Do we have any Hilary Supporter here?

[Duderonomy]

I've heard from Bernie and Trump supporters. I'm curious what her selling points are from a supporter? Beside picking the lesser of two evils.

[fiddy]

I've heard from Bernie and Trump supporters. I'm curious what her selling points are from a supporter? Beside picking the lesser of two evils.
Big Shillary supporter, here. More corporate corruption and betrayal of U.S. citizens is guaranteed.

[FrobeShaw]

Big Shillary supporter, here. More corporate corruption and betrayal of U.S. citizens is guaranteed.
You still exist?

[CP3PO]

I've heard from Bernie and Trump supporters. I'm curious what her selling points are from a supporter? Beside picking the lesser of two evils.
I think it is mostly people who want a woman, people who know her by name and liked Bill, and people who are convinced she is more likely to win verse the GOP candidate.

[fiddy]

You still exist?
Yup. You learned how to use the toilet yet?

[rufuspaul]

Queen Hillary has been pre-ordained. Thus it is written, thus it shall be.

[~primetime~]

I definitely wouldn't call myself a "supporter" but she will get my vote and the selling points for me personally are:

1. All of the other candidates are a joke

2. I dig her college tuition plan (http://time.com/money/3990445/hillary-clinton-college-plan/) (her actually doing it is another story though)

3. She is married to Bill who is GOAT in my life time. Spending 8 years with him in the White House is a certified PHD in being a Pres. She knows the ins and outs, and you can't convince me he won't have influence on her.

[navy]

I got money on Hilary winning if that counts.

[FillJackson]

I've heard from Bernie and Trump supporters. I'm curious what her selling points are from a supporter? Beside picking the lesser of two evils.

The thing with Hillary is she is a genuinely knowledgeable policy wonk. She's not a natural political candidate like her husband. Mike Huckabee who is from Arkansas said this about her. [QUOTE] I would have great respect for the formidable nature of Hillary Clinton

[DeuceWallaces]

She's by far the most qualified, and I'll be happy to vote for her this fall. I voted for Bernie in the primary, but only because I knew she had no chance of losing the nomination, and I want him to be a power broker at the convention. She will have to incorporate more of his message into her general platform to keep the coalition afloat.

I'm not a big fan of her Hawkish tendencies, but most every politician active 1995-2005 is straddled with all the Middle East military baggage, in addition to some social policy stances that were required in order to get elected back then (i.e. gay marriage, drugs, etc.).

I think she'll have a real tough time winning a second term, but then again, GOP has nothing but clowns to prop up for the general. Maybe Marco will rise from the ashes.

[UK2K]

I think it is mostly people who want a woman, people who know her by name and liked Bill, and people who are convinced she is more likely to win verse the GOP candidate.

Nailed it.

Every Hillary voter will fall into one of those categories.

It's ironic she will get the 'woman's power' vote despite being cheated numerous times and still going back to Bill. That's only because there's nobody else to vote for where you can scream women's power, though.

[FillJackson]

I'm not a big fan of her Hawkish tendencies, but most every politician active 1995-2005 is straddled with all the Middle East military baggage, in addition to some social policy stances that were required in order to get elected back then (i.e. gay marriage, drugs, etc.).This can hardly be understated.
I don't think millennials voters understand this at all. They have come of age at time when the Democratic Party has success a good portion of the lives. It wasn't always this way, the country and certainly the Democratic party has been shifted to the left. That never would have occurred without Democratic electoral success.

For all the folks talking about a "revolution," they don't seem to care about what can be achieved via electoral politics. A very conservative state judge just won an election on Wisconsin primary day in a very close race. 15% of Sanders voters didn't vote in that race. They certainly don't turn out to vote in off year elections.

[NumberSix]

The problem with Hillary is that nobody has a clue what she actually believes. She's always on the side of whatever is polling well that day.

[DukeDelonte13]

not wild about her at all. My biggest hang up is her two-faced nature when it comes to healthcare. Sh*t changed real quick when she started getting donations for her Senate race.



In an election pitting her against either Trump or Cruz, i'd pick Hillary though.


In my opinion America's biggest domestic issue is healthcare. Sanders wants to do the right thing with it and have the U.S. join the rest of civilized society, Hill is fine with keeping the status quo, while the two other knuckleheads want to try to repeal obamacare and take two steps backwards.

[FillJackson]

In my opinion America's biggest domestic issue is healthcare. Sanders wants to do the right thing with it and have the U.S. join the rest of civilized society, Hill is fine with keeping the status quo, while the two other knuckleheads want to try to repeal obamacare and take two steps backwards.

The question is how do you get to "the right thing?" This gets back to what I was saying about presidents not being a magicians and practical politics.

In life as in politics "perfect is often the enemy of good." If you pass up something good because you're waiting for something perfect you're going to have no progress at all.

As for the status quo. The status quo of the ACA, aka Obamacare is a major achievement.

