"ESPN 30 for 30: This Magic Moment" April 14th.

[L.Kizzle]

Did anyone even know about this? The great ESPN series will tell the story of the 90s' Shaq and Penny Orlando Magic.

Premiers tomorrow night. Should be a good one.

[dazzer87]

thanks will record.

[bigkingsfan]

Tonight is the night.

[Meticode]

I saw it advertise 4-5 days ago. I plan to watch it becuase I'm interested in what exactly happened in Orlando because players are notorious for leaving there and what happened exactly between Shaq and Penny who could've been an awesome duo for a decade.

[senelcoolidge]

I hope they replay it because I won't get home until after 9pm. I was a Penny fan.
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[Uncle Drew]

Thanks for the heads up. Looking forward to this.

[Stringer Bell]

ESPN 30 for 30 usually does a good job with the documentaries. Looking forward to this one.

[jlip]

If I can't watch this tonight, I will catch one of the many replays.

[AlphaWolf24]

Damn... Thought that team was going to be a dynasty and win at least 2-3 titles....especially after they beat MJs Bulls in the playoffs

[bigkingsfan]

Showtime

[Jameerthefear]

ugh does anyone know if they'll replay it?

[bigkingsfan]

Damn, didn't even know Shaq wanted to be a Lakers day one. :confusedshrug:

[dazzer87]

Damn, didn't even know Shaq wanted to be a Lakers day one. :confusedshrug:
Same here......

Damn those Magic Highlights of Shaq..........:eek:

[Rake2204]

Real cool watch so far. Shaq's arrival was riiiight on the cusp of when I began obsessing over the NBA (1993).

Oh, and I just saw an Shaq dunk on Olajuwon I'm not sure I've ever seen.

[Jameerthefear]

**** I got it paused till after the debate. I heard Shaq is co-producing this which is straight up bad news.

[Jameerthefear]

Yeah hearing Shaq co-produced this really just kind of dampened my mood on this thing. We're definitely not getting the entire truth.

[Rake2204]

The '93 Draft was the first one I ever remember, and I obsessed over it because I was a Michigan and Fab Five guy. Went crazy at the notion of Webber playing alongside Shaq.

Had no idea who Penny Hardaway was.

[bigkingsfan]

Any team would have chosen Webber 10/10 times in that situation. LOL Bradley :lol

[alanLA92]

Watching it now. Getting to the part where Anderson chokes.

[bigkingsfan]

Didn't even know he choked on the inbound assignment.

[dazzer87]

Nick Choke Anderson.........:lol

[alanLA92]

Don't think the Magic would of won the series but that first game broke their spirit and fueled the Rockets.

[bigkingsfan]

Horace Grant with a dirty shove to end game four. :roll:

[dazzer87]

Penny still looks the same 20 years later......

black dont crack....

[Rake2204]

Didn't even know he choked on the inbound assignment.I was wondering about Penny's comments there because it actually looked like Nick Anderson was clearly stepping over the sideline but the official just didn't call it. He may have been a little late to do so though, so maybe that was the issue.

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq was psychotically insecure

[dazzer87]

Shaq acted like a baby.......:facepalm

[ballinhun8]

Has been real good so far.



The 30 for 30s are awesome. Man, forget how good Penny was back then.

[alanLA92]

Lol funny thing this stuff happened again in 04 with Kobe. Shaq didnt learn anything. And love how the Heat upped the Shaq contact deal.

[bigkingsfan]

They only had Shaq and his agent told his side of the story on the contract negotiation? If they offer him 4 years 80, why wouldn't they do 7, 121 million for a young superstar? :confusedshrug:

[senelcoolidge]

This is kind of depressing.

[Rake2204]

Really strange time in collective bargaining with rookies gaining unrestricted free agency immediately following their first deal.

Kind of bizarre that O'Neal cited a reader poll in a newspaper as part of the reason he left. $100 million was an insane amount of money at that point, the types of readers who'd vote about something like that at that point... probably aren't going to be a great indicator.

