16 Warriors crush 96 Bulls

[StrongLurk]

96 bulls played with the SHORTENED 3 POINT LINE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Who cares about "hand-checking" when the Warriors would just screen defenders all game? Curry and Klay with an inch of space would CRUSH the shortened three point line.

Warriors win 4-2 series no doubt and Curry would score 40 per game. Obviously Jordan gets his points but no one else on the bulls can score at the rate of the Warriors bombing threes.

Curry just had the highest PPG for any player in 50/40/90 club (Curry was 50/45/91), record in 3PM, leader in PTS (and the lowest MPG among any player in history with at least 30 PPG) AND led the league in Steal and FT%.

[sekachu]

96 bulls played with the SHORTENED 3 POINT LINE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Who cares about "hand-checking" when the Warriors would just screen defenders all game? Curry and Klay with an inch of space would CRUSH the shortened three point line.

Warriors win 4-2 series no doubt and Curry would score 40 per game. Obviously Jordan gets his points but no one else on the bulls can score at the rate of the Warriors bombing threes.

Curry just had the highest PPG for any player in 50/40/90 club (Curry was 50/45/91), record in 3PM, leader in PTS (and the lowest MPG among any player in history with at least 30 PPG) AND led the league in Steal and FT%.



Do you know 96 bulls is one of the best perimeter defensive team?

[ralph_i_el]

Honestly, playing with a short line might help the Bulls more than it does the Warriors. How much more accurate will Curry be 1 step closer? Probably less benefit than MJ gets shooting short 3's instead of some long 2's

[diamenz]

Do you know 96 bulls is one of the best perimeter defensive team?

kids only see it one way - their way.

[LAZERUSS]

No one knows how that series might play out, but given what we know about how the teams played against their best opponents, it is highly unlikely that either team would crush the other.

[kamil]

Bulls starting 5 > Warriors Starting 5

Bench however, the Warriors got that.

[1987_Lakers]

Bulls starting 5 > Warriors Starting 5



I'm not so sure about that. Bogut > Longley. Green > Rodman. Curry > Harper.

It would be interesting to see if or not Golden State dominates Chicago from the 3 point line, the Bulls were a very good 3 point shooting team with the shortened 3 point line, but with the original line they were pretty underwhelming, guys like Harper, Jordan, & Pippen were not really good 3 point shooters.

[sfballa13]

I'm not so sure about that. Bogut > Longley. Green > Rodman. Curry > Harper.

It would be interesting to see if or not Golden State dominates Chicago from the 3 point line, the Bulls were a very good 3 point shooting team with the shortened 3 point line, but with the original line they were pretty underwhelming, guys like Harper, Jordan, & Pippen were not really good 3 point shooters.

A lot of people who compare the 96 Bulls to the Warriors this season forget one key player from the 96 Bulls team, Dennis Rodman

Dennis Rodman was able to neutralize one of the greatest PFs of all time in Karl Malone by getting under his skin. He didn't completely shut him down but he did the best job by far that playoffs and bothered him just enough to win two Finals back to back.

Draymond Green is one of the biggest reasons Golden State is so great this season but he is also a mental midget. Rodman would destroy him mentally and emotionally and the series would then be blown wide open.

Pippen shuts down Curry and if he can't Jordan gets a shot

Who does that leave? Klay, choke when it matters most, Thompson?

Please, i don't give a shit about 3 pt lines being shorter or anything. Even with today's rules, the 96 Bulls still beat Golden State, period.

Curry wouldn't last 25 games in the 90s. Jordan took a beating nightly. If Curry was exposed to that kind of physical abuse he wouldn't be able to suit up let alone dominate. Same goes for Pippen and Rodman. The physical torment they had to endure night in and night out doesn't even compare to what Klay and Draymond Green undergo.

Most posters on here never even watched basketball in the 90s, nearly all of the common dirty shit that went on each game would lead to 3-5 game suspensions in today's NBA. hahaha what a joke some people are

Also who were the best teams the Warriors had to face? The Spurs who routinely sit their players? Jordan n Pippen went up against LEGENDS night in and night out. Magic, Bird, Ewing and JVG's Knicks, Shaq/Penny, Hakeem/Clyde, Malone/Stockton/Horny/Sloan, Prime Alonzo Mourning, the list goes on and on.

Cavs were a joke this year. Who else is left? Spurs and OKC? lol ok. two good teams cool.

[Foster5k]

I got to go with the 96 Bulls.

Jordan is just a monster. I remember when LeBron was scoring pretty much at will vs Golden State in one of those Finals games last year. Imagine if that was Jordan. Jordan would be putting up 60 a game vs the Warriors. Bulls would just keep feeding Jordan and scoring at will. Meanwhile, Pippen would lock up Curry and Jordan would lock up Klay.

72-10 Bulls are a nightmare for the Warriors.

[1987_Lakers]

A lot of people who compare the 96 Bulls to the Warriors this season forget one key player from the 96 Bulls team, Dennis Rodman

Dennis Rodman was able to neutralize one of the greatest PFs of all time in Karl Malone by getting under his skin. He didn't completely shut him down but he did the best job by far that playoffs and bothered him just enough to win two Finals back to back.

Draymond Green is one of the biggest reasons Golden State is so great this season but he is also a mental midget. Rodman would destroy him mentally and emotionally and the series would then be blown wide open.

Pippen shuts down Curry and if he can't Jordan gets a shot

Who does that leave? Klay, choke when it matters most, Thompson?

Please, i don't give a shit about 3 pt lines being shorter or anything. Even with today's rules, the 96 Bulls still beat Golden State, period.

Curry wouldn't last 25 games in the 90s. Jordan took a beating nightly. If Curry was exposed to that kind of physical abuse he wouldn't be able to suit up let alone dominate. Same goes for Pippen and Rodman. The physical torment they had to endure night in and night out doesn't even compare to what Klay and Draymond Green undergo.

Most posters on here never even watched basketball in the 90s, nearly all of the common dirty shit that went on each game would lead to 3-5 game suspensions in today's NBA. hahaha what a joke some people are

Also who were the best teams the Warriors had to face? The Spurs who routinely sit their players? Jordan n Pippen went up against LEGENDS night in and night out. Magic, Bird, Ewing and JVG's Knicks, Shaq/Penny, Hakeem/Clyde, Malone/Stockton/Horny/Sloan, Prime Alonzo Mourning, the list goes on and on.

Cavs were a joke this year. Who else is left? Spurs and OKC? lol ok. two good teams cool.

Statements like these just make you look like an old guy saying "back in my day, blah blah blah". You clearly have no objective opinion on this matter.

Bulls won 72 games in a season where the NBA added 6 teams in a 8 year span, it was a watered down league, Magic and Bird both pointed this out when Chicago won 72.

The only really good team Chicago went up against in the East in '96 was a 60 win Orlando team. The #3 seed was a 52 win Indiana team whos best player was Reggie Miller who never was a superstar, he was just an All-Star type player. The Knicks won 47 games in 1996, the Heat won 42, both teams that you mentioned.

How is that any better than the competition Golden State went up against this year in the West? The Spurs won 67 games, OKC has 2 superstars in Durant and Westbrook, granted the Clippers were without Blake Griffin for most of the year, but the Warriors will most likely play a healthy Clippers team with CP3 & Blake in the 2nd round. That competition right there alone is better than anything the Bulls went up against in the East in 1996.

Get your head out of your ass.

[kamil]

Statements like these just make you look like an old guy saying "back in my day, blah blah blah". You clearly have no objective opinion on this matter.

Bulls won 72 games in a season where the NBA added 6 teams in a 8 year span, it was a watered down league, Magic and Bird both pointed this out when Chicago won 72.

The only really good team Chicago went up against in the East in '96 was a 60 win Orlando team. The #3 seed was a 52 win Indiana team whos best player was Reggie Miller who never was a superstar, he was just an All-Star type player. The Knicks won 47 games in 1996, the Heat won 42, both teams that you mentioned.

How is that any better than the competition Golden State went up against this year in the West? The Spurs won 67 games, OKC has 2 superstars in Durant and Westbrook, granted the Clippers were without Blake Griffin for most of the year, but the Warriors will most likely play a healthy Clippers team with CP3 & Blake in the 2nd round. That competition right there alone is better than anything the Bulls went up against in the East in 1996.

