LeBron 8-24 and 5 turnovers...easy win on the road in the playoffs.

[stalkerforlife]

Why?

Most stacked roster in the league for the 6th straight season in an already weak conference.

Love 20 and 12 on 10 shots.

Irving 26 and 4 on 20 shots.

Bran 19 points on 24 shots.

[Nilocon165]

LeBeast

[Lebronxrings]

12 rebounds, 7 assists, +17

Lebron living rent free

Stay mad Justin. :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Why?

Most stacked roster in the league for the 6th straight season in an already weak conference.

Love 20 and 12 on 10 shots.

Irving 26 and 4 on 20 shots.

Bran 19 points on 24 shots.

Warriors without Curry are the most stacked roster in the league.

The Cavs without Lebron... 4-15 in the last two years, and can't get a shot off.

[InsanityKills]

Why?

Most stacked roster in the league for the 6th straight season in an already weak conference.

Love 20 and 12 on 10 shots.

Irving 26 and 4 on 20 shots.

Bran 19 points on 24 shots.
Justin you seem very stressed out by the success of LeBron, if you need to talk about it PM me when they are reactivated bro. You might need to seek professional help in your condition though.

[Magic 32]

12 rebounds, 7 assists, +17

Lebron living rent free

Stay mad Justin. :oldlol:

Lebron stans happiness in April and May...


http://i.imgur.com/i6ouKrX.gif

[tpols]

Warriors without Curry are the most stacked roster in the league.

The Cavs without Lebron... 4-15 in the last two years, and can't get a shot off.

theyd be a first round team at best :wtf:

[Twiens]

Homeboy looks OLD.

2/7 on the eye-test

[LAZERUSS]

theyd be a first round team at best :wtf:

The only team in the league that can beat them without Curry is the Spurs.

[SouBeachTalents]

Looks like Kobe's Finals Game 7 statline

[tpols]

The only team in the league that can beat them without Curry is the Spurs.

you're .. full of shit.

[Magic 32]

Looks like Kobe's Finals Game 7 statline

Minus the good opponent and the rebounds.

And 10 points in the 4th.

And the championship.

[Dray n Klay]

Minus the good opponent and the rebounds.

And 10 points in the 4th.

And the championship.

Gifted FT's


Only 6 made FG's



Got outplayed by Gasol


A fraudulent FMVP

[GrapeApe]

It's the Pistons. No disrespect to them and I'm a fan of SVG, but it's the Pistons.

[scuzzy]

Minus the good opponent and the rebounds.

And 10 points in the 4th.

And the championship.


Plus leading your team to the worst record

and missing playoffs three straight seasons

or KO'd in the first round

playing no opponent in any round

and sitting at home

sulking


:lol

[stalkerforlife]

Warriors without Curry are the most stacked roster in the league.

The Cavs without Lebron... 4-15 in the last two years, and can't get a shot off.

:facepalm

[Magic 32]

Got outplayed by Gasol

A fraudulent FMVP

Hey, at least he did not steal the ring from his teammate as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByA3pRaCIAASYMf.jpg

[Meticode]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6y13zJlMNw/Uy9TJCOAEII/AAAAAAAAEKw/PH2X2UIGIxk/s1600/3.gif
You'll be okay. The hate will leave your body like a warm blanket covers someone in the middle of a chilly night.

[stalkerforlife]

Minus the good opponent and the rebounds.

And 10 points in the 4th.

And the championship.

:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Hey, at least he did not steal the ring from his teammate as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByA3pRaCIAASYMf.jpg

For real.

[BeastMode24]

most stacked team of al time.

[Nilocon165]

You'll be okay. The hate will leave your body like a warm blanket covers someone in the middle of a chilly night.
:roll:

[Eye Test]

Almost a triple double

LeBeast

[Nilocon165]

Almost a triple double

LeBeast
LeBeast

[Smoke117]

The only team in the league that can beat them without Curry is the Spurs.

Bullshit. The Clippers can take them without Curry...OKC too probably.

[stalkerforlife]

6 straight seasons...zero competition in the east because of the Bran colluding.

6 straight seasons of this BS.

[LAZERUSS]

Bullshit. The Clippers can take them without Curry...OKC too probably.

Nope.

But we may find out.

[stalkerforlife]

Bullshit. The Clippers can take them without Curry...OKC too probably.

Yeah man, sure. OKC would "probably" beat a Curry-less Warriors.

"Probably."

Cringe. :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Nope.

But we may find out.

You're a horrible troll.

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah man, sure. OKC would "probably" beat a Curry-less Warriors.

"Probably."

Cringe. :facepalm

The Warriors would stomp OKC without Curry.

[stalkerforlife]

The Warriors would stomp OKC without Curry.

If there's an ignore feature, which I've obviously never used, you're a candidate.

