Video on Wilt's 1962 season and comparisons to today

[Horatio33]

dint know how to post links so just copy the URL

http://youtu.be/iOS7lNTABzc

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Most of you may already know me as a Die Hard Pacer fan who is also a fan of the Cavaliers as well and also a fan of 1960's basketball as well. It is well known through the basketball historian community about the differences from the 1960's "white era" to the modern game we see today. Extreme pace, low pay with untelevised games, lack of serious athletes, people smoking ciggarettes during half time, the whole thing was sort of a side show and those stats should be only compared to others of the "white era", not compared to modern day basketball.

[Marchesk]

You don't have to compare raw stats. You can just compare how many times Wilt led the league in various categories to see that he was special, and nobody else during that era achieved his kind of statistical feats, including Elgin, Russell, Oscar, Baylor and West.

Although Oscar achieved his own special stats with the triple doubles, although Wilt may have had that if blocks had been counted.

[Deuce Bigalow]

LAZERUSS

[Foster5k]

Lmao. This fool trying to discredit Wilt's '62 season.

[swagga]

wall of text incoming. :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

You don't need numbers, you just need to watch a bit of film.

[sd3035]

The eye test shows that Wilt would be a less athletic JaVale McGee in today's game

[sd3035]

Also, offensive goaltending was allowed back then, Yao Ming would have averaged 100

[MiseryCityTexas]

It says Wilt would still average 30 a game. Those are still elite numbers lol.

[feyki]

People fails when try to that .

Points per possesions is key factor . Don't ignore that . Oh , just adjust the amount of possesions and record video to blah blah blah .

[stalkerforlife]

60s ball just got DOMINATED.

Gotta respect the ones that paved the way, but we don't have to lie and put them too high on the GOAT list.

[inclinerator]

looks like justin finally got his shit together

[LAZERUSS]

Also, offensive goaltending was allowed back then, Yao Ming would have averaged 100

PROVE IT.

BTW, Yao wearing Chuck Taylor's...wouldn't have last five minutes in the league.

[CuterThanRubio]

Look at all of those likes!

The only people in denial about modern basketball's superiority are a small group of delusional forum posters.

Slow and stiff white guys walking the ball around without fear of anyone stealing it, what a grueling contest!

I do think Wilt was a legit talent, but that era was such a joke, any superstar center would have similar, if not greater success during that time.

2/6? That's it? In that era?


If I ever see Bob Cousy get mentioned in a positive light ever again I might be forced to make my own video!

[Marchesk]

Slow and stiff white guys walking the ball around without fear of anyone stealing it, what a grueling contest!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPxPfxWt8vQ/UQyTpLxGKUI/AAAAAAAAEFo/AgnZwjF2kL4/s800/GusJohnsonDunk.gif

[CuterThanRubio]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPxPfxWt8vQ/UQyTpLxGKUI/AAAAAAAAEFo/AgnZwjF2kL4/s800/GusJohnsonDunk.gif

Slow and stiff black guys allowing a 1 on 4 putback dunk, you aren't helping your case at all with that one.

A total lack of awareness.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain averaged 40 ppg against Russell that season, and 53 ppg against 7-0 HOFer Walt Bellamy that season (yes, Bellamy was a true seven-footer, despite being listed at 6-11.) And he faced those two a total of 20 times that year. BTW...the very next season... 38 ppg against Russell, and 44 ppg against Bellamy.

BTW, Russell was every bit as tall as Cousins, DeAndre, Drummond, and Dwight...all 6-9 1/2. And also BTW, Russell was a WORLD-CLASS high-jumper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc

[Stringer Bell]

Wilt was a freakish athlete, even setting Track and Field records in collge without much of a background in it. From the footage we have of Wilt, he shows good skill level particularly with his fadeaway and passing.

Obviously he wouldn't put up 50 and 25 a game but he'd do well. For crying out loud, the most accomplished center of the past 10 years is Dwight Freaking Howard.

[fourkicks44]

Imaging Wilt with today's sport science, coaching, fitness, nutrition, drugs and supplements.

Factor that into cross era comparisons.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt was a freakish athlete, even setting Track and Field records in collge without much of a background in it. From the footage we have of Wilt, he shows good skill level particularly with his fadeaway and passing.

Obviously he wouldn't put up 50 and 25 a game but he'd do well. For crying out loud, the most accomplished center of the past 10 years is Dwight Freaking Howard.

And most rational Wilt fans would never make the claim that he would be a 50 ppg scorer in today's NBA, either. But, if Cousins can put up 27 ppg in 35 mpg; and if Drummond can pull down 15 rpg in 33 mpg; and if DeAndre can shoot .700+; and if Whiteside can average 4 bpg in 30 mpg...

just what a peak Chamberlain, playing 40-42 mpg, do in today's NBA?

[Soundwave]

Prime Wilt would put up 25-28 ppg/11 rpg a night I think. He's be good, but the league is on average much bigger and stronger today I just don't think there's any way to deny that.

The players who grew up in the 60s grew up in the 40s/50s ... did they even watch basketball on TV? Work out? The game and the development of players is just so much more different today, today's superstars grow up from the age they can walk studying and watching other players on a daily basis, they are lifting weights by junior high, they have access to far superior coaching from a younger age, better nutrition, and simply put against better competition from a younger age.

[CuterThanRubio]

And most rational Wilt fans would never make the claim that he would be a 50 ppg scorer in today's NBA, either. But, if Cousins can put up 27 ppg in 35 mpg; and if Drummond can pull down 15 rpg in 33 mpg; and if DeAndre can shoot .700+; and if Whiteside can average 4 bpg in 30 mpg...

just what a peak Chamberlain, playing 40-42 mpg, do in today's NBA?