Get your head out of your ass.

In the same breath everyone outside of GSW and SAS suck balls too... you've basically got two teams feasting on the rest of league.

But hey, let's all throw out perspective!

[T_L_P]

I'm not so sure about that. Bogut > Longley. Green > Rodman. Curry > Harper.

It would be interesting to see if or not Golden State dominates Chicago from the 3 point line, the Bulls were a very good 3 point shooting team with the shortened 3 point line, but with the original line they were pretty underwhelming, guys like Harper, Jordan, & Pippen were not really good 3 point shooters.

In before someone tries arguing Dennis Rodman was a better player than Draymond. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

In the same breath everyone outside of GSW and SAS suck balls too... you've basically got two teams feasting on the rest of league.

But hey, let's all throw out perspective!

There are still 4 really good teams in the West. OKC still has a two superstar threat in Durant & Westbrook, & the Clippers were without Blake Griffin for the majority of the year and still won 53 games.

I honestly wouldn't be too shocked if OKC manages to beat the Spurs in the 2nd round, OKC always gives the Spurs major problems.

[1987_Lakers]

In before someone tries arguing Dennis Rodman was a better player than Draymond. :oldlol:

The sad thing is I can see someone seriously arguing '96 Rodman was a better player than current Draymond Green just because it's Rodman. Green is the clear cut better player by a good margin.

[Kingwillball]

96 bulls played with the SHORTENED 3 POINT LINE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Who cares about "hand-checking" when the Warriors would just screen defenders all game? Curry and Klay with an inch of space would CRUSH the shortened three point line.

Warriors win 4-2 series no doubt and Curry would score 40 per game. Obviously Jordan gets his points but no one else on the bulls can score at the rate of the Warriors bombing threes.

Curry just had the highest PPG for any player in 50/40/90 club (Curry was 50/45/91), record in 3PM, leader in PTS (and the lowest MPG among any player in history with at least 30 PPG) AND led the league in Steal and FT%.

Your showing your youth with this post very naive..

[KelticForce1349]

The sad thing is I can see someone seriously arguing '96 Rodman was a better player than current Draymond Green just because it's Rodman. Green is the clear cut better player by a good margin.


I will be that guy for this thread. 96 Rodman is better than current Draymond Green. Flame away...:pimp:

[ballinhun8]

You said the NBA was watered down during that time because 6 teams popped up in an 8 yr soan get referenced the Magic as their toughest opponent.


The Magic were one of those teams.


The Hornets were another who were a perennial foe for the Bulls and a talented squad.
The Heat acquired Hardaway and Zo that year to build the foundation for an elite team
The Raptors were new thst year but hell, they beat the Bulls



And the Grizz and Wolves were out West so who cares about them

[Real Men Wear Green]

72 win teams don't get crushed. 73 win teams don't get crushed either.

[Micku]

72 win teams don't get crushed. 73 win teams don't get crushed either.

What this person said.

[Da_Realist]

I'm not sure they could beat the 96 Magic

[inclinerator]

idk who wins but jordon>>> steven curry

[97 bulls]

The sad thing is I can see someone seriously arguing '96 Rodman was a better player than current Draymond Green just because it's Rodman. Green is the clear cut better player by a good margin.
Talent? I'd agree. Impact? No

[97 bulls]

A lot of people who compare the 96 Bulls to the Warriors this season forget one key player from the 96 Bulls team, Dennis Rodman

Dennis Rodman was able to neutralize one of the greatest PFs of all time in Karl Malone by getting under his skin. He didn't completely shut him down but he did the best job by far that playoffs and bothered him just enough to win two Finals back to back.

Draymond Green is one of the biggest reasons Golden State is so great this season but he is also a mental midget. Rodman would destroy him mentally and emotionally and the series would then be blown wide open.

Pippen shuts down Curry and if he can't Jordan gets a shot

Who does that leave? Klay, choke when it matters most, Thompson?

Please, i don't give a shit about 3 pt lines being shorter or anything. Even with today's rules, the 96 Bulls still beat Golden State, period.

Curry wouldn't last 25 games in the 90s. Jordan took a beating nightly. If Curry was exposed to that kind of physical abuse he wouldn't be able to suit up let alone dominate. Same goes for Pippen and Rodman. The physical torment they had to endure night in and night out doesn't even compare to what Klay and Draymond Green undergo.

Most posters on here never even watched basketball in the 90s, nearly all of the common dirty shit that went on each game would lead to 3-5 game suspensions in today's NBA. hahaha what a joke some people are

Also who were the best teams the Warriors had to face? The Spurs who routinely sit their players? Jordan n Pippen went up against LEGENDS night in and night out. Magic, Bird, Ewing and JVG's Knicks, Shaq/Penny, Hakeem/Clyde, Malone/Stockton/Horny/Sloan, Prime Alonzo Mourning, the list goes on and on.

Cavs were a joke this year. Who else is left? Spurs and OKC? lol ok. two good teams cool.
I couldn't agree more.

[Quickening]

2016 curry is a better player than 96 Mj. The NBA is better overall than 96, and if warriors win the championship, they're a better team than the bulls.

[97 bulls]

I'm not so sure about that. Bogut > Longley. Green > Rodman. Curry > Harper.

It would be interesting to see if or not Golden State dominates Chicago from the 3 point line, the Bulls were a very good 3 point shooting team with the shortened 3 point line, but with the original line they were pretty underwhelming, guys like Harper, Jordan, & Pippen were not really good 3 point shooters.
This is such BS. And I've set you straight on thus so many times. You can't predict the outcomes of a team game based on one on one iso ball. It's a team sport. Luc Longley NEVER HAS TO TRY TO OUTSCORE THE OPPOSING CENTER!!!!!!! That wasn't what he was there for. He was there to make teams pay for doubling off him by hitting the open jumper. And he was great at that. And he was there to play defense obviously.

It's about impact. If Luc Longley gives the Bulls 15 pts and Steph Curry gives the Warriors 23, who had the better game based on impact?????

And let's not forget......the Centers Longley faced we're much better than the Centers Bogut faces today. That has to account for something. Where's the Shaqs? Olajuwan? Ewing?Mourning etc. To name a few.

[97 bulls]

Bulls won 72 games in a season where the NBA added 6 teams in a 8 year span, it was a watered down league, Magic and Bird both pointed this out when Chicago won 72.
The Bulls won 55 games without Jordan pre-expansion. And Kukoc was trying to get used to the NBA game. And. One of their losses was against an expansion team. Hell Rookie Jordan improved the Bulls by 13 games.

[1987_Lakers]

This is such BS. And I've set you straight on thus so many times. You can't predict the outcomes of a team game based on one on one iso ball. It's a team sport. Luc Longley NEVER HAS TO TRY TO OUTSCORE THE OPPOSING CENTER!!!!!!! That wasn't what he was there for. He was there to make teams pay for doubling off him by hitting the open jumper. And he was great at that. And he was there to play defense obviously.

It's about impact. If Luc Longley gives the Bulls 15 pts and Steph Curry gives the Warriors 23, who had the better game based on impact?????

And let's not forget......the Centers Longley faced we're much better than the Centers Bogut faces today. That has to account for something. Where's the Shaqs? Olajuwan? Ewing?Mourning etc. To name a few.

I was just going by who had more talent by position, and the Warriors have the Bulls beat in 3 positions, but I didn't state the Warriors would win because of that.

I think this series would be alot closer than people think. Nostalgia always gets in the way of topics like this. During the mid 90's people complained that the NBA was watered down and there are not alot of super teams like the 80's, but now people look back at the 90's like if it was some sort of glory day.

The same thing will happen to the Warriors, today the older fans when comparing them to other all-time great teams won't give them the credit they deserve if they do win a title, 20 years from now if the Warriors do win a title this year people will look at this Warriors team as legendary & unbeatable.

The point I'm trying to make in this thread is the older posters just need to chill out and get more unbiased, you see older people come out and say the Bulls would sweep, that is ridiculous. Enjoy greatness that is in front of you instead of being a hater.

