GOAT mid-range shooters?

[Dr Hawk]

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Dirk

Anyone else?

[Nilocon165]

Lebron
Just kidding

[InsanityKills]

Kobe

[ArbitraryWater]

We've had this thread many times now, and it wont get any better with a shitty OP like this.

[Dr Hawk]

We've had this thread many times now, and it wont get any better with a shitty OP like this.

I have never seen this thread before tbh, that's why I started it

[feyki]

Oscar
West
Nash
Sam Jones
Wade ..

[Dr Hawk]

Oscar
West
Nash
Sam Jones
Wade ..

Oh yeah, West and Nash definitely. Paul too. And Bird

[Dray n Klay]

Dirk
Bird
Wilkins
Elgin Baylor
LeBron
Clyde drexler
Rip Hamilton



Take your pick

[jlip]

Rip Hamilton belongs in this conversation.

[Dr Hawk]

Dirk
Bird
Wilkins
Elgin Baylor
LeBron
Clyde drexler
Rip Hamilton



Take your pick

There is a black sheep here

[Klay 3D]

Too much to list but this year give me Shaun Livingston and Evan Turner. Seems like it's always money for them

[riseagainst]

lebron ames

[qrich]

RIP Hamilton
Sam Cassell


First two names that came to mind.

[Dray n Klay]

There is a black sheep here


Baylor??


He was pretty good

[feyki]

Oh yeah, West and Nash definitely. Paul too. And Bird

Yes , Paul and Bird great too .



Dirk
Bird
Wilkins
Elgin Baylor
LeBron
Clyde drexler
Rip Hamilton



Take your pick


No way bro .

[Dray n Klay]

Yes , Paul and Bird great too .





No way bro .
??

[ShawkFactory]

At high volume, from what I have read/heard, the GOATs have got to be West, Bird, Jordan, and Dirk.

Dennis Johnson was great though.

[FKAri]

Durant's gotta be up there.

[Cold soul]

Jordan
Kobe
Dirk
Durant
Rip Hamilton
West

[PHILA]

Hal Greer
Paul Arizin

[feyki]

??

Lebron was around %35 on midrange shots , beside of Heat years . Only Elgin was solid from mid range in that group . They weren't great , goat ? Not even close .

[the mesiah]

I'll throw some big men in that group:
Patrick Ewing
Rik smits
karl malone
Kevin garnett

[feyki]

Hal Greer
Paul Arizin

Yes , Arizin should be there .

[qrich]

Elton Brand was turning into a deadly mid-range shooter until he got injured.

[stephanieg]

Most of these "GOATs" people are listing can't hit 85% FT for their career (Jordan, Kobe, West). Some can't even hit 80% (LeBron, Wade, Drexler, Baylor).

[bizil]

Names that haven't been mentioned:

McAdoo
English
Bernard King
Dantley
Gervin


By position, my all midrange team would be:

PG: Big O
SG: MJ
SF: Bird
PF: Dirk
C: McAdoo

[CuterThanRubio]

Aldridge

[feyki]

Names that haven't been mentioned:

McAdoo
English
Bernard King
Dantley
Gervin


By position, my all midrange team would be:

PG: Big O
SG: MJ
SF: Bird
PF: Dirk
C: McAdoo

I agree with five , beside of MJ . West was better shooter imo .

My five with different names ;

Nash
West
Hondo or Barry or Paul Pierce
Pettit
Cowens

[Nash]

Melo?

[Overdrive]

Most of these "GOATs" people are listing can't hit 85% FT for their career (Jordan, Kobe, West). Some can't even hit 80% (LeBron, Wade, Drexler, Baylor).

Yeah and some 90+% FT shooters can't hit a 15 foot-non spot up jumper to save their life.

[bizil]

I agree with five , beside of MJ . West was better shooter imo .

My five with different names ;

Nash
West
Hondo or Barry or Paul Pierce
Pettit
Cowens

I agree that West is overall a better shooter than MJ. Because Logo had tremendous three point range, even though they didn't count the three ball in his day. But in terms of midrange shooting, I would rather have MJ's combo of size, athletic ability, handles, and fundamental skills. West had some of those elements too. But MJ's size and athletic ability swing it his way in my opinion.

[bizil]

Melo?

Melo for sure belongs! Among SF's, I think he's in the top 5 of all time with Bird, King, English, etc. And among the SF's of the last 10 years, Melo's game reminds me the most of those epic midrange SF's in the 80's.