[LAZERUSS]

If there's an ignore feature, which I've obviously never used, you're a candidate.

The Warriors are a 60+ win team without GAC.

BTW, the Cavs are a 14-68 team without Lebron.

[Nick Young]

Warriors without Curry are the most stacked roster in the league.

The Cavs without Lebron... 4-15 in the last two years, and can't get a shot off.
Warriors without Curry can't even beat the hapless Rockets in Houston, the worst team in the playoffs.

[tmacattack33]

This was Lebron's first subpar game of the playoffs, and he still had 13 rebounds and 7 assists. Scoring was never even Lebron's best trait.

Throughout 3 games he has been the best player in the playoffs, and the OP is mad about that.

In 2008 the haters were trying to tell us that Lebron's athleticism based game wouldn't last past 2015. Guess they were wrong. :lol

[GrapeApe]

6 straight seasons...zero competition in the east because of the Bran colluding.

6 straight seasons of this BS.

The Heat were twice pushed to 7 games in the ECF. In 2011 they had to beat the big 3 Celtics (the same team that just a year before pushed the Lakers to 7) and a 60+ win Bulls team with the league MVP. The Pacers also pushed the Heat to 6 in the 2012 ECSF and 2014 ECF. Last season was the only time Lebron had a somewhat easy path to the finals.

[Smoke117]

Yeah man, sure. OKC would "probably" beat a Curry-less Warriors.

"Probably."

Cringe. :facepalm

I don't like Westbrick or Durant and can't bring myself to say anything good about OKC.

[LAZERUSS]

Warriors without Curry can't even beat the hapless Rockets in Houston, the worst team in the playoffs.

They did win. The NBA admitted it.

A Warrior team that couldn't have played worse, STILL won the game. They are 3-0 without GAC.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Heat were twice pushed to 7 games in the ECF. In 2011 they had to beat the big 3 Celtics (the same team that just a year before pushed the Lakers to 7) and a 60+ win Bulls team with the league MVP. The Pacers also pushed the Heat to 6 in the 2012 ECSF and 2014 ECF. Last season was the only time Lebron had a somewhat easy path to the finals.

2011 they faced legit competition, 2012's was decent, but 2013 on LeBron hasn't faced a legit title contender in the East. If the Cavs do meet the Heat in the ECF, imo that would be his toughest opponent in the East since 2011

[Dray n Klay]

2011 they faced legit competition, 2012's was decent, but 2013 on LeBron hasn't faced a legit title contender in the East. If the Cavs do meet the Heat in the ECF, imo that would be his toughest opponent in the East since 2011

LOL 2014 Pacers? 2015 Hawks??

[DoctorP]

Stacked

[tmacattack33]

2011 they faced legit competition, 2012's was decent, but 2013 on LeBron hasn't faced a legit title contender in the East. If the Cavs do meet the Heat in the ECF, imo that would be his toughest opponent in the East since 2011


LOL at 2012 being "decent". What Lebron did was purely spectacular. Chris Bosh was out against Indiana and Boston. Miami's remaining frontcourt was a joke...Haslem, Anthony, and a senior citizen in Juwan Howard.

Lebron had to have a legendary playoff run for Miami to still beat the Pacers and Celtics. And he did.

[stalkerforlife]

The Heat were twice pushed to 7 games in the ECF. In 2011 they had to beat the big 3 Celtics (the same team that just a year before pushed the Lakers to 7) and a 60+ win Bulls team with the league MVP. The Pacers also pushed the Heat to 6 in the 2012 ECSF and 2014 ECF. Last season was the only time Lebron had a somewhat easy path to the finals.

:facepalm

[warriorfan]

Who has Curry been making meltdown harder lately, a j or laz? :lol

[GrapeApe]

:facepalm

Everything I said is true. My last sentence was an opinion but everything before it was 100% fact. You don't deal well with facts, hence the lack of a response.

[stalkerforlife]

Who has Curry been making meltdown harder lately, a j or laz? :lol

Gotta go with Laz right now.

Dude is saying the Warriors would beat the Clips/OKC without Curry.

Probably trolling, but still melting.

[stalkerforlife]

Everything I said is true. My last sentence was an opinion but everything before it was 100% fact. You don't deal well with facts, hence the lack of a response.

:facepalm

You don't deserve proper responses, Branvestite.

Just :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

:facepalm

You don't deserve proper responses, Branvestite.

Just :facepalm

I'm a Heat fan dipshit. Far from a Lebron stan.

[LAZERUSS]

Gotta go with Laz right now.

Dude is saying the Warriors would beat the Clips/OKC without Curry.

Probably trolling, but still melting.

They will beat both of those teams without Curry. They will probably lose to the 67-15 Spurs without him, but there is no shame in that. They are clearly a 60+ win team without GAC.

