The Warriors would be a 60 win team without Curry

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Sounds legit


Last 4 seasons: 234-82 when he plays, 4-9 when he doesn't.

Last 2 seasons: 139-21, 2-4

U fellas want me to stuff your broads too, or is that enough for today?

[Lebron23]

And you are still a terrible poster.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

And you are still a terrible poster.

Ah yes, the dude that cried like a little kid watching his dad's ass get beat for the first time when I dared saying anything about LeBron (who I don't even mind).

Welcome back, and keep crying.

[LAZERUSS]

They are 3-0 in this year's playoffs without him. And yes, the NBA agrees with me on that.

[warriorfan]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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[3ball]

Jordan did not space the floor better than Curry


It's dumb to think that a SINGLE DEFENDER hugging Curry on the perimeter (which Jordan's defender did as well), is more effective at getting good shots for teammates than Jordan's threat of rim attack perpetually shifting the ENTIRE DEFENSE and drawing double-teams.

Intuitively, one good shooter can't space the floor much - if they could, then the 1980's Celtics or 90's Pacers would've had great spacing, because of Bird and Miller.. Instead, it's the 5 Warrior players spreading the floor and shooting 3-pointers TOGETHER that provides goat spacing.

Accordingly, teams obtain spacing by either having a TEAM of shooters to collectively create spacing (Warriors), or a dominant rim-attacker that can shift an entire defense, including forcing double-teams (Jordan).






even without Curry and Thompson, the Warriors are close to 38%+ despite their best and most frequent 3pt shooters besides the two being Green, Iguodala and Barnes, none of whom are natural shooters.


All of Curry's teammates had equal or better 3-point shooting seasons on other teams: Iggy's best 3-point seasons were in Philly, Barbosa's best were in Phoenix, Ian Clark shot the exact same in Utah, Brandon Rush's best were in Indiana.

Of course, Draymond and Harrison Barnes have played with Curry their entire careers, so we don't have stats of them playing without Curry.

That's everyone - so the notion that Curry's presence improves his teammates 3-point shooting is false.

It's dumb to think that a SINGLE DEFENDER hugging Curry on the perimeter (which Jordan's defender did as well), is more effective at getting good shots for teammates than Jordan's threat of rim attack perpetually shifting the ENTIRE DEFENSE and drawing double-teams.






Currys OBPM this year was 12.4


Who cares - that's a boxscore stat, just like win shares.

Jordan had higher win shares and offensive win shares.

That means Jordan contributed more to his team's wins than Curry did, and his offense contributed more to his team's wins than Curry's offense.

Jordan also had higher Player Efficiency Rating... Anyone can play the stat game - more of them favor Jordan than Curry.






He also shattered the net points record (which is a way of aggregating true shooting% and tying it into usage) by a lot, with +601 net points, 100 points higher than MJs or LeBrons best seasons (mind you this only takes into account scoring, but there you go).


True shooting affects points-per-SHOT, but points-per-POSSESSION (ortg) is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry (while also carrying a larger load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305579&postcount=18) on both sides of the ball)..

[stalkerforlife]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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He's making fun of the fact that they wouldn't be anywhere near a 60 win team, bro. :lol

[InsanityKills]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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Learn to read and comprehend what people type you fvcking retard.

[3ball]

here is the Warriors record the past few years with and without Curry:

234-82, 4-9


That's no different than most star players, so it isn't a differentiating factor..

Also, Curry has never led a lottery team to a deep playoff run and 6 games with the champs - but Jordan did.

In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8 on 54%.. So heading into the 1990 season without Jordan, they were a LOTTERY team and headed nowhere, instead of ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty..

That's the GOAT impact on a bad team.. Of course, Jordan had the GOAT impact on decent teams too - his Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round without Jordan, and then back to 3-peat dynasty when he returned.


Interestingly, the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't any better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th).. Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.

[3ball]

Learn to comprehend



Everyone should comprehend that Jordan literally DID MORE offensively - he was involved in more possessions for his team (usage), while producing more points-PER-possession (ORtg):


1991 vs. 2016:


JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% usage.. 125 ORtg


Career


JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg



Jordan did more the 50% of the time he was on offense, and was the best defender ever at his position the other 50% on defense.

[ShawkFactory]

Somehow this thread became about Jordan.

Thanks threebs

[alanLA92]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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:facepalm OP post was in favor of Curry.

[ArbitraryWater]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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yeah, youre even dumber than I thought

[Hey Yo]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry
:cletus: ^^^^

[Hopper15]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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Fail:facepalm

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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Bruh.....

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

It's dumb to think that a SINGLE DEFENDER hugging Curry on the perimeter (which Jordan's defender did as well), is more effective at getting good shots for teammates than Jordan's threat of rim attack perpetually shifting the ENTIRE DEFENSE and drawing double-teams.

