3Ball. Please get us some Gifs of the rough play in the 90s

[TomCat]

Show these kids what real BBall is in the 90s

[3ball]

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Today's perimeter defense is hands-off - the NBA has mandated SPACE between ballhandler and defender, which makes penetration and jumpshooting easier:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-07-2015/KVA0Bm.gif



Compare the flag football shown above, to the real hand-checking of previous eras:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



Here's today's flag football again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



And back to real basketball again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



The remarkable thing is that Curry's good shooting is the EXCEPTION among the league's top scorers:

Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40), yet they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had well-documented, goat midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43), which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over Lebron, Westbrook and company.
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[senelcoolidge]

The game is so spaced out now. Open 3 pointers and open drives to the basket...not really fun.

[TomCat]

Yup. its a boring game with lack of footwork

[jstern]

Since this a 3Ball thread. Maybe an ask 3ball. 3Ball, show us your favorite Jordan gif.

[hitmanyr2k]

Jordan and Pippen simply had to get stronger because they took straight up physical BEATINGS from Detroit in the playoffs. Guards and forwards today don't know how good they have it because most of this stuff wasn't even called flagrant back then. When Jordan or Pippen went to the rim they had to prepare to be head-hunted and fouled hard.

Typical hard Rodman foul
http://i.imgur.com/gSGB6QE.gif

Isiah head-hunting while Rodman has a well-placed knee
to the groin and throws a shot for good measure
http://i.imgur.com/XK9rGZh.gif

Rodman forearm shiver to the back of the neck. Play on.
http://i.imgur.com/RgLV70A.gif

Laimbeer with the elbow smash to Jordan's face. A move
he perfected as if he were going for a shot block lol.
http://i.imgur.com/bkluI6D.gif

Laimbeer with another elbow smash to Pippen's face
and Rodman follows it up with a shove into the stands.

http://i.imgur.com/Ptbd167.gif

[hitmanyr2k]

Aguirre with the forearm to the back and of course Rodman is there
with another well place knee and hip-check for good measure.
http://i.imgur.com/gMkF03j.gif

Another typical Rodman foul
http://i.imgur.com/175myf4.gif

No flagrant on this hit to the head and takedown lol.
That was just a hard playoff foul.
http://i.imgur.com/Wrnh3xG.gif

[3ball]

3Ball, show us your favorite Jordan gif.



In the picture below, weakside 3-point shooters (spacing) have drawn defenders away from the strongside.. If Joakim Noah doesn't leave #20 Mozgov and flood to the strongside, the strongside will only have 2 defenders to contest Lebron.


http://i61.tinypic.com/2z7mnvm.png



Otoh, the 80's and 90's didn't shoot 3-pointers like today's game - those eras didn't have shooters on the weakside (spacing) drawing defenders away from the strongside, so the strongside was already flooded with all 5 defenders.. With all 5 defenders on the strongside and multiple defenders already standing where Joakim Noah flooded to, floods weren't necessary:


https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0BKishrkuHZV0IDK/giphy.gif


Ultimately, spacing causes today's defenders to make extra rotations.. But without that spacing (previous eras), defenders were already in closer proximity and the rotations weren't necessary.

Spacing and defensive movement offset each other, which is why league-wide offensive rating (the stat measuring how hard it is to score) has been stable for 30 years.. Excluding a brief downswing from 1999-2004, ORtg has ranged between 105-108 since 1980, including an all-time high of 108.3 in 2009.. The minor shifts within that 105-108 range are due to style of play differences between the eras that affect inputs to the ORtg calculation, such as offensive rebounding rate and FT rate.

30 years of stable ORtg proves the difficulty of scoring hasn't changed, and the changes in offensive strategy (spacing) and defensive strategy (extra rotations) are offsetting - you either have extra rotations required by spacing and defensive 3 seconds (today's game), or the rotations aren't necessary because there is no spacing or defensive 3 seconds (previous eras).

[NZStreetBaller]

So the era of the 90s hadnt quite picked up the fact that if u space out ur shooters then the defense will open up alot more.

Doesnt sound very smart

[kamil]

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Today's perimeter defense is hands-off - the NBA has mandated SPACE between ballhandler and defender, which makes penetration and jumpshooting easier:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-07-2015/KVA0Bm.gif

Even there LeBron* tried to swat the defender with his stiff arm.

[Mr Feeny]

So the era of the 90s hadnt quite picked up the fact that if u space out ur shooters then the defense will open up alot more.

Doesnt sound very smart

The no hand checking rule makes it easier to create spacing. Do we all have to spell this out for you? Do you lack basic comprehension?

[Nash]

imagine all the 3's that would rain in that 90's defense. Teams were too stupid and bad to develop a 3 point game that we have today.

[3ball]

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Over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)




It makes sense that most 3-pointers are wide open since today's defenses are stretched to the 3-point line and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.



It's easier for 3-point shooters in today's game:


Driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.



Today's higher number of halfcourt 3-pointers slows down pace


3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, previous eras barely shot 3-pointers - instead, they settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.


Better 3-point shooting has allowed drive-and-kick to surpass post-ups


Now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.



Curry's good shooting is an EXCEPTION among the league's top scorers, just like Jordan's would be:


Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40), yet they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had well-documented, goat midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43), which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over Lebron, Westbrook and company.
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[3ball]

Teams were too stupid and bad to develop a 3 point game that we have today.


The Bulls only took 5 threes per game in 1991 and 15 per game in 1996 - can you imagine how amazing they would've been if they took 25+ threes and spaced the floor much better like today's teams?... :eek:

Plus, the Warriors don't matchup well against the Bulls like they did against the Cavs:


Lebron plays SF, so Iggy guarded Lebron while Klay remained on the floor and defended the SG - but against the Bulls, Klay must either go to bench when Iggy guards Jordan (which hurts the Warriors' offense), or guard Pippen (which is a mismatch).





imagine all the 3's that would rain in that 90's defense.


You mean like today's game, where teams shoot more 3-pointers at better efficiency than ever before?

Also, NBA.com's data (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404269) in the previous post shows that over 80% of today's 3-pointers are taken with over 4+ feet of room (including 70% of Curry's).

The open nature of today's 3-pointers is important because a shortened 3-point line (like the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.

[tpols]

So the era of the 90s hadnt quite picked up the fact that if u space out ur shooters then the defense will open up alot more.

Doesnt sound very smart

bingo. and the irony of 3balls constant talk about spacing and physical defense.