At what point did Lebron pass Kobe on the all-time rankings?

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm thinking around 2013/2014

By 2015 it was all but sealed/general consensus

[Mr. Jabbar]

with the decision alone he can never be better than torchbe, period.

[Eye Test]

at birth.

LeBeast

[G0ATbe]

Never happened and never will:confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

with the decision alone he can never be better than torchbe, period.

So true.

And "torchbe" is a great nickname. :lol

[greymatter]

4th MVP and 2nd title was when it was beyond all shadow of a doubt.

[Mr. Jabbar]

So true.

And "torchbe" is a great nickname. :lol

:cheers:

[ISHGoat]

Only 3 posters have posted in this thread, now 4 including me.

[Papaya Petee]

with the decision alone he can never be better than torchbe, period.
Since the decision...

2FMVP (tied Kobe)
2MVP (doubled Kobe)
4 Finals
27 game win streak (Kobe never sniffed that)
5x All NBA 1st team
4x All NBA 1st Defense

hmmm ok

[Nilocon165]

Never did. Never will

[JT123]

After his first championship in 2012.

1 engineering ring >>>> 5 liberal arts rings

only betas don't understand :lol

[Lebronxrings]

07. Led his team to the finals was greater than anything kobe ever did.

[HenryGarfunkle]

2007 ECF's

[knicksman]

even if he goes 6/6, he will never surpass kobe. 8/14<<5/7:confusedshrug:

[Cold soul]

Lebron still hasn't yet so...

[raprap]

even if he goes 6/6, he will never surpass kobe. 8/14<<5/7:confusedshrug:
:biggums:

[Dray n Klay]

After his first championship in 2012.

1 engineering ring >>>> 5 liberal arts rings

only betas don't understand :lol

:lol :roll: :roll:

[tmacattack33]

June 30, 2012...after carrying Miami without Bosh throughout the playoffs and to a Finals win with an injured Bosh. Larry Bird soon after called it the best playoff run of all time.

And given that Kobe only had one Finals run where he was unquestionably the best player on his team, this feat by Lebron put him above Kobe on the all-time list.

[Mr Feeny]

June 30, 2012...after carrying Miami without Bosh throughout the playoffs and to a Finals win with an injured Bosh. Larry Bird soon after called it the best playoff run of all time.

And given that Kobe only had one Finals run where he was unquestionably the best player on his team, this feat by Lebron put him above Kobe on the all-time list.

I think so. After he did that, he wasn't being compared to anyone. Instead, everybody from Magic to Barkley to pundits were claiming he'd possibly pass Jordan all time. Others stated that he already was "in that category" whether he wins another or not.


Jon Barry said that on the espn panel standing next to Magic. He stated, rightfully so, that titles are a team accomplishment. If you wanted him to win one in order to start putting him in the elite category, he'd done that, and it doesn't make sense to start counting rings because not everybody plays in the same situation. Indivudlsly speaking, he was at an all time great level. He wasn't far off from peak MJ. He almost reached basketball perfection by that point.

[Baller1986]

2012

[bobopenguin]

the moment he made the decision to take this talent to south beach, then made announcement to go back home, probably gonna make another announcement to take his talent to somewhere else this summer.

even kobe cant top this.
mad respect to Bron.

[Gileraracer]

When he lost his fourth finals

[fiddy]

He has? Dont think so

[ArbitraryWater]

When he lost his fourth finals

Id probably agree... shot Kobe's career finals percentage, while outrebound, assisting and scoring him in large degrees, for the 4th straight time.. it was historic.

[COnDEMnED]

Between Delta Sleep and R.E.M.

In your dreams, in other words.

[toprange]

I'm thinking around 2013/2014

By 2015 it was all but sealed/general consensus
when kobe called the media a bunch of idiots

[aj1987]

even if he goes 6/6, he will never surpass kobe. 8/14<<5/7:confusedshrug:
4/13 >>>>>>> 1/20
2/2 >>>>>>>> 2/5

:cheers:

[sdot_thadon]

Sometime between 2013 and now, can't pinpoint it, but his overall body of work started overwhelming kobe's. Kobe still has an accolade advantage, but lebron has been an outright better player for a longer period of time.