[aj1987]

Why is Kobe being mentioned? He had like 3 elite midrange seasons in his 20 years in the league. For his career, Kobe is a 40.2% mid-range shooter. To put that in perspective, Wade is at 38.9% and LeBron is at 38.4%, which translates to Kobe scoring ~0.7-1.5 points a game more than Wade and LeBron (just to take volume into account).


Anyways, my top 5:
MJ
Bird
Dirk
KD (KD is shooting ~43% of his career and ~47% over the past couple of years. Will calculate it later)
West

[Overdrive]

Why is Kobe being mentioned? He had like 3 elite midrange seasons in his 20 years in the league. For his career, Kobe is a 40.2% mid-range shooter. To put that in perspective, Wade is at 38.9% and LeBron is at 38.4%, which translates to Kobe scoring ~0.7-1.5 points a game more than Wade and LeBron (just to take volume into account).


I think it's more about perception here than raw stats. Kobe simply scored alot from midrange and that's why his overall FG% is so low, but he's largely remembered for being a shooting type of scorer.

[Meticode]

I'll throw some big men in that group:
Patrick Ewing
Rik smits
karl malone
Kevin garnett
This. I remember watching him play in Boston against the Cavs and everytime he shot from mid-range you felt like was going in every time. Similar to Curry shooting threes now.

[aj1987]

I think it's more about perception here than raw stats. Kobe simply scored alot from midrange and that's why his overall FG% is so low, but he's largely remembered for being a shooting type of scorer.
True, but for his career, he scores ~1 point more than Wade (a game) from midrange and ~1.5 more than LeBron.

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

That's 1.08 points more than LeBron in the PO's. Even the volume doesn't make a significant difference.

[raprap]

Lol @ kobe

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Kiwi will be on this list when it's all said and done.

:rockon:

[Dr Hawk]

Lol @ kobe

Kobe is absolutely elite at mid-range and is among the best ever at mid-range shooting, along with Jordan, Dirk, Nash, Paul, West, etc...

[Overdrive]

True, but for his career, he scores ~1 point more than Wade (a game) from midrange and ~1.5 more than LeBron.

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

That's 1.08 points more than LeBron in the PO's. Even the volume doesn't make a significant difference.

Very informative post, thanks.

[Dr Hawk]

Kiwi will be on this list when it's all said and done.

:rockon:

He is a .478 FG% mid-range shooter so far in his career :eek: :eek:

I didn't expect that

[Spurs5Rings2014]

He is a .478 FG% mid-range shooter so far in his career :eek: :eek:

I didn't expect that

:cheers:

[L.Kizzle]

Charles Oakley
Glenn Robinson
Mike Bibby

[Jacks3]

lol @ idiots suggesting Kobe shouldn't be up there.

Read this: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/courtvision-kobe-bryant-and-the-elbow-test/


Over the past six seasons, his favorite shot away from the rim has been near the elbows, particularly near the right elbow (graphic left), where he has attempted 1,900 shots, making 45 percent of them, which is 6 percent above the NBA average from that area. Six percent may not seem like a lot, but in baseball, 6 percent separates a .260 hitter from a .320 hitter, which is obviously significant.

[QUOTE]Even those impressive efficiency percentages still obscure what makes Kobe the most remarkable midrange jump shooter in the league. It

[Cold soul]

Kobe is absolutely elite at mid-range and is among the best ever at mid-range shooting, along with Jordan, Dirk, Nash, Paul, West, etc...

Agreed the mid range game was Kobe bread and butter he was money. Kobe was amazing from mid range people saying otherwise are only fooling themselves.

[ShawkFactory]

lol @ idiots suggesting Kobe shouldn't be up there.

Read this: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/courtvision-kobe-bryant-and-the-elbow-test/





From 2001-2013 he shot a terrific 45% from 10-16 feet with a peak of 51%! and 41%+ from 16-23 feet, which is well above league-average....all on huge volume. He's easily one of the best mid-range shooters ever.

Clowns. :facepalm
Most seem to be giving the best by position. MJ > Kobe in this regard.

[inclinerator]

shaun livingston

[tpols]

True, but for his career, he scores ~1 point more than Wade (a game) from midrange and ~1.5 more than LeBron.

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

That's 1.08 points more than LeBron in the PO's. Even the volume doesn't make a significant difference.

why do you always lie and distort statistics .. ?