[dazzer87]

Kind of bizarre that O'Neal cited a reader poll in a newspaper as part of the reason he left. $100 million was an insane amount of money at that point, the types of readers who'd vote about something like that at that point... probably aren't going to be a great indicator.
Nah He wanted out and that's the excuse he gave. He wanted to come to LA from day one.

[alanLA92]

Damn the butthurt from that one guy. If you have a HOF, of course you put Shaq. Lol

[dazzer87]

Shaq is full of shIt telling them he shouldve stay.......:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rake2204]

Nah He wanted out and that's the excuse he gave. He wanted to come to LA from day one.True words.

[Hopper15]

I was cracking up when Barkley commented on that Orlando poll.

[Wally450]

I was cracking up when Barkley commented on that Orlando poll.

Same, hasn't changed a bit and I love it. :oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

Nah He wanted out and that's the excuse he gave. He wanted to come to LA from day one.
If Zo was getting over 100 Million, Shaq should be too.

Also, Penny face at the Olympic press conference when he found out Shaq was a Laker. :biggums:

[senelcoolidge]

Also, Penny face at the Olympic press conference when he found out Shaq was a Laker. :biggums:

Shaq should have at least told him..that wasn't cool. Penny was a good dude and great player for those few years. He just got a bad deal with the injuries.

[Meticode]

Makes you wonder what could've been. If Shaq stayed maybe Penny wouldn't of pushed himself so hard to where his knees broke down. I watched Penny's last season in Orlando and it was hard to watch. A player with so much promise just sapped of everything because of injury.

Then it doesn't end. They chased Grant Hill and Tim Duncan and Tracy McGrady. Landed a stun in McGrady, but Hill just never recovered from his foot injury fully and was sapped of a Hall of Fame all-time career. Then the Magic get Dwight Howard and he jets and leaves the Magic too.

[ClipperRevival]

Great documentary. Didn't know those FTs affected Nick that much. Orlando Shaq was just a freak of nature. I love these old schools docs, brings me back to my younger days. GOAT era of bball.

[L8krH8tr]

Dam I miss the NBA on NBC so much

[Meticode]

Great documentary. Didn't know those FTs affected Nick that much. Orlando Shaq was just a freak of nature. I love these old schools docs, brings me back to my younger days. GOAT era of bball.
It honestly makes me wonder how good Shaq would've bene if he stayed in shape. He was overweight almost all his years after his Orlando days. Don't get me wrong, he was dominate and could take anyone in the paint. Put I prefer the more nimble gazelle Orlando Shaq.

[L8krH8tr]

The crazy thing is even with shaq and Kobe the fakers couldn't win without Phil Jackson

[Meticode]

The crazy thing is even with shaq and Kobe the fakers couldn't win without Phil Jackson
Phil Jackson is the X Factor of why those teams won anything. He knew how to tame their egos. Without Phil Jackson the team would've fallen out a lot quicker than it did.

[L8krH8tr]

Phil Jackson is the X Factor of why those teams won anything. He knew how to tame their egos. Without Phil Jackson the team would've fallen out a lot quicker than it did.

Ya the ego of shaq and Kobe could only be handled by the zen master. Without him I can picture Utah Jazz,Portland , Spurs , Kings would of had better chances back then.

[ClipperRevival]

It honestly makes me wonder how good Shaq would've bene if he stayed in shape. He was overweight almost all his years after his Orlando days. Don't get me wrong, he was dominate and could take anyone in the paint. Put I prefer the more nimble gazelle Orlando Shaq.

I wouldn't say overweight but he wasn't in tip top shape. I think if he had been more dedicated, he probably wins a couple more regular season mvps and rings. But you can still argue that he was the MDE for a stretch. If he got within 5 feet of the basket, it was a dunk. And you can't say that about any other player in history.

[L.Kizzle]

Ya the ego of shaq and Kobe could only be handled by the zen master. Without him I can picture Utah Jazz,Portland , Spurs , Kings would of had better chances back then.
Better chances, Portland was a quarter away from meeting the Pacers in the Finals. And the Kings were a Vlade Divac lose ball tap away from meeting the Nets in the Finals.

