So I was at a cookout at a local park yesterday and some kids start playing ball.....

[Kblaze8855]

It was next to a school that had a smaller court with lowered rims off to the side of the real court.

The kids were broken up into two groups. Some probably 8th grade and most younger high school. And the younger kids on the small court.

The older kids were attacking the basket and trying to take layups and all.

The young kids though?

These kids(probably....11-13) are coming down and literally pulling up from halfcourt. Of course its not NBA halfcourt....but its well past even the little 3 point line on that mini court. They did not even TRY to get to the basket. At their age...on a lowered rim?

Id have been trying to dunk. I was adult height at 12 and just didnt grow much more. Id have been out there trying to rock the cradle and bang on someone given a low ass rim. Id at least be doing outlandish Dr.J/Jordan style layups.

But these kids...only one of them did I ever see attack the basket. Everyone else is just pulling up off the dribble from ranges I wouldnt have even considered at their age. And a couple kids were wet.

They were pulling up from what was probably....20 feet? Maybe a bit more. But it looked waaaaaaay back considering their size and the court dimensions. And one of these kids was just shy of unstoppable. He would slow dribble down...and just let it fly. And he made like 3 of 5 at one point. Which for his size and at what was probably NBA range....was wild. And they were guarding him. They didnt just let him shoot it. Once he hit a fat kid with a stepback and let it fly from what was probably 30 feet....and rimmed out. But my friends and I went crazy thinking it went in. And he was probably the smallest guy out there. He looked younger than the rest.

We stood there watching these kids ball for like 20 minutes in awe of their shooting. Only 2 were really hitting a lot of shots...but all of them were making one now and then....and they were taking contested off the dribble 20+ footers.

Not once did anyone pump fake and drive...only one kid took a layup that wasnt a putback. He was on the other team against little Steph and was kinda going hard to the basket. But he was it.

Watching Steph you feel like he might be one of a kind for a long time. But....I dont know. These kids dont give a **** about dunking anymore. They are out here trying to break you off and hit a 30 footer. And doing it.

Just swinging it around outside and taking 3s. We used to post up at that age. Try to dunk on any rim low enough to touch the rim. We didnt lower adjustable rims so we could shoot from a mile away. We lowered them so we could dunk on you. I had big hands so I always tried Doctor J palming layups of every variety that im sure didnt look as nice as I felt they did. But these kids have no use for the paint. They get hyped when they shake you up and wet it from range. Thats what they talk shit about.

We might see more Stephs sooner than I thought. Scary to think but in 20 years we might be saying Steph started something....not mastered it.

I still cant really envision someone just taking what he does to a new level. But I couldnt see anyone getting much better as a shooter than he was 2 years ago. So....maybe they are coming for him.

These kids are not ****ing around.

[HylianNightmare]

Stephs changing the game

[FreezingTsmoove]

Or maybe just maybe no one wanted to attack the rim and not look like a try hard because everyone else is jacking 3s

[AlphaWolf24]

He/warriors is absolutely is changing the way the game is played.

The game has definatley been going more perimeter based or at least perimeter orientated since the early 2000's.....( look at how many amazing perimeter players we had over the past 15 years)

watching him play last night made me feel something deep down inside.....spurs were literally double teaming him just past half court leaving Klay Thompson open...smh.

His ability to shoot is awe inspiring and absolutely will motivate/inspire the future generation to become better shooters.....especially off of the dribble.

[Nick Young]

Yes! I wrote a thread about this phenomenon too!
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=402106

[AlphaWolf24]

Or maybe just maybe no one wanted to attack the rim and not look like a try hard because everyone else is jacking 3s

a loooong looong time ago when I was a kid playing on the little kid courts.....most kids couldn't shoot beyond the FT line....

taking contested 3 all the time ( mostly missing) would get you mad dogged and frozen out....everyone was trying to be like MJ or Magic and drive....or post up....

the game has def changed.

