STATISTICAL FACT: good shooting not needed to be top scorer today

[3ball]

Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, and Butler all have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency.

But they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off perimeter defense would benefit Jordan's athleticism the same way, except he'd also have GOAT midrange efficiency, which would give him a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

Since today's wing player can't shoot but can still lead the league in scoring (like Westbrook did last year) or average 30 ppg (like Lebron in 2009), Jordan would average 40 ppg on a bad team today since he was a GOAT midrange shooter, even better than Curry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11995144&postcount=10).

[SouBeachTalents]

The meltdown continues

[Im Still Ballin]

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[Dr Seuss]

boy howdy.... ive never seen someone post sooooo many suicide notes before their big demise

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[Chadwin]

3ball is actually correct here about it being easier to get to the basket.

[VengefulAngel]

Lebron is shooting 40 percent over the last 10 games from 3. MJ's career 3 point percentage would rank in the bottom 33% of the league, fact is you've never needed to be a great shooter to be top scorer.

[3ball]

3ball is actually correct here about it being easier to get to the basket.
I'm also right that Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, and Butler have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency.

They're in the 30's for midrange and LOW 30's for 3-pointers.

Otoh, Jordan's midrange efficiency was in the HIGH 40'S - literally 15+ percentage points higher than all those guys..

So imagine Lebron or Westbrook with a GOAT midrange shooting touch - they'd average 40 ppg on bad teams easily
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[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/dzzsgE.gif


you've never needed to be a great shooter to be top scorer.


You needed good midrange efficiency to be a top scorer in previous eras (like Jordan had).. There were almost no exceptions outside of shaq

The lack of 3-point shooting resulted in so many players crowding the paint that penetration frequently wasn't an option - players were FORCED to pull-up from midrange, as the gif shows above

[CuterThanRubio]

You needed good midrange efficiency to be a top scorer in previous eras (like Jordan had).. There were almost no exceptions outside of shaq

The lack of 3-point shooting resulted in so many players crowding the paint that penetration frequently wasn't an option - players were FORCED to pull-up from midrange, as the gif shows above

Forced to shoot over a double team?

No

Jordan just had bad shot selection, where do you think Kobe got that from?

The average trash from that era was NOT capable of hitting those kind of shots on a regular basis.

The best scorer in the league right now is the best shooter, this thread fails.

[Uncle Drew]

STATISTICAL FACT: scoring not needed to be a scorer today.

[3ball]

STATISTICAL FACT: scoring not needed to be a scorer today.
Accept it - Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, and Butler have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency - they're midrange efficiency is between 30-37%.

Otoh, Jordan's midrange efficiency was in the HIGH 40'S (49.3% in 1997) - literally 15+ percentage points higher than all those guys..

So imagine Lebron or Westbrook with a GOAT midrange shooting touch - they'd average 40 ppg on bad teams easily

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/dzzsgE.gif


Jordan just had bad shot selection, where do you think Kobe got that from?



You NEVER see crowded paints like the gif above in today's game.

But in previous eras, the lack of 3-point shooting resulted in more players crowding the paint so penetration was frequently not an option.

Players were FORCED to pull-up from midrange, as the gif shows above - that's why Jordan and others were forced to have great midrange shooting to score a lot, while today's player can lay bricks (like Westbrook/Lebron) but make up for it with easier penetration.

[CuterThanRubio]

You NEVER see crowded paints like the gif above in today's game - but in previous eras, the lack of 3-point shooting resulted in so many players crowding the paint that penetration frequently wasn't an option.

Players were FORCED to pull-up from midrange, as the gif shows above

LMAO

No, he wasn't forced to take that shot, he's the worst ballhog next to AI and favored contested jumpers.

Drop a link to that game and I'll find a plethora of open looks.

Look at the gif you posted, Paxson was WIDE OPEN in the corner, why didn't Jordan pass it to him instead?

Bad shot.

Using Jordan as a barometer for how things were in that GARBAGE era does not generate accurate results!

[3ball]

a lack of reason itt by responders

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

LMAO


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/dzzsgE.gif


No, he wasn't forced to take that shot, he's the worst ballhog next to AI and favored contested jumpers.



The point is that penetration is impossible in that gif because the lack of 3-point shooting has allowed defenders to crowd the paint.

That's why players in previous eras were forced to have great midrange shooting to be top scorers, while today's player can lay bricks (like Westbrook/Lebron) but make up for it with easier penetration.

[bdreason]

If you hate modern basketball so much, then why do you watch it? And why waste hours on a forum posting trash about it?


I was raised on 90's ball, and I prefer that more physical and diverse brand of basketball... but times change. Either enjoy it, or do something else.

[CuterThanRubio]

The point is that penetration is impossible in that gif because the lack of 3-point shooting has allowed defenders to crowd the paint.

That's why players in previous eras were forced to have great midrange shooting to be top scorers, while today's player can lay bricks (like Westbrook/Lebron) but make up for it with easier penetration.


