Last night was not a good night for Jordan stans

[1987_Lakers]

- Kobe goes out like a boss scoring 60 points in his home crowd, while in Jordan's last game he only put up 15 points in a loss for a franchise that didn't care for him.

- The Warriors won their 73rd game, besting a record that many thought was unbreakable when Jordan's Bulls won 72 in '96.

Hold this L Jordan.

[9erempiree]

Not good at all.

[tpols]

add to that UNC losing last week on buzzer beater. Jordan fam stays taking them L's.

[tmacattack33]

You forgot: Stephen Curry put up 46 points on 27 true shots

MJ never scored more than 45 points on 27 true shots or less.

The closest he ever came to that was 45 points on 30 true shots, in 1990 against Indiana


Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jordami01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=lt&c1val=27&c2stat=pts&c2comp=gt&c2val=45&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts



Edit: Not to say that MJ wasn't efficient. He was very efficient. Other players wouldn't even come close. I don't even have to look this up for other players, because I am sure they haven't done it. It's just that Curry took it a step further. And MJ fans thought that would never happen.

[Edgar Friendly]

It's raining down Ls today.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2i0yb8m.jpg

[GrapeApe]

You forgot: Stephen Curry put up 46 points on 27 true shots

MJ never scored more than 45 points on 27 true shots or less.

The closest he ever came to that was 45 points on 30 true shots, in 1990 against Indiana


Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jordami01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=lt&c1val=27&c2stat=pts&c2comp=gt&c2val=45&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts


Edit: Not to say that MJ wasn't efficient. He was very efficient. Other players wouldn't even come close. It's just that Curry took it a step further.

What are "true shots"? In the Indiana game Jordan scored 45 points on 27 shots, but he had several higher scoring games on equal or fewer shots. For example, how is 58 points on 25 shots LESS efficient than 45 points on 27 shots? That doesn't make any sense.

[NBASTATMAN]

- Kobe goes out like a boss scoring 60 points in his home crowd, while in Jordan's last game he only put up 15 points in a loss for a franchise that didn't care for him.

- The Warriors won their 73rd game, besting a record that many thought was unbreakable when Jordan's Bulls won 72 in '96.

Hold this L Jordan.


Curry is amazing and deserves MVP for BEING CONSISTENTLY GREAT THIS SEASON. He truly reached that MJ LEVEL.. Lebron and Kobe haven't ... MUCH PROPS

Jordan's team won around 18 more games than the prior year when he joined THE WIZARDS. The Lakers with Kobe leading didnt even win 18 games. The Lakers' actually had a better record without KOBE THIS SEASON THAN WITH HIM... YES THAT IS TRUE...

Hate to rain on the parade but Kobe just led a team to 17 wins... :roll:

Dominique Wilkins was ridiculously great after his Achilles tear.. I wonder if someone will have time to Start a DOminique vs Kobe discussion after both tore their achilles?

Curry's season is in my opinion the best offensive season Ive seen:bowdown:

[riseagainst]

It's raining down Ls today.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2i0yb8m.jpg


:lol
:roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

You forgot: Stephen Curry put up 46 points on 27 true shots

MJ never scored more than 45 points on 27 true shots or less.

The closest he ever came to that was 45 points on 30 true shots, in 1990 against Indiana


Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jordami01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=lt&c1val=27&c2stat=pts&c2comp=gt&c2val=45&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts



Edit: Not to say that MJ wasn't efficient. He was very efficient. Other players wouldn't even come close. I don't even have to look this up for other players, because I am sure they haven't done it. It's just that Curry took it a step further. And MJ fans thought that would never happen.


Jordan fan here.. And I agree Curry's offensive season is the best ive seen... Happy to be able to watch him play... THIS IS JUST THE REGULAR SEASON AND THEY DON'T MEAN TOO MUCH..

GREATS ARE MADE IN THE PLAYOFFS

[Da_Realist]

I didn't even know Kobe was still alive until I read the internet this morning.

[NBASTATMAN]

It's raining down Ls today.

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[GrapeApe]

What are "true shots"? In the Indiana game Jordan scored 45 points on 27 shots, but he had several higher scoring games on equal or fewer shots. For example, how is 58 points on 25 shots LESS efficient than 45 points on 27 shots? That doesn't make any sense.

And to add to this question, last night Curry scored 46 points on 24 shots. In Jordan's game that I mentioned above he scored 12 more points on only 1 more shot attempt. 58 on 25 is more efficient than 46 on 24. No?

If there's a stat that says Curry's game is more efficient, I'm not sure it's a very good stat.

[Spurs m8]

LOL such petty accomplishments

[hateraid]

Lol, check out that dragonyuew character completely unfolding in my other thread :roll:

It's hilarious! He's in meltdown mode as we speak

[3ball]

curry didnt play defense and still won more.



Since Curry didn't play defense AND scored a lower proportion of his team's points than Jordan, he had more help on both sides of the ball:



.................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)






Curry's individual efficiency blows MJ's away.


Not at all - Curry's PER is lower than Jordan's was (31.5 to Jordan's 31.7 in 1991).. This is Curry's first season with a 31+ PER, whereas Jordan has 4 straight seasons of 31+ and a higher career PER.

Also, Curry's ORtg (points-per-possession) is the same 125, just like Jordan in 1991.

Finally, Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load, as stats show.. Since Jordan reached the holy grail of basketball (winning championship and FMVP) while carrying a bigger load, who cares about efficiency..

If Curry had a bigger load on BOTH sides of the ball like MJ, his efficiency would be lower like Jordan's.





How big is the gap between the 2 really in terms of skills?



Jordan was the FAR better jumpshooter inside 20 feet - he shot much better on literally 5 times the volume:



.....................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/) <--- link to nba.com data

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 48.6%, 72 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997:. 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY.. 2015:. 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016:. 42.5%, 200 fga




Btw, Jordan's assist averages are nearly the same as Curry's even though Curry played point guard his entire career.. When Jordan played point guard - he did it better - he averaged 30/9/11 including 10 triple-doubles in 11 games.. He also averaged 8.5 APG during a championship playoff run, including 11.2 in the Finals.

Other than 3-pointers, Jordan was better at basically everything - he was a better passer, post player, midrange player, and paint player, and a better shooter inside 20 feet.

Ironically, Jordan wouldn't NEED his goat midrange shooting to be the best in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Derozan, Butler and Wade have poor midrange AND 3-point efficiency, but they're still the top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he'd have goat midrange shooting, which would be a massive advantage over his aforementioned, non-shooting peers.
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