[Kblaze8855]

a loooong looong time ago when I was a kid playing on the little kid courts.....most kids couldn't shoot beyond the FT line....

taking contested 3 all the time ( mostly missing) would get you mad dogged and frozen out....everyone was trying to be like MJ or Magic and drive....or post up....

the game has def changed.


Yea...its the style not just just playing casually.

Lets have an old dude bonding moment here....

Who else remembers coming down on the break as a kid throwing no looks with the leg kick like Magic? Or the leg kick as you back down against a tough defender?

For the younger posters?


see how Magics knee comes up as he passes it?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zrhaRoFz1renuivo1_500.gif


He had a whole generation doing that shit.

[3ball]

see how Magics knee comes up as he passes it?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zrhaRoFz1renuivo1_500.gif


He had a whole generation doing that shit.


Bullshit - that's a natural movement when doing a jump-pass on the run - your leg comes up as you take a step.

You love making things up.. to THIS VERY DAY, no one passes like Magic did - then, now or anytime - Magic is still the all-time leader in APG for regular season and playoffs.

As for Curry's 3-pointers - it's a statistical fact that over 70% of his 3-pointers are taken with at least 4+ feet of room.

Most of his threes are WIDE OPEN... This is a statistical fact - nba.com tracks how far the closest defender is on ALL shots.

[tragicbronson]

People look at me like i'm some sort of dinosaur, i'm 5'10 but i almost never shoot 3s, i can hit them, not so good but it's not like i'm a terrible shooter. On the other hand, my mid range game is really great and that's one of the things people really respect me for, i can hit it off the dribble, fading away over both shoulders. I have a good footwork and i like to play back to the basket even though i can't it really use in 5v5 game since i'm a small guy especially in basketball terms but in 3v3 games where's more 1v1 i have many tricks to use, but i almost never shoot 3s, and i don't know why, i just don't like them, i guess i subconsciously think that there are more efficient shots, especially for myself and try to get them, i mean, i shoot 3 only if i am completely open and in the time where everybody wants to shoot 3s i feel veryyy old school, but i not in a wrong way.

The problem that bothers me is when i see tall guys shooting 3s off the dribble while they would be much more effective and useful in the paint, that's what i'd never understand, use your strengths

[AlphaWolf24]

Yea...its the style not just just playing casually.

Lets have an old dude bonding moment here....

Who else remembers coming down on the break as a kid throwing no looks with the leg kick like Magic? Or the leg kick as you back down against a tough defender?

For the younger posters?


see how Magics knee comes up as he passes it?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zrhaRoFz1renuivo1_500.gif


He had a whole generation doing that shit.


damn...you called it....

Driving the middle and lifting your leg up...lmao....I always did that!


what about actually backing down and then doing a running hook shot across the middle of the lane?....try that sh!t now and you will get booted

[3ball]

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NBA.com describes most of today's 3-point attempts as "open" (4-6 feet) or "very open" (6+ feet)



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)



It makes sense that most 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

Keep in mind that driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.

Btw, 3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

[FreezingTsmoove]

ITT: A bunch of old ****** who cant shoot

[Bankaii]

^^^This dude is in here ruining a decent thread made by a MOD.
If he doesn't get banned:facepalm

But it's the same at my rec. It's back and forth chucking from the timeline.
And everyone else plays James Harden defense so if you do drive you get get fouled.

Steph's shooting ability should be regarded the same as Lebron's athleticism.
You can't copy what Lebron does due to his insane physic. In the same sense you can't copy Curry because no one is anywhere near as accurate as he is off the dribble, especially the average guy.

[3ball]

^^^This dude is in here ruining a decent thread made by a MOD.

The mod is ****ing lying

He says that everyone in today's game shoots crazy, contested 3-pointers off-the-dribble

This is a flat-out LIE - over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room

Then he says Magic invented some sort of leg kick pass - Bob Cousy did the SAME PASS

The mod is a ****ing liar

[3ball]

The mod is ****ing lying

He says that everyone in today's game shoots crazy, contested 3-pointers off-the-dribble

This is a flat-out LIE - over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room

Then he says Magic invented some sort of leg kick pass - Bob Cousy did the SAME PASS

The mod is a ****ing liar
what did i miss

[3ball]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zrhaRoFz1renuivo1_500.gif


He had a whole generation doing that shit.