The players you listed are SUPREME athletic specimens, of course they can get to the rim with relative ease, there aren't many people in the league as fast and powerful as they are.

You carefully selected TWO players out of the top 20 scorers and expect us to believe that you are right?

Durant, Curry, Lillard, Cousins, Davis, Thompson, Melo, Butler etc, those guys are ALL great shooters.

Your logic is flawed, this thread FAILS.

Leading scorer = best shooter.

Go cry about Lebron somewhere else!

[3ball]

You carefully selected TWO players out of the top 20 scorers and expect us to believe that you are right?


Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, and Butler all have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency.

But they're still top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off perimeter defense would benefit Jordan's athleticism the same way, except he'd also have GOAT midrange efficiency, which would give him a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

Since today's wing player can't shoot but can still lead the league in scoring (like Westbrook did last year) or average 30 ppg (like Lebron in 2009), Jordan would average 40 ppg on a bad team today since he was a GOAT midrange shooter, even better than Curry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11995144&postcount=10).

[CuterThanRubio]

Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, and Butler all have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency.

But they're still top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off perimeter defense would benefit Jordan's athleticism the same way, except he'd also have GOAT midrange efficiency, which would give him a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.

Since today's wing player can't shoot but can still lead the league in scoring (like Westbrook did last year) or average 30 ppg (like Lebron in 2009), Jordan would average 40 ppg on a bad team today since he was a GOAT midrange shooter, even better than Curry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11995144&postcount=10).

You are talking last year lol

Curry = best shooter = leading scorer.

This thread fails.

MJ would be clanking threes like 20th season Kobe if he were playing now.

[3ball]

Curry = best shooter = leading scorer.


Westbrook was scoring champ last year even though is midrange efficiency was a full 15 points lower than Jordan's.

Lebron has been a top scorer his entire career despite poor midrange and 3-point efficiency... Ditto for Wade, Butler, and Derozan.

Nonetheless, all these guys are still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Btw, it's a statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11995144&postcount=10) that Jordan was a FAR better shooter than Curry inside 20 feet... So Jordan covers ALL the bases: best shooter, best athlete, best mentality.

[Cocaine80s]

Westbrook was scoring champ last year even though is midrange efficiency was a full 15 points lower than Jordan's.

Lebron has been a top scorer his entire career despite poor midrange and 3-point efficiency... Ditto for Wade, Butler, and Derozan.

Nonetheless, all these guys are still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Btw, it's a statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11995144&postcount=10) that Jordan was a FAR better shooter than Curry inside 20 feet... So Jordan covers ALL the bases: best shooter, best athlete, best mentality.
Curry is hands down a better shooter than Jordan from anywhere on the court. Please kill yourself

[3ball]

Curry is hands down a better shooter than Jordan from anywhere on the court.


Have you gone off your meds????... :biggums: :yaohappy:

Jordan was a FAR better jumpshooter than Curry inside 20 feet:



.....................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/)

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 47.9%, 71 fga <--- link to nba.com data

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga

CURRY.. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga



IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.. :hammertime: .. :djparty

[Cocaine80s]

Have you gone off your meds????... :biggums: :yaohappy:

Jordan was a FAR better jumpshooter than Curry inside 20 feet:



.....................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/)

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 47.9%, 71 fga <--- link to nba.com data

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga

CURRY.. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga



IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.. :hammertime: .. :djparty
Yea but Curry is facing much stronger defense so those stats are skewed

[CuterThanRubio]

Westbrook was scoring champ last year even though is midrange efficiency was a full 15 points lower than Jordan's.

Lebron has been a top scorer his entire career despite poor midrange and 3-point efficiency... Ditto for Wade, Butler, and Derozan.

Nonetheless, all these guys are still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Btw, it's a statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11995144&postcount=10) that Jordan was a FAR better shooter than Curry inside 20 feet... So Jordan covers ALL the bases: best shooter, best athlete, best mentality.

Last year!

Things have changed drastically since then.


Curry revolutionized the game in a single season! How amazing is that?!

Jordan has never had that kind of impact on the sport, it took six titles before fanboys like you started spouting off.

Let us not forget how quickly he was forgotten when he decided to retire the first time.

You don't even watch the games these days, the Warriors are the best defensive team in the league, they play physical and fast, Jordan would NOT be getting open midrange looks against them.

This entire argument is so dumb to begin with, how are you going to stan so hard for a 20 year old team that you didn't even see play until the postseason?

If you don't live in Illinois you have no credibility because you weren't even able to see the majority of Bulls games pre-internet.

You are a JOKE and a very good troll, I'll give you credit for that at least.

[SexSymbol]

It wasn't needed even back in the day.
Magic was never a good shooter, MJ struggled from 3, Kidd didn't have a jumper for many years, wilt was horrible from mid range.
Pick any era you like, you see good scorers without jump shots. There's more than one way to score the basketball.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Drexler couldnt shoot yet he averaged 25PPG from 88-92:lol :lol :lol