3ball

[3ball]

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Over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight)................ 17.2% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight).............41.6% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open).............39.5% (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open)




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)................ 26.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............45.9% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).............24.3% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)




It makes sense that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.



It's easier for 3-point shooters in today's game:


Driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.



Today's higher number of halfcourt 3-pointers slows down pace


3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, previous eras barely shot 3-pointers - instead, they settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.


Better 3-point shooting has allowed drive-and-kick to surpass post-ups


Now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.



Curry's good shooting is an EXCEPTION among the league's top scorers, just like Jordan's would be:


Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40), yet they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had well-documented, goat midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43), which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over Lebron, Westbrook and company.
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[3ball]

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Jordan vs. Curry



Jordan's 1991 regular season was better, and his playoffs were on another level:




PER 100 POSSESSIONS

MJ 91' RS: 42.7 pt.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 st.. 1.4 bk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
SC 16' RS: 42.5 pt.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 st.. 0.3 bk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
MJ 91' PO: 41.8 pt.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 sl.. 1.8 bk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48




^^^ Jordan had a higher Player Efficiency Rating in 1991, and equal points-per-possession in 1991 and 1996, even though Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:




....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)




Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant..

Not that it matters - Jordan had equal points-per-possession in 1991 and 1996 (while carrying the larger load on both ends)
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[inclinerator]

3ball

[Eye Test]

LeBulldozer would break jordan like a twig if they played in the same era

[AirBonner]

Goat poster :applause:

[3ball]

Lebron had no chance in 2015 Finals


The Cavs had no chance with Lebron's defense allowing a 7 ppg role player (Iggy) to be > Curry.. Iggy averaged 17 ppg, so that's a 10 point swing.

But even WITH Lebron's defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, and even WITH Lebron shooting an abysmal 39%, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.





Not much Lebron could've done in 2007 Finals



Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:



Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%



The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:



....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Dirk 2006 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1717/stats/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=1) ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3




Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.






Lebron had no chance in 2007 Finals


Not true - despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.






Lebron had no chance in 2014 Finals


Horseshit - Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3, because he's weak with no perseverance - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.

[3ball]

Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Ultimately, Lebron's reduction of teammates into play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection: MJ's off-ball style got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), so the team plays to capacity and never loses as the favorite, while Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance and losing as the favorite.

[riseagainst]

dafuq is going on?

:biggums:

[3ball]

dafuq is going on?

:biggums:
The mods have limited my posts to 4000 characters, disabled my PM ability, and disabled my ability to edit any previous posts.

So I have to copy and pasta a few quoted posts in here for future use..

[riseagainst]

The mods have limited my posts to 4000 characters, disabled my PM ability, and disabled my ability to edit any previous posts.

So I have to copy and pasta a few quoted posts in here for future use..


:roll:

[bukowski81]

The mods have limited my posts to 4000 characters, disabled my PM ability, and disabled my ability to edit any previous posts.

So I have to copy and pasta a few quoted posts in here for future use..

:applause: :applause: :applause: legend

[Dr Hawk]

The mods have limited my posts to 4000 characters, disabled my PM ability, and disabled my ability to edit any previous posts.

So I have to copy and pasta a few quoted posts in here for future use..

You are a true legend. Just like Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

Keep fighting for your freedom!!!!

[ShawkFactory]

The mods have limited my posts to 4000 characters, disabled my PM ability, and disabled my ability to edit any previous posts.

So I have to copy and pasta a few quoted posts in here for future use..
Haven't you copy and pasted all of these posts in numerous other threads as well?

[r0drig0lac]

The mods have limited my posts to 4000 characters, disabled my PM ability, and disabled my ability to edit any previous posts.

So I have to copy and pasta a few quoted posts in here for future use..
goat

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Haven't you copy and pasted all of these posts in numerous other threads as well?

@Kblaze

[3ball]

Haven't you copy and pasted all of these posts in numerous other threads as well?
Those posts were more than 4000 characters, so I can't repaste them anywhere without reducing them first.

The 2 Lebron posts earlier itt were edited so they were less than 4000..... Only then are the posts usable/re-pastable

[Kblaze8855]

@Kblaze

Of course he has. Many of them. But if I point out how absurd that is....im the dick.

[3ball]

Of course he has. Many of them. But if I point out how absurd that is....im the dick.
Those posts were more than 4000 characters, so I can't repaste them anywhere without reducing them first.

The 2 Lebron posts earlier itt were edited so they were less than 4000..... Only then are the posts usable/re-pastable

I can't repaste any of my previous posts without making sure they're less than 4000 characters first - many of my posts are 10k characters, so yeah, you're an insecure loser that must restrict ISH posters so you feel better

[ShawkFactory]

Those posts were more than 4000 characters, so I can't repaste them anywhere without reducing them first.

The 2 Lebron posts earlier itt were edited so they were less than 4000..... Only then are the posts usable/re-pastable
You've used parts of these posts in other threads then. Which means you have them on some type of document. Which means this thread doesn't need to exist.