[Smoke117]

I'm a Heat fan dipshit. Far from a Lebron stan.

Everyone that disagrees with him that Lebron is garbage is a one of his stans...aka anyone who actually knows basketball.

[stalkerforlife]

I'm a Heat fan dipshit. Far from a Lebron stan.

You're a Branvestite.

[Nilocon165]

Everyone that disagrees with him that Lebron is garbage is a one of his stans...aka anyone who actually knows basketball.
True:lol

[Lebronxrings]

I'm a Heat fan dipshit. Far from a Lebron stan.
Kobetards are insecure. If you disagree with them, ur automatically labelled a lebron Stan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

in the last 23 playoff games Lebron has played in, he has 3 games where he shot 50% or better

:roll: :roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

http://s31.postimg.org/wl2scf9xn/cooltext178801513229994.png

[Meticode]

in the last 23 playoff games Lebron has played in, he has 3 games where he shot 50% or better

:roll: :roll:
This isn't true...He already has two games this year in the playoffs then last years breakdowns are here...

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1966/year/2015/lebron-james

...I count 6.

[SouBeachTalents]

in the last 23 playoff games Lebron has played in, he has 3 games where he shot 50% or better

:roll: :roll:

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times

[Dray n Klay]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Relinquish]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times

Goddamn, ether

[Lebronxrings]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[InsanityKills]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times


Ok? He's a 45% career shooter. And of course, leave it to a Lebron fan to change the subject. Lebron in 20 straight games in the playoffs last year had what, 2 games shooting at his normal, "heat" efficiency. Look at his effeciency with and without Wade, he needs these super teams in order to keep his FG% high.

We saw what happened last year in the bulls series where he had games of 8-25, 10-30, 7-23 in the same series. Lebron is also the only player in NBA history to take 30 shots and score less than 25 points in a finals game

Lebron constantly loses in the finals and all of his stans try to bring up his "efficiency" to counter that argument, yet one of his best runs ever wasn't efficient at all. Just goes to show the double standard that his fans apply to grading players.

Lebron shot, what 58% against the Spurs in 2014 and it was the biggest blowout in NBA finals series history. His efficiency doesn't always equal impact like his fans would like you to believe.

[Dray n Klay]

Ok? He's a 45% career shooter. And of course, leave it to a Lebron fan to change the subject. Lebron in 20 straight games in the playoffs last year had what, 2 games shooting at his normal, "heat" efficiency. Look at his effeciency with and without Wade, he needs these super teams in order to keep his FG% high.

We saw what happened last year in the bulls series where he had games of 8-25, 10-30, 7-23 in the same series. Lebron is also the only player in NBA history to take 30 shots and score less than 25 points in a finals game

Lebron constantly loses in the finals and all of his stans try to bring up his "efficiency" to counter that argument, yet one of his best runs ever wasn't efficient at all. Just goes to show the double standard that his fans apply to grading players.

Lebron shot, what 58% against the Spurs in 2014 and it was the biggest blowout in NBA finals series history. His efficiency doesn't always equal impact like his fans would like you to believe.



JIMMIES


RUSTLED


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :banana:

[stalkerforlife]

Ok? He's a 45% career shooter. And of course, leave it to a Lebron fan to change the subject. Lebron in 20 straight games in the playoffs last year had what, 2 games shooting at his normal, "heat" efficiency. Look at his effeciency with and without Wade, he needs these super teams in order to keep his FG% high.

We saw what happened last year in the bulls series where he had games of 8-25, 10-30, 7-23 in the same series. Lebron is also the only player in NBA history to take 30 shots and score less than 25 points in a finals game

Lebron constantly loses in the finals and all of his stans try to bring up his "efficiency" to counter that argument, yet one of his best runs ever wasn't efficient at all. Just goes to show the double standard that his fans apply to grading players.

Lebron shot, what 58% against the Spurs in 2014 and it was the biggest blowout in NBA finals series history. His efficiency doesn't always equal impact like his fans would like you to believe.

Ether.

[riseagainst]

and people say he doesn't have enough help.

Cavs are the most stacked team in the league.

:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

3-0

[StephHamann]

The east is weak, nothing new here.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wkN78ApeEmbao/giphy.gif

Not Lebron's fault that his competition sucks.


Durant needs to go to the east for more parity.

[Uncle Drew]

They did win. The NBA admitted it.

A Warrior team that couldn't have played worse, STILL won the game. They are 3-0 without GAC.
Houston: 97
Golden State: 96

Lazerus: Golden State won.

:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

The east is weak, nothing new here.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wkN78ApeEmbao/giphy.gif

Not Lebron's fault that his competition sucks.


Durant needs to go to the east for more parity.

Pistons would destroy your Dallas Chokebricks. 6'2" Westbrook blocked Dirk Chokewitzki.

Drummond would send him into retirement.