What Bernie has proposed so far is lacking in practicality and costs way more than he says it does.
http://acasignups.net/16/01/20/healthcare-i-have-side-hillary
http://acasignups.net/16/01/31/update-bernie-promising-too-much-too-quickly-hillary-not-promising-enough-ever


And once again Bernie doesn't have the details down (http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10858644/bernie-sanders-kenneth-thorpe-single-payer) or is just lying about costs.
[QUOTE]..Sanders assumes $324 billion more per year in prescription drug savings than Thorpe does. Thorpe argues that this is wildly implausible. "In 2014 private health plans paid a TOTAL of $132 billion on prescription drugs and nationally we spent $305 billion," he writes in an email. "With their savings drug spending nationally would be negative." (Emphasis mine.) The Sanders camp revised the number down to $241 billion when I pointed this out.
...When I pointed out that the yearly savings numbers they were presenting on prescription drugs were literally impossible, the Sanders camp revised the number to $241 billion

[Nick Young]

Apart from FiliJackason aka KevinNYC the payed and sponsored Hillary Clinton shill, no, we don't.

[DukeDelonte13]

The question is how do you get to "the right thing?" This gets back to what I was saying about presidents not being a magicians and practical politics.

In life as in politics "perfect is often the enemy of good." If you pass up something good because you're waiting for something perfect you're going to have no progress at all.

As for the status quo. The status quo of the ACA, aka Obamacare is a major achievement.

What Bernie has proposed so far is lacking in practicality and costs way more than he says it does.
http://acasignups.net/16/01/20/healthcare-i-have-side-hillary
http://acasignups.net/16/01/31/update-bernie-promising-too-much-too-quickly-hillary-not-promising-enough-ever


And once again Bernie doesn't have the details down (http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10858644/bernie-sanders-kenneth-thorpe-single-payer) or is just lying about costs.


i'm well aware that presidents can't wave magic wands and have giant walls, a flat tax, or a universal healthcare system poof in out of nowhere.

I agree the ACA is a huge step in the right direction, but it's still far from acceptable. Coverage is now more comprehensive, and more importantly, more stable. It still is too expensive, and the prohibitive cost of premiums for self insureds IMO is a huge factor in the genesis of new businesses.

I want the next president to push forward on the issue. Hillary turned her back on it.

[DeuceWallaces]

How has she turned her back on health care?

[DukeDelonte13]

How has she turned her back on health care?


remember hillary care back when she was first lady?

She was the head honcho of this national task force for healthcare reform.

A bunch of pharmaceutical companies and health insurance provides pooled sh*t tons of money together to run adds dumping all over the notion of health insurance reform that hill was pushing.

Fast forward to her Senate race and beyond, and those exact same groups made very generous donations to Hillary's campaign. You haven't heard anything out of her mouth about real healthcare reform. Only recently now she's starting to pay lip service to drug companies price gouging.

She sold out. She went from being a prominent figure in the fight to correct this country's biggest domestic issue to owing a significant portion of her senate races to the same groups looking to perpetuate the issue.

EDIT: here's a 2006 article that details it somewhat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html?_r=0

[UK2K]

In my opinion America's biggest domestic issue is healthcare.

You are part of the 5%. Congrats

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

[DeuceWallaces]

remember hillary care back when she was first lady?

She was the head honcho of this national task force for healthcare reform.

A bunch of pharmaceutical companies and health insurance provides pooled sh*t tons of money together to run adds dumping all over the notion of health insurance reform that hill was pushing.

Fast forward to her Senate race and beyond, and those exact same groups made very generous donations to Hillary's campaign. You haven't heard anything out of her mouth about real healthcare reform. Only recently now she's starting to pay lip service to drug companies price gouging.

She sold out. She went from being a prominent figure in the fight to correct this country's biggest domestic issue to owing a significant portion of her senate races to the same groups looking to perpetuate the issue.

EDIT: here's a 2006 article that details it somewhat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/nyregion/12donate.html?_r=0

Oh, so you obviously don't watch any of the debates, listen to stump speeches, or follow any of her policy proposals?

[longtime lurker]

We all know if you took off Hillary's name off the resume and replaced it with that of a man he'd be universally considered as far and away the best candidate. Hillary's negatives seem to be more about distaste for her personality rather than her actually qualifications.

[~primetime~]

I honestly don't even view Hillary as female...she has balls

[TheMan]

I definitely wouldn't call myself a "supporter" but she will get my vote and the selling points for me personally are:

1. All of the other candidates are a joke

2. I dig her college tuition plan (http://time.com/money/3990445/hillary-clinton-college-plan/) (her actually doing it is another story though)

3. She is married to Bill who is GOAT in my life time. Spending 8 years with him in the White House is a certified PHD in being a Pres. She knows the ins and outs, and you can't convince me he won't have influence on her.
Pretty much this.

Bill Clinton was a badass prez, Hillary cannot be that terrible with Slick Willie by her side :rockon:

My first choice is Bernie but will happily support Queen Hillary vs the GOP :applause:

[FillJackson]

I agree the ACA is a huge step in the right direction, but it's still far from acceptable.
This is a pretty good example of perfect is the opposite of good.

[FillJackson]

Oh, so you obviously don't watch any of the debates, listen to stump speeches, or follow any of her policy proposals?
Also during the debate on the ACA she was no longer in the Senate.