[Goldrush25]

At what point did Lebron pass Kobe on the all-time rankings?

About 4 years ago.

[riseagainst]

If he were to travel back in time and prevent the birth of Kobe.

[bizil]

Lebron still hasn't yet so...

Exactly right! I have Bron in the top 10 GOAT, but he hasn't passed Mamba by yet. Only Kareem, Mamba, and MJ have at least 30,000 points AND 5 rings. So as great as Bron is, he still has some distance to get on that level GOAT wise.

[Showtime2001]

He never did.

[feyki]

8-12 ;

Hakeem
Kobe/Shaq
West
Lebron/Erving

.

[golden24boy]

June 30, 2012...after carrying Miami without Bosh throughout the playoffs and to a Finals win with an injured Bosh. Larry Bird soon after called it the best playoff run of all time.

And given that Kobe only had one Finals run where he was unquestionably the best player on his team, this feat by Lebron put him above Kobe on the all-time list.
https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/lebron-hate.jpg?w=1000 :applause:

[TheImmortal]

Never has and never will.. keep dreaming though LeBrantards. :lol :lol :lol


2/7 :rockon:

[GrapeApe]

I think Lebron and Kobe are in the same tier in terms of all-time ranking.

1st tier: Jordan, KAJ, Russell, Wilt
2nd tier: Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq
3rd tier: Lebron, Kobe, Hakeem, Moses

They aren't necessarily in order within the tiers, but I think those groupings reflect the general positioning of the consensus top 12. It's all subjective of course and varies based on each person's individual criteria.

[TheImmortal]

Only MJ and maybe Kareem have a legit argument over Kobe. Kobe is at least top 5 All-Time.

[Cold soul]

Exactly right! I have Bron in the top 10 GOAT, but he hasn't passed Mamba by yet. Only Kareem, Mamba, and MJ have at least 30,000 points AND 5 rings. So as great as Bron is, he still has some distance to get on that level GOAT wise.

Agreed I do however expect Lebron to surpass Kobe eventually.

[Cold soul]

I think Lebron and Kobe are in the same tier in terms of all-time ranking.

1st tier: Jordan, KAJ, Russell, Wilt
2nd tier: Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq
3rd tier: Lebron, Kobe, Hakeem, Moses

They aren't necessarily in order within the tiers, but I think those groupings reflect the general positioning of the consensus top 12. It's all subjective of course and varies based on each person's individual criteria.

Solid tiers you got there but Kobe should be in 2nd tier he had better career than both Shaq and Bird.

[bizil]

Agreed I do however expect Lebron to surpass Kobe eventually.

I agree that Bron(if he stays healthy) will pass Kobe and other top 10 GOATs by the time is career is done. The question is how far will Bron climb up the GOAT chart. The numbers he has a chance to put will be SCARY!!

[Smoke117]

When he won his first championship.

[34-24 Footwork]

No way kobe and Lebron are in the same tier. When defenders give you 12 inches of spaces to shoot, kiss goodbye to GOAT status.

[gilalizard]

He has not. And very likely never will.

He's received far too much ref help throughout his entire career. Far more than Kobe. Which meas it's an absolutely staggering, historical amount.

And yet with all that ref help he's still came up short a shocking amount of times.

[Lebron23]

He's always been better than Him. LBJ just needs the team success to be able to formally surpass him.

[JebronLames]

2010 when he won his second mvp

[Mr Feeny]

Passed him a long time ago and and the gap has gotten much wider over the past few years. He's significantly higher on most people's all time lists for a reason.
It's isn't really that close at this point.

[IllegalD]

Never passed him.

Only ESPN and insecure LeBron Stans on this board (who are melting down because their boy will never win another ring, nor will he have a legendary final act like KB60) believe that.

:lebroncry:

One more finals loss and LeBron will be out of the Top 15 though. :lebronamazed:

[SouBeachTalents]

Never passed him.

Only ESPN and insecure LeBron Stans on this board (who are melting down because their boy will never win another ring, nor will he have a legendary final act like KB60) believe that.

:lebroncry:

One more finals loss and LeBron will be out of the Top 15 though. :lebronamazed:

If LeBron loses to the Pistons though, will he still be in the top 15? Or does he get penalized more for making the Finals instead?

