Imagine if Curry DID MORE: involved in MORE possessions (usage) at same efficiency

[3ball]

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Curry DOING MORE = MJ


MJ was involved in more possessions, at higher points-per-possession.. He simply DID MORE:



Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:. 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:. 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg




1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:. 32.6% usage.. 125 ORtg



Curry's lower points-per-possession is due to his higher turnovers, which shouldn't be surprising.. Curry isn't capable of getting 40 points without at least 2 turnovers - he only has ONE 40 point game with 1 or zero turnovers, while Jordan had 130 such games thru 7 seasons (1993).

Ultimately, 2016 was Curry's first time having similar offensive impact to Jordan - however, Jordan was 3 inches taller and the best defender at his position as well.. Curry only does half the job, whereas Jordan performed Iggy's duties on defense (guarding Magic, Drexler) and still provided goat offensive impact - that's why Jordan has 6 FMVP's, to Curry's 0.
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[Nilocon165]

***** shut the **** up go jerk off to 90s videos of a big black man putting balls in hoops

[AirBonner]

***** shut the **** up go jerk off to 90s videos of a big black man putting balls in hoops
Shook as *** :roll: :roll: :roll:

[I know you are]

***** shut the **** up go jerk off to 90s videos of a big black man putting balls in hoops
:roll:

[riseagainst]

Why would an unselfish player like Curry want to ballhog like MJ?

Curry creates his own shots while getting double teamed so he could assist his teammates and make them better. This the higher Ast%

While MJ gets assisted by Pippen, and other times he just ballhogs.

Curry makes his teammates better, improves their efficiency while also maintaining GOAT level efficiency himself.

While MJ always ballhogs, gets setup by his teammates, and still couldn't reach the level of efficiency Curry has.

[ShawkFactory]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Quickening]

Imagine if mj could average 30ppg on 63 percent efg like Curry.... MJ peak efg is 8 percent less than this, CRAZY EFFICIENCY!!

[Living Being]

Why not factor in assists when mentioning turnover?

[Straight_Ballin]

OP has Curry gen shook as fvck! :oldlol:

Almost been 20 years since MJ won his last finals and best player of current era still can't do enough to match such a level of GOATNESS.

Non MJ era stays loosing. :roll:

[3ball]

1) MJ gets setup by his teammates

2) and still couldn't reach the level of efficiency Curry has.



1) Both Curry and Jordan get setup by teammates about half the time:



CURRYS ASSISTED RATE 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):. 46.6%
JORDAN ASSISTED RATE 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):. 53.0%
JORDAN ASSISTED RATE 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):. 50.9%



2) And Curry had lower points-per-possession efficiency



So both of your claims are wrong...





Curry makes his teammates better and improves their efficiency


Draymond improved under Curry's tuteledge, but that's no different than Pippen going from a 7 ppg rookie to HOF under Jordan's tuteledge, or Horace Grant saying his career was due to MJ:


"If it wasn't for MJ, I don't think I'd be sitting here right now. I mean, would've had a decent career, but for a leader like that to lead you to 3 championships..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m44s


Or Jordan putting Kerr on the map by tossing him the Finals-winning assist in 1997... And on.. And on... And on.. Jordan gave guys CAREERS.

And we don't know whether Curry improves teammates' efficiency since guys like Klay and Draymond have ALWAYS played with Curry - we don't know what their efficiency would be without him.






MJ gets assisted by Pippen, and otherwise just ballhogs



MJ led the Bulls is assist % for BOTH three-peats:



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced



In addition to leading the Bulls in passing, Jordan scored at least 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career... No other all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series, let alone by 10 ppg.
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[Quickening]

OP has Curry gen shook as fvck! :oldlol:

Almost been 20 years since MJ won his last finals and best player of current era still can't do enough to match such a level of GOATNESS.

Non MJ era stays loosing. :roll:
MJ has actually been surpassed offensively and it eats old gits like you alive :lol

WHAT A TIME!

[tpols]

Draymond improved under Curry's tuteledge, but that's no different than Pippen going from a 7 ppg rookie to HOF under Jordan's tuteledge, or Horace Grant saying his career was due to MJ:


Scottie Pippen was a lottery pick, 5th overall. Draymond was second round, 35th pick .. curry did more with less. You need to have Duncan/Curry combination off ball impact + unselfishness to turn a second round pick to all nba calibre player.

[LoneyROY7]

3ball says Curry was assisted more and then proceeds to post a lower assisted percentage for Curry and two higher percentages for MJ. :oldlol:

Take this L.

[3ball]

3ball says Curry was assisted more and then proceeds to post a lower assisted percentage for Curry and two higher percentages for MJ. :oldlol:

Take this L.
fixed

[ShawkFactory]

OP has Curry gen shook as fvck! :oldlol:

Almost been 20 years since MJ won his last finals and best player of current era still can't do enough to match such a level of GOATNESS.

Non MJ era stays loosing. :roll:
You think its US that's shook???

This is like the 5th Curry thread in the last week that OP has made. All with the same shit.

We just fine

[LoneyROY7]

fixed

:roll:

You were wrong bud. Curry gets assisted nearly 7 percent less than Michael, demonstrating his truly superior ability to create his own offense.

[Straight_Ballin]

You think its US that's shook???

This is like the 5th Curry thread in the last week that OP has made. All with the same shit.

We just fine

Why is is so hard for current gen to provide a player that can go at least 6/6 in the finals with at least 6 finals MVP to back it up? Until that happens, non MJ era will continue to be shook.

Current era superstar that is a one way player can't even win his own finals MVP!

Curry already out of the conversation before his 2nd finals even started!

If that's the best that can be offered we might as well get our free t-shirt and head home....