"jumpshots" arent just midrange .. we have the data for midrange in the playoffs for all of these players.



Kobe- 45% 10-16 ft, 40% 16-3pt ... 46% of total volume
Wade- 40% 10-16 ft, 39% 16-3pt ... 42% of total volume
Lebron- 35% 10-16 ft, 36% 16-3pt ... 31% of total volume



those are the facts. Kobe has the highest percentages and highest volumes. Wade is pretty good but still a solid notch below. Lebron is god awful.

[Dray n Klay]

Wait.. People in this thread are arguing that Kobe is a better mid range shooter than LeBron??? :roll: :roll:



This is why I love ISH

[tpols]

and Dirk is the GOAT midrange shooter

48% 10-16 ft, 44% 16-3pt ... 54% of total volume


thats GOAT level midrange

[JebronLames]

Even tho LeBron is not a good free throw shooter, he is the GOAT midrange shooter

[Jacks3]

Most seem to be giving the best by position. MJ > Kobe in this regard.

MJ being better doesn't mean Kobe wasn't elite.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan
Nash
Dirk
Bird

Those are the best I've seen.

[ShawkFactory]

MJ being better doesn't mean Kobe wasn't elite.
That's very true. Also not what I said.

Kobe isn't on the level of the midrange GOATs that have been listed here

[theaussieguy]

Lets be real, steph curry

[TommyGriffin]

Anthony Davis once he gets healthy.

[Pushxx]

Delonte West

[Jacks3]

That's very true. Also not what I said.

Kobe isn't on the level of the midrange GOATs that have been listed here

Why? Because you said so? :oldlol:

Prime Kobe is absolutely on the same level as a guy like Jordan and several other guys who have been mentioned.

Again:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/courtvision-kobe-bryant-and-the-elbow-test/


Over the past six seasons, his favorite shot away from the rim has been near the elbows, particularly near the right elbow (graphic left), where he has attempted 1,900 shots, making 45 percent of them, which is 6 percent above the NBA average from that area. Six percent may not seem like a lot, but in baseball, 6 percent separates a .260 hitter from a .320 hitter, which is obviously significant.


[QUOTE]Even those impressive efficiency percentages still obscure what makes Kobe the most remarkable midrange jump shooter in the league. It

[ClipperRevival]

There are so many ways to shoot this shot.

* Pull up from transition
* Set shot
* Pull up off a 1 or 2 dribble
* Pull up off a live dribble
* Catch and shoot
* Step back
* Turn around fade away

Some were GOAT at one thing like Rip off the catch and shoot. But combining all factors, MJ was the GOAT.

[Prime_Shaq]

Sam Cassell

[Lebronxrings]

Wait.. People in this thread are arguing that Kobe is a better mid range shooter than LeBron??? :roll: :roll:



This is why I love ISH
its a weak era in trolling. :(

[tpols]

There are so many ways to shoot this shot.

* Pull up from transition
* Set shot
* Pull up off a 1 or 2 dribble
* Pull up off a live dribble
* Catch and shoot
* Step back
* Turn around fade away

Some were GOAT at one thing like Rip off the catch and shoot. But combining all factors, MJ was the GOAT.


eh.. effectiveness > in this case to me


Dirk didnt have all the twists and turns MJ had, but defenses knew exactly what he was gonna do, and he did it anyway. Defenses had to play MJ for both the drive and the shot.

[ClipperRevival]

Rip Hamilton belongs in this conversation.

GOAT ever at the catch and shoot from midrange. Such quick release from the time he caught it to the release.

[ClipperRevival]

eh.. effectiveness > in this case to me


Dirk didnt have all the twists and turns MJ had, but defenses knew exactly what he was gonna do, and he did it anyway. Defenses had to play MJ for both the drive and the shot.

Cause the guy was always taller than his defender and could shoot it over them. Dirk is GOAT level too but he didn't possess MJ's GOAT level variety.

[ClipperRevival]

Only a few mentioned CP3. I think he's the best of this generation when you consider the volume and efficiency. It is absolutely a huge part of his offensive game. His bread and butter.

[aj1987]

why do you always lie and distort statistics .. ?

"jumpshots" arent just midrange .. we have the data for midrange in the playoffs for all of these players.

Where did I lie or distort facts? I clearly labeled jumpshots and midrange shots as such. Can't help it if you Kobe fanboys can't differentiate.