[97 bulls]

I was just going by who had more talent by position, and the Warriors have the Bulls beat in 3 positions, but I didn't state the Warriors would win because of that.

I think this series would be alot closer than people think. Nostalgia always gets in the way of topics like this. During the mid 90's people complained that the NBA was watered down and there are not alot of super teams like the 80's, but now people look back at the 90's like if it was some sort of glory day.

The same thing will happen to the Warriors, today the older fans when comparing them to other all-time great teams won't give them the credit they deserve if they do win a title, 20 years from now if the Warriors do win a title this year people will look at this Warriors team as legendary & unbeatable.

The point I'm trying to make in this thread is the older posters just need to chill out and get more unbiased, you see older people come out and say the Bulls would sweep, that is ridiculous. Enjoy greatness that is in front of you instead of being a hater.
Evyone is entitled to their opinion. I do feel that under these rules today, this particular matchup would be close. In the 90s? Where teams played more physical? Teams had Centers that defended the paint? I don't see the Warriors winning more thana game. But even then I wouldn't be surprised if it was still close.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

2016 curry is a better player than 96 Mj.



Jordan's points-per-possession in 1996 was basically the same as Curry's this year (124 ORtg to Curry's 125), even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both ends of the floor:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant.

Not that it matters - Jordan had equal points-per-possession in 1991 and 1996 (while carrying the larger load on both ends)






2016 NBA is better than 96


1996 was better at the specific style played back then - teams only attempted 15 threes per game back then - obviously, the Warriors would get destroyed if you limited them to 15 threes per game.

The only reason you think the Warriors are better is because they shoot way more threes, but we don't know how much better the Bulls would've been if they shot 25+ threes per game like today's teams and spaced the floor much more than they did in 1996.

It's intuitive that with MORE spacing like today's teams enjoy, the Bulls would've been even better than they already were.





if warriors win the championship, they're a better team than the bulls.


Will the Warriors face a talent combo like Shaq/Penny in these playoffs?.. Nope - today's game doesn't have 1-2 punch like Shaq/Penny.

And in the Finals, the Warriors will face Cleveland, who doesn't compare to the Sonics' and their big 3 of Payton, Kemp, and Schrempf.

[ShawkFactory]

Who has home court?

Actually doesn't matter. Bulls in 7 either way. Wouldn't bet against Jordan ever.

Both teams are unlike anything the other would have seen. Anyone saying the Bulls would take care of GS easily should reconsider.

They didn't face a player like cury and an offensive machine like the Warriors. And if they did (early 90s Suns and maybe golden state and Charlotte around that same time), those teams couldn't challenge you on the other end like this GS team can.

[Nikola_]

With Curry,u got to touch him up and he is done. This kid is no Iverson
also to be fair they ****ing benefit off of illegal picks like no one in history
nba has become a mockery regarding rules, if it was semi ruled like it should be i have bulls in 6

[3ball]

Who has home court?

Actually doesn't matter. Bulls in 7 either way. Wouldn't bet against Jordan ever.

Both teams are unlike anything the other would have seen. Anyone saying the Bulls would take care of GS easily should reconsider.

They didn't face a player like cury and an offensive machine like the Warriors.


Golden State has never faced a goat offensive team like the Bulls that was ALSO a goat defensive team.

Golden State matches up very poorly with the Bulls.. Jordan gives them a problem.. Who will relieve Klay when he starts getting busted up?... If they move to the slow, mechanical Iggy, Jordan will destroy him and that also leaves no one to guard Pippen - if you go with Barnes on Pip, then Klay doesn't get to play and the Warriors lose one of the keys to their offense.

Btw, here's how powerful the Suns offense was - Jordan averaged 41/9/6 on 51%, Pippen averaged 21/9/6, plus Horace Grant's 11/10, and this was BARELY enough to keep up with the Suns - both teams averaged EXACTLY 113 ppg and 106.7 ORtg for the series.. Except the Suns' stats came against the best defense of all time.
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[CuterThanRubio]

Honestly, playing with a short line might help the Bulls more than it does the Warriors. How much more accurate will Curry be 1 step closer? Probably less benefit than MJ gets shooting short 3's instead of some long 2's

Worst post I've seen in a while.

The Bulls wouldn't be looking for threes if the line was free throw distance.

The Warriors are on a different level.

Curry makes from 30+ with above average accuracy, give him an inch and he's taking a mile!

[atljonesbro]

Evyone is entitled to their opinion. I do feel that under these rules today, this particular matchup would be close. In the 90s? Where teams played more physical? Teams had Centers that defended the paint? I don't see the Warriors winning more thana game. But even then I wouldn't be surprised if it was still close.
Eat your pudding and relive your glory days watching your childhood heroes gramps

[ShawkFactory]

Golden State has never faced a goat offensive team like the Bulls that was ALSO a goat defensive team.

Golden State matches up very poorly with the Bulls.. Jordan gives them a problem.. Who will relieve Klay when he starts getting busted up?... If they move to the slow, mechanical Iggy, Jordan will destroy him and that also leaves no one to guard Pippen - if you go with Barnes on Pip, then Klay doesn't get to play and the Warriors lose one of the keys to their offense.

Btw, here's how powerful the Suns offense was - Jordan averaged 41/9/6 on 51%, Pippen averaged 21/9/6, plus Horace Grant's 11/10, and this was BARELY enough to keep up with the Suns - both teams averaged EXACTLY 113 ppg and 106.7 ORtg for the series.. Except the Suns' stats came against the best defense of all time.
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Stopped reading after the first sentence because: A) I already said the Bulls would win and B) I said BOTH teams are unlike anything the other has seen. Yes, the 96 Bulls are unlike anything the Warriors have seen. Obviously..

[StrongLurk]

People also are underrating the Warriors defense. They were number 1 last year and number two this year.

Also, how can Pippen and Jordan stop Curry when they moment they get screened Curry bombs a three in their face?

I mean really, 16 Curry >>> 96 Jordan. This ain't 89-93 Jordan. Second three peat Jordan was a step below.

[3ball]

This ain't 89-93 Jordan. Second three peat Jordan was a step below.



Jordan's points-per-possession in 1996 was basically the same as Curry's this year (124 ORtg to Curry's 125), even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both ends of the floor:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant..

Not that it matters - Jordan had equal points-per-possession in 1991 and 1996 (while carrying the larger load on both ends)






Also, how can Pippen and Jordan stop Curry when they moment they get screened Curry bombs a three in their face?


Golden State matches up very poorly with the Bulls.. Jordan gives them a problem.. Who will relieve Klay when he starts getting busted up?... If they move to the slow, mechanical Iggy, Jordan will destroy him and that also leaves no one to guard Pippen - if you go with Barnes on Pip, then Klay doesn't get to play and the Warriors lose one of the keys to their offense.

[Da_Realist]

People also are underrating the Warriors defense. They were number 1 last year and number two this year.

Also, how can Pippen and Jordan stop Curry when they moment they get screened Curry bombs a three in their face?

I mean really, 16 Curry >>> 96 Jordan. This ain't 89-93 Jordan. Second three peat Jordan was a step below.

Two different situations. I'd love to see what MJ would do if the defense couldn't touch him and the lane is a freeway with signs pointing to the basket.

[deja vu]

Nobody is crushing anybody. This is not the Warriors vs the Sixers. This is the 73-9 Warriors vs the 72-10 Bulls.

[scandisk_]

Two different situations. I'd love to see what MJ would do if the defense couldn't touch him and the lane is a freeway with signs pointing to the basket.

Mj would feast regardless of defense and era. I say this would be a close match.

[Robalvarez2010]

I was fortunate enough to have been able to watch the Bulls back in the 90's. Who would win between the 96 bulls or 16 warriors is anyone's guess. My personal opinion I would have to go with the 96 bulls. Yes the players from now are more athletic but they cry and wine way too much. There are not too many players from todays game that would be able to handle the physicality from the 90's. The nba from now is way too soft. You stare at someone after you dunk on them you get a technical, also this flopping thing is ridiculous. Jordan now in his 50's would score 40pts easily because of the whole hand checking. I am not taking any credit away from the warriors because you have too still be good to accomplish what they did, but they pretty much have been healthy all year long and there are not too many good teams at the moment. If you watched the Bulls back in the 90's you know what I'm talking about. They played more physical back then. There were better teams as well like Portland, Phoenix, Utah, Seattle , Orlando, Indiana, Knicks, Detroit, Houston, Lakers, ect. just too name a few. The Bulls were not healthy all year long with only two players playing all 82 games. They were jordan and kerr. Pippen played 77, rodman 64, Longley 62 just to name a few. The Bulls were a great perimeter defensive team and no one could stop there triangle offense, and they also had Phil Jackson. That's why the Bulls were so successful to win two three-peats. But in the end this would still be one fun series to watch.