Let's start counting your lies itt:



1) in today's game, everyone shoots crazy, contested 3-pointers off-the-dribble



facts that prove you lied: nba.com's stats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12291893&postcount=11) show that over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room




2) Magic started fancy passing, so now an entire generation passes like Magic



facts that prove you lied: to this day, no one passes like Magic



Like, if I post a gif of Bob Cousy doing the exact same Magic Johnson pass (lifting his leg like you said), will you stop lying and making up poppycock?.

[imdaman99]

Curry has ruined basketball. Everyone thinks chucking 25+ footers is OK because that's all ESPN shows now.

I was ballin with youngins, we had point game 20-15. I'm like let's just finish it, I pass the ball to one of the kids and he literally takes a 28 footer wide open when he could have drove closer. Of course he shoots an airball and they score on that. We get a stop, I'm trying to finish it because we only need 1 freaking point. They literally triple team me on my drive, and I look to pass...what do I see? 2 of these retards wide open waiting for me to pass to them for a 2. I pass to the other one and tell him to take it to the basket. So what does he do? He takes 2 steps back to take an even longer 2. At that point I was just happy it hit the rim so they had to take it back. Long story short, we don't get the ball back. They are even lazier on defense than offense and we lose 22-20. One of my friends had next, he's like bro you lost how did that happen? I told him straight up, that's what I get for playing with clowns. Made sure I said it loud enough so these kids heard :lol but I got over it after 2 mins.

TL;DR Steph Curry is bad for basketball and the development of future generations.

[Kblaze8855]

damn...you called it....

Driving the middle and lifting your leg up...lmao....I always did that!


No no...didnt you read 3ball? I made that up. You...me...the millions of other kids....none of that shit happened.

[Kblaze8855]

I said Magic kicked his leg up on some no looks...that means I think he "invented" it. Supposedly I say everyone in the nba is taking crazy contested off the dribble threes? Yet the word "contested" is only in my first post once....and its in reference to some children.

What he **** is wrong with you?

[3ball]

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NBA.com describes most of today's 3-point attempts as "open" (4-6 feet) or "very open" (6+ feet)



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)



It makes sense that most 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

Keep in mind that driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.

Btw, 3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.
.

[3ball]

No no...didnt you read 3ball? I made that up. You...me...the millions of other kids....none of that shit happened.


You made up that Magic invented it, just like you made up the notion that today's 3-pointers are contested..

The reality is that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open (see previous post with nba.com's "closest defender" stats).

So your notion that today's players take a bunch of contested 3-pointers is literally a figment of your imagination... :oldlol:
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[Kblaze8855]

What you think "my" notion is...isnt anywhere in the words I wrote. Im gonna go on and assume everyone but you can read...and disregard you.

[90sgoat]

Yeah, I recognize this, I know for sure that lowered rim and you'd have everyone trying to dunk and doing alley-oop.

We didn't try much to be like Magic on the break but Jason Kidd tho. J-Kidd, Penny, Grant Hill those were the hero's of my generatio and the older ones like MJ off course too, but he was too good to even attempt to emulate:lol

The 3 point chucking was nothing new though, we had it in Europe for decades. That's why I say modern NBA is just 90s FIBA basketball with more athletic guys and even FIBA defended the lane, but the drive to the basket within 3 feet and then pass out to 3 point shooter? That is FIBA ball to the max:roll:

Let me repeat, there is absolutely NOTHING new or revolutionary about the current NBA, the NBA has simply regressed into 10-20 year old FIBA rules and play style, except they don't call carry and they have the def 3 rule. Otherwise, it is exactly the same. FIBA always had that extreme focus on drive and kick and shooting 3s and everyone you played on a competetive level, there would always be guys shooting insane long 3s.