From my first post ITT:


Why is Kobe being mentioned? He had like 3 elite midrange seasons in his 20 years in the league. For his career, Kobe is a 40.2% mid-range shooter. To put that in perspective, Wade is at 38.9% and LeBron is at 38.4%, which translates to Kobe scoring ~0.7-1.5 points a game more than Wade and LeBron (just to take volume into account).


Anyways, my top 5:
MJ
Bird
Dirk
KD (KD is shooting ~43% of his career and ~47% over the past couple of years. Will calculate it later)
West



Kobe- 45% 10-16 ft, 40% 16-3pt ... 46% of total volume
Wade- 40% 10-16 ft, 39% 16-3pt ... 42% of total volume
Lebron- 35% 10-16 ft, 36% 16-3pt ... 31% of total volume
Unless my math is WAY off, LeBron for his career shoots 38.4% from 16ft-3pt (midrange according to the NBA).


those are the facts. Kobe has the highest percentages and highest volumes. Wade is pretty good but still a solid notch below. Lebron is god awful.
I agree (sorta), but Kobe is not even close to being in the conversation as one of the GOAT mid-range shooters.

[wally_world]

Russ = GOAT midrange shooter in transition

[Quickening]

So Kobe is the GOAT midrange shooter at 40.2 percent, when Curry shot 45.4 percent from 3 this year? :lol

[TheImmortal]

Kobe is the GOAT midrange shooter

Curry is the GOAT 3pt shooter


/thread

[GOATJono]

JJ Redick off the screens boys

[knicksman]

So Kobe is the GOAT midrange shooter at 40.2 percent, when Curry shot 45.4 percent from 3 this year? :lol


And bran? No wonder he has the worst finals%:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

thread has gained some traction, so, introducing, GOAT mid range shooter:

Dirk's mid-range:

2005-06: 48.2 FG%
2006-07: 49.6 FG%
2007-08: 49.4 FG%
2008-09: 47.6 FG%
2009-10: 46.7 FG%
2010-11: 52.9 FG%
2013-14: 50.4 FG%

comparison:

Jordan's mid-range

1995-96:
1996-97: 48.9% FG
1997-98: 43.2% FG

MJ's mid-range was never better than during '96 and '97.

Dirk 2011 is the GOAT mid range shooting season, with GOAT level efficiency (53%) and volume (667 attempts).

[aj1987]

thread has gained some traction, so, introducing, GOAT mid range shooter:

Dirk's mid-range:

2005-06: 48.2 FG%
2006-07: 49.6 FG%
2007-08: 49.4 FG%
2008-09: 47.6 FG%
2009-10: 46.7 FG%
2010-11: 52.9 FG%
2013-14: 50.4 FG%

comparison:

Jordan's mid-range

1995-96:
1996-97: 48.9% FG
1997-98: 43.2% FG

MJ's mid-range was never better than during '96 and '97.

Dirk 2011 is the GOAT mid range shooting season, with GOAT level efficiency (53%) and volume (667 attempts).
It was 52%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01/shooting/2011/

16ft-3pt. That's the NBA's definition of mid-range.

Also, I don't know where you got MJ's numbers from, as they started tracking shot distances in the '02 season.

'02 - 40.9% on 528 attempts a game
'03 - 42.4% on 665 attempts a game

He did that 38 and 39. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dr Hawk]

I thought 10-16 was mid range and 16<3pt long range

[feyki]

I thought 10-16 was mid range and 16<3pt long range

12-18 is more accurately .

[ClipperRevival]

thread has gained some traction, so, introducing, GOAT mid range shooter:

Dirk's mid-range:

2005-06: 48.2 FG%
2006-07: 49.6 FG%
2007-08: 49.4 FG%
2008-09: 47.6 FG%
2009-10: 46.7 FG%
2010-11: 52.9 FG%
2013-14: 50.4 FG%

comparison:

Jordan's mid-range

1995-96:
1996-97: 48.9% FG
1997-98: 43.2% FG

MJ's mid-range was never better than during '96 and '97.

Dirk 2011 is the GOAT mid range shooting season, with GOAT level efficiency (53%) and volume (667 attempts).

MJ operated out of the post more with the fade away in his 2nd 3 peat but his midrange wasn't at its best in terms of efficiency and variety when he was 33 and 34 years old. It's unfair to use any player's numbers at 33/34 and say that was the best he had to offer.