[3ball]

You've used parts of these posts in other threads then. Which means you have them on some type of document. Which means this thread doesn't need to exist.
I can't repaste any of my previous posts without making sure they're less than 4000 characters first - many of my posts are 10k characters

so yeah, Kblaze is an insecure loser that must restrict ISH posters that he disagrees, so he can feel better

[ShawkFactory]

I can't repaste any of my previous posts without making sure they're less than 4000 characters first - many of my posts are 10k characters, so yeah, Kblaze is an insecure loser that must restrict ISH posters he disagrees with so he feels better
It could be that.

It could be something else.

Who's to say :confusedshrug:

[Papaya Petee]

If KBlaze deletes this thread then keeps deleting all 3ball threads with this crap I will laugh my ass off :roll: :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Im amused he thinks I determine post length rules and editing ability of specific posters.

[navy]

Im amused he thinks I determine post length rules and editing ability of specific posters.

:oldlol:

[Dr Hawk]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Michael-Jordan-Shrug-After-3-Pointer.gif

[swagga]

Im amused he thinks I determine post length rules and editing ability of specific posters.

why are spammers allowed on the board? you know what I mean, 3ball, stalkerforlife, lebron fam, euroleague (he's cooled of big time, give you props for this one) .. not the once in a blue moon trolling streak from a decent poster.

[swagga]

don't fear 3ball, nobody is gonna delete your posts

https://media.giphy.com/media/123wWqB6uXCAUw/giphy.gif

[fourkicks44]

Free 3ball

[MP.Trey]

Why did you name yourself after a facet in the game which you hate so much?

[3ball]

Why did you name yourself after a facet in the game which you hate so much?
I was being prophetic - I knew 3-point shooting would turn the game I love into fluff

[CuterThanRubio]

You have posted that INCORRECT statistic in EVERY thread you have entered since you first typed it out.

The league average is NOT 80% (You claim that it is "above" 80%, I think you have the 80s and 90s confused for today's league)

Spreading FALSE INFORMATION in a DESPERATE attempt to discredit modern superiority, outrageous!

You are trying to convince us that 321 of Curry's threes were wide open?

Keep dreaming!

You can find contested shot compilations, your BS STATISTIC SKEWING and INABILITY TO PROPERLY INTERPRET DATA is not working!

Find some new material, your spamming is becoming problematic!

[3ball]

Free 3ball



I figured out why the mods limited my characters to 4000 characters or less - it prevents me from linking data in my posts to the source, like this:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713759&postcount=56



Or this:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713728&postcount=54



Or this:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185



Ultimately, the 4000 character limit prevents posters from efficiently sourcing data with links in their posts - it reduces the integrity of all posting.

[3ball]

The league average is NOT 80%



These are NBA.COM'S stats - over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................1.7%................17.2%........ .....41.6%.............39.5%




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%
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[3ball]

The previous post about today's 3-point shooting was exactly 4000 characters - one more character and I can't post it.. But I wanted to include the following in the previous post:

It makes sense that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.

3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, previous eras barely shot 3-pointers - instead, they settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.

Also, today's teams utilize offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before.. Specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.

Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.

[ShawkFactory]

The previous post about today's 3-point shooting was exactly 4000 characters - one more character and I can't post it.. But I wanted to include the following in the previous post:

It makes sense that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line (like what the Bulls had in 1996) would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.

3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, previous eras barely shot 3-pointers - instead, they settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.

Also, today's teams utilize offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before.. Specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.

Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.
I don't think you watch the Warriors.

[CuterThanRubio]

These are NBA.COM'S stats - over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................1.7%................17.2%......... ....41.6%.............39.5%




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS ................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%
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No.

That information is INCORRECT.

The team with the most WIDE OPEN 3pt attempts is the Atlanta Hawks, and the frequency is 19.4 percent.

Golden State is second at 14.1, so how is Steph wide open 70% of the time if the team as a whole is only wide open 14.1 percent of the time?

It's so obvious that you have NEVER sat through an entire basketball game, whether it be in person or on the couch.

You sit and review youtube highlights and read articles, you have ZERO credibility!

[gcvbcat]

are you a guy or a girl?

also, does your profession involve creating presentations on PPT or something? the reason I ask is that you present all these statistics in your posts & all the headings & data under them are aligned properly, the fonts always match, the colors....it is all very good.

my last job required me to prepare presentations on PPT but I struggled with aligning everything properly.

thanks.

btw, prince is dead...he was very atheletic & played basketball...probably a fan of t'wolves.

[3ball]

The team with the most WIDE OPEN 3pt attempts is the Atlanta Hawks, and the frequency is 19.4 percent.

Golden State is second at 14.1 percent, so how is Steph wide open 70% of the time if the team as a whole is only wide open 14.1 percent of the time?


The stats you referenced was the percentage of TOTAL shots that were open 3-pointers - the stats I posted was the percentage of 3-pointers that were open 3-pointers.

get it?

Over 80% of the league's 3-pointers were "open" (4-6 ft), or "wide open" (6+ ft), as described by NBA.COM.. For Curry, over 70% of his threes were "open" or "wide open".