[CuterThanRubio]

No question.

Beverley's dirty tactics and body checking served little resistance to the standard Curry onslaught.

He can get past anyone and shoot over anyone, a shortened line would make the game a Globetrotter-like affair.

[3ball]

some misinformation itt

[Smook A.]

We'll never know... That's the sad part

[3ball]

Warriors beat the Bulls


Bulls were the best perimeter defensive team ever, and went 6/6 playing small ball, so they're ideally suited to beat the Warriors, more than any team in history.

And they only took 5 threes per game in 1991 and 15 per game in 1996 - can you imagine if they took 25+ and spaced the floor much better like today's teams?... :eek:

Plus, the Warriors don't matchup well vs. the Bulls like they did vs. the Cavs:


Lebron plays SF, so Iggy guarded Lebron while Klay remained on the floor and defended the SG - but against the Bulls, Klay must either go to bench when Iggy guards Jordan (which hurts the Warriors' offense), or guard Pippen (which is a mismatch).






a shortened line would make the game a Globetrotter-like


NBA.com's data (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404269) shows that over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with over 4+ feet of room (including 70% of Curry's).

The open nature of today's 3-pointers is important because a shortened 3-point line would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.

[ClipperRevival]

As 2ball said, the Bulls played small ball and way before GSW and won 6 rings. Their bigs were all journeymen type. Their bread and butter as a team was their ultra athleticism at the 2, 3 and 4. They shrunk the court and had the talent to cover the perimeter. GOAT perimeter defensive team ever.

[greymatter]

I will be that guy for this thread. 96 Rodman is better than current Draymond Green. Flame away...:pimp:

Rodman is better at rebounding and post defense (by a small margin). Green is better at every other aspect of the game.

[greymatter]

Under today's rules. The Bulls would struggle to score. Rodman/Longley + 33/32/29% career 3pt shooters = Warriors crowd the paint and force the Bulls to bury 3s or shoot long 2s all day.

Bottom lines:

- Having a team full of bad 3pt shooters in today's league = no chance of winning a title
- Warriors defense would be very effective against the Bulls offense
- Bulls' defense would eventually crumble against the Warriors' offense because there's absolutely nothing Jordan or Pippen can do about Curry when it only takes him 0.3s to shoot off the dribble and bury 30ft shots like they're free throws.
- Bulls need to dominate the boards by at least +15 to have any shot of winning.

Warriors in 5 or 6 (more likely 5). Bulls wins come because they won the rebounding and turnover battle by decent margins.

[sportjames23]

I'm not so sure about that. Bogut > Longley. Green > Rodman. Curry > Harper.

It would be interesting to see if or not Golden State dominates Chicago from the 3 point line, the Bulls were a very good 3 point shooting team with the shortened 3 point line, but with the original line they were pretty underwhelming, guys like Harper, Jordan, & Pippen were not really good 3 point shooters.


:oldlol: GTFO


96 Bulls would crush GS 4-1 in a series. With today's rules benefiting offenses, the Warriors have never seen a defensive team like those Bulls teams. You might say, "If they play with today's rules, that'll benefit the Warriors more".

Think about this: What do you think the greatest offensive weapon in NBA history will do when you can't hand check him? MJ already has the highest ppg average in playoffs/Finals history WITH hand checking and physical play allowed. Take away that and he gonna be eatin good.

Who gonna check Pippen? Who gonna check Kukoc?

Draymond > Rodman? LOL The Worm was the master at getting opposing players to nut up. Draymond already loses his cool with the refs. Rodman will have dude getting ejected.

And Bogut is a serviceable center, but Longley's too big and strong and skilled for him to deal with.

Bulls are too physically and mentally strong for these kids. They won't be facing Lebron and crew. They'll be going up against the GOAT player on the GOAT team from the GOAT era.

[sportjames23]

A lot of people who compare the 96 Bulls to the Warriors this season forget one key player from the 96 Bulls team, Dennis Rodman

Dennis Rodman was able to neutralize one of the greatest PFs of all time in Karl Malone by getting under his skin. He didn't completely shut him down but he did the best job by far that playoffs and bothered him just enough to win two Finals back to back.

Draymond Green is one of the biggest reasons Golden State is so great this season but he is also a mental midget. Rodman would destroy him mentally and emotionally and the series would then be blown wide open.

Pippen shuts down Curry and if he can't Jordan gets a shot

Who does that leave? Klay, choke when it matters most, Thompson?

Please, i don't give a shit about 3 pt lines being shorter or anything. Even with today's rules, the 96 Bulls still beat Golden State, period.

Curry wouldn't last 25 games in the 90s. Jordan took a beating nightly. If Curry was exposed to that kind of physical abuse he wouldn't be able to suit up let alone dominate. Same goes for Pippen and Rodman. The physical torment they had to endure night in and night out doesn't even compare to what Klay and Draymond Green undergo.

Most posters on here never even watched basketball in the 90s, nearly all of the common dirty shit that went on each game would lead to 3-5 game suspensions in today's NBA. hahaha what a joke some people are

Also who were the best teams the Warriors had to face? The Spurs who routinely sit their players? Jordan n Pippen went up against LEGENDS night in and night out. Magic, Bird, Ewing and JVG's Knicks, Shaq/Penny, Hakeem/Clyde, Malone/Stockton/Horny/Sloan, Prime Alonzo Mourning, the list goes on and on.

Cavs were a joke this year. Who else is left? Spurs and OKC? lol ok. two good teams cool.


Or basically this. Summed it right up, bruh. :cheers:

[sportjames23]

2016 curry is a better player than 96 Mj. The NBA is better overall than 96, and if warriors win the championship, they're a better team than the bulls.


There's no version of Bulls MJ Curry is better than.

[Da_Realist]

We all know GS has never faced a team as good defensively, but they've also never faced a team as good offensively. Chicago isn't like these "three or layup" one dimensional teams GS beats on today. Chicago worked the offense and used the whole court to get good shots. They were good at creating mismatches and exploiting them. Don't just look at how sorry defense is today. Watch how pathetic everyone's offense is!

Dumb, stupid and pathetic.

[Quickening]

There's no version of Bulls MJ Curry is better than.

MJ in 95/96 season averaged 29 ppg, 4 assists and 5.6 rebounds on an efg of 52.5%

Curry this season averaged 30 pgg, 7 assists and 5.4 rebounds on an efg of 59.4%.

Oh and Curry played less minutes per game.

Curry statisically blew MJ away, whilst winning more games.

Jordan fans are starting to remind me of Wilt stans, its a shame when your childhood idol gets surpassed.

[swagga]

MJ in 95/96 season averaged 29 ppg, 4 assists and 5.6 rebounds on an efg of 52.5%

Curry this season averaged 30 pgg, 7 assists and 5.4 rebounds on an efg of 59.4%.

Oh and Curry played less minutes per game.

Curry statisically blew MJ away, whilst winning more games.

Jordan fans are starting to remind me of Wilt stans, its a shame when your childhood idol gets surpassed.

so if we account for defense a close to retirement MJ is still better than peak curry. seems right tbh.

[Quickening]

so if we account for defense a close to retirement MJ is still better than peak curry. seems right tbh.

Curry and MJ have similar steals per game, MJ wasn't an amazing defender in 96. So no. The gulf in offence, and spacing created for team mates is too big.

Curry> MJ. I am sorry to say.

[ralph_i_el]

Will the Warriors face a talent combo like Shaq/Penny in these playoffs?.. Nope - today's game doesn't have 1-2 punch like Shaq/Penny.

And in the Finals, the Warriors will face Cleveland, who doesn't compare to the Sonics' and their big 3 of Payton, Kemp, and Schrempf.