Intuitively, one good shooter can't space the floor much - if they could, then the 1980's Celtics or 90's Pacers would've had great spacing, because of Bird and Miller.. Instead, it's the 5 Warrior players spreading the floor and shooting 3-pointers TOGETHER that provides goat spacing.

Accordingly, teams obtain spacing by either having a TEAM of shooters to collectively create spacing (Warriors), or a dominant rim-attacker that can shift an entire defense, including forcing double-teams (Jordan).




All of Curry's teammates had equal or better 3-point shooting seasons on other teams: Iggy's best 3-point seasons were in Philly, Barbosa's best were in Phoenix, Ian Clark shot the exact same in Utah, Brandon Rush's best were in Indiana.

Of course, Draymond and Harrison Barnes have played with Curry their entire careers, so we don't have stats of them playing without Curry.

That's everyone - so the notion that Curry's presence improves his teammates 3-point shooting is false.

It's dumb to think that a SINGLE DEFENDER hugging Curry on the perimeter (which Jordan's defender did as well), is more effective at getting good shots for teammates than Jordan's threat of rim attack perpetually shifting the ENTIRE DEFENSE and drawing double-teams.




Who cares - that's a boxscore stat, just like win shares.

Jordan had higher win shares and offensive win shares.

That means Jordan contributed more to his team's wins than Curry did, and his offense contributed more to his team's wins than Curry's offense.

Jordan also had higher Player Efficiency Rating... Anyone can play the stat game - more of them favor Jordan than Curry.




True shooting affects points-per-SHOT, but points-per-POSSESSION (ortg) is more important and Jordan's lower turnovers allowed him to generate more points-per-possession for his team than Curry (while also carrying a larger load (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12305579&postcount=18) on both sides of the ball)..


What part of "I would still take Jordan's peak over Currys" did you not understand, you mouth-breathing imbecile? And why on earth would you cite total win shares, or PER, when they don't isolate offense? Jordan had more O win shares (an immeasurably flawed statistic) because he played more minutes. Additionally, Curry leads in offensive win shares/48 by a sizeable margin, OBPM by leaps and bounds, true shooting by a ton, net points by over 15%, and averages more points/36 than Jordan did in all but one year (a year in which his ts% was 107 points lower).

As for Curry's presence improving his teammates shooting, the proof is in the pudding, dude. Theyre the greatest offensive team of all time when he's on the court and an average one when he's absent. How many times has he gotten swarmed this year only to kick it out to a wide open Green, a poor natural shooter, who's been able to convert on 39% of his three point attempts? Or Iggy, who has had the best 3-year 3pt shooting stretch of his career?

Give it a rest. Jordan is a better player. He had a better peak. He was better in the playoffs. All true. And Curry had a better offensive year than Jordan ever did. Also true.



PS, keep it in one thread, d-bag.

[AirBonner]

Jordan is what Curry would be if he DID MORE.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

They are 3-0 in this year's playoffs without him. And yes, the NBA agrees with me on that.

Didn't realize they played 4 games already, jlauber.

[Bankaii]

He's making fun of the fact that they wouldn't be anywhere near a 60 win team, bro. :lol
Stick to being a lapdog. That's the best you reading comprehension will allow you to be.

[LAZERUSS]

Easily.

And yes, they just swept the Rockets without Curry.

[KiiiiNG]

Peja stans getting extremely insecure because of curry

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The black cloud strikes again... you're the biggest retard ever. CONGRATS!

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[HurricaneKid]

Do people believe the Rockets have been playing NBA Playoff caliber defense? Because they haven't. They have been playing like a team with reservations to go on vacation in a week. Beating this team means nothing. The Clippers appear to be hugely underrated here. The Dubs should handle them if Curry can go. But if not, and it's looking more and more that way, they cannot beat the Clips. Much less beat the Spurs...

Without Curry on the floor this season GSW are -4.3pts/100 possessions. That's just between the Pels and Bucks.

[LAZERUSS]

Do people believe the Rockets have been playing NBA Playoff caliber defense? Because they haven't. They have been playing like a team with reservations to go on vacation in a week. Beating this team means nothing. The Clippers appear to be hugely underrated here. The Dubs should handle them if Curry can go. But if not, and it's looking more and more that way, they cannot beat the Clips. Much less beat the Spurs...

Without Curry on the floor this season GSW are -4.3pts/100 possessions. That's just between the Pels and Bucks.

Not sure what a couple of meaningless stats point to.

The Warrior STARTERS, not just Curry, were sitting on the bench in multiple 4th quarters this year.

Let's face it... Klay is a 25-30 ppg scorer as the main guy. Dray, Iggy, and even Livingston are legit 20 ppg full-time scorers. Bogut, Ezili, and Speights are a three-headed monster at the center slot. And Barnes and Barbosa are quality starters on many teams.

Defensively, they are even better with Curry off the floor, too.

I just can't see the limited Clippers or Thunder matching up with them.