Can 6'5" Draymond Green guard/defend Wilt Chamberlain?

[Lebron23]

Wilt Chamberlain vs. a 6'5" modern Center. How many points would Wilt average against these Warriors teams.

[Cocaine80s]

Draymond is only 6'3.5 without shoes and yes he would

[LAZERUSS]

If a prime Wilt could averaged 40 ppg against a peak Russell and his swarming Celtics...well, I'm sorry, but Draymond would be just another road-kill in Chamberlain's rear-view mirror.

[Nick Young]

It would be like Muggsy Bogues trying to guard Prime Shaq.

[ClipperRevival]

Some people don't realize just how mammoth he was. He is one of the few humans ever to match Shaq's sheer size. 7'1" without shoes and 310 lbs later in his career. He was truly a mammoth human being and not your run of the mill 240 lb 7 footer. He had a freakish winspan too and unbelievable athleticism. He would dominate in any era. He would literally dwarf Green.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He'd do a respectable job but he's too short
Ilt had a prehistoric postgame tho just watch the vids on it shits embarrassing:lol

[LeFraud James]

Can LeBron23 stop posting shit threads?

[GOATJono]

No bloody way.

[PHILA]

He would get physically outmatched. He seems similar to Gus Johnson in many areas. Terrific player, but he doesn't want to physically get into it vs. Wilt or Luke Jackson. That would backfire on him & the Warriors. :no:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHYWXpHEvr4



Ilt had a prehistoric postgame tho just watch the vids on it shits embarrassing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Np29MW_XN8&t=9m9s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3KfhYRtG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kWFTGzJJ_g

[Sarcastic]

Draymond wouldn't be able to guard Brad Daugherty. He's extremely lucky he gets to play in such a weak era.

[PHILA]

Some people don't realize just how mammoth he was. He is one of the few humans ever to match Shaq's sheer size.

http://s23.postimg.org/71xp73bpn/6b_Hd_Bf9.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/dq3zs33ez/Vt5_GVoz.jpg

[JohnMax]

regular season = Wilt averages 50ppg vs Draymond

playoffs = Wilt averages 10ppg on 30%fg while his stans make excuses on how he didn't have help.

[DCL]

wilt would score about 160 points on draymond green. 40 per quarter.

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron23, you're a better poster than to ask such a question.

[feyki]

If Rodman and Ben can guarded Shaq , why Dray wouldn't guard Wilt ?

[Gileraracer]

Wilt played against midgets who couldn't dribble without looking at the floor. He would get crushed in todays league. Poor mans DeAndre Jordan

[G0ATbe]

If he can guard Dwight, he can guard Wilt.

[IGOTGAME]

If Rodman and Ben can guarded Shaq , why Dray wouldn't guard Wilt ?

they couldn't guard prime Shaq

[feyki]

they couldn't guard prime Shaq

They did , there's no fairytale here .

[k0kakw0rld]

Wilt Chamberlain vs. a 6'5" modern Center. How many points would Wilt average against these Warriors teams.
He will average 60 ppg

Bogut is no Russell, hell :no: Draymond who? guarding who? Wilt :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

They did , there's no fairytale here .

First of all, Big Ben was destroyed by Shaq in the '04 Finals. The Pistons put him one-on-one against Shaq in a couple of games, and O'Neal hung two huge games. Overall... 27 ppg on a .631 FG%. The reality was, Shaq was poorly coached in that series, and instead PJ had Kobe shot-jacking the team right down the toilet.

Secondly, Chamberlain didn't need to steam-roll his opposing centers. He could, of course (albeit the NBA would have created yet another anti-WILT rule had he tried it), he was more of a finesse player, than a battering ram.

People forget that a prime mid-60's Wilt had excellent range, with a variety of moves, and with exceptional quickness. There was a reason Wilt could easily score 50 on Russell. He was simply unstoppable. Russell, himself, needed a TON of help in just trying to hold Wilt into the 30's.

No way Draymond, one-on-one, would have a prayer. He would watch helplessly as Wilt scored 60, and foul out in the process.

[Pointguard]

Wilt was one of the few centers that was a natural scorer. Wilt scored 40ppg over seven seasons because he a natural way with scoring due to a variety of scoring resources and his ability to score frequently and consistently with teams taking away one of his main resources. He could get hoops with jumpshots, dips, dunks, fadeaways, bankshots, hooks, midrange, off the dribble, half court game, running game, countermoves, finesse, power game, athletic points, creativity, skill points, etc. Of the centers, I only see, Hakeem, Kareem, McAdoo and Wilt as natural scorers.

Lebron is a classic natural scorer. He was most likely to outscore anybody for 7 years and you really can't say how it was going to happen, even if his shot was off or if his scoring skills weren't all there. Prime, Lebron could kill Dramond Green, even with his shot off and driving game sloppy, because he's a natural scorer. Best example of a natural scorer is Adrian Dantley who had no little next to no physical advantages and relied very little on shooting skills but still had five 30ppg seasons while never shooting below 55%.