I remember playing as a youngster with older guys and you had to be glued to your man even 6 feet outside the 3 point line or they'd swish swish swish. Short fat guys too, had to go up and body or they'd swish.

NBA and American basketball just regressed into boring FIBA basketball.

[3ball]

What you think "my" notion is...isnt anywhere in the words I wrote. Im gonna go on and assume everyone but you can read...and disregard you.
I don't care about your spin - just know that most of today's 3-pointers are WIDE OPEN (as shown by nba.com's stats in post #20 above)

so stop trying to give the impression that today's player takes a bunch of contested three-pointers - it's immature to spread lies like that

that is all

[Kblaze8855]

We didn't try much to be like Magic on the break but Jason Kidd tho. J-Kidd, Penny, Grant Hill those were the hero's of my generatio and the older ones like MJ off course too, but he was too good to even attempt to emulate


Yea I could see Kidd and Penny being the ones to copy from the guys coming up behind me. Tim Hardaway had some impact too. And then AI took it all over of course.

Hakeem kinda bridged the gap. Everyone was dream shaking.

[3ball]

Hakeem kinda bridged the gap. Everyone was dream shaking.


Jordan invented that move - NO ONE did it before him - would you like to see gifs of Jordan's dream shake in the 80's and early 90's?

Hakeem got that from Jordan - Hakeem trained Lebron and Kobe with moves (like the dream shake) that he got from Jordan.

Those are the FACTS - but continue on (with your lies)
.

[NattyPButter]

I'm 33 and at that age that's what most of us kids did too. Ppl act like shooting 3's a lot is some new thing. A lot of us was also doing a lot of half court shots too.

[sd3035]

Jordan actually invented the jump shot

[3ball]

Jordan actually invented the jump shot
Jordan had the best midrange jumpshooting season on record:

It was 1997 - he shot 49.3% from midrange on 1202 attempts - this is literally 15 percentage points higher than most of today's top wing players, on literally two or three times the volume.

Jordan invented the dream shake - NO ONE did it before he did, and he did it REGULARLY in the 80's and 90's.

Jordan basically invented the lean-in tomahawk jam - he popularized it the same way AI did the crossover.

Jordan popularized the fadeaway... He took what Bird did to another level - during his 2nd three-peat, he led the league in scoring by shooting mainly turnaround jumpshots (many of them via the dream shake).

[Kblaze8855]

I'm 33 and at that age that's what most of us kids did too. Ppl act like shooting 3's a lot is some new thing. A lot of us was also doing a lot of half court shots too.


It is a new thing far as the rate it happens. Its not new in that....nobody ever did it. Someone has done everything. But its the norm now.

Someone comes along and makes certain styles or moves more popular for a while...and they get credit for bringing it to the forefront. Damn near every approach or move someone has done before. Just not often enough to become associated with it. There were 3 point chuckers in the ABA. Dream shakes in the 60s(Pistol Pete did it in college). George Mikan was doing the "Dirk" one legged fadeaway in the 40s. Curry will probably get the longterm credit fro making his current approach popular. The kids are leaning his way it seems.

[Jameerthefear]

3ball is having an absolute come apart :roll: :roll: F*cking ridiculous.

[3ball]

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NBA.com describes most of today's 3-point attempts as "open" (4-6 feet) or "very open" (6+ feet)



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)



It makes sense that most 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

Keep in mind that driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.

Btw, 3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

[Mr. Jabbar]

its a good shift, dunking is way overrated, guys like jordan or kobe made dunking appealing but for the most part is just tall guys doing tall guys stuff. shooting from afar is SKILL

[3ball]

3ball is having an absolute come apart :roll: :roll: F*cking ridiculous.


I get it - you're kidding - good one... :roll:

It's the opposite of course:

When Kblaze said that today's players take a bunch of contested 3-pointers, I destroyed him with nba.com's stats that show over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room (shown in the post above).