1. MJ LOST to Shaq+Penny

and....
Durant/Westbrook?
CP3/Griffin?

LeBron/Irving/Love > Payton/Kemp/Schrempf

[LoneyROY7]

There's no version of Bulls MJ Curry is better than.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dragonyeuw]

MJ in 95/96 season averaged 29 ppg, 4 assists and 5.6 rebounds on an efg of 52.5%



He averaged 30.4 and 6.6 rebounds in 96. Where are you getting 29 and 5.6?

[Da_Realist]

He averaged 30.4 and 6.6 rebounds in 96

...against guys like Shaq camped in the paint.

[Quickening]

He averaged 30.4 and 6.6 rebounds in 96. Where are you getting 29 and 5.6?

Currys efg is actually 63 percent as well not 59.4, must have misread. But either way, Curry> MJ offensively isn't questionable.

[sekachu]

Currys efg is actually 63 percent as well not 59.4, must have misread. But either way, Curry> MJ offensively isn't questionable.




If you believe curry better than MJ, then you must believe curry better than lebron right?

[Quickening]

If you believe curry better than MJ, then you must believe curry better than lebron right?

Yes Curry as a scorer is better than Lebron, he is the best scorer ever. The volumes of threes he takes and hits is testament to that, unguardable.

[3ball]

Currys efg is actually 63 percent as well not 59.4, must have misread. But either way, Curry> MJ offensively isn't questionable.



Curry's advantage in shooting efficiency is erased by his higher turnovers, which reduces the points-per-possession he provides his team.

Jordan provided his team with higher points-per-possession efficiency (ORtg), even though Curry's efficiency was unfairly boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry.

Regardless, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load, which renders all efficiency arguments irrelevant.

Also, Jordan's lower turnovers eliminates Curry's assist edge - essentially, Jordan leads in every category except true shooting, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.
.

[ShawkFactory]

:oldlol: GTFO


96 Bulls would crush GS 4-1 in a series. With today's rules benefiting offenses, the Warriors have never seen a defensive team like those Bulls teams. You might say, "If they play with today's rules, that'll benefit the Warriors more".

Think about this: What do you think the greatest offensive weapon in NBA history will do when you can't hand check him? MJ already has the highest ppg average in playoffs/Finals history WITH hand checking and physical play allowed. Take away that and he gonna be eatin good.

Who gonna check Pippen? Who gonna check Kukoc?

Draymond > Rodman? LOL The Worm was the master at getting opposing players to nut up. Draymond already loses his cool with the refs. Rodman will have dude getting ejected.

And Bogut is a serviceable center, but Longley's too big and strong and skilled for him to deal with.

Bulls are too physically and mentally strong for these kids. They won't be facing Lebron and crew. They'll be going up against the GOAT player on the GOAT team from the GOAT era.
:no:

[guy]

I have my doubts that Steph and Klay would be that much better with the shortened line. They are already ridiculous shooters as it is. Steph arguably may be better from even further away. People are acting like there 45% from 3 would go up to like 60% if it was shortened. I doubt it. The difference would be that everyone else in the league gets to shoot from the shortened distance, and they probably benefit more from that then Steph and Klay would. On top of that the shortened line creates less spacing. So its kind of a flawed argument to assume GS would be better with the shortened line.

[tpols]

I have my doubts that Steph and Klay would be that much better with the shortened line. They are already ridiculous shooters as it is. Steph arguably may be better from even further away. People are acting like there 45% from 3 would go up to like 60% if it was shortened. I doubt it. The difference would be that everyone else in the league gets to shoot from the shortened distance, and they probably benefit more from that then Steph and Klay would. On top of that the shortened line creates less spacing. So its kind of a flawed argument to assume GS would be better with the shortened line.

it would benefit guys like draymond green and iggy tremendously ..

[3ball]

.
Over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)




It makes sense that most 3-pointers are wide open since today's defenses are stretched to the 3-point line and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.



It's easier for 3-point shooters in today's game:


Driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.



Today's higher number of halfcourt 3-pointers slows down pace


3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, previous eras barely shot 3-pointers - instead, they settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.


Better 3-point shooting has allowed drive-and-kick to surpass post-ups


Now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.



Curry's good shooting is an EXCEPTION among the league's top scorers, just like Jordan's would be:


Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40), yet they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had well-documented, goat midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43), which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over Lebron, Westbrook and company.

[guy]

it would benefit guys like draymond green and iggy tremendously ..

Yea sure. Either way, they aren't taking the bulk of those shots. I just don't think the shortened line is really as big of a factor that people are making it out to be. Even Steph has said that he'd rather extend the line cause it basically eliminates so many other 3 pt shooters but it would benefit him.

On a sidenote, people should also realize that the current 3 pt line isn't uniform at all points of the court. It starts off at 22 feet in the corners then gradually increases to 23 ft 9 in at the top of the key. While the shortened 3 pt line was a uniform 22 ft. So the difference isn't as big as people make it out to be.

[3ball]

I have my doubts that Steph and Klay would be that much better with the shortened line.

its kind of a flawed argument to assume GS would be better with the shortened line.


NBA.com's stats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305942&postcount=13) show that over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room.. This makes sense, since today's defenses are stretched out to the 3-point line and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.

[tpols]

Yea sure. Either way, they aren't taking the bulk of those shots. I just don't think the shortened line is really as big of a factor that people are making it out to be. Even Steph has said that he'd rather extend the line cause it basically eliminates so many other 3 pt shooters but it would benefit him.

On a sidenote, people should also realize that the current 3 pt line isn't uniform at all points of the court. It starts off at 22 feet in the corners then gradually increases to 23 ft 9 in at the top of the key. While the shortened 3 pt line was a uniform 22 ft. So the difference isn't as big as people make it out to be.

I would like to see golden state run a small ball lineup that can shoot 40% clip from 3 at every position with that shortened line (teams back then would be lucky to have just one guy who could do this).


something like ..

steph
klay
barnes
iggy
Draymond


bulls have never seen a lineup as versatile as that .. all 5 positions can handle, shoot long range, pass, rebound and defend.

You look at the Bulls frontcourt players / starters like dennis rodman, luc longley, they cant dribble, they cant slash, they cant shoot long range, or pass like golden states can. Theyre very limited niche players.


And thats the difference. I would take mj over curry for his physical toughness, thats about it, but for the rest of these two teams the warriors are far more 3 dimensional.

[Da_Realist]

Chicago could get a quality shot every time down the floor. Especially with these flag football rules.

[Da_Realist]

Has any team forced GS to adjust defensively all year?

[tpols]

Has any team forced GS to adjust defensively all year?

nope.. not once. you're smarter than every coach in the league.

[Dragonyeuw]

I would like to see golden state run a small ball lineup that can shoot 40% clip from 3 at every position with that shortened line (teams back then would be lucky to have just one guy who could do this).


something like ..

steph
klay
barnes
iggy
Draymond


bulls have never seen a lineup as versatile as that .. all 5 positions can handle, shoot long range, pass, rebound and defend.

You look at the Bulls frontcourt players / starters like dennis rodman, luc longley, they cant dribble, they cant slash, they cant shoot long range, or pass like golden states can. Theyre very limited niche players.


And thats the difference. I would take mj over curry for his physical toughness, thats about it, but for the rest of these two teams the warriors are far more 3 dimensional.

The 96 Bulls were never the most 3 dimensional on offense. But that scenario you bring up raises some interesting counters if the Bulls went with a lineup of Harper, MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, and Rodman. Who would defend Kukoc on the perimeter? Anyone but Green would be a mismatch. But then who's doing the rebounding for Golden state? Rodman, Pippen, and MJ kill on the boards in this situation when you remove Green. What stops Harper from posting Steph time and time again? What kind of legs is Klay going to have when he has to try and defend MJ? I suppose you could say chasing Klay around would tire MJ as well, but this is a guy who did play guys like Reggie and Ray Allen. MJ's one of the best ever at extending himself on offense and defense. I'd curious as to what era this game is being played, or are we doing a mismash of rules? The short or long 3point line? Today's perimeter defensive rules or 1996? Because MJ is going to get about 11-12 points a night just off free-throws under today's rules. Actually who is defending the rim for Golden State period? MJ, Pip, and Harper are going to post the hell out of their defenders with no paint presence deterring them.