Its all about how good you can go to plan B,C and D. So with great scores its just talk with one player guarding them. Especially great natural scorers who can naturally adapt to the second defender, much less the first. DH isn't a resourceful scorer at all. In fact its 50/50 if he will show up.

[Psileas]

This is the same troll who estimated that Lisa Leslie could play in the 60's NBA and, despite posting in one of the most troll-infested NBA boards in the internet, still got burned in his own stupid thread, right? :oldlol:

[oarabbus]

Draymond. Can't guard Boban marjanovic eirher, the guy is bigger than Wilt. You can cherry pick it to make any era look good or bad.

[jongib369]

http://s23.postimg.org/71xp73bpn/6b_Hd_Bf9.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/dq3zs33ez/Vt5_GVoz.jpg
Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing jump ball. Shaq rookie highlights at MSG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6xJjRjI9NY

[Lebron23]

This is the same troll who estimated that Lisa Leslie could play in the 60's NBA and, despite posting in one of the most troll-infested NBA boards in the internet, still got burned in his own stupid thread, right? :oldlol:


Why are you insecure old man? Wilt is a career 18 ppg scorer in the NBA Finals. And his numbers dropped in the playoffs and post season.

[scandisk_]

A role player vs a GOAT calibre player

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nezty]

One of my boys said Draymond Green can stop Shaq. :facepalm :roll:

[swagga]

going at this rate some of today's 9th grader PGs will be dubbed the shaq-stoppers in the next 10 years.

[LAZERUSS]

Why are you insecure old man? Wilt is a career 18 ppg scorer in the NBA Finals. And his numbers dropped in the playoffs and post season.

Wilt averaged 18 ppg in his '67 and '72 FMVP's (Yes, he would have won a unanimous FMVP in '67 had the award existed.) Overwhelmed his HOF opposition in both.

But a better question for you...

Could Cousy have defended Lebron?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[Lebron23]

Wilt averaged 18 ppg in his '67 and '72 FMVP's (Yes, he would have won a unanimous FMVP in '67 had the award existed.) Overwhelmed his HOF opposition in both.

But a better question for you...

Could Cousy have defended Lebron?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg


2011 series was the only time Lebron under performed in the NBA Finals. He's always been a good to great Finals performer.

[LAZERUSS]

2011 series was the only time Lebron under performed in the NBA Finals. He's always been a good to great Finals performer.

He was awful in '07, as well.

Of course you made the claim that Wilt's numbers dropped in his post seasons.

The ONLY poor series that Chamberlain played in was his '69 Finals, and he STILL outplayed HOFer and Top-5 GOAT Russell.

Idiots claiming that Wilt under-performed because of a slight drop from his regular season. E.G., going from 50 all the way down to 34 (and against a GOAT center and TEAM.) How many other players have hung a 34-27 series?

[Uncle Drew]

Regular season PPG -- Playoffs PPG
37.6 -- 33.2 (-4.4)
38.4 -- 37.0 (-1.4)
50.4 -- 35.0 (-15.4)
44.8 -- Missed Playoffs
36.9 -- 34.7 (-2.2)
34.7 -- 29.3 (-5.4)
33.8 -- 28.0 (-5.8)
24.7 -- 21.7 (-3.0)
24.3 -- 23.7 (-0.6)
20.5 -- 13.9 (-6.6)
27.3 -- 22.1 (-5.2)
20.7 -- 18.3 (-2.5)
14.8 -- 14.7 (-0.1)
13.2 -- 10.4 (-2.8)

Wilt the Stilt.

[Uncle Drew]

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In the Game 5, Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In game 7, Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in game 2. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Divisional Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Divisional Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-68 (41.2%)

1965 Divisional Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1962 Divisional Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. Wilt did not manage to score more than 35 points in any game of this series. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

[LAZERUSS]

Regular season PPG -- Playoffs PPG
37.6 -- 33.2 (-4.4)
38.4 -- 37.0 (-1.4)
50.4 -- 35.0 (-15.4)
44.8 -- Missed Playoffs
36.9 -- 34.7 (-2.2)
34.7 -- 29.3 (-5.4)
33.8 -- 28.0 (-5.8)
24.7 -- 21.7 (-3.0)
24.3 -- 23.7 (-0.6)
20.5 -- 13.9 (-6.6)
27.3 -- 22.1 (-5.2)
20.7 -- 18.3 (-2.5)
14.8 -- 14.7 (-0.1)
13.2 -- 10.4 (-2.8)

Wilt the Stilt.

Wow...declines WITH 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg post-seasons! And facing Russell EIGHT times, and Thurmond three times. As well as having 11 of his 29 post-season series post-injury.

Of course, MJ's numbers declined considerably against the Bad Boys; Shaq's numbers declined considerably against the Robinson-led Spurs; and KAJ's fell off the cliff against Wilt and Thurmond. How come?

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt averaged 50 points per game in the 1962 season, only to score 22 in game 7 of the Divisional Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In the Game 5, Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In game 7, Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in game 2. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1968 Divisional Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1966 Divisional Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-68 (41.2%)

1965 Divisional Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1962 Divisional Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. Wilt did not manage to score more than 35 points in any game of this series. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

We'll start here. Chamberlain had back-to-back games of 42 and 41 in that series, and badly outscored, outrebounded, and outshot Russell. In fact, he slaughtered him. And he carried essentially the same last place roster he inherited his rookie season, to a game seven, two point loss, against a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics team that was favored in EVERY game of that series.

[Uncle Drew]

against a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics team that was favored in EVERY game of that series.
Because Wilt didn't play with any HOF players, right?

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt in game 7's against the Celtics:

1962: Wilt scored 22 pts; Jones scores 28 pts (Wilt's 50.4 ppg season)
1965: Wilt scored 30 pts; Jones scores 37 pts Wilt 6-13 FT. 1 point loss.
1968: Wilt scored 14 pts; Jones scores 22 pts Wilt 6-15 FT. 4 point loss.
1969: Wilt scored 18 pts; Jones scores 24 pts (and it was his last career NBA game. ) Wilt 4-13 FT. 2 point loss.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt averaged 50 points per game in the 1962 season, only to score 22 in game 7 of the Divisional Finals.

And newspaper recaps claimed that Wilt's DEFENSE nearly won that game. And again, took a last place roster to a game seven, two point loss against a team with seven HOFers, and a GOAT-level center, whom, he demolished in that series.

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt Chamberlain stopped playing defense if he got in foul trouble, to protect his never fouling out gimmick.

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt in Game 7s
'70 Finals, Game 7: 1-11
'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 ...(2 point loss)
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 ...(4 point loss)
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 ...(1 point loss)
'64 Div Semifinals, Game 7: 1-6
'62 Divisional Finals, Game 7: 8-9

Total: 26-67, 38.8%

Wilt in the Playoffs
757-1627, 46.5%

Wilt in the Finals
124-326, 38.0%

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt in game 7's against the Celtics:

1962: Wilt scored 22 pts; Jones scores 28 pts (Wilt's 50.4 ppg season)
1965: Wilt scored 30 pts; Jones scores 37 pts Wilt 6-13 FT. 1 point loss.
1968: Wilt scored 14 pts; Jones scores 22 pts Wilt 6-15 FT. 4 point loss.
1969: Wilt scored 18 pts; Jones scores 24 pts (and it was his last career NBA game. ) Wilt 4-13 FT. 2 point loss.

WTF does Sam Jones have to do with Wilt?

BTW, Chamberlain outscored Jones in their '60, '62, '64, '65, '65, and '67 H2H series.

[Uncle Drew]

WTF does Sam Jones have to do with Wilt?
I don't know. Perhaps Wilt led the league in scoring in the regular season, only to be outscored by others in the playoffs? Just a thought.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt in Game 7s
'70 Finals, Game 7: 1-11
'69 Finals, Game 7: 4-13 ...(2 point loss)
'68 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-15 ...(4 point loss)
'65 Div Finals, Game 7: 6-13 ...(1 point loss)
'64 Div Semifinals, Game 7: 1-6
'62 Divisional Finals, Game 7: 8-9

Total: 26-67, 38.8%

Wilt in the Playoffs
757-1627, 46.5%

Wilt in the Finals
124-326, 38.0%

Wilt in his 37 "must win" and "series-clinching" playoff games...

29.9 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.2 apg, and .546 FG%.

All while just DESTROYING his HOF peers.

GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Living Being]

http://s23.postimg.org/71xp73bpn/6b_Hd_Bf9.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/dq3zs33ez/Vt5_GVoz.jpg

In the bottom pic it looks like the lower half (from the nose down) of Shaq's face was enlarged with Photoshop.

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt in game 7's:
1962 G7 vs Celtics L
1964 G7 vs. Hawks W
1965 G7 vs. Celtics L
1968 G7 vs Celtics L
1969 G7 vs. Celtics L
1970 G7 vs. Suns W
1970 G7 vs. Knicks: L

2-5

[LAZERUSS]

I don't know. Perhaps Wilt led the league in scoring in the regular season, only to be outscored by others in the playoffs? Just a thought.

So Jones outscoring a Wilt in their '68 and '69 playoff H2H's, and in seasons in which Chamberlain had no desire to lead the league (or post-season) in scoring, has any relevance?

Of course, Chamberlain oustcored Jones in their '60, '62, '64, '65, 66, and '67 playoff series H2H's, and in some, by huge margins.

Thanks for bringing up that worthless point, though.

[Uncle Drew]

Of course, Chamberlain oustcored Jones in their '60, '62, '64, '65, 66, and '67 playoff series H2H's, and in some, by huge margins.
Yet he lost most, if not all, of them. Good for Wilt.

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt Chamberlain got so obsessed with assists, he would pass up open lay ups to his teammates to get assists. Of course, if they'd miss the shot, he'd fume at them.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt in game 7's:
1962 G7 vs Celtics L
1964 G7 vs. Hawks W
1965 G7 vs. Celtics L
1968 G7 vs Celtics L
1969 G7 vs. Celtics L
1970 G7 vs. Suns W
1970 G7 vs. Knicks: L

2-5

Wilt in best-of-series... (best of three, best of five, and best of seven)...

6-5.

[Uncle Drew]

Chamberlain ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlain ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain ppg in Finals: 18.6

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Chamberlain got so obsessed with assists, he would pass up open lay ups to his teammates to get assists. Of course, if they'd miss the shot, he'd fume at them.

And he led them to a runaway best record in the league that year, too.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlain ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain ppg in Finals: 18.6

Dominant in all.

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt in best-of-series... (best of three, best of five, and best of seven)...

6-5.
:roll:

Something to be proud of really. :applause:

[Uncle Drew]

Dominant in all.
2-4.

[Uncle Drew]

And he led them to a runaway best record in the league that year, too.
And he lost game 7 against the Celtics that year, too.

[LAZERUSS]

Yet he lost most, if not all, of them. Good for Wilt.

John Wooden:

"Had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings."

[Uncle Drew]

John Wooden:

"Had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings."
But he didn't.

Wilt: 2
Russell: 11

[Uncle Drew]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XK60DVICH5k/VNrlWKmml2I/AAAAAAAAA8c/bA9F6ynv_sM/s1600/G3%2B1962.png

[Uncle Drew]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Byq2PAk76N0/VNrg2mH94rI/AAAAAAAAA8I/J6Ib6RF_q0o/s1600/G5%2B1962.png

[Uncle Drew]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PtCFZNq_Xuk/VNrg2cHXfkI/AAAAAAAAA8E/SRfPPtPpzXo/s1600/G1%2B1962.png

[LAZERUSS]

And he lost game 7 against the Celtics that year, too.

Who would have known that Wilt having his teammates take all those shots during the regular season that they would suffer so many injuries in that post-season, right?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328011&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328006&postcount=13

[QUOTE]DELAWARE COUNTY - April 4, 1968

There they are

[LAZERUSS]

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

Chamberlain shot 16-31, Russell shot 7-22, and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a 40-98 to 20-85 margin.

Chamberlain SLAUGHTERED Russell in EVERY aspect of that game.

[Uncle Drew]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Chamberlain shot 16-31, Russell shot 7-22, and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a 40-98 to 20-85 margin.

Chamberlain SLAUGHTERED Russell in EVERY aspect of that game.
''When the issue was no longer in doubt.''

Wilt the statpadder. :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

''When the issue was no longer in doubt.''

Wilt the statpadder. :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

No such a thing my friend.

Chamberlain murdered Russell in that game too, and his team was down by 20 points in the 4th quarter.

[Uncle Drew]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

No such a thing my friend.

Chamberlain murdered Russell in that game too, and his team was down by 20 points in the 4th quarter.That's a regular season game. :roll: :roll:

[feyki]

Was there any player dropped his game as 28 points in a game 7 , other than Wilt in history ?

[LAZERUSS]

Was there any player dropped his game as 28 points in a game 7 , other than Wilt in history ?

Was there any other player who ever averaged 50 in the regular season?

Or outscored a Top-5 GOAT by 42-9 and outrebounded him by a 37-20 margin in a game in that same series?

Or took a roster, the core of which was the same last place roster he had inherited two years earlier, to a game seven, two point loss, against a stacked 60-20 team. Oh, and also scored Philly's last five points in that game seven, to tie the score, before Sam Jones hit the game winner?

And, as the recaps showed, DOMINATED the game DEFENSIVELY?


Or later on would take a team that had gone 34-46 the year before he arrived, to a game seven, one point loss, against a peak Celtics team that had gone 62-18, and with a peak Russell? And did so with a 30-31 .555 series in which he trashed Russell in every facet of the game?

Or a couple of years later, and FINALLY with a roster that EQUALLED Russell's, and then proceeded to slaughter a helpless Russell, and his eight-time defending champs with arguably the greatest beatdown ever administered by one GOAT upon another?

[LAZERUSS]

That's a regular season game. :roll: :roll:

So using your logic, if Wilt's team is down by 15 points at halftime, then he should just pack it in, right? Instead of crushing Russell in the second half like he did.

Makes perfect sense. Russell gets credit for a "win" when he held Wilt down for a half (or even a quarter), in games in which Chamberlain overwhelmed him.

I wonder how many "wins" Wilt would have had in these H2H's, had Russell's teammates been outshot from the field by margins of 40-98 to 20-85?

[Mr Feeny]

Was there any player dropped his game as 28 points in a game 7 , other than Wilt in history ?

He's a choker. A quintessential si-ssy.
His ppg drop when it counts. 22 in the playoffs and an even more pathetic 18 ppg in finals.

To answer your question, no there hasn't. Because there hasn't been a bigger choker r
In the history of the sport.

[LAZERUSS]

He's a choker. A quintessential si-ssy.
His ppg drop when it counts. 22 in the playoffs and an even more pathetic 18 ppg in finals.

To answer your question, no there hasn't. Because there hasn't been a bigger choker r
In the history of the sport.

Unquestionably your boy Lebron.

Outplayed by JJ Barea.

[Uncle Drew]

So using your logic, if Wilt's team is down by 15 points at halftime, then he should just pack it in, right? Instead of crushing Russell in the second half like he did.

Makes perfect sense. Russell gets credit for a "win" when he held Wilt down for a half (or even a quarter), in games in which Chamberlain overwhelmed him.

I wonder how many "wins" Wilt would have had in these H2H's, had Russell's teammates been outshot from the field by margins of 40-98 to 20-85?
You really are mentally challenged. All the time Wilt gets called out for being a playoff choker, and yet here you are coming up with irrelevant regular season games. :hammerhead:

[LAZERUSS]

You really are mentally challenged. All the time Wilt gets called out for being a playoff choker, and yet here you are coming up with irrelevant regular season games. :hammerhead:

Did you even read the post of mine that you quoted?

THAT WAS a PLAYOFF game you idiot.

Chamberlain slaughtered Russell in that game. just downright embarrassed him. BUT, as was USUALLY the case, Russell's VASTLY SUPERIOR teammates outplayed Wilt's. The result...a seven game seven, two point win by a heavily-favored Celtics team that was favored in EVERY game.

Of course, when Wilt was given an equal supporting cast, that was healthy...well, he and his Sixers just carpet-bombed Russell and his eight-time defending champs.

Wilt "choked" alright...to the tune of heavily outscoring, outrebounding, and ousthooting Russell from the floor in their eight post-season H2H's.

[Uncle Drew]

Did you even read the post of mine that you quoted?

THAT WAS a PLAYOFF game you idiot.

Chamberlain slaughtered Russell in that game. just downright embarrassed him. BUT, as was USUALLY the case, Russell's VASTLY SUPERIOR teammates outplayed Wilt's. The result...a seven game seven, two point win by a heavily-favored Celtics team that was favored in EVERY game.

Of course, when Wilt was given an equal supporting cast, that was healthy...well, he and his Sixers just carpet-bombed Russell and his eight-time defending champs.

Wilt "choked" alright...to the tune of heavily outscoring, outrebounding, and ousthooting Russell from the floor in their eight post-season H2H's.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

This is not a playoff game.

[Uncle Drew]

Wilt "choked" alright...to the tune of heavily outscoring, outrebounding, and ousthooting Russell from the floor in their eight post-season H2H's.
The issue never was outscoring Russell, it's the dropoff. God, you're special.

Regular season PPG -- Playoffs PPG
37.6 -- 33.2 (-4.4)
38.4 -- 37.0 (-1.4)
50.4 -- 35.0 (-15.4)
44.8 -- Missed Playoffs
36.9 -- 34.7 (-2.2)
34.7 -- 29.3 (-5.4)
33.8 -- 28.0 (-5.8)
24.7 -- 21.7 (-3.0)
24.3 -- 23.7 (-0.6)
20.5 -- 13.9 (-6.6)
27.3 -- 22.1 (-5.2)
20.7 -- 18.3 (-2.5)
14.8 -- 14.7 (-0.1)
13.2 -- 10.4 (-2.8)

[deja vu]

Green can guard Wilt but he'd get absolutely destroyed.

But Wilt was a choker so Green might have a chance to limit Wilt.

[LAZERUSS]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196202090BOS.html

This is not a playoff game.

BUT, the game you cited Russell as having outplayed Wilt...it was a 15 point game at the half. Again, what was Wilt supposed to do in the second half? just lie down? Instead, he murdered Russell, just like he did in their close games...whether wins or losses.

BTW, in game two of the '62 EDF's, the Celtics led by 10 points with five minutes to play. Chamberlain engineered a huge comeback win...in a game in which he outscored Russell, 42-9.

[LAZERUSS]

The issue never was outscoring Russell, it's the dropoff. God, you're special.

Regular season PPG -- Playoffs PPG
37.6 -- 33.2 (-4.4)
38.4 -- 37.0 (-1.4)
50.4 -- 35.0 (-15.4)
44.8 -- Missed Playoffs
36.9 -- 34.7 (-2.2)
34.7 -- 29.3 (-5.4)
33.8 -- 28.0 (-5.8)
24.7 -- 21.7 (-3.0)
24.3 -- 23.7 (-0.6)
20.5 -- 13.9 (-6.6)
27.3 -- 22.1 (-5.2)
20.7 -- 18.3 (-2.5)
14.8 -- 14.7 (-0.1)
13.2 -- 10.4 (-2.8)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You realize that in HALF of Wilt's playoff series, he scored more against that same team, then he did in his regular season match-ups against them?

For instance, he scored MORE ppg against Russell in FOUR of their eight playoff series H2H's.

[Uncle Drew]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You realize that in HALF of Wilt's playoff series, he scored more against that same team, then he did in his regular season match-ups against them?

For instance, he scored MORE ppg against Russell in FOUR of their eight playoff series H2H's.
Chamberlain ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlain ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain ppg in Finals: 18.6

[Uncle Drew]

“Wilt’s first nine offensive seasons were unlike anything that’s happened before or since. He averaged 37.6 points and 27.6 rebounds as a rookie, then 38.4 and 27.2; 50.4 and 25.7; 44.8 and 24.3; 36.9 and 22.3; 34.7 and 22.9; 33.5, 24.6 and 5.3 assists in ’66; 24.1, 24.2 and 7.8 with a record 68.3% FG shooting in ’67; and 24.3, 23.8 and a league-leading 8.6 assists in ’68. For his career, he averaged 30.1 points, 22.9 rebounds and 4.4 assists in the regular season. On paper, it’s staggering.20 Russell’s career offensive numbers can’t compare except for rebounds—he averaged 15.1 points, 22.5 boards and 4.3 assists per game, peaking in 1960 (18.2 points, 24.0 rebounds) and 1964 (15.0 points, 24.7 rebounds and 4.7 assists). In their head-to-head matchups, Wilt handed it to Russ statistically, although Auerbach and the old Celtics swear that Russ played possum for three quarters, allowed Wilt to accumulate stats and then smothered him in the fourth; he’d also relax during blowouts and allow meaningless numbers that didn’t matter (knowing that Wilt was obsessed with stats). Rus“sell played 911 games in the last ten years of his career, with an astounding 142 of them coming against Wilt (15.6 percent) in a tiny league. By all accounts, Russ pulled a perpetual rope-a-dope against Wilt along the lines of Ali in Zaire, when Ali allowed Foreman to punch himself out, then finished him off later in the fight. Russ saved most of his anti-Wilt tricks for big games and big moments.

Here are their head-to-head stats in 142 games (including playoffs):
Wilt: 28.7 points, 28.7 rebounds
Russ: 14.5 points, 23.7 rebounds

“Wilt’s record against Russell: 58–84
Russ’s record against Wilt: 84–58

Hold on, we’re just getting started. Check out their playoff numbers.
Wilt: 160 games, 22.5 points, 24.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 47% FT, 52% FG
Russ: 165 games, 16.2 points, 24.9 rebounds, 4.7 assists, 60% FT, 43% FG


“Hmmmmmmm. Russell’s numbers jumped and Wilt’s numbers dipped dramatically when there was money on the line, even though Wilt was routinely his team’s number one scoring option and Russ was number four or five. Sure, Wilt averaged three more baskets a game, but everything else was even and Russell happened to be a superior defensive player, teammate, basketball thinker and crunch-time guy.

Which is how we end up with the following statistics:
Wilt’s record for the Conference Finals and NBA Finals: 48–44
Russ’s record for the Conference Finals and NBA Finals: 90–53

And these:
Wilt’s record in Game 7’s: 4–5
Russ’s record in Game 7’s: 10–0

And these:
Wilt’s record in elimination games for his team: 10–11
Russ’s record in elimination games for his team: 16–2

And these:
Wilt: 2 championships
Russ: 11 championships


:applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlain ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain ppg in Finals: 18.6


Scoring Wilt= 32.8 ppg. Four playoff runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg. Four series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, 39 ppg, and 39 ppg.

Four series against RUSSELL... 31 ppg, 34 ppg, 29 ppg, and 30 ppg.

Four games of 50+ (including the ONLY THREE by a GOAT in "must win" games...one of which came against RUSSELL.)

21% of a "scoring" Wilt were 40+ ppg games.

Pure dominance.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

:applause:

Simmons obviously didn't do his research.

Russell's scoring and especially his FG% DECLINED against Wilt in the post-season.

And Wilt was actually 6-5 in absolute elimination games. Losing FOUR to Russell's TEAMs by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points.

Next...

[Uncle Drew]

Losing FOUR to Russell's TEAMs by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points.
God, I wonder why that is. :roll:

FREE THROWS

[LAZERUSS]

John Wooden, who knows more from the grave than the goofball Simmons does today...

"Had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings."

[Uncle Drew]

And Wilt was actually 6-5 in absolute elimination games. Losing FOUR to Russell
Geesh, look at that. Russell owned Wilt.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

God, I wonder why that is. :roll:

1962: Wilt scored 22 pts; Jones scores 28 pts (Wilt's 50.4 ppg season)
1965: Wilt scored 30 pts; Jones scores 37 pts Wilt 6-13 FT. 1 point loss.
1968: Wilt scored 14 pts; Jones scores 22 pts Wilt 6-15 FT. 4 point loss.
1969: Wilt scored 18 pts; Jones scores 24 pts (and it was his last career NBA game. ) Wilt 4-13 FT. 2 point loss.

Wilt averaged 21.0 ppg, 28.5 rpg, and shot .643 from the field in those four games.

Russell: 13.0 ppg, 24.5 rpg, .465 FG%.

[Uncle Drew]

“Game 7, 1957 Finals.
As a rookie, Russell notches a 19–32 and makes what everyone agrees was the most phenomenal play of his career—scoring a game-tying basket near the end of regulation that carried him into the stands, regrouping and somehow chasing down Jack Coleman from behind and blocking Coleman’s game-clinching layup. This whole sequence ranks incredibly high on the I Wish We Always Had TV Coverage for Sports scale.

Game 7, 1960 Finals.
Russell scores 22 points and grabs 35 rebounds in a blowout of the Hawks. Ho-hum.

Game 7, 1962 Eastern Finals.
In the year Wilt averaged 50 a game, Russell holds him to 22 in Game 7 (and scores 19 himself).

Game 7, 1962 Finals.
Russell scores 30 points, makes 14 of 17 free throws and grabs an NBA Playoffs record 44 rebounds in an overtime win over the Lakers (the Frank Selvy game). Everyone agrees this was the definitive Russell game—near the end of regulation, every forward on Boston’s roster fouled out (Heinsohn, Sanders and Loscutoff), so Russell had to protect the basket and handle the boards by himself. Unbelievable: 30 points and 44 rebounds?

Game 7, 1965 Eastern Finals.
Although Havlicek saved him from goat horns, Russell submitted a near triple double (15 points, 29 rebounds and 9 assists) that nearly would have been a quadruple double if they’d kept track of blocks back then.43

Game 7, 1966 Finals.
Celts beat L.A. by two, Russell notches 25 points, 32 rebounds and God knows how many blocks.

“Game 7, 1968 Eastern Finals.
Russell scores 12 but holds Wilt to 14 … and for good measure, he coached the winning team.

Looking back, Wilt had five chances to knock Russell out of the playoffs in ’68 and ’69 with a superior team—including two Game 7’s at home—and only needed to submit one monster performance to pull it off. Each time, he couldn’t do it. Each time, Russell’s inferior team prevailed. Each time, Wilt whined about it afterward. If Jerry West was Mr. Clutch, then Wilt was Mr. Crutch.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]

[Uncle Drew]

Chamberlain DESTROYED Russell in that series.
But he lost, due to poor free throw shooting.

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]

[LAZERUSS]

But he lost, due to poor free throw shooting.

He outshot Russell from the line in that series, .583 to .472.

Next...

[Uncle Drew]

He outshot Russell from the line in that series, .583 to .472.

Next...
Game 7: 6-13.

L.

[LAZERUSS]

Game 7: 6-13.

L.

So scoring 30 points, on 12-15 from the floor... 80% ...has no bearing on the game, right?

Or Wilt's TS% edge over Russell in that game of .697 to .441?

:facepalm

[Uncle Drew]

So scoring 30 points, on 12-15 from the floor... 80% ...has no bearing on the game, right?

Or Wilt's TS% edge over Russell in that game of .697 to .441?

:facepalm
The Celtics won by one point. Wilt missed 7 free throws.

[LAZERUSS]

The Celtics won by one point. Wilt missed 7 free throws.

I see. ONLY FTs count, right? 2 point FGAs have no bearing.

:facepalm

So, MJ missing two FTs in regulation in his 63 point game against Boston in '86 cost his team the game, right?

[Uncle Drew]

I see. ONLY FTs count, right? 2 point FGAs have no bearing.

:facepalm

So, MJ missing two FTs in regulation in his 63 point game against Boston in '86 cost his team the game, right?
I remember you saying Bird and Jordan were chokers. Do you still stand with that?

[LAZERUSS]

I remember you saying Bird and Jordan were chokers. Do you still stand with that?

Multiple times.

Do you consider a .351 FG% in a playoff series loss a good one?

Or shooting 9-35 in a clinching game playoff game loss a good one?

Hell, shooting 6-18 from the floor in a win? Or 5-19 in a playoff win?

Or in a 2-2 series, taking eight shots in a pivotal game, and the reality being...he QUIT on his team?

Bird flat choked in '83. Way below standards in a sweeping playoff loss with HCA. Was he injured? Well, injuries don't seem to matter with Wilt, do they?

I could list more. But if you think a "choke job" is scoring 30 points on 12-15 shooting with 32 rebounds, in a game in which he wiped the floor with Russell, then please give us all here your definition of a "choke job."

[Uncle Drew]

Multiple times.

Do you consider a .351 FG% in a playoff series loss a good one?

Or shooting 9-35 in a clinching game playoff game loss a good one?

Hell, shooting 6-18 from the floor in a win? Or 5-19 in a playoff win?

Or in a 2-2 series, taking eight shots in a pivotal game, and the reality being...he QUIT on his team?

Bird flat choked in '83. Way below standards in a sweeping playoff loss with HCA. Was he injured? Well, injuries don't seem to matter with Wilt, do they?

I could list more. But if you think a "choke job" is scoring 30 points on 12-15 shooting with 32 rebounds, in a game in which he wiped the floor with Russell, then please give us all here your definition of a "choke job."
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Did you even read the post of mine that you quoted?

THAT WAS a PLAYOFF game you idiot.

Chamberlain slaughtered Russell in that game. just downright embarrassed him. BUT, as was USUALLY the case, Russell's VASTLY SUPERIOR teammates outplayed Wilt's. The result...a seven game seven, two point win by a heavily-favored Celtics team that was favored in EVERY game.

Of course, when Wilt was given an equal supporting cast, that was healthy...well, he and his Sixers just carpet-bombed Russell and his eight-time defending champs.

Wilt "choked" alright...to the tune of heavily outscoring, outrebounding, and ousthooting Russell from the floor in their eight post-season H2H's.

He did choke though.
We're talking about a 22 ppg playoff scorer. A scrub.
Don't insult the greats by putting this choking 18 ppg finals scorer in the same breath :lebronamazed:

[LAZERUSS]

He did choke though.
We're talking about a 22 ppg playoff scorer. A scrub.
Don't insult the greats by putting this choking 18 ppg finals scorer in the same breath :lebronamazed:

Choking is this...

and this from Lebron's BIGGEST FAN BTW...and just last year BTW...

http://factoryofsadness.co/2015/04/19/brian-windhorst-choking-is-what-lebron-james-is-prone-to-do/

[QUOTE]

[bdreason]

DrayGod plays Center for a few minutes each game. We play Bogut, Ezili, and Speights at Center for most of the game.


And Wilt would shit all over DrayGod.

[Mr Feeny]

Choking is this...

and this from Lebron's BIGGEST FAN BTW...and just last year BTW...

http://factoryofsadness.co/2015/04/19/brian-windhorst-choking-is-what-lebron-james-is-prone-to-do/



Don't EVER compare that timid choker to the GOAT.

Err. No.
Choking is going from averaging 30 ppg in the regular season to 18 in the finals.

A 12 point drop-off by the biggest chokers of all time :lebronamazed:

Wilt literally "wilted" under pressure:lol

[LAZERUSS]

Err. No.
Choking is going from averaging 30 ppg in the regular season to 18 in the finals.

A 12 point drop-off by the biggest chokers of all time :lebronamazed:

Wilt literally "wilted" under pressure:lol

Wilt won two FMVP's averaging 18 and 19 ppg.

Lebron lost out on a FMVP to a bench-warmer, in a series in which he shot-jacked his team down the toilet with a 36 ppg effort on 39% shooting.

BTW, Chamberlain had multiple 50+ point playoff games, including the ONLY three in "must win" games by a true GOAT candidiate.

Oh, and Chamberlain was never outrebounded by an opposing center in any of his 29 post-season series, and usually just annihilated them (all HOF centers in his Finals BTW.) Furthermore, he outshot his HOF opposing centers from the floor in his six finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439.

[Mr Feeny]

Wilt won two FMVP's averaging 18 and 19 ppg.

Lebron lost out on a FMVP to a bench-warmer, in a series in which he shot-jacked his team down the toilet with a 36 ppg effort on 39% shooting.

BTW, Chamberlain had multiple 50+ point playoff games, including the ONLY three in "must win" games by a true GOAT candidiate.

Oh, and Chamberlain was never outrebounded by an opposing center in any of his 29 post-season series, and usually just annihilated them (all HOF centers in his Finals BTW.) Furthermore, he outshot his HOF opposing centers from the floor in his six finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439.

He's still an 18 ppg choker, compared to his KING lebron who averages 8 more points in finals :lebronamazed:

Wilt kept "wilting" under pressure and costing his team titles :lol

[LAZERUSS]

He's still an 18 ppg choker, compared to his KING lebron who averages 8 more points in finals :lebronamazed:

Wilt kept "wilting" under pressure and costing his team titles :lol

And Lebron keeps on choking and costing his team titles.

Gets swept in a Finals in which he shot 36%.
Gets blown out in a series in which he is shut down by JJ Barea.
Gets blown out in a series in which Kawai Leonard works him over.
Loses in yet another Finals in which the man defending him, a bench-warmer, wins the FMVP.

As Brian Windhorst claimed. Lebron is PRONE to CHOKING.

The King...of Choking.

:roll:

[Dro]

Can't believe this is a serious thread and went this long. The Wilt disrespect is absolutely ridiculous...

[LAZERUSS]

Can't believe this is a serious thread and went this long. The Wilt disrespect is absolutely ridiculous...

I apologize for responding to these idiotic posters, as well.

[Helix]

There is no one, not one player in the NBA today, even remotely capable of guarding Wilt Chamberlain.