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[KungFuJoe]

The game is changing. I'm 41 and I still play ball at parks, open gym, la fitness and run in a couple leagues. I've never seen so many people shoot threes.

Parks I played at when I was younger didn't even have three point lines. Those that did, you didn't count em.

What makes it worse in pick up games is that it's a 2 pointer vs 1 pointer so it's like a 4 pointer in a real game. So you got even more people just jacking em up.

Can't really blame them though because I'm not gonna lie...I'm busting my ass, driving to the hole, getting hacked while these dudes are just roaming around the three point line shooting it and then trotting back on D miss or make.

But I'm adjusting. I shoot more threes now than ever. Gotta adapt or you get left behind. Even in my old man (35+) league everyone just shoots threes.

[jstern]

I like this topic.

I haven't gotten to play much basketball the last year, but for years now, long because this Curry phenomenon I've been talking about the difference between then and now. How six years ago, instead of playing, I would see kids just shooting half court shots, and getting really excited, not for making the shot, but if it went near the basket. Sounds like it has gotten more extreme the last year.

Some people might read the OP and think it's a real positive. How one man comes and is changing the way kids are playing. But kids always imitate the top players, that's nothing new. And chucking up 3s off the dribble, vs developing a high IQ game is not a great thing.

What it reminds me is of Ray Allen vs the Lakers in the Finals. He was in a big time slump, and if only he could hit a couple of more shots the Celtics would have won. He was in a slump, he had a wide open lane from about 18 feet. What does he do? Instead of penetrating, take a shot, make the defense react, create, he steps back to brick another 3 pointer.

Here I would post that video of Michael Jordan talking about how he doesn't want to excels with a 3 point game, because it gets players to settle for the shot, waiting for people to find them, rather than penetrating, creating, etc. I can't find it though.

[Lebron23]

The game is changing. I'm 41 and I still play ball at parks, open gym, la fitness and run in a couple leagues. I've never seen so many people shoot threes.

Parks I played at when I was younger didn't even have three point lines. Those that did, you didn't count em.

What makes it worse in pick up games is that it's a 2 pointer vs 1 pointer so it's like a 4 pointer in a real game. So you got even more people just jacking em up.

Can't really blame them though because I'm not gonna lie...I'm busting my ass, driving to the hole, getting hacked while these dudes are just roaming around the three point line shooting it and then trotting back on D miss or make.

But I'm adjusting. I shoot more threes now than ever. Gotta adapt or you get left behind. Even in my old man (35+) league everyone just shoots threes.


How old are your children? Do you have an 18 years old daughter?

[Rocketswin2013]

Bullshit - that's a natural movement when doing a jump-pass on the run - your leg comes up as you take a step.

You love making things up.. to THIS VERY DAY, no one passes like Magic did - then, now or anytime - Magic is still the all-time leader in APG for regular season and playoffs.

As for Curry's 3-pointers - it's a statistical fact that over 70% of his 3-pointers are taken with at least 4+ feet of room.

Most of his threes are WIDE OPEN... This is a statistical fact - nba.com tracks how far the closest defender is on ALL shots.
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[sd3035]

3ball is furious :roll:

[kshutts1]

I hope this newer generation doesn't get so enamored with their shot that they ignore all other aspects. It sounds like they are at least working on their handling, so that's good.

I'm excited to watch how the game grows in the next 20 years.

[miggyme1]

It was next to a school that had a smaller court with lowered rims off to the side of the real court.

The kids were broken up into two groups. Some probably 8th grade and most younger high school. And the younger kids on the small court.

The older kids were attacking the basket and trying to take layups and all.

The young kids though?

These kids(probably....11-13) are coming down and literally pulling up from halfcourt. Of course its not NBA halfcourt....but its well past even the little 3 point line on that mini court. They did not even TRY to get to the basket. At their age...on a lowered rim?

Id have been trying to dunk. I was adult height at 12 and just didnt grow much more. Id have been out there trying to rock the cradle and bang on someone given a low ass rim. Id at least be doing outlandish Dr.J/Jordan style layups.