What year is Lebron's son eligible for the NBA draft again...?

[3ball]

We just fine


Yeah right - imagine if Curry was involved in MORE possessions for his team at higher points-per-possession.

Essentially, imagine if he DID MORE - then he'd be Jordan, but only 50% of the time, since Jordan was also the best defender ever at his position.

Stay shook

[Straight_Ballin]

Yeah right - imagine if Curry was involved in MORE possessions for his team at higher points-per-possession.

Essentially, imagine if he DID MORE - then he'd be Jordan, but only 50% of the time, since Jordan was also the best defender ever at his position.

Stay shook

Got em....

[Quickening]

Curry shoots 63 percent efg on 30ppg... MJ has never shot over 55 percent!!!!

Curry is the GOAT offensive player!

What a time to be a basketball fan, we're all witnesses!!

[riseagainst]

"imagine if he did more..."

:lol :lol

Curry does do more than MJ....

/thread

[Straight_Ballin]

What exactly does Curry do more of? Losing his FMVP to teammates unlike MJ? More empty shelf space on the wall that lacks a DPOY perhaps?

On 2nd thought fvck DPOY, and he even make 2nd all defensive team?

Weak ass 1-way player superstar era for the LOSS!

:roll:

[Quickening]

What exactly does Curry do more of? Losing his FMVP to teammates unlike MJ? More empty shelf space on the wall that lacks a DPOY perhaps?

On 2nd thought fvck DPOY, and he even make 2nd all defensive team?

Weak ass 1-way player superstar era for the LOSS!

:roll:
He shoots over 30 ppg on 63 percent efg!!! MJ has never gone about 55 percent, that gulf is huge!!!

Curry is that GOAT :bowdown:

[riseagainst]

MJ played along side the 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s.

Meanwhile Curry annihilating all of the top PGs of recent times, as well as top 2 guards.

:bowdown:

[ShawkFactory]

Why is is so hard for current gen to provide a player that can go at least 6/6 in the finals with at least 6 finals MVP to back it up? Until that happens, non MJ era will continue to be shook.

Current era superstar that is a one way player can't even win his own finals MVP!

Curry already out of the conversation before his 2nd finals even started!

If that's the best that can be offered we might as well get our free t-shirt and head home....

What year is Lebron's son eligible for the NBA draft again...?
Is that a question you really need to ask? :facepalm

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah right - imagine if Curry was involved in MORE possessions for his team at higher points-per-possession.

Essentially, imagine if he DID MORE - then he'd be Jordan, but only 50% of the time, since Jordan was also the best defender ever at his position.

Stay shook
Again, not sure you understand that I'm not. Nor are most people here :confusedshrug:

[Straight_Ballin]

Is that a question you really need to ask? :facepalm

Never was a problem during my peak viewing years. :confusedshrug:

[Quickening]

MJ played along side the 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s.

Meanwhile Curry annihilating all of the top PGs of recent times, as well as top 2 guards.

:bowdown:
:applause:

[3ball]

You were wrong bud. Curry gets assisted nearly 7 percent less than Michael, demonstrating his truly superior ability to create his own offense.


Curry shoots many more 3-pointers, so he's assisted on the same number of POINTS:


POINTS assisted on for Curry. 2016:4 12.4
POINTS assisted on for Jordan 1997:. 12.4

[ShawkFactory]

Never was a problem during my peak viewing years. :confusedshrug:
Ok...and?

[Smoke117]

It's the ****ing playoffs...save your goddamn nonsense for the off season.

[3ball]

MJ played along side the 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s.



Jordan had less help - he was required to carry a bigger load than Curry on both ends:


....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR



.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 40.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Jordan's bigger load included scoring at least 10 ppg more than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career.. No other all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series, let alone by 10 ppg like Jordan did - let that sink in..

In addition to his goat scoring load, Jordan led the Bulls in passing too - he led Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49).

[3ball]

It's the ****ing playoffs...save your goddamn nonsense for the off season.


:yaohappy:

Imagine if Curry was involved in MORE possessions for his team at higher points-per-possession.

Essentially, imagine if he DID MORE - then he'd be Jordan, but only 50% of the time, since Jordan was also the best defender ever at his position.

[riseagainst]

:yaohappy:

Imagine if Curry was involved in MORE possessions for his team at higher points-per-possession.

Essentially, imagine if he DID MORE - then he'd be Jordan, but only 50% of the time, since Jordan was also the best defender ever at his position.


:roll:

[FKAri]

If only we could increase this site's traffic through natural means we wouldn't need to restrain ourselves from banning gimmicks like 3ball.

[Smoke117]

:yaohappy:

Imagine if Curry was involved in MORE possessions for his team at higher points-per-possession.

Essentially, imagine if he DID MORE - then he'd be Jordan, but only 50% of the time, since Jordan was also the best defender ever at his position.

You don't even have a pot to stand on when it comes to Curry...you've literally ADMITTED YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE NBA IN ABOUT 5 YEARS. You can't talk about a player you haven't watched you knucklehead.

[3ball]

You don't even have a pot to stand on when it comes to Curry...you've literally ADMITTED YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE NBA IN ABOUT 5 YEARS. You can't talk about a player you haven't watched you knucklehead.

I don't have to watch because we have stats showing that Jordan was involved in MORE POSSESSIONS for his team (usage), while producing more POINTS-per-possession (ORtg) - he simply DID MORE:



Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg




1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% usage.. 125 ORtg



Jordan did more the 50% of the time he was on offense, and was the best defender ever at his position the other 50% on defense.. He was simply better on offense than Curry's 2016 (slightly higher usage with same points-per-possession efficiency, thus DOING MORE), and FAR better defensively.

What part of those facts do you refute?