I think when you line it up that way, the Warriors are going to have a harder time trying to defend higher percentage 2 pointers than the Bulls do defending 3's. And, MJ, Pip, and Kukoc were all good from 3 that year. The shortened line probably helps the Bulls more because you're shrinking the court defensively. End of the day, the idea of either of these teams 'crushing' the other is ridiculous.

[ShawkFactory]

NBA.com's stats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305942&postcount=13) show that over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room.. This makes sense, since today's defenses are stretched out to the 3-point line and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.
In the half court they could just step back those extra 3-4 feet and shoot from where they currently do. Their range is unrivaled.

Where the shortened line would really come into play would be in transition. It'd be a godsend for them.

[Da_Realist]

The 96 Bulls were never the most 3 dimensional on offense. But that scenario you bring up raises some interesting counters if the Bulls went with a lineup of Harper, MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, and Rodman. Who would defend Kukoc on the perimeter? Anyone but Green would be a mismatch. But then who's doing the rebounding for Golden state? Rodman, Pippen, and MJ kill on the boards in this situation when you remove Green. What stops Harper from posting Steph time and time again? What kind of legs is Klay going to have when he has to try and defend MJ? I suppose you could say chasing Klay around would tire MJ as well, but this is a guy who did play guys like Reggie and Ray Allen. MJ's one of the best ever at extending himself on offense and defense. I'd curious as to what era this game is being played, or are we doing a mismash of rules? The short or long 3point line? Today's perimeter defensive rules or 1996? Because MJ is going to get about 11-12 points a night just off free-throws under today's rules. Actually who is defending the rim for Golden State period? MJ, Pip, and Harper are going to post the hell out of their defenders with no paint presence deterring them.

I think when you line it up that way, the Warriors are going to have a harder time trying to defend higher percentage 2 pointers than the Bulls do defending 3's. And, MJ, Pip, and Kukoc were all good from 3 that year. The shortened line probably helps the Bulls more because you're shrinking the court defensively. End of the day, the idea of either of these teams 'crushing' the other is ridiculous.

Plus MJ would force GS to double and that would free everyone else to shoot easier shots.

[tpols]

The 96 Bulls were never the most 3 dimensional on offense. But that scenario you bring up raises some interesting counters if the Bulls went with a lineup of Harper, MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, and Rodman. Who would defend Kukoc on the perimeter? Anyone but Green would be a mismatch.



Iggy could easily defend kukoc on the perimeter .. im guessing you remember the time (http://www.blogabull.com/2015/9/25/9396059/scottie-pippen-annihilation-toni-kukoc-1992-olympics) scottie locked kukoc up. Iguadala is very pippen like in his dimensions and defense and would be a great counter to kukoc game. And on the other end of the court, in half court sets and especially transition I cant see kukoc staying with iggy at all.




But then who's doing the rebounding for Golden state? Rodman, Pippen, and MJ kill on the boards in this situation when you remove Green.




Rodman on green is a very good matchup .. Draymond brings the toughness and strength to bang with Dennis down low, maybe only 85% of what Dennis had but still a good amount, very high energy player. But on the other side of the court is where it gets interesting.. how is dennis rodman, a guy used to guarding big guys and playing low post defense for the bulls going to do when hes drawn out 25 feet from the basket by a guy that can shoot, handle and pass? This didnt exist in the 90s.. PF's were much more one dimensional bruisers back then typically.




MJ, Pip, and Harper are going to post the hell out of their defenders with no paint presence deterring them.



I think when you line it up that way, the Warriors are going to have a harder time trying to defend higher percentage 2 pointers than the Bulls do defending 3's.



I see it as the opposite, the bulls are going to bust their asses trying to post and work hard every possesion for a 2 point bucket, theyre going to hustle fullcourt trying to trap a team that can dribble and pass at every position, and theyre going to be stretched out to 25 feet out at positions that were never accustomed to playing out that far.. this is all going to take a big energy toll on them.

and otoh, weve seen the warriors go on 3 pt shooting sprees w/ consistentcy that are made to look effortless (because they partly are, its unfair the shots they hit from range).




End of the day, the idea of either of these teams 'crushing' the other is ridiculous.


either way I can see it being a good series .. its been the bulls fans mostly that have been running with the whole 90s bulls would just beat them up rhethoric w/ little logic.. but yea it'd be great to see them both compete.

[Da_Realist]

Iggy could easily defend kukoc on the perimeter .. im guessing you remember the time (http://www.blogabull.com/2015/9/25/9396059/scottie-pippen-annihilation-toni-kukoc-1992-olympics) scottie locked kukoc up. Iguadala is very pippen like in his dimensions and defense and would be a great counter to kukoc game. And on the other end of the court, in half court sets and especially transition I cant see kukoc staying with iggy at all.







Rodman on green is a very good matchup .. Draymond brings the toughness and strength to bang with Dennis down low, maybe only 85% of what Dennis had but still a good amount, very high energy player. But on the other side of the court is where it gets interesting.. how is dennis rodman, a guy used to guarding big guys and playing low post defense for the bulls going to do when hes drawn out 25 feet from the basket by a guy that can shoot, handle and pass? This didnt exist in the 90s.. PF's were much more one dimensional bruisers back then typically.









I see it as the opposite, the bulls are going to bust their asses trying to post and work hard every possesion for a 2 point bucket, theyre going to hustle fullcourt trying to trap a team that can dribble and pass at every position, and theyre going to be stretched out to 25 feet out at positions that were never accustomed to playing out that far.. this is all going to take a big energy toll on them.

and otoh, weve seen the warriors go on 3 pt shooting sprees w/ consistentcy that are made to look effortless (because they partly are, its unfair the shots they hit from range).






either way I can see it being a good series .. its been the bulls fans mostly that have been running with the whole 90s bulls would just beat them up rhethoric w/ little logic.. but yea it'd be great to see them both compete.

Chicago wouldn't need to work any harder to get quality shots than they did against anyone else. In fact, it would be easier without having to mud wrestle before catching the ball.

Steph is the only Warrior with excessive range. Chicago would likely concede the 25 foot shots and shut everyone else down. No need to double Steph way out there. They would stay on everyone else and make Steph beat them 4 out of 7 shooting 25 foot shots. Which he wouldn't be able to do because Chicago would be able to get quality shots on every possession. Especially since MJ would force GS to double. Plus, all the posting and triangle action would draw plenty of fouls and allow the Bulls free throws to supplement.

How many And-1's have MJ had in his career? Countless. More deadly than three pointers because they put teams in foul trouble and force them to shuffle their lineup.

[Quickening]

Chicago wouldn't need to work any harder to get quality shots than they did against anyone else. In fact, it would be easier without having to mud wrestle before catching the ball.

Steph is the only Warrior with excessive range. Chicago would likely concede the 25 foot shots and shut everyone else down. No need to double Steph way out there. They would stay on everyone else and make Steph beat them 4 out of 7 shooting 25 foot shots. Which he wouldn't be able to do because Chicago would be able to get quality shots on every possession. Especially since MJ would force GS to double. Plus, all the posting and triangle action would draw plenty of fouls and allow the Bulls free throws to supplement.

How many And-1's have MJ had in his career? Countless. More deadly than three pointers because they put teams in foul trouble and force them to shuffle their lineup.

MJ and ones are more deadly, yet the Warriors are averaging 115 ppg this season. Bulls never got close to that.

GSW ball movement and range would destroy the bulls.

[SwayDizzle]

we are talking about two of the best teams of all time going at it. the winner of this matchup would largely depend on who adjusts sooner to the other's play style. there is a lot of weight on the coach for this. can Kerr outsmart Jackson?

[GrapeApe]

I haven't read through this thread but nobody is crushing the '96 Bulls. As Cosmo Kramer would say, that's kooky talk.

[Dragonyeuw]

Iggy could easily defend kukoc on the perimeter .. im guessing you remember the time (http://www.blogabull.com/2015/9/25/9396059/scottie-pippen-annihilation-toni-kukoc-1992-olympics) scottie locked kukoc up. Iguadala is very pippen like in his dimensions and defense and would be a great counter to kukoc game. And on the other end of the court, in half court sets and especially transition I cant see kukoc staying with iggy at all.