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LEZjNbvBy4 Get that Weak Stuff out of here.

[StephHamann]

Pistons would destroy your Dallas Chokebricks. 6'2" Westbrook blocked Dirk Chokewitzki.

Drummond would send him into retirement.

Why are you so angry all the time? No more money for antidepressants?

[Lebron23]

Why are you so angry all the time? No more money for antidepressants?


I'm just joking around. I was mocking Smoke117

[golden24boy]

most stacked team of al time.

you forgot about miami james, Wade, Bosh....and Melo,CP3,james,D-Wade..incoming, but still need more help

[golden24boy]

Pistons would destroy your Dallas Chokebricks. 6'2" Westbrook blocked Dirk Chokewitzki.

Drummond would send him into retirement.

No chance chokebron23:pimp:

[ArbitraryWater]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times

:roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Ok? He's a 45% career shooter. And of course, leave it to a Lebron fan to change the subject. Lebron in 20 straight games in the playoffs last year had what, 2 games shooting at his normal, "heat" efficiency. Look at his effeciency with and without Wade, he needs these super teams in order to keep his FG% high.

We saw what happened last year in the bulls series where he had games of 8-25, 10-30, 7-23 in the same series. Lebron is also the only player in NBA history to take 30 shots and score less than 25 points in a finals game

Lebron constantly loses in the finals and all of his stans try to bring up his "efficiency" to counter that argument, yet one of his best runs ever wasn't efficient at all. Just goes to show the double standard that his fans apply to grading players.

Lebron shot, what 58% against the Spurs in 2014 and it was the biggest blowout in NBA finals series history. His efficiency doesn't always equal impact like his fans would like you to believe.

the meltdown is strong :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Houston: 97
Golden State: 96

Lazerus: Golden State won.

:oldlol:

So the Warriors have to win five games in this series. Which they will. Doesn't mean it is right.

[Uncle Drew]

So the Warriors have to win five games in this series. Which they will. Doesn't mean it is right.
You're mentally challenged.

[LAZERUSS]

You're mentally challenged.

Let's carry this over to real life, shall we?

Say you are convicted of murder, and are sentenced to the electric chair. Before you are executed, they find the real killer. Oh well, we can't change it now...go ahead and pull the switch...

[ballinhun8]

In his 38 career Finals games Kobe shot 50% or better 5 times



And won 28 games. Pretty good effectiveness right there.




Effectiveness > Efficiency

[Uncle Drew]

Let's carry this over to real life, shall we?

Say you are convicted of murder, and are sentenced to the electric chair. Before you are executed, they find the real killer. Oh well, we can't change it now...go ahead and pull the switch...
Exhibit b.

The Warriors lost, deal with it.

[LAZERUSS]

Exhibit b.

The Warriors lost, deal with it.

We both know they didn't, and the NBA agrees that they didn't. But, they refuse to change it.

Interesting too, that they put all this technology in place in the last few years, to prevent these kinds of errors, and it STILL happens.

[Uncle Drew]

We both know they didn't, and the NBA agrees that they didn't.
97-96.

Get lost, grandpa.

[LAZERUSS]

97-96.

Get lost, grandpa.

Warriors win this series, 5-0.

[Uncle Drew]

Warriors win this series, 5-0.
The series is 2-1.

[LAZERUSS]

The series is 2-1.

3-0. And the Warriors will win it 5-0. And they certainly don't need GAC to do it.

Deal with it.

[Uncle Drew]

3-0.
http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/571b8f8f8ac0c/571b8f8f7d239-Screen_Shot_2016-04-23_at_17.06.39.png

Now jet from this thread old man.

[LAZERUSS]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/571b8f8f8ac0c/571b8f8f7d239-Screen_Shot_2016-04-23_at_17.06.39.png

Now jet from this thread old man.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15305873/2016-nba-playoffs-league-says-james-harden-game-winner-houston-rockets-not-counted


The NBA came down harshly Friday in its review of the officials' crunch-time calls -- or lack thereof -- in the Houston Rockets' 97-96, Game 3 win over the Golden State Warriors, saying James Harden's game-winning shot should not have counted.

3-0.

The NBA agrees.

[Uncle Drew]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15305873/2016-nba-playoffs-league-says-james-harden-game-winner-houston-rockets-not-counted



3-0.

The NBA agrees.
Should not, which means it did count. Thank you for agreeing with me.

[LAZERUSS]

Should not, which means it did count. Thank you for agreeing with me.

Means the Warriors won the game. They are up 3-0, and will win the series 5-0.

And all likely without GAC.

They are clearly a 60+ win team, without him.

[Uncle Drew]

Means the Warriors won the game. They are up 3-0, and will win the series 5-0.

And all likely without GAC.

They are clearly a 60+ win team, without him.
You are mentally ill. This is beyond trolling. This is even beyond Euroleague. Seek help.

