More like a red carpet.

[tpols]

I'm not even a LeBron fan, but I'd say the opinion that his career is somehow embarrassing... is embarrassing.


op was sayin relative to bird and jordan.. that bron would get clowned, and, unfortunately, he would, because he doesnt have the mental fortitude they did. compared to the general nba population obviously bron is one of the best all time, his arc just looked much better 6-7 years ago then it turned out

[Bankaii]

op was sayin relative to bird and jordan.. that bron would get clowned, and, unfortunately, he would, because he doesnt have the mental fortitude they did. compared to the general nba population obviously bron is one of the best all time, his arc just looked much better 6-7 years ago then it turned out
What a dumb statement.
Lebrons career is just as good as Bird's. To say otherwise is pure trolling.
As a player Lebron has already surpassed Bird.

Would you say Kobe's career is embarrassing compared to Larry Birds? Yes or no.

[tpols]

What a dumb statement.
Lebrons career is just as good as Bird's. To say otherwise is pure trolling.
As a player Lebron has already surpassed Bird.

Would you say Kobe's career is embarrassing compared to Larry Birds? Yes or no.

i didnt say anything specific about a career comparison.. neither did OP. Just that bron would get shriveled into a corner if he ever had to come face to face w/ larry bird or michael jordan. Kobe would be right in his element banging and trash talking with those two.

[Hoopz2332]

http://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/dti/rendered/2016/06/lebrbron_17443754_8col.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

4 MVP's & 3 FMVP's is pretty embarrassing

[3ball]

4 MVP's & 3 FMVP's is pretty embarrassing
compared to Jordan it is.

Lebron has half the rings and half the fmvps, so he must redo his entire career to match Jordan's playoff accomplishments.

[Terahite]

compared to Jordan it is.

Lebron has half the rings and half the fmvps, so he must redo his entire career to match Jordan's playoff accomplishments.

meltdown

lebron is only 31

[KingPush]

OP, you are no longer allowed to root for Bron again

[Tmuston Beltics]

OP, you are no longer allowed to root for Bron again

:roll: What a G

[HurricaneKid]

Quality bump. OP stans a guy that got traded for the lesser Lopez brother while LeBron goes HAM.

Even at his very best, Rose got devoured by LeBron.

[Rocketswin2013]

It doesnt matter what he does. The same people are gonna hate anyway. His haters were claiming he would never win....I told them they would hate even if he did. He won back to back...exact same haters making the same points as if nothing happened. If 2 rings dont matter...3 dont. Neither do 4. Kobe has 5....I was here when he had 1 as a sidekick...he had as many haters then as now. None of this shit really matters.

Haters are gonna make the same points and downplay everything because hate is not an issue of results. Its emotionally driven.

Like some of these slack jawed morons are gonna shape up and act like someone with 3 rings, 3 finals MVPs, 4 MVPS and like 11 all nba first teams is great when they can barely acknowledge someone with 2, 2, 4, and 10 is.
fantastic post. cant quote it all. too many characters.

now theyre talking about green getting suspended. :lol lebron wouldve murdered those assclowns with or without him in game 5. they were ****ing done as soon as they questioned his manhood.

[stevieming]

I am not a fan of Lebron, always thought he was a ***** for running to Miami and then running back to Cleveland for Kyrie and Wiggins, and then Wiggins traded Love.

However the man is an amazing baller, even with his unreliable scoring and stiff arm routine....and at only 31 with now three chips to his name, his team is set to challenge easily another 3 years......

If he gets 6 (3 for 3!), watch out MJ!

To all the Kobe fans -he surpassed Kobe years ago....

[bond10]

I am not a fan of Lebron, always thought he was a ***** for running to Miami and then running back to Cleveland for Kyrie and Wiggins, and then Wiggins traded Love.

However the man is an amazing baller, even with his unreliable scoring and stiff arm routine....and at only 31 with now three chips to his name, his team is set to challenge easily another 3 years......

If he gets 6 (3 for 3!), watch out MJ!

To all the Kobe fans -he surpassed Kobe years ago....

Lol calm down. I don't even like Kobe but Lebron in no way surpassed him before this championship.

[And1AllDay]

Hes a ****ing clown and his fans need to accept he just cant lead a freaking team

For the 3RD YEAR IN A ROW 4TH TIME OVERALL IN HIS CAREER HIS FANS WILL USE THE HE HAD NO HELP EXCUSE :facepalm At some point you have to realize this isnt a coincidence, its just the offense Lebron runs IS EASILY FIGURED OUT IN THE POST SEASON OVER A SERIES. He gets it done in the regular season but refuses to change his style in the playoffs

In 2011 he lost with the STATISTICALLY the most stacked losing finals teams of all time but yet he gets excuses for having no help in other years

Dont forget all of his finals losses have come from brutal beatdowns. Losing 3 in a row 3 times and getting swept. I would have respect for him if he lost close series or lost a few game 7s but we are talking about ASS BEATING LOSSES IN EVERY ONE OF HIS FINALS SERIES LOST.

yikes

posted this right before the 2016 finals :lebronamazed:

[3ball]

yikes

posted this right before the 2016 finals :lebronamazed:


To be fair, if everyone knew beforehand that MVP Curry wouldn't exist and Kyrie would destroy him, no one would've expected the Warriors to win

It's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's star, so Lebron deserves blame for needing 7 games - he only needed 7 because he wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's)

Ultimately, Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars in 15', while Love/Kyrie were all-star MVP in 14'... So only the Cavs were a super-team, and they never beat a super-team.