Rodman on green is a very good matchup .. Draymond brings the toughness and strength to bang with Dennis down low, maybe only 85% of what Dennis had but still a good amount, very high energy player. But on the other side of the court is where it gets interesting.. how is dennis rodman, a guy used to guarding big guys and playing low post defense for the bulls going to do when hes drawn out 25 feet from the basket by a guy that can shoot, handle and pass? This didnt exist in the 90s.. PF's were much more one dimensional bruisers back then typically.





I'm sure you'll agree that 96 Kukoc was better than 92 Kukoc, and 92 Pippen was a better defender than Iguadola is( though he's obviously a great defender, he's not on Pippen's level). Pippen had all of Andre's athletic ability with an extra 2 inches of height, so he had enough size to bother Kukoc. Obviously Kukoc isn't going to take Igudola off the dribble, but he has an extra 5 inches of height to shoot right over the top and/or post him which he was capable of doing. In Toni, Scottie, MJ and even Harper using his size if Curry is on him down low, the Bulls have 4 guys who can create some issues in the post depending on the matchups( which is something that the Warriors typically don't face in today's NBA, 3-4 perimeter guys who could post and if you're going to remove Bogut, that takes away any semblance of paint protection. And let's be honest, MJ was doing his thing in an era of centers far more dominant than Bogut). The other thing is, outside of Curry and to a lesser degree Klay, none of the other Warriors need to be guarded at 25 feet. It's really Curry, but just as the Bulls have to figure out the Curry dilemma, the Warriors also need to figure out MJ as well. Both are going to 'get theirs' here.

There's going to be alot of defensive switching as these teams try to outmaneuver each other. Rodman isn't exclusively going to defend Green( nor is Green going to be banging exclusively with Rodman, at some point he's definitely going to take Toni so who will be banging inside with Rodman then?). Scottie may aslo take the Green assignment from time to time. But with Rodman, while he wasn't Pistons Rodman in terms of mobility, was still athletic enough in 96 to take Green in spurts. He was defending power forwards on the Bulls because Pippen was playing and defending the 3, and Rodman had adjusted to defending the 4 and occasionally 5. Kukoc is going to the real defensive liability, but he's going to cause his own issues depending on the matchup and Curry is going to be bullied down low by Jordan and to a lesser degree Harper if they try to exploit the size mismatch. It comes down to who covers up those liabilities the best.

[sd3035]

Bulls were more stacked but Curry is much better than Jordan was, therefore GS in 5 maximum

Curry plays within the flow of the game and makes his team better while MJ was a ballhogging stat padder

The Bulls were only 2 games worse without Jordan, and the ref help they lost with MJ's absence accounted for at least two games

[KlayThompson21]

No disrespect to Jordan the Bulls were almost unbeatable but the Warriors are better. Warriors could win in 5 or 6 games.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's remarkable how similar their built as teams. Probably not coincidental. Full of skilled versatile players who can shoot, and defend. Two very skilled teams, top to bottom.

That '96 Bulls team should've been 73-9 had MJ's game winner in Toronto counted. And they lost 2 or 3 games by a point that they should've won. Golden State also won a number of lucky games this year they should've lost. It's just the way the cookie crumbles. Congrats to them.

If physicality is allowed, GS becomes an easier opponent as they aren't as physical.

If they play with today's rule set? It's a great series. Both teams could get beat. But I have a hard time believing MJ loses. That defensive combo, and small ball lineup of Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc ... that's very much kryptonite to the lineups Golden State could roll out.

[CuterThanRubio]

It's remarkable how similar their built as teams. Probably not coincidental. Full of skilled versatile players who can shoot, and defend. Two very skilled teams, top to bottom.

That '96 Bulls team should've been 73-9 had MJ's game winner in Toronto counted. And they lost 2 or 3 games by a point that they should've won. Golden State also won a number of lucky games this year they should've lost. It's just the way the cookie crumbles. Congrats to them.

If physicality is allowed, GS becomes an easier opponent as they aren't as physical.

If they play with today's rule set? It's a great series. Both teams could get beat. But I have a hard time believing MJ loses. That defensive combo, and small ball lineup of Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc ... that's very much kryptonite to the lineups Golden State could roll out.

What do you mean should have been 73-9?

The clock struck 0.00 once Jordan grabbed the final rebound.

DELUSIONAL!

[SamuraiSWISH]

What do you mean should have been 73-9?

The clock struck 0.00 once Jordan grabbed the final rebound.

DELUSIONAL!
Semantics. It's 20 years ago in my memory bank. The point was the Bulls lost a few games that season they actually should've and could've won. Where as the Warriors won many games this year they should've, and could've very well lost.

Luck played a HUGE role for Golden State this season. Along with an extraordinary top heavy league, some of the worst basketball I've ever seen played and a now watered down Western Conference.

I mean, that Bulls team went to 3x over time games that season. 3 of their 10 losses I think came by just a point.

This Warriors team went to over time 9x times. They had near losses to LAC 2x, OKC 2x, Jazz 2x, Hawks, Celtics, and should've lost to Memphis about a week ago apart from some very liberal officiating to their advantage at the end of a very competitive game.

Context. I watched both.

[zbott]

A lot of people who compare the 96 Bulls to the Warriors this season forget one key player from the 96 Bulls team, Dennis Rodman

Dennis Rodman was able to neutralize one of the greatest PFs of all time in Karl Malone by getting under his skin. He didn't completely shut him down but he did the best job by far that playoffs and bothered him just enough to win two Finals back to back.

Draymond Green is one of the biggest reasons Golden State is so great this season but he is also a mental midget. Rodman would destroy him mentally and emotionally and the series would then be blown wide open.

Pippen shuts down Curry and if he can't Jordan gets a shot

Who does that leave? Klay, choke when it matters most, Thompson?

Please, i don't give a shit about 3 pt lines being shorter or anything. Even with today's rules, the 96 Bulls still beat Golden State, period.

Curry wouldn't last 25 games in the 90s. Jordan took a beating nightly. If Curry was exposed to that kind of physical abuse he wouldn't be able to suit up let alone dominate. Same goes for Pippen and Rodman. The physical torment they had to endure night in and night out doesn't even compare to what Klay and Draymond Green undergo.

Most posters on here never even watched basketball in the 90s, nearly all of the common dirty shit that went on each game would lead to 3-5 game suspensions in today's NBA. hahaha what a joke some people are

Also who were the best teams the Warriors had to face? The Spurs who routinely sit their players? Jordan n Pippen went up against LEGENDS night in and night out. Magic, Bird, Ewing and JVG's Knicks, Shaq/Penny, Hakeem/Clyde, Malone/Stockton/Horny/Sloan, Prime Alonzo Mourning, the list goes on and on.

Cavs were a joke this year. Who else is left? Spurs and OKC? lol ok. two good teams cool.


Gotta agree with this ... Curry is an offensive beast but Pippin and Jordan would have made him work damn hard for his points ... then, more pressure on Klay .... Rodman would have gotten in Green's head too ....

[Dragonyeuw]

Semantics. It's 20 years ago in my memory bank. The point was the Bulls lost a few games that season they actually should've and could've won. Where as the Warriors won many games this year they should've, and could've very well lost.

Luck played a HUGE role for Golden State this season. Along with an extraordinary top heavy league, some of the worst basketball I've ever seen played and a now watered down Western Conference.

I mean, that Bulls team went to 3x over time games that season. 3 of their 10 losses I think came by just a point.

This Warriors team went to over time 9x times. They had near losses to LAC 2x, OKC 2x, Jazz 2x, Hawks, Celtics, and should've lost to Memphis about a week ago apart from some very liberal officiating to their advantage at the end of a very competitive game.

Context. I watched both.

I actually just looked this up on account of this discussion.

3 one point losses
4 six point losses
1 five point loss
1 ten point loss
1 thirty- two point loss

Pretty much got blown out only once the entire year. Golden state got blown out like 5 times this year. Pretty much when they lost, there was no chance in hell of a bounce here or bad call there affecting the outcome.