For instance, MJ's FG% up until 1993 (1984 - 1993) was .517%, which is amazing for a perimeter player. His FG% in his 2nd 3 peat (1996 - 1998) was .482%. This has some to do with operating out of the midpost more and taking a lot more fade aways but it also simply means he lost some of his athleticism and wasn't as explosive and it was harder for him to get the cleaner looks that he had in his prime.

[aj1987]

12-18 is more accurately .
Nope 16ft (IIRC) and out to the 3pt line, going by the NBA's definition of a mid-range shot.

[tpols]

Unless my math is WAY off, LeBron for his career shoots 38.4% from 16ft-3pt (midrange according to the NBA).


your math is off. We have Lebron's shot charts (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) from the playoffs.. he is 36.1% shooter in the playoffs from 16-3pt. And 35.0% 10-16ft. Kobe is 45% and 40% respectively on a much higher volume. Its a very signifigant difference.



I think your lumping in Lebron's regular season into this.. well its no surprise, Lebrons midrange efficiency decreases in the playoffs while Kobe's went up

[ArbitraryWater]

It was 52%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01/shooting/2011/

16ft-3pt. That's the NBA's definition of mid-range.

Also, I don't know where you got MJ's numbers from, as they started tracking shot distances in the '02 season.

'02 - 40.9% on 528 attempts a game
'03 - 42.4% on 665 attempts a game

He did that 38 and 39. :bowdown: :bowdown:

well, we had this before, yeah, 16-23 feet..

BR does 0-3, 3-10, 10-16, 16 and on...
Hoopsdata does 0-2, 3-9, 10-15, 16-23, 3's...
NBA.com does in 5 feet and 8 feet steps, and an extra category for mid-range (without noting the 16-23 feet mark), but their numbers seem to differ from Hoopsdata's.

I rounded off.

https://i.gyazo.com/0a3c1b8948387099a0bdf9b2bfbfd339.png

NBA's digital play-by-play data only goes back to the 96-97 season, but right now cant find it.

[aj1987]

your math is off. We have Lebron's shot charts (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html) from the playoffs.. he is 36.1% shooter in the playoffs from 16-3pt. And 35.0% 10-16ft. Kobe is 45% and 40% respectively on a much higher volume. Its a very signifigant difference.
I did it for just the RS.


I think your lumping in Lebron's regular season into this.. well its no surprise, Lebrons midrange efficiency decreases in the playoffs while Kobe's went up
Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

That's 1.08 points more than LeBron in the PO's. Even the volume doesn't make a significant difference.

All that shooting and Kobe literally scored a point more than LeBron in the PO's.

Again, I'm talking about jumpshots NOW. Not just midrange.

[tpols]

Again, I'm talking about jumpshots NOW. Not just midrange.


why would you go outside of the scope of the thread and include 3 pointers (or other areas outside midrange) ? it makes no sense, and is exposing your agenda... and why wont you use the playoffs in your initial comparisons? hmm lol .. youre not fooling anyone

[stalkerforlife]

tpols making aj look like a fool...AGAIN.

aj the "Heat" fan is such an embarrassment.

[aj1987]

why would you go outside of the scope of the thread and include 3 pointers (or other areas outside midrange) ? it makes no sense, and is exposing your agenda... and why wont you use the playoffs in your initial comparisons? lol .. youre not fooling anyone
I didn't use the PO's, because I used the RS stats earlier and now I usually just copy paste them whenever threads pop-up. You can calculate the PO's if you want to. I'm 100% sure than Kobe shoots a better percentage than LeBron, but when you look the actual difference in points, it's basically negligible. ~1.5 points a game, from players who score 25+.

Whatever though. This thread is about GOAT midrange shooters and neither Kobe nor LeBron are on that GOAT tier. LeBron isn't even close, TBH.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Anybody that knows basketball...knows the one thing Kobe has on LeBron is midrange shooting. Like, dude is at least a tier or two above in that regard.

I would say Dirk, Bernard King, Nash, CP3, MJ and Alex English were the kings of midrange tho. Kobe's had seasons where he was in that class too.

[stalkerforlife]

Why? Because you said so? :oldlol:

Prime Kobe is absolutely on the same level as a guy like Jordan and several other guys who have been mentioned.

Again:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/courtvision-kobe-bryant-and-the-elbow-test/







From 2001-2013 he shot a terrific 45% from 10-16 feet with a peak of 51%! and 41%+ from 16-23 feet, which is well above league-average....all on huge volume. He's easily one of the best mid-range shooters ever.