[LAZERUSS]

You are mentally ill. This is beyond trolling. This is even beyond Euroleague. Seek help.

It's REALITY. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE WARRIORS WON GAME THREE. EVEN THE NBA AGREES.

Now move on.

[Uncle Drew]

It's REALITY. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE WARRIORS WON GAME THREE. EVEN THE NBA AGREES.

Now move on.
The series is 2-1 you idiot.

You should just kill yourself right here.

[LAZERUSS]

The series is 2-1 you idiot.

You should just kill yourself right here.

It's 3-0, all won without GAC,...and the Warriors will win this series 5-0.

[Uncle Drew]

It's 3-0, all won without GAC,...and the Warriors will win this series 5-0.
2-1.

[StephHamann]

It's REALITY. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE WARRIORS WON GAME THREE. EVEN THE NBA AGREES.

Now move on.

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office.gif

[stalkerforlife]

Worst argument ever between Laz and Unc Drew.

[Gileraracer]

12 rebounds, 7 assists, +17

Lebron living rent free

Stay mad Justin. :oldlol:

Lebron stan and Heat stan.
GTFO midget

[Lebronxrings]

Lebron stan and Heat stan.
GTFO midget
You are not even 5'4. I am taller than you manlet.

[stalkerforlife]

You are not even 5'4. I am taller than you manlet.

So you're bragging about being 5'5?

[ballinhun8]

You are not even 5'4. I am taller than you manlet.



I guess you're taller if you put all your alts together in a trench coat.

[Lebronxrings]

I'm 6'6 you losers. :oldlol: got nothing to prove.

[stalkerforlife]

I guess you're taller if you put all your alts together in a trench coat.

:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

I'm 5'6 you losers. :oldlol: got nothing to prove.

Why are you bragging about being 5'6?

[stalkerforlife]

http://s31.postimg.org/4nqx3h7ij/13082614_1341598482535339_6845578192475002240_n.jp g

[Lebron23]

I just woke up at 2:18 am, and I am still reading this crap. If Jeff wants ISH to be a good basketball forum. Try to ban these retards.

[Lebron23]

I'm 6'6 you losers. :oldlol: got nothing to prove.

Wow. You're taller than Jordan, and Kobe.

[stalkerforlife]

I just woke up at 2:18 am, and I am still reading this crap. If Jeff wants ISH to be a good basketball forum. Try to ban these retards.

Typical Branvestite...wants a 24/7 circle jerk and hates competition.

Also, do you have one of those special computers that makes you click on threads you don't actually want to click on? Those are a bummer.

Dumb ass. :lol

[Lebron23]

3-0

[BeastMode24]

Typical Branvestite...wants a 24/7 circle jerk and hates competition.

Also, do you have one of those special computers that makes you click on threads you don't actually want to click on? Those are a bummer.

Dumb ass. :lol

this. you already have realgm and reddit nba where if you say any negative about bron you get banned. lebron played terribly last night. don't see a problem with him getting called out for it. especially after lebronies kept hyping us with this "playoff" lebron crap heading into the playoffs.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant sucks.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe Bryant sucks.

Ban him! Ban him! He won't jerk off my favorite player...ban him!

[Lebron23]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3631080/alan-partridge-air-guitar-o.gif

[3ball]

LeBron 8-24 and 5 turnovers



Lebron can't get 40 points without at least 2 turnovers.. He scored 40 points with 1 or zero turnovers only FOUR TIMES in his 13 year career.

Similarly, Curry only has 1 such games thru 7 seasons.

Otoh, Jordan had 30 such games thru 7 seasons of his career.







Love 20 and 12 on 10 shots.

Irving 26 and 4 on 20 shots.

Bran 19 points on 24 shots.



New fans and pundits of the game brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession (ORtg) for his team than Curry and Lebron, despite carrying a larger offensive load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185).

[Quickening]

Lebron can't get 40 points without at least 2 turnovers.. He scored 40 points with 1 or zero turnovers only FOUR TIMES in his 13 year career.

Similarly, Curry only has 1 such games thru 7 seasons.

Otoh, Jordan had 130 such games thru 7 seasons of his career.




New fans and pundits of the game brag about Curry's points-per-shot, but points-per-possession is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession (ORtg) for his team than Curry and Lebron, despite carrying a larger offensive load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185).

Curry has a better assists to turnover ratio, whilst getting more assists per game! :lol

He also shot over 30ppg whilst have an efg of 63 percent! MJ never went over 55 percent efg in his career :wtf:

Curry GOAT offensive player :bowdown:

[BeastMode24]

Kobe Bryant sucks.

lmao at how rustled you are. lmao at bringing up kobe in a conversation that has nothing to do with him. kobe living rentfree in the minds of lebronies. you and dray n klay are the two worst posters on this board and are a giant plague. also lmao at having 52,000 posts on online forum sucking off a basketball player that doesn't even know you live. strong life.

