2014 Spurs vs 2016 Warriors, who wins?

[Cocaine80s]

Im taking the Spurs tbh

[Spurs m8]

2014 Spurs in 5 or 6

[inclinerator]

spurts

[masonanddixon]

2014 Spurs sucked. They barely beat a terrible Mavs squad and needed some of the most biased officiating to get there.

GSW in 5, maybe 6.

[Spurs m8]

2014 Spurs sucked. They barely beat a terrible Mavs squad and needed some of the most biased officiating to get there.

GSW in 5, maybe 6.

:roll: :roll: :roll: you are consistently just horrible

[masonanddixon]

:roll: :roll: :roll: you are consistently just horrible

Game 7 was one of the most fixed games I have ever seen. And the refs handed you Game 4. Mavs should've been up 3-1 going into Game 5.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Dubs sweep them

[tpols]

the spurs didnt look anywhere near as good as this years warriors aside from playing the heat in the finals .. who were visibly out of it, looked like dog shit.

[Spurs m8]

the spurs didnt look anywhere near as good as this years warriors aside from playing the heat in the finals .. who were visibly out of it, looked like dog shit.

Because the Spurs shut them down and ran over them...... :facepalm

Its amazing how many people here don't understand good D and think 'all players that have a bad night are just having a bad night".
Yep, there's a reason for that bad night.

[Spurs m8]

Game 7 was one of the most fixed games I have ever seen. And the refs handed you Game 4. Mavs should've been up 3-1 going into Game 5.

If that's all you took out of the Spurs playoff series that year then you're a complete goose, champ.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Because the Spurs shut them down and ran over them...... :facepalm

Its amazing how many people here don't understand good D and think 'all players that have a bad night are just having a bad night".
Yep, there's a reason for that bad night.

Go to bed little boi....

Your saltiness and blind homerism is sickening ....
Bran choked ....

[Spurs m8]

Go to bed little boi....

Your saltiness and blind homerism is sickening ....
Bran choked ....

LOL feeling a bit insecure there, champ?

KAWHI LOCKDOWN
Bran stat padded when games were over and he was off Kawhi.

You're one of those guys like warriorfan, never played ball in ya life.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

LOL feeling a bit insecure there, champ?

KAWHI LOCKDOWN
Bran stat padded when games were over and he was off Kawhi.

You're one of those guys like warriorfan, never played ball in ya life.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Cry some moar little boi.....

Yes, cry some more :lol :lol :lol

not even a Bran Stan. I like the Claw im just laughing at your salt

[bdreason]

Similar play styles, only current Warriors are better at every aspect of the game.

I think a more intriguing matchup would be 2014 Spurs vs. 2016 Spurs. Completely different play styles, but both incredibly effective at what they do.

[Spurs m8]

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Cry some moar little boi.....

Yes, cry some more :lol :lol :lol

not even a Bran Stan. I like the Claw im just laughing at your salt

I'm having an awesome day tbh

Winning all round

You're confusing salt with truth tbh

[feyki]

This year Spurs are best team of their franchise history . And they will eliminate the Warriors , i'm sure on that .

[Proctor]

This year Spurs are best team of their franchise history . And they will eliminate the Warriors , i'm sure on that .
I agree, hopefully they meet.

[Da_Realist]

This year Spurs are best team of their franchise history . And they will eliminate the Warriors , i'm sure on that .

They need a dynamic scorer. Duncan is too old and LMA is soft. Everyone else needs the system. GSW has several players that can find a way to score when things break down or when the defense becomes suffocating. The Spurs would need to play the best defense in history plus GSW would need to wet the bed for SA to win 4 out of 7.

[tpols]

Because the Spurs shut them down and ran over them...... :facepalm

Its amazing how many people here don't understand good D and think 'all players that have a bad night are just having a bad night".
Yep, there's a reason for that bad night.


yea well, where was that defense for the previous 3 rounds which were close ??


I dont like using a 5 game sample from a team facing bran in the Finals as the only barometer

[Prime_Shaq]

I think the Warriors are slightly better in almost every aspect. Warriors is 6 or 7 games.

[AintNoSunshine]

Spurs. Similar offensive efficiency, better defense.

[nba_55]

Similar play styles, only current Warriors are better at every aspect of the game.

I think a more intriguing matchup would be 2014 Spurs vs. 2016 Spurs. Completely different play styles, but both incredibly effective at what they do.

2014 Spurs were better than 2016 spurs. Their offense was way better than these Spurs. They were hitting everything, the ball movement was the best by far in the league, now their offense looks terrible compared to what it used to be. Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Green, Mills were all significantly better.

[3ball]

Not much Lebron could've done in 2007 Finals



Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:


Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Bonzi vs. Spurs in 2006 1st Rd: 23/12 on 61%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%



The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:


....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Bonzi 2006 1st Rd (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1719/stats/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=1) ..............50.0........................... 62.5............................... 32.2
Dirk 2006 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1717/stats/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=1) ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3



Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.

Even 9 years later in 2016, his efficiency is among the worst in NBA outside the paint... Lebron simply CAN'T SHOOT.. When a player can't shoot, there are tons of guys that can play better than him.






Lebron had no chance in 2007 Finals


Not true - despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.
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[3ball]

Lebron had no chance in 2014


Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3, because he's weak with no perseverance - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.





Lebron had no chance in 2015


Lebron's poor defense on Kawhi in 2014 Finals was not a fluke because he did the same thing in 2015, only worse - he let a 7 ppg role player (Iggy) be > Curry.

Every other team held Kawhi and Iggy down EXCEPT Lebron's teams (Heat and Cavs).. Obviously, if Lebron holds Iggy to 7 ppg instead of 17 ppg, AND shoots better than 39% against the Warriors' single-coverage, the Cavs win easily.

It's amazing - even WITH Lebron's defense allowing Iggy 17 ppg (instead of 7 ppg), and even WITH Lebron shooting an abysmal 39%, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.
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