But these kids...only one of them did I ever see attack the basket. Everyone else is just pulling up off the dribble from ranges I wouldnt have even considered at their age. And a couple kids were wet.

They were pulling up from what was probably....20 feet? Maybe a bit more. But it looked waaaaaaay back considering their size and the court dimensions. And one of these kids was just shy of unstoppable. He would slow dribble down...and just let it fly. And he made like 3 of 5 at one point. Which for his size and at what was probably NBA range....was wild. And they were guarding him. They didnt just let him shoot it. Once he hit a fat kid with a stepback and let it fly from what was probably 30 feet....and rimmed out. But my friends and I went crazy thinking it went in. And he was probably the smallest guy out there. He looked younger than the rest.

We stood there watching these kids ball for like 20 minutes in awe of their shooting. Only 2 were really hitting a lot of shots...but all of them were making one now and then....and they were taking contested off the dribble 20+ footers.

Not once did anyone pump fake and drive...only one kid took a layup that wasnt a putback. He was on the other team against little Steph and was kinda going hard to the basket. But he was it.

Watching Steph you feel like he might be one of a kind for a long time. But....I dont know. These kids dont give a **** about dunking anymore. They are out here trying to break you off and hit a 30 footer. And doing it.

Just swinging it around outside and taking 3s. We used to post up at that age. Try to dunk on any rim low enough to touch the rim. We didnt lower adjustable rims so we could shoot from a mile away. We lowered them so we could dunk on you. I had big hands so I always tried Doctor J palming layups of every variety that im sure didnt look as nice as I felt they did. But these kids have no use for the paint. They get hyped when they shake you up and wet it from range. Thats what they talk shit about.

We might see more Stephs sooner than I thought. Scary to think but in 20 years we might be saying Steph started something....not mastered it.

I still cant really envision someone just taking what he does to a new level. But I couldnt see anyone getting much better as a shooter than he was 2 years ago. So....maybe they are coming for him.

These kids are not ****ing around.


idk where u are from but where im from at younger ages we always played like that.

person would get the ball and literally dribble until he thought he had an open shot.....usually 30 feet from the rim. Hell my jumper was the first thing I developed and around high school I started getting into driving and attacking the rim. I would assume curry has had some impact on the way the youngins view the game now but I vividly remember playing just like steph at ages 4-12

[CuterThanRubio]

I hate playing with randoms who refuse to shoot threes, its the worst strategy ever and they don't recognize an open look until you hog the rock and blast one from outside, but if you don't hit your first shot from deep it looks like you were being reckless and you don't get the ball out there again.

Most of the time you won't be defended very tightly beyond the line so its a good idea to go for it a few times until they realize your plan, I catch people sleeping all the time.

[TommyGriffin]

I hate playing with randoms who refuse to shoot threes, its the worst strategy ever and they don't recognize an open look until you hog the rock and blast one from outside, but if you don't hit your first shot from deep it looks like you were being reckless and you don't get the ball out there again.

Most of the time you won't be defended very tightly beyond the line so its a good idea to go for it a few times until they realize your plan, I catch people sleeping all the time.
Excuse me, it seems like you have mistaken us for people who give a shit.

[bond10]

The little kids were scared to drive against the bigger kids. Simple.

[CuterThanRubio]

Excuse me, it seems like you have mistaken us for people who give a shit.

You cared enough to respond! (You must be furious! Completely consumed by RAGE whenever you see my username!)

I haven't mistaken you for anything other than what you really are!

Some sorry sap's alt, trying to come at the rookie of the year, I don't think so!



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I don't give a fvck, I'm posting whatever I want to and you can keep getting mad. You can choose to ignore me at your own discretion, I'm posting here for my own entertainment, boy!

Why would you bother checking this thread if you don't actually go outside and play ball? You pasty slob!

You would understand my plight if you weren't a weak troll fishing for angered responses to your BS but I'm speaking the real!