[Showtime2001]

I guess you're taller if you put all your alts together in a trench coat.
:roll: :roll: :roll:


I just woke up at 2:18 am, and I am still reading this crap. If Jeff wants ISH to be a good basketball forum. Try to ban these retards.
Great idea lets start with you.

[Lebronxrings]

Wow. You're taller than Jordan, and Kobe.
i actually met Jordan once.. Cool dude. Think we were nearly same height. Hes like 6'5-6'6 but has MASSIVE hands.

[Lebron23]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Great idea lets start with you.


Tell me more.

[Lebron23]

i actually met Jordan once.. Cool dude. Think we were nearly same height. Hes like 6'5-6'6 but has MASSIVE hands.

:cheers:

But you probably have a bigger shoe size than him. Jordan only wore size 13, and 13.5.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Currys superior efficiency and assists to turnover ratio blows Jordan away.


Assist-to-turnover ratio:


JORDAN 1991: 2.2
CURRYN 2016: 2.0


As you can see, Jordan had better assist-to-turnover ratio in 1991.

For their careers, Jordan and Curry's assist-to-turnover ratio is nearly identical, but Jordan averaged 30.1 ppg (very heavy load) to Curry's 22.4 (light load).

Also, Jordan was involved in more possessions (usage), while achieving higher points-per-possession efficiency (ortg).. So he was involved in more possessions, at higher per-possession efficiency - he simply DID MORE.






Curry averaged over 300 ppg for the year whilst have an efg of 63 percent! Jordans best is 55 percent.


The shooting efficiency you brag about affects points-per-SHOT, which isn't as important as points-per-POSSESSION (ortg).

Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry, while also carrying a larger load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305579&postcount=18) on both sides of the ball.






Curry is certainly the better offensive player for their respective peak years.



Jordan's 1991 regular season was better and his playoffs was on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (ORtg), even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball: he doesn't play defense and accounts for a smaller proportion of his team's points + assists.






Curry is certainly the better offensive player for their respective peak years.



Jordan simply DID MORE - he was involved in MORE POSSESSIONS for his team (usage), while producing more points-PER-possession (ORtg):



1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% usage.. 125 ORtg




Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg



Jordan did more the 50% of the time he was on offense, and was the best defender ever at his position the other 50% on defense.
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Like the injury-riddled '94 Bulls, who went 55-27, and were cheated out of a title...and the '16 Warriors...

both teams were/are legitimate title contenders without their two best players. And healthy, both would have easily won 60 games without them.

Both teams just MASSIVELY STACKED. Hopefully one day Horace Grant will be voted into the HOF, too. A FAR greater player than POS Bosh, who will ride LBJ's coat-tails into the Hall.

Klay and Dray are on their way to the HOF as well.

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Like the injury-riddled '94 Bulls, who went 55-27...and the '16 Warriors


The Bulls were a 2nd Round team without Jordan in 1994, which is likely the same as this Warrior team without Curry.

Btw, the 1994 Bulls would've lost to the Cavs in the 1st round that year, but the Cavs were missing their entire starting frontcourt: all-star Larry Nance, all-star Brad Daughtery, and Hot Rod Williams 12/8 with 2.3 blocks... Nonetheless, every game was a single-digit affair, because the Bulls didn't have Jordan.

Interestingly, the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't any better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th).. Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.





the injury-riddled '94 Bulls


They were a 2nd Round team that Jordan elevated to 3-peat dynasty.. But Jordan didn't only have GOAT impacts on decent teams - he had GOAT impact on bad teams too.

In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8 on 54%.. Accordingly, if that team didn't have Jordan, they would've been a LOTTERY team and heading nowhere going into the 1990 season, instead of ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty.. That's the GOAT impact on a bad team.

Jordan carried his lottery roster to 6 games with the world champions in 1989, just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals.. Again, Jordan had the GOAT impact on bad teams.


Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88).

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:



"When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team





Hopefully one day Horace Grant will be voted into the HOF, too. A FAR greater player than POS Bosh, who will ride LBJ's coat-tails into the Hall.


What a joke... :yaohappy:

During Horace's BEST period alongside Jordan (1991-1993), he averaged 12/9 and was a simple play-finisher - every team in the league has a play-finishing big man that can get a double-double.

Otoh, Bosh is a 10-time all-star and all-nba player, compared to Horace's 1 all-star appearance... Bosh is a LOCK for the hof on the first or 2nd ballot, while Horace won't make it on the millionth ballot.. So keep dreaming - your obsession with overrating Horace is hilarious.

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Both the 90's Bulls and current Warriors are MASSIVELY STACKED.


Both teams have the best player in the league, who contributes a higher proportion of their team's points and assists than anyone else, thus proving they get LESS help than other #1 options.

Those are the facts... Now carry on with your crazy delusions that fly in the face of the facts.

It's true that both teams have good #2 options, but both teams also have weaker talent at the #3 thru #12 spots than many other teams, which is why Curry and Jordan still contributed a higher proportion of their team's points and assists than any other #1 option.

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Both teams have the best player in the league, who contributes a higher proportion of their team's points and assists than anyone else, thus proving they get LESS help than other #1 options.

Those are the facts... Now carry on with your crazy delusions that fly in the face of the facts.

It's true that both teams have good #2 options, but both teams also have weaker talent at the #3 thru #12 spots than many other teams, which is why Curry and Jordan still contributed a higher proportion of their team's points and assists than any other #1 option.

You want FACTS?

MJ's 57-25 '93 Bulls barely beat the Knicks in the ECF's, 4-2...and were down 2-0. In that game six in which they won, 96-88, it was 71-68 going into the final quarter. Oh, and MJ shot .400 from the field in that series.

Fast forward to '94. Jordan retired without giving notice, and the Bulls scrambled to replace him...ultimately with Pete Myers taking his starting job.

The '94 Bulls went 55-27, which was deceptive, since their two best players, HOFer Pippen, and SHOULD be HOFer Horace Grant, missed a combined 22 games. So, as anyone with any inteliigence can plainly determine...the '94 Bulls were, in all reality a 60+ win team.

And had they won 60+ games, they would have had HCA throughout the entire post-season. As it was, the Bulls lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks in the ECSF's. In fact, they were one horrifically blown call away from winning that series, 4-2 (like the '93 Bulls did with MJ.) And all with Jordan's "replacement", Pete Myers averaging 7 ppg in that series. And again, this can't be stressed enough...the Bulls went 5-0 with HCA.

Of course, the Knicks dispatched with the Pacers in the ECF's, (a team that Chicago had beaten 4-1 during the regular season BTW)...and then went on to lose a game seven in the Finals by four points, to the 58-24 Rockets. In a series in which they outscored Houston, and in all reality, outplayed the Rockets.

So, the '93 Bulls barely beat the same Knicks team that should have been beaten by the '94 Bulls...and would go on to lose a game seven to the Rockets in the Finals.

As we all KNOW...the '94 Bulls were no ordinary second-round team, but rather, a blown call, away from facing the Rockets in the Finals. And had they not been riddled with injuries, they would have faced them with HCA...and all likelihood, won their 4th straight title.

Clearly, a healthy '94 Bulls team was a 60+ win team, and at worst, a serious challenger to the NBA title...all with Pete Myers replacing MJ.

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What a joke...

During Horace's BEST period alongside Jordan (1991-1993), he averaged 12/9 and was a simple play-finisher - every team in the league has a play-finishing big man that can get a double-double.

Otoh, Bosh is a 10-time all-star and all-nba player, compared to Horace's 1 all-star appearance... Bosh is a LOCK for the hof on the first or 2nd ballot, while Horace won't make it on the millionth ballot.. So keep dreaming - your obsession with overrating Horace is hilarious.

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Save myself some time...


How great an IMPACT did GRANT have in his career? He (along with Pippen, of course) IMMEDIATELY elevated the Bulls from a 40-42 team unable to win a playoff game...to a 50-32 record...and into the ECSF's.

His Bulls teams would continue to improve and as he played better, they won more.

MJ left the Bulls after the 92-93 season, and in game's Grant played the next season, they went 48-22 (55-27 overall.) He was a key factor in the '94 playoff run, as well, and they were ONE PLAY away from beating a 56-26 Knick team that would lose a game seven by four points in the Finals, to the Rockets.

Grant bolted for the Magic after that season, the Magic improved from 50-32 record, and first round cannon-fodder, to a 57-25 team that would make the Finals. Oh, and he absolutely SHELLED Jordan's Bulls in the ECSF's with a dominating 18-11 .647 series. Hell, the '94 Bulls were a better team, with Grant, than they were the same exact roster the next season, sans Grant, but now with Jordan. IMPACT.

The next season, Shaq missed the first 20 games...and all Grant did was to lead the Magic to a 15-5 record in his absence (and overall, in the games that Grant played... a 50-13 record...and a 10-9 record without him.)

And Grant was on his way to yet another brilliant post-season in '96, as well. Going into the ECF's and against the Bulls, and Dennis Rodman, he had averaged a staggering 17-8 .656. However, he was injured in the middle of the first game of that series, and missed the rest of it. Guess what, Rodman was free to shut down Shaq, and without an ELITE PF, the Magic were swept.

Shaq bolted for the Lakers the very next year, and without him, Grant then led the Magic to a 45-37 record.

And the next season, when Penny was injured and could only go for 19 games...Grant led them to a 41-41 record. Think about that...without BOTH Shaq and Penny...and a 41-41 record.

The next year...a strike year... 33-17.

The next year he headed for Seattle, a team that had gone 25-25 the year before...and IMMEDIATELY led them to a 45-37 record.

Even late in his career, he joined the Lakers, and with him, they stormed to a 15-1 playoff record en route to yet another ring for Grant.


Certainly one of the most IMPACTFUL players of his era.



More IMPACT from the "replaceable" GRANT...

In his post-seasons, from '90-91 thru '95-96...his ORtgs were...

'91: 130 (LED the NBA)
'92: 127
'93: 127
'94: 126
'95: 123 (oh, and 136 against MJ's Bulls...in a 4-2 stomping)
'96: 142 (LED the NBA)

Interesting that all of that corresponds with a.) the Bulls first-3peat, b.) '94, without MJ, c.) crushes the Bulls in the '95; and d.) leads the NBA again , BUT, he was injured in game one of the ECF's against MJ's Bulls, who then put Rodman on Shaq whenever they needed to contain him...and swept the Grant-less Magic.

TRUE IMPACT!!!


So without Shaq...Grant leads the team to a 15-5 record.

With Shaq, the Magic go 40-14.
With Grant they go 50-13.

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Continuing...


Chris "can't do" Bosh...the "10-Time AS"

Remove "the chemistry-killer" from his resume, and we have this...

'04: 33-49 no playoffs
'05: 33-49 no playoffs
'06: 27-55 no playoffs
'07: 47-35, lose in the firs round 4-2 to the 41-41 Nets
'08: 41-41 lose in the first round 4-1
'09: 33-49
'10: 40-42

from '11 thru '14 played with Lebron and contributed nothing.

jump to '15: 22-30 missed the playoffs, on a team with Wade, Whiteside, and Deng.




AND, now we can add THIS season to that resume, as well.

WITH POS Bosh...the Heat went 29-24. WithOUT POS Bosh...19-10, and likely advancing to the ECSF's.

Comparing this clown to a true winner in Grant...




Grant should be in the HOF.

POS Bosh has as much business being in the HOF as 3-ball does.

[3ball]

The '94 Bulls went 55-27, which was deceptive, since their two best players, Pippen, and Grant, missed a combined 22 games.


Without MJ, it's no surprise that Horace and Pippen weren't capable of going the whole year without breaking down.

Also, your hypothetical about them being healthy isn't valid unless we make the ENTIRE LEAGUE 100% healthy - that would offset any benefit the Bulls get from Pippen and Horace's health, so your hypothetical doesn't work.

This ruins your entire theory about 60+ wins and HCA.. I don't even need to respond to most of your remaining bs, since it's based on the aforementioned, proven-false HCA assumption.. There's a million ways to bust up your theories, because they're so poorly rationalized and delusional.. This is just one way.. Enjoy





As we all KNOW...the '94 Bulls were no ordinary second-round team, but rather, a blown call, away from facing the Rockets in the Finals.


The Bulls were nowhere near making the Finals - they lost in the 2nd Round, and were a Kukoc game-winner away from being down 0-3 and getting swept - despite this luck, they still lost and were 2nd Round losers.

Also, the 1994 Bulls would've lost to the Cavs in the 1st round, but the Cavs were missing their entire starting frontcourt: all-star Larry Nance, all-star Brad Daughtery, and Hot Rod Williams 12/8 with 2.3 blocks... Even though the Cavs were missing their 2 all-stars and 60% of their starting lineup, every game was a single-digit affair because the Bulls didn't have Jordan.





In 1988, Grant and Pippen elevated the Bulls from a 40-42 team...to a 50-32 record


In 1988, Grant and Pippen were rookies that averaged 8 ppg and played less than 20 mpg - accordingly, Jordan's emergence as league MVP and DPOY was the primary reason for the Bulls' improvement that season.. Also, when Pippen and Grant became starters the next season in 1989, the Bulls won 3 LESS games.

Now let's see - should it be a SURPRISE that I just busted up another one of your dumb theories?... Absolutely not - it isn't rocket science that Jordan's 35 ppg and DPOY defense was the driving force for the 88' Bulls, not rookie Pippen's 7 ppg off the bench.





Grant led the Magic


You keep referencing how Grant "led" the Bulls/Magic and was the main reason for their various successes.. That's like saying Tristan Thompson was the reason for Cleveland's success last year (heck, at least his stats were better than Horace's).

As a Bull, Horace was a below-average 3rd option, which is why he was a FOURTH or FIFTH option on every other team he's been on.. And that's standard - ordinary play-finishing bigs that get 11/8 are normally 4th or 5th options, not 3rd options like Tristan Thompson was, I mean Horace.
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