[L.Kizzle]

I wouldn't say overweight but he wasn't in tip top shape. I think if he had been more dedicated, he probably wins a couple more regular season mvps and rings. But you can still argue that he was the MDE for a stretch. If he got within 5 feet of the basket, it was a dunk. And you can't say that about any other player in history.
He was overweight. Magic Shaq was freaking slim.

[Uncle Drew]

Just watched it on ESPN2. I liked it, but it wasn't as great as Bad Boys for instance. Not the same intensity. Though of course, this team is one of the greatest what ifs.

[3ball]

Has been real good so far.

The 30 for 30s are awesome. Man, forget how good Penny was back then.



The wings from the Jordan era match today's era man-for-man:


...2000-2014.................1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZCbZq8wWg), Jamaal Mashburn, Glenn Robinson

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis



^^^^^ Remember, this is just the wing players - if we add the bigs, previous eras blow today's era to Mars

[Uncle Drew]

The wings from the Jordan era match today's era man-for-man:


...2000-2014.................1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZCbZq8wWg), Jamaal Mashburn, Glenn Robinson

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis



^^^^^ Remember, this is just the wing players - if we add the bigs, previous eras blow today's era to Mars
Good Lord, why don't you just die?

[xtrm]

Why did Penny left Magic for Phoenix?

[JBSptfn]

The crazy thing is even with shaq and Kobe the fakers couldn't win without Phil Jackson

As a fellow Laker hater, I agree. And even then, they needed that perfect window from 00-02. It was right after the Bulls dynasty and 99 Spurs, and before the 02-03 Spurs re-boot and the return of the 313 to the top of the NBA after 14 years.

In that three-year window, you had a pretty weak Eastern Conference, a Spur team that seemed to go down a few pegs after their lockout title, and two really talented challengers out West in the 2000 Blazers and 02 Kings that didn't really have that much heart when it came down to it.

[IllegalD]

Yeah hearing Shaq co-produced this really just kind of dampened my mood on this thing. We're definitely not getting the entire truth.

You're in denial, little boy.

The Magic handled the Shaq situation atrociously.

It's all laid out in the documentary in black and white:

1) They botched the situation with Shaq missing time due to his grandmother dying. Alienated Shaq and threw him under the bus. The contradicting stories from within the organization about the situation made them look like amateurs.

2) They low-balled him in their first two offers. It wasn't until AFTER Jerry West offered him the $120 million that the Orlando matched the offer (imagine a franchise doing that nowadays in free agency with a generational talent like Shaq. You come with that offer the minute free agency starts)

Obviously Shaq has a fragile ego, but thats the freaking point. You don't mess around with that and get cute trying to lowball your prized superstar.

That's why guys like Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak are playing chess, while the Magic's front office are retards barely able to color inside the lines with a crayon.

The inbred Floridian fans didn't help either with their retarded polls and entitled attitudes.

Magic organization and fans stay losing for life. Nothing will ever change.

:hammertime: :yaohappy:

[Tarik One]

What I found interesting was that not only did the fans turn on Shaq with that ridiculous poll, they pretty much did the same to Penny years later which led to him signing with Phoenix.

It was clear that Penny was still bothered by that. You give your all to a city and a franchise and they shyt all over him.

[Nick Young]

He was overweight. Magic Shaq was freaking slim.
Fat Shaq was able to beastmode over triple teams better than Inshape Shaq was.

People hate on fat Shaq but he was brutally effective and got the job done.


Shaq was MDE during his peak fat years, not during his slim years.

[JBSptfn]

Fat Shaq was able to beastmode over triple teams better than Inshape Shaq was.

People hate on fat Shaq but he was brutally effective and got the job done.


Shaq was MDE during his peak fat years, not during his slim years.

I think that overweight Laker Shaq got a lot of calls, too.

[Take Your Lumps]

Found it streaming here if anyone missed it:

http://www.mrworldpremiere.tv/?p=3975