[Da_Realist]

Gotta agree with this ... Curry is an offensive beast but Pippin and Jordan would have made him work damn hard for his points ... then, more pressure on Klay .... Rodman would have gotten in Green's head too ....

MJ would kill GS's small ball lineup that no one today can match up against. You need someone bigger than Draymond Green down low to protect the rim. He'd get dunked on and get in foul trouble. GS would need Bogut out there most of the game. Yet another way Chicago would force GS's hand rather than the other way around.

[GrapeApe]

Bulls were more stacked but Curry is much better than Jordan was, therefore GS in 5 maximum

Curry plays within the flow of the game and makes his team better while MJ was a ballhogging stat padder

The Bulls were only 2 games worse without Jordan, and the ref help they lost with MJ's absence accounted for at least two games

You obviously didn't see Jordan during either 3-peat if you think he was a ball hogging stat padder.

The Bulls were not "only 2 games worse without Jordan". Without Jordan the Bulls were a second round team. With Jordan they were 6x champions. That's the definition of making your team better.

[CuterThanRubio]

Semantics. It's 20 years ago in my memory bank. The point was the Bulls lost a few games that season they actually should've and could've won. Where as the Warriors won many games this year they should've, and could've very well lost.

Luck played a HUGE role for Golden State this season. Along with an extraordinary top heavy league, some of the worst basketball I've ever seen played and a now watered down Western Conference.

I mean, that Bulls team went to 3x over time games that season. 3 of their 10 losses I think came by just a point.

This Warriors team went to over time 9x times. They had near losses to LAC 2x, OKC 2x, Jazz 2x, Hawks, Celtics, and should've lost to Memphis about a week ago apart from some very liberal officiating to their advantage at the end of a very competitive game.

Context. I watched both.

Blinded by nostalgia!

Your misguided assertion can go both ways, you really don't think the Warriors "should" have lost to teams like Milwaukee and Minnesota?

Nice satire, the NBA was more watered down in 1996 than it is now, you cannot be serious, and based on your previous recollections I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your AMPLIFIED feelings are based on inaccuracies and poor memory/

73-9

They faced tougher competition and if anything they "SHOULD" have won a few more games, but I don't do WHAT IF, I prefer reality!

Keep melting!

[Hotlantadude81]

96 bulls played with the SHORTENED 3 POINT LINE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Who cares about "hand-checking" when the Warriors would just screen defenders all game? Curry and Klay with an inch of space would CRUSH the shortened three point line.

Warriors win 4-2 series no doubt and Curry would score 40 per game. Obviously Jordan gets his points but no one else on the bulls can score at the rate of the Warriors bombing threes.

Curry just had the highest PPG for any player in 50/40/90 club (Curry was 50/45/91), record in 3PM, leader in PTS (and the lowest MPG among any player in history with at least 30 PPG) AND led the league in Steal and FT%.

You do realize GW had trouble beating Lebron and scrubs last year, right?

[SamuraiSWISH]

I actually just looked this up on account of this discussion.

3 one point losses
4 six point losses
1 five point loss
1 ten point loss
1 thirty- two point loss

Pretty much got blown out only once the entire year. Golden state got blown out like 5 times this year. Pretty much when they lost, there was no chance in hell of a bounce here or bad call there affecting the outcome.
I know the first reaction is to say, well he's a Bulls / Jordan stan. And yes, I am. But having watched both teams ... it's very obvious. Also, Dennis Rodman missed a number of games in both '96 and '97 due to suspension.

3x one point losses very easily could've put them at 75 wins.

That wasn't an asinine "shoulda woulda" argument I just made. Same thing happened for the '97 team which won 69 games. They should've actually had about 72 wins.

And I'm not saying Golden State hasn't been dominant. Because, obviously, they have. But luck, and a weak league played a huge role in their success.

I mean, 9 OT GAMES for christ sakes, and they went 7-2 in them. They won like 3 or 4 games this season that Curry sat out. That is a TON of luck, plain and simple.

And like I said, plenty of teams, hell even bad teams had them on the ropes late in game, and due to such bad basketball ... choked away victories. The ball bounced just a few different ways in a number of games this season for GSW and they're not even close to the '96 Bulls record. They actually would be second seed behind San Antonio.

I mean I watched all these teams choke away certain victories v.s. GSW this year:

Clippers - 2x
OKC - 2x
Utah - 2x
76ers - SMH
Boston
Atlanta
Memphis

Might've even been a couple more. And yes, I know luck plays a large factor in any success. But trust me when I say, that Bulls team was more dominant, in a more convincing fashion, even if they won 1 less regular season game.

[guy]

I actually just looked this up on account of this discussion.

3 one point losses
4 six point losses
1 five point loss
1 ten point loss
1 thirty- two point loss

Pretty much got blown out only once the entire year. Golden state got blown out like 5 times this year. Pretty much when they lost, there was no chance in hell of a bounce here or bad call there affecting the outcome.

It should also be noted that teams in general today don't care nearly as much about the regular season as they did before. With such an emphasis on rest, minutes restrictions, sitting out more often with relatively minor injuries and ailments, it's obvious. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it just is what it is. Even though players were less likely to sit out against GS there's definitely less focus and consistency when that's the case. While GS were clearly focused all season with the record in mind. IMO that fact coupled with the point differential makes it less impressive then the Bulls season. Still incredibly impressive nonetheless.

[Dragonyeuw]

I know the first reaction is to say, well he's a Bulls / Jordan stan. And yes, I am. But having watched both teams ... it's very obvious. Also, Dennis Rodman missed a number of games in both '96 and '97 due to suspension.

3x one point losses very easily could've put them at 75 wins.

That wasn't an asinine "shoulda woulda" argument I just made. Same thing happened for the '97 team which won 69 games. They should've actually had about 72 wins.



Rodman missed 18( didn't realize it was that much). But you mention the 97 team, but look at 98. They won 62 games with Scottie missing 38 games. 62 wins was an incredible achievement for that team and easily could have been 70+ as well.

[StrongLurk]

You do realize GW had trouble beating Lebron and scrubs last year, right?

You do realize last year isn't 2016?

You do realize that Jordan choked hard in the playoffs in 1995?

[deja vu]

But they can't crush a 55-win team?

[sportjames23]

But they can't crush a 55-win team?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

16 Cavs officially the greatest team ever now.

[MiseryCityTexas]

A lot of people should be banned in this forum for making dumbass dickriding the new school predictions.

[MiseryCityTexas]

You do realize last year isn't 2016?

You do realize that Jordan choked hard in the playoffs in 1995?


You do realize that there's a justifiable reason why Jordan played like shit in 95. You're just hiding this reason because you're biased as shit.

[I<3NBA]

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[rodman91]

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[fourkicks44]

:roll:

There is some comedic gold in this thread. Here are the highlights:


People also are underrating the Warriors defense. They were number 1 last year and number two this year.

Also, how can Pippen and Jordan stop Curry when they moment they get screened Curry bombs a three in their face?

I mean really, 16 Curry >>> 96 Jordan. This ain't 89-93 Jordan. Second three peat Jordan was a step below.


Under today's rules. The Bulls would struggle to score. Rodman/Longley + 33/32/29% career 3pt shooters = Warriors crowd the paint and force the Bulls to bury 3s or shoot long 2s all day.

Bottom lines:

- Having a team full of bad 3pt shooters in today's league = no chance of winning a title
- Warriors defense would be very effective against the Bulls offense
- Bulls' defense would eventually crumble against the Warriors' offense because there's absolutely nothing Jordan or Pippen can do about Curry when it only takes him 0.3s to shoot off the dribble and bury 30ft shots like they're free throws.
- Bulls need to dominate the boards by at least +15 to have any shot of winning.

Warriors in 5 or 6 (more likely 5). Bulls wins come because they won the rebounding and turnover battle by decent margins.

This guy has me ROLLING:


Curry and MJ have similar steals per game, MJ wasn't an amazing defender in 96. So no. The gulf in offence, and spacing created for team mates is too big.

Curry> MJ. I am sorry to say.

This is perhaps the best analysis:


Yes Curry as a scorer is better than Lebron, he is the best scorer ever. The volumes of threes he takes and hits is testament to that, unguardable.

Damn :roll: