Curry isn't capable of 40+ points without 2+ turnovers

[3ball]

He's never had a 40 point game without at least 2 turnovers.. (edit: he has ONE game with 40 points and 1 TO).

Otoh, thru Jordan's 7th season (same as Curry this year), he had 30 games with 40+ points and 1 or zero turnovers.. He also had 7 games of FIFTY points and 1 or zero turnovers (in his first 7 years).

Ultimately, Curry is a turnover machine, which is why his career points-per-possession efficiency (ORtg) is less than Jordan's.. He simply isn't smart enough and doesn't possess sufficient instincts or decision-making to have be a high usage/low turnover player like Jordan.. Instead, Curry is a high usage/high turnover player.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but that advantage is squashed by his lower on-court acumen and resulting excessive turnovers, which is why Jordan's points-per-possession (the only unbiased efficiency measure) was higher than Curry's.
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[LeFraud James]

Grasping at straws :oldlol:

[Cocaine80s]

Jordan is incapable of shooting a 3 pointer

[Eye Test]

Jordan is incapable of shooting a 3 pointer

nice avy bro

LeBeast

[Im Still Ballin]

nice avy bro

LeBeast
nice avy bro

LeBeast

[3ball]

Grasping at straws :oldlol:



Jordan's 1991 was better and his playoffs were on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating in 1991, and equal points-per-possession (ORtg) in 1991 and 1996, even though Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load, which renders all efficiency arguments irrelevant.

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher PER and equal points-per-possession anyway, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.

And his turnovers were much lower, which eliminates Curry's assist edge - essentially, Jordan leads in every category except true shooting, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.
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[Eye Test]

nice avy bro

LeBeast

:cheers:

LeBeast

[ballinhun8]

Bro.



Jordan is the GOAT. We all know this. Us Bulls fans appreciate everything he's done for the game and franchise but this is too much.


Just enjoy Curry and the Dubs. At least they are a fun team to watch and root for. For now. They were built the right way and are a team you want to see win unlike that diva chump in Ohio.

[3ball]

LeBeast


It's amusing that Lebron fans are enamored with that picture of Lebron..

That was Jordan ALL THE TIME

:yaohappy: :kobe:

[Eye Test]

It's amusing that Lebron fans are enamored with that picture of Lebron..

That was Jordan ALL THE TIME

:yaohappy: :kobe:

Jordan couldnt BULLDOZE (at will) like LeBulldoze can. The fear factor once you know he is gonna drive >>>>> jordans fear factor

UNSTOPPABLE

[CuterThanRubio]

Jordan fanboys love arbitrary stats, it's all they have left.

Curry's shooting spaces the floor and has a great enough effect on the opponent that his turnovers rarely cost them in the long run.

Combine that with his UNPRECEDENTED efficiency from three point range (the area of the floor that earns you the most points possible in a single attempt, in case you were wondering), and he has no true statistical comparison.


Your initial claim turned out to be false, which is HILARIOUS to me because I just pictured your excited reaction, happily slumped in front of the monitor, popping the collar on your tattered and torn Jordan jersey that is splattered with sweat stains that have permanently coated the fabric thanks to MANY meltdowns, only to PANIC once you realized your mistake.

Your copy and paste techniques are malfunctioning!

[warriorfan]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V36IbdyTv10/hqdefault.jpg

[Cocaine80s]

It's amusing that Lebron fans are enamored with that picture of Lebron..

That was Jordan ALL THE TIME

:yaohappy: :kobe:
That was Jordan when Pippen was ****ing Madonna next door

[plowking]

Thank god you just look at the facts, and not random arbitrary stats 3ball. For a second I thought you didn't have a point to all this talk.

[AirBonner]

3ball stays winning. Got dem curry stans shook :lol

[livingby3's]

Curry is a PG?

[AintNoSunshine]

That was Jordan when Pippen was ****ing Madonna next door

Holy shet:oldlol:

[3ball]

Curry's shooting spaces the floor


Jordan spaced the floor as well - not only was he a goat midrange jumpshooter (shown by nba.com's stats here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) and here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40)), but his presence automatically made the defense lean in his direction, including significant double-teaming (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210).

Btw, although the spacing that Curry and Jordan provide enables easier offense for teammates, their TEAMMATES' spacing enables easier offense for them as well - and obviously, Curry's offense is enabled FAR more than Jordan's was, since Curry has the best-shooting teammates ever, while Jordan played when the 3-point line was barely used.. Accordingly, Jordan's stats in the comparison (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12301218&postcount=9) are "worth more", if you will, since his offense was enabled less by teammates spacing the floor than Curry's.





Jordan fanboys love arbitrary stats, it's all they have left.


Turnovers are arbitrary?

Curry is a turnover machine, which is why his career points-per-possession efficiency (ORtg) is worse than Jordan's.. He simply isn't smart enough and doesn't possess sufficient instincts or decision-making to be a high usage/low turnover player like Jordan.. Instead, Curry is a high usage/HIGH turnover player.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but that advantage is squashed by his lower on-court acumen and resulting excessive turnovers, which is why Jordan's points-per-possession was higher than Curry's.. Jordan had higher efficiency, while being involved in more possessions (usage) for his team.. So imagine Curry with better points-per-possession, while using MORE possessions - Curry simply DOING MORE - that was Jordan.
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[3ball]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V36IbdyTv10/hqdefault.jpg



THREAD CLIFFS:


Jordan was superior in part because he was smarter with the ball in his hands - the stats don't lie:


Jordan was a high usage/low turnover player, while Curry is a high usage/HIGH turnover player.

[GrapeApe]

You call Curry a turnover machine, yet he has a better assist to turnover ratio than Jordan.

[Ass Dan]

He's never had a 40 point game without at least 2 turnovers.. (edit: he has ONE game with 40 points and 1 TO).

Otoh, thru Jordan's 7th season (same as Curry this year), he had 30 games with 40+ points and 1 or zero turnovers.. He also had 7 games of FIFTY points and 1 or zero turnovers (in his first 7 years).

Ultimately, Curry is a turnover machine, which is why his career points-per-possession efficiency (ORtg) is less than Jordan's.. He simply isn't smart enough and doesn't possess sufficient instincts or decision-making to have be a high usage/low turnover player like Jordan.. Instead, Curry is a high usage/high turnover player.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but that advantage is squashed by his lower on-court acumen and resulting excessive turnovers, which is why Jordan's points-per-possession (the only unbiased efficiency measure) was higher than Curry's.
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Wow Curry is living rent free in your head causing a meltdown which may parachute you into my ignore list.

Curry is a PG, so he will have more turnovers.

This is weak work, Jordan is disappoint.

[D. Toretto]

Jordan spaced the floor as well - not only was he a goat midrange jumpshooter (shown by nba.com's stats here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) and here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40)), but his presence automatically made the defense lean in his direction, including significant double-teaming (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210).

Btw, although the spacing that Curry and Jordan provide enables easier offense for teammates, their TEAMMATES' spacing enables easier offense for them as well - and obviously, Curry's offense is enabled FAR more than Jordan's was, since Curry has the best-shooting teammates ever, while Jordan played when the 3-point line was barely used.. Accordingly, Jordan's stats in the comparison (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12301218&postcount=9) are "worth more", if you will, since his offense was enabled less by teammates spacing the floor than Curry's.



Turnovers are arbitrary?

Curry is a turnover machine, which is why his career points-per-possession efficiency (ORtg) is worse than Jordan's.. He simply isn't smart enough and doesn't possess sufficient instincts or decision-making to be a high usage/low turnover player like Jordan.. Instead, Curry is a high usage/HIGH turnover player.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but that advantage is squashed by his lower on-court acumen and resulting excessive turnovers, which is why Jordan's points-per-possession was higher than Curry's.. Jordan had higher efficiency, while being involved in more possessions (usage) for his team.. So imagine Curry with better points-per-possession, while using MORE possessions - Curry simply DOING MORE - that was Jordan.
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I appreciate your in depth posts because of the facts that you post, although mostly I don't agree, but this statement is just beyond ridiculous.

[hold this L]

3ball stays winning. Got dem curry stans shook :lol
Why do you hate Curry? Did you get stockholm syndrome after Lebron beat the shit out of your team? :lol

[Nilocon165]

Curry thinks he's hot shit but he wouldn't last 10 seconds in the squared circle with the beast incarnate Brock Lesnar

[ralph_i_el]

Really easy to get low turnovers when you don't pass :roll:

FOR THEIR CAREERS:

Curry: 6.9 APG, 3.2 turnovers

MJ: 5.2 APG, 2.7 turnovers


MJ had a worse assist-to-turnover ratio.

[keep-itreal]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V36IbdyTv10/hqdefault.jpg

what the **** is this?:roll: :roll:

[I know you are]

He's never had a 40 point game without at least 2 turnovers.. (edit: he has ONE game with 40 points and 1 TO).
Shut. It. Down. :roll:

[tmacattack33]

:biggums:

[Overdrive]

what the **** is this?:roll: :roll:

He dunked that after two steps + 1 legged hopstep + stiffarm to the face.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

FOR THEIR CAREERS:

Curry: 6.9 APG, 3.2 turnovers

MJ: 5.2 APG, 2.7 turnovers


Really easy to get low turnovers when you don't pass



It's really easy to get low turnovers when you don't score:


FOR THEIR CAREERS:


Jordan:. 30.1 ppg.. 2.7 turnovers
Curry:.. 22.4 ppg.. 3.2 turnovers



TOTAL NUMBER OF 40 PT GAMES THRU 7 SEASONS:


Jordan (135 games): 45 ppg.. 2.45 turnovers
Curry... (22 games): 45 ppg.. 3.77 turnovers



Jordan's scoring is superior because he scores with less turnovers.. :confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

The arbitrary in this one is strong.

Good stuff.

[DLeagueWannabe]

Why is 3ball's name 3ball if he's a Jordan lover and a Curry hater?

Identity crisis.

[aj1987]

It's really easy to get low turnovers when you don't score:


FOR THEIR CAREERS:


Jordan:. 30.1 ppg.. 2.7 turnovers
Curry:.. 22.4 ppg.. 3.2 turnovers



TOTAL NUMBER OF 40 PT GAMES THRU 7 SEASONS:


Jordan (135 games): 45 ppg.. 2.45 turnovers
Curry... (22 games): 45 ppg.. 3.77 turnovers



Jordan's scoring is superior because he scores with less turnovers.. :confusedshrug:
Delusional retard. :roll:

Curry >>>>>>> MJ and the '16 Warriors >>>>>> '96 Bulls. Deal with it.

[ralph_i_el]

It's really easy to get low turnovers when you don't score:


FOR THEIR CAREERS:


Jordan:. 30.1 ppg.. 2.7 turnovers
Curry:.. 22.4 ppg.. 3.2 turnovers



TOTAL NUMBER OF 40 PT GAMES THRU 7 SEASONS:


Jordan (135 games): 45 ppg.. 2.45 turnovers
Curry... (22 games): 45 ppg.. 3.77 turnovers



Jordan's scoring is superior because he scores with less turnovers.. :confusedshrug:

taking shots doesn't really correlate with turnovers. handling the ball does.

[Uncle Drew]

Jordan isn't capable of 40+ points with at least 10 3's

Curry > Jordan

[3ball]

The arbitrary in this one is strong.


If shot attempts are important, why not turnovers?... Obviously, you ignore turnovers because it doesn't match what you want to believe.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry - this is statistical fact.

But carry on... Keep ignoring the facts - the only problem is that you'll always have a poor understanding of the game, so you'll always be surprised by what happens.. I've seen many of your posts where you say "I'm surprised that so-and-so happened"... Your understanding of the game is poor and you're always surprised because you ignore facts like this thread.

[stalkerforlife]

If shot attempts are important, why not turnovers?... Obviously, you ignore turnovers because it doesn't match what you want to believe.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry - this is statistical fact.

But carry on... Keep ignoring the facts - the only problem is that you'll always have a poor understanding of the game, so you'll always be surprised by what happens.. I've seen many of your posts where you say "I'm surprised that so-and-so happened"... Your understanding of the game is poor and you're always surprised because you ignore facts like this thread.

Jordan is the GOAT.

[3ball]

taking shots doesn't really correlate with turnovers. handling the ball does.
It's Curry's fault that he can't score without incurring a higher level of turnovers - it's his fault he can't get 40 points without at least 2 turnovers.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry - this is statistical fact.

[sd3035]

Jordan's efficiency was horrible, his single best season wasn't even as good as Curry's career TS% :lol

[ralph_i_el]

It's Curry's fault that he can't score without incurring a higher level of turnovers - it's his fault he can't get 40 points without at least 2 turnovers.

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry - this is statistical fact.


:biggums:

Curry has a decently high amount of turnovers because he handles the ball as a point guard AND is the top scoring option.

His assists-to-turnovers are significantly lower than MJ's.

You say it all the time yourself, MJ is primarily an OFF-BALL scorer. One dribble pull-ups, post-ups, and drives to the rim are not going to get you a ton of turnovers. Handling the ball and running the offense will.

[3ball]

Jordan's efficiency was horrible



Jordan's efficiency is better than Lebron, Kobe and Wade's across the board - TS, FG%, and ORtg:



Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg







Jordan's single best season wasn't even as good as Curry's career TS%



Jordan's career Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (ORtg) is higher than Curry's, even though Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)




Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load, which renders all efficiency arguments irrelevant.

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher PER and points-per-possession anyway, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.

And his turnovers were much lower, which eliminates Curry's assist edge - essentially, Jordan leads in every category except true shooting, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.
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[Hopper15]

Ok

[tpols]

You say it all the time yourself, MJ is primarily an OFF-BALL scorer. One dribble pull-ups, post-ups, and drives to the rim are not going to get you a ton of turnovers. Handling the ball and running the offense will.

when MJ ran point guard in late '89, he averaged 4 TO's per game

[ralph_i_el]

when MJ ran point guard in late '89, he averaged 4 TO's per game

And while he increased his assists, he (obviously) was responsible for more ball-handling and passing.....and that leads to more turnovers.

3ball knows I'm right, so he won't respond. Now that I've said this, he may toss a copypasta my way, but :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Curry has a decently high amount of turnovers because he handles the ball as a point guard


Your excuses don't change the facts:


Curry's scoring incurs more turnovers than Jordan did, which results in Jordan providing his team with more points-per-possession

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry.

Jordan was the more efficient scorer since he provided his team with more points-per-possession - the stats don't lie.

[ralph_i_el]

Your excuses don't change the facts:


Curry's scoring incurs more turnovers than Jordan did, which results in Jordan providing his team with more points-per-possession

You guys brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry.

Jordan was the more efficient scorer since he provided his team with more points-per-possession - the stats don't lie.

^ignoring all the possessions where Curry handles the ball and creates an assist.

Curry is on MJ's level offensively. So was prime Bron. So were a few people. It shouldn't rustle your jimmies this much.

[Andrei89]

Jordan isnt capable of going 73-9 :applause:

[TemporaMutantur]

Bro.



Jordan is the GOAT. We all know this. Us Bulls fans appreciate everything he's done for the game and franchise but this is too much.


Just enjoy Curry and the Dubs. At least they are a fun team to watch and root for. For now. They were built the right way and are a team you want to see win unlike that diva chump in Ohio.

This.

[3ball]

You're ignoring possessions where Curry handles the ball and creates an assist.


Curry's assist-to-turnover ratio is nearly identical to Jordan's, but Jordan scores 30.1 ppg, compared to Curry's 22.4.






Curry is on MJ's level offensively.



Curry is nowhere near Jordan offensively:



THRU 7 SEASONS

JORDAN RS:. 32.3 ppg.. 121 ORtg.. 29.8 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN RS:. 22.4 ppg.. 117 ORtg.. 23.2 Player Efficiency Rating

JORDAN PO:. 33.4 ppg.. 119 ORtg.. 29.6 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN PO:. 25.9 ppg.. 115 ORtg.. 22.5 Player Efficiency Rating


CAREER

JORDAN RS:. 30.1 ppg.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN RS:. 22.4 ppg.. 117 ORtg.. 23.2 Player Efficiency Rating

JORDAN PO:. 33.4 ppg.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN PO:. 25.9 ppg.. 115 ORtg.. 22.5 Player Efficiency Rating






Prime Bron was also on Jordan's level offensively



In Jordan and Lebron's respective primes, Jordan scored 5-7 more ppg on equal or better efficiency:



6-Year Prime - Per Game Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game): 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 28.1 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.1 dreb.. 6.1 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



6-Year Prime - Per 100 Possessions Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 44.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 8.5 ast.. 3.0 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 37.1 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg




Jordan scored 5-7 more ppg with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg):




Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1).

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.
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[ralph_i_el]

Curry's assist-to-turnover ratio is nearly identical to Jordan's, but Jordan scores 30.1 ppg, compared to Curry's 22.4.





Curry is nowhere near Jordan offensively:



THRU 7 SEASONS

JORDAN RS:. 32.3 ppg.. 121 ORtg.. 29.8 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN RS:. 22.4 ppg.. 117 ORtg.. 23.2 Player Efficiency Rating

JORDAN PO:. 33.4 ppg.. 119 ORtg.. 29.6 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN PO:. 25.9 ppg.. 115 ORtg.. 22.5 Player Efficiency Rating


CAREER

JORDAN RS:. 30.1 ppg.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN RS:. 22.4 ppg.. 117 ORtg.. 23.2 Player Efficiency Rating

JORDAN PO:. 33.4 ppg.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 Player Efficiency Rating
CURRYN PO:. 25.9 ppg.. 115 ORtg.. 22.5 Player Efficiency Rating





In Jordan and Lebron's respective primes, Jordan scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg):



6-Year Prime - Per Game Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game): 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 28.1 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.1 dreb.. 6.1 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



6-Year Prime - Per 100 Possessions Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 44.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 8.5 ast.. 3.0 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 37.1 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg




Same thing for their CAREERS:



Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg

we're talking peaks here homie. Stay Rustled


also, it's hilarious how close those Curry PO numbers are to MJ's. Especially accounting for Curry creating shots for his teammates, Curry playing on a team that actually shares the ball, and Curry having one of the GOAT off-ball gravity. A few more years of peak curry...

[3ball]

we're talking Jordan and Curry's peaks here homie.



Jordan's 1991 was better and his playoffs were on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating in 1991, and equal points-per-possession (ORtg) in 1991 and 1996, even though Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)




Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load, which renders all efficiency arguments irrelevant.

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher PER and equal points-per-possession anyway, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.

And his turnovers were much lower, which eliminates Curry's assist edge - essentially, Jordan leads in every category except true shooting, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.






we're talking Jordan and Lebron's peaks here homie.



In Jordan and Lebron's respective primes, Jordan scored 5-7 more ppg on equal or better efficiency:



6-Year Prime - Per Game Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game): 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 28.1 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.1 dreb.. 6.1 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



6-Year Prime - Per 100 Possessions Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 44.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 8.5 ast.. 3.0 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 37.1 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1).

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs:

New fans and pundits of the game brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry (while also carrying a larger load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305579&postcount=18) on both sides of the ball)

[Quickening]

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Thread Cliffs:

New fans and pundits of the game brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry (while also carrying a larger load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305579&postcount=18) on both sides of the ball)

Curry has a better assists to turnover ratio, whilst scoring more points per shot. :lol :roll:

[GrapeApe]

Curry has a better assists to turnover ratio, whilst scoring more points per shot. :lol :roll:

Curry also averages more assists and has a higher assist %. He has the edge in efficiency and playmaking.

I grew up in the 90's and had a Jordan poster on my wall, but I can acknowledge that Curry was better offensively this season than Jordan. Jordan was better overall due to being a far superior 2-way player, but Curry is the Shaq of perimeter players on offense. He is indefensible.

[ralph_i_el]

Jordan's 1991 was better and his playoffs were on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating in 1991, and equal points-per-possession (ORtg) in 1991 and 1996, even though Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)




Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load, which renders all efficiency arguments irrelevant.

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher PER and equal points-per-possession anyway, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.

And his turnovers were much lower, which eliminates Curry's assist edge - essentially, Jordan leads in every category except true shooting, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.





In Jordan and Lebron's respective primes, Jordan scored 5-7 more ppg on equal or better efficiency:



6-Year Prime - Per Game Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game): 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 28.1 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.1 dreb.. 6.1 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



6-Year Prime - Per 100 Possessions Playoffs:

JORDAN 1988-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 44.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 8.5 ast.. 3.0 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.5 fg.. 58.3 ts.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2014 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2014-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 37.1 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.4 fg.. 59.9 ts.. 118 ORtg



There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).

Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1).

Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49))... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.

lol so what you are saying is that MJ and Curry's peak seasons are basically on statistical par? thanks for the info friend:cheers:

also, your stats don't account for the fact that Curry bends opposing defenses even when he's far away from the ball.

[riseagainst]

Curry has a better assists to turnover ratio, whilst scoring more points per shot. :lol :roll:



Curry also averages more assists and has a higher assist %. He has the edge in efficiency and playmaking.

I grew up in the 90's and had a Jordan poster on my wall, but I can acknowledge that Curry was better offensively this season than Jordan. Jordan was better overall due to being a far superior 2-way player, but Curry is the Shaq of perimeter players on offense. He is indefensible.



3ball just got rekt hard....

now he's thinking of another way to discredit Curry.

Time to change the criteria again.

:roll:
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[CuterThanRubio]

Jordan's efficiency is better than Lebron, Kobe and Wade's across the board - TS, FG%, and ORtg:



Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg






Jordan's career Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (ORtg) is higher than Curry's, even though Curry's efficiency is boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)




Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load, which renders all efficiency arguments irrelevant.

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher PER and points-per-possession anyway, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.

And his turnovers were much lower, which eliminates Curry's assist edge - essentially, Jordan leads in every category except true shooting, while carrying a bigger load on both ends.
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This guy is something else.

Seething, frothing at the mouth, frantically searching for something to direct our attention away from the truth.

You can't "eliminate" Curry's assist edge just because it fits your imaginary argument, Curry has a better assist to turnover ratio and shoots at a higher percentage while playing in a stronger league, that is a FACT.

Dissecting ARBITRARY STATS, points per shot versus points per possession, ooh big difference there, buddy LMAO!

It is no surprise to me that you are DESPERATELY going all in right now, your time is running out!

[HurricaneKid]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201304120LAL.html

Seriously?

[CuterThanRubio]

This thread was a fail from the second you decided to create it

First game of the 2016 season

40 pts, 2 TO

3rd game

53 pts, 2 TO


10th game

46 pts, 3 TO, ooh one more than your arbitrary cutoff point, I guess that nullifies all impact.

21st game

44pts, 3 TO

56th game

46 pts, 3 TO

Final game

46 pts, 2 TO

:coleman:

[G0ATbe]

So Curry > MJ?

[raprap]

Bro.



Jordan is the GOAT. We all know this. Us Bulls fans appreciate everything he's done for the game and franchise but this is too much.


Just enjoy Curry and the Dubs. At least they are a fun team to watch and root for. For now. They were built the right way and are a team you want to see win unlike that diva chump in Ohio.
Sup bitch

[ballinhun8]

Sup bitch



que paso dickface