Here's some more data for your dumbass

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Goldsberry_Sloan_Submission.pdf







Player Spread %
1. Kobe Bryant 1,071 83.4%
2. Lebron James 1,047 81.5%
3. Vince Carter 1,005 78.3%
4. Joe Johnson 992 77.3%
5. Rudy Gay 983 76.6%
6. Antawn Jamison 965 75.2%
7. Andre Igudola 962 74.9%
8. Ray Allen 952 74.1%
8. Kevin Durant 949 73.9%
10. Danny Granger 948 73.8%
Table 1: Top 10 players in Spread metric

Player Range %
1. Steve Nash 406 31.6%
2. Ray Allen 386 30.1%
3. Kobe Bryant 383 29.8%
4. Dirk Nowitzki 373 29.0%
5. Rashard Lewis 354 27.6%
6. Joe Johnson 352 27.4%
7. Vince Carter 343 26.7%
8. Paul Pierce 332 25.9%
8. Rudy Gay 332 25.9%
10. Danny Granger 331 25.8%
Table 2: Top 10 players in Range metric

Advanced stats show that between 2006 - 2011 (during which Kobe won back-to-back titles) Kobe attempted more Field Goals from more locations on the floor than any player in the league. He also was the 3rd most efficient from scoring at the most positions on the floor, behind only Steve Nash and Ray Allen.


Now where's your evidence for Bryant not being elite? GTFO you dolt.

Absolute ether.

[stalkerforlife]

I didn't use the PO's, because I used the RS stats earlier and now I usually just copy paste them whenever threads pop-up. You can calculate the PO's if you want to. I'm 100% sure than Kobe shoots a better percentage than LeBron, but when you look the actual difference in points, it's basically negligible. ~1.5 points a game, from players who score 25+.

Whatever though. This thread is about GOAT midrange shooters and neither Kobe nor LeBron are on that GOAT tier. LeBron isn't even close, TBH.

You're a joke. :lol

[tpols]

Whatever though. This thread is about GOAT midrange shooters and neither Kobe nor LeBron are on that GOAT tier. LeBron isn't even close, TBH.

Kobe is one of the GOAT midrange shooters .. hes not the GOAT, but hes right there with anyone outside Dirk, MJ and Larry Bird. top ~5 GOAT, its literally the strongest point of his game that provided him a top 10 GOAT career.

your agenda has already been exposed, pal. you havent convinced anyone

[stalkerforlife]

aj is the worst kind of Branvestite...he pretends not to be.

Dude is NOT a Heat fan, and is so obsessed with Bran, that he pretends to be one so he can try to make people think he's objective.

[tpols]

aj is the worst kind of Branvestite...he pretends not to be.

Dude is NOT a Heat fan, and is so obsessed with Bran, that he pretends to be one so he can try to make people think he's objective.

its amazing the lengths the guy goes to to lie, distort and diminish.. it'd be like me running up in a GOAT finishers thread w/ a bunch of bullshit how brans not one of the best ever.


Its one thing to hate, but if youre gonna do it, you have to pick and choose your battles.

[aj1987]

Kobe is one of the GOAT midrange shooters .. hes not the GOAT, but hes right there with anyone outside Dirk, MJ and Larry Bird. top ~5 GOAT, its literally the strongest point of his game that provided him a top 10 GOAT career.

your agenda has already been exposed, pal. you havent convinced anyone
Again, Wade for his career is pretty much close to Kobe as a mid-range shooter. Is he GOAT level? :oldlol: Not even close.

Dirk, MJ, KD, etc. are/were all shooting over 45% for a significant period of time. Kobe is like 5% under them. I know that you want to prop up your boy, but he's an good midrange shooter at BEST. Not even close to being GOAT level.

You're crying about how I have an agenda and shit, but you're saying a career 40% midrange shooter is GOAT level. :roll:

FOH, Chokebe stan.


its amazing the lengths the guy goes to to lie, distort and diminish.. it'd be like me running up in a GOAT finishers thread w/ a bunch of bullshit how brans not one of the best ever.

Where did I lie or distort? Do you even know the meaning of those words? I've CLEARLY labeled their percentages as midrange (which was my FIRST post ITT) and as jumpers. If you Chokebe stans can't read properly, it's not my problem.

tl;dr - When you brick 60% of your midrange shots, you cannot be grouped into the GOAT tier.