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Dr. J, Moses, and Hakeem...

all anywhere in the 8-13 range.

But in no way is Lebron higher than that. No matter what that ESPN "Panel of Experts" (aka...their night janitors) may have listed.

[Gileraracer]

Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Dr. J, Moses, and Hakeem...

all anywhere in the 8-13 range.

But in no way is Lebron higher than that. No matter what that ESPN "Panel of Experts" (aka...their night janitors) may have listed.

If Hakeem is 8 - 13 then your Boy Wilt is 20 at best.

Hakeem was better at anything in a wayyyyyy better era of bball where not only midgets where playing.

[LAZERUSS]

If Hakeem is 8 - 13 then your Boy Wilt is 20 at best.

Hakeem was better at anything in a wayyyyyy better era of bball where not only midgets where playing.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hakeem was SLAUGHTERED by a 39 year old KAJ.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

But thanks for the good laugh.

[IllegalD]

If LeBron loses to the Pistons though, will he still be in the top 15? Or does he get penalized more for making the Finals instead?

:biggums:

If he loses to the Pistons it'll be one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) upset in NBA history (to go along with the 2011 loss to the Mavs). It'll be even WORSE for his legacy if it goes down like that. :roll:

[Dr Hawk]

Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Dr. J, Moses, and Hakeem...

all anywhere in the 8-13 range.

But in no way is Lebron higher than that. No matter what that ESPN "Panel of Experts" (aka...their night janitors) may have listed.

Hakeem is in the 3-6 range

[LAZERUSS]

Hakeem is in the 3-6 range

If you include Duncan...

on the list of All-time Centers, Hakeem is either 6 or 7.

1. Wilt
2.KAJ
3. Russell
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Moses or Hakeem

[BlueandGold]

lol Lebron will go down as one of the biggest chokers in NBA history.

[aj1987]

lol Lebron will go down as one of the biggest chokers in NBA history.
Imagine that though. The GOAT choker surpassing 12be in only 13 seasons...:eek:

[SouBeachTalents]

Imagine that though. The GOAT choker surpassing 12be in only 13 seasons...:eek:

While having just as many FMVP's, better playoff & Finals numbers and having a polar opposite performance in Game 7 of the Finals

[ArbitraryWater]

I agree that Bron(if he stays healthy) will pass Kobe and other top 10 GOATs by the time is career is done. The question is how far will Bron climb up the GOAT chart. The numbers he has a chance to put will be SCARY!!

does being a better player matter to you, or some of you people at all these days?

So once he reaches some arbitrary longevity milestone hes greater all of the sudden?

[tpols]

does being a better player matter to you, or some of you people at all these days?

So once he reaches some arbitrary longevity milestone hes greater all of the sudden?

if we go by that kobe got an even healthier lead .. as of now, Lebron is basically a karl malone, lord knows bran wouldnt have won a damn thing in mj's era w/ no collusion. :lol

[34-24 Footwork]

While having just as many FMVP's, better playoff & Finals numbers and having a polar opposite performance in Game 7 of the Finals

And the same number of Champion ships as Wade and Lebron combined :applause: :applause:

[bizil]

does being a better player matter to you, or some of you people at all these days?

So once he reaches some arbitrary longevity milestone hes greater all of the sudden?

What the hell are u talking about?? GOAT status includes a number of factors. Given the fact that Bron is only 31 AND already has an epic resume, its VERY CONCEIVABLE he will pass Kobe by GOAT wise at some point. Time is on Bron's side in that regard. THEN AGAIN, he might not pass Kobe by because u never know what will happen in the future. But three KEY things Bron has on Kobe already:

- 4 MVPs

- Redefined the SF position. Kobe didn't redefine the SG position in such a way. Him being SO SIMILAR to MJ likely hurt him in that regard

- Likely the most versatile player of all time.

If Bron adds to his ring count and keeps putting up epic numbers, Bron DESERVES to pass Kobe by on a GOAT list. So OF COURSE if Bron keeps hitting milestones IT WILL HELP HIM PASS KOBE BY GOAT WISE!! DUMBASS!! Peak-better player status AND GOAT status are two different things. For example, I think Shaq is a better player than Bill Russell was. BUT GOAT wise, Russ has the edge on Shaq.