Cousins can handle the ball better than the guards that Wilt played alongside and can shoot better than them as well.

Wilt wouldn't be putting up better stats than those guys with nothing but post moves.

He would be a polished/finesse Dwight with worse freethrow shooting in today's game.

Hack-a-Wilt would be his downfall.

[LAZERUSS]

Prime Wilt would put up 25-28 ppg/11 rpg a night I think. He's be good, but the league is on average much bigger and stronger today I just don't think there's any way to deny that.

The players who grew up in the 60s grew up in the 40s/50s ... did they even watch basketball on TV? Work out? The game and the development of players is just so much more different today, today's superstars grow up from the age they can walk studying and watching other players on a daily basis, they are lifting weights by junior high, they have access to far superior coaching from a younger age, better nutrition, and simply put better competition from a younger age.

You are severely under-rating the greats of the 60's (and 70's.)

How about Nate Thurmond? 6-11 and muscular as Dwight. Had an even longer wingspan than Wilt (who had a 7-8 wingspan.) And a full-time Nate battled a peak Kareem in some 35 H2H games. KAJ's HIGH game against Nate... 34 points. In fact, he only had a total of five 30+ games against Thurmond. And how about Thurmond in his H2H playoff series against Kareem in KAJ's greatest season? He outscored him, 25 ppg to 23 ppg, and outshot him, .437 to .405. Overall, a peak KAJ shot .456 against a full-time Thurmond.

How about the 6-11 270 lb HOF center Bob Lanier? Was a dominant center into even the early 80's. In Wilt's LAST season, and in six H2H's, Chamberlain averaged 20 ppg on a .750 FG% against him, while holding Lanier to a .374 FG%.

Dave Cowens? Ran the league ragged, and even managed to outplay a prime KAJ in a game seven of the Finals.

Bob McAdoo? Kevin Durant long before Durant was KD. Averaged 35 ppg in a league that averaged 103 ppg,

Walt Bellamy? Full seven-footer who had a 31 ppg season. Near the end of his career, in the early 70's, was putting up a 19 ppg season on a .545 FG%.

Willis Reed? Look at footage of Zach Randolph, and then add defense...and you have Reed.

Jerry Lucas? Watch footage of Kevin Love, and you would be watching Lucas.

Artis Gilmore? 7-2, and 290 lbs. Gave a prime KAJ all he could handle. An old Wilt, in their one H2H, in the '72 ABA-NBA ASG, outplayed him.

Wilt never faced Bill Walton nor Moses Malone, but those were nearly equals of a prime Kareem. In fact, a prime Moses routinely shelled a fading Kareem.


And back to Kareem. In his first 10 straight H2H's with Hakeem: Averaged 32 ppg on a .630 FG%. Included were six games of 30+ (or more than he scored against Nate in 35 H2H's), with highs of 40, 43, and 46 points. BTW, a peak Shaq, going up against a fading Hakeem had his high game against Olajuwon... 37 points.

And Gilmore averaged 24 ppg on a .677 FG% against Hakeem in his first ten straight H2H's against him.

And an old Moses was outrebounding a prime Hakeem who would lead the NBA in rpg, in their H2H's.


A prime Wilt faced several of the same centers that a peak Kareem would face a few years later...and was FAR more dominant against them than Kareem had been.

If we can conclude that an old Kareem was easily a better center than Hakeem or Ewing (whom KAJ also trashed), than what does that say about a prime Wilt?

[LAZERUSS]

Cousins can handle the ball better than the guards that Wilt played alongside and can shoot better than them as well.

Wilt wouldn't be putting up better stats than those guys with nothing but post moves.

He would be a polished/finesse Dwight with worse freethrow shooting in today's game.

Hack-a-Wilt would be his downfall.

THIS Chamberlain would DESTROY today's NBA...and Cousins would just be roadkill in Wilt's rearview mirror my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

[Asukal]

God knows how much more choking wilt will do in today's game when he already choked so much in the weak 60's. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, no one is even mentioning Wilt's DEFENSE.

7-0 HOFer Bellamy came into this H2H averaging 30 ppg...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11204851&postcount=1

Chamberlain blocked his first nine shots, and outscored him, 51-14.

[CuterThanRubio]

It's hard not to underrate, and in my opinion completely dismiss, the greats of the 60s since according to you (Lazeruss) there were approximately 10 elite players and they all happen to be centers and power forwards.

Big players are bound to put up better numbers in a league featuring extremely poor guard play.

Perimeter players are more skilled now, and bigs have less impact since outside shooting and penetration are more important than posting up because those two things lead to spacing and easier scoring, not to mention higher possession value when you factor in three pointers.

Dumping the ball off to the center on the low block was the first option every time down the floor, of course the biggest guys on the court were going to put up gaudy numbers.

Does that impact translate?

No, of course not.

Wilt would be in foul trouble on a consistent basis in 2016.

[sd3035]

Wilton would be lucky to average 20-10 in today's league

[Marchesk]

Cousins is 6-11 with a 27 inch vertical, and he dominates when he feels like it.

Wilt was 7-1 barefoot, with a giant wingspan, and a 40 inch vertical. But he wouldn't dominate. :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

Cousins is 6-11 with a 27 inch vertical, and he dominates when he feels like it.

Wilt was 7-1 barefoot, with a giant wingspan, and a 40 inch vertical. But he wouldn't dominate. :facepalm

Don't exaggerate...

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeMarcus-Cousins-1318/

Cousins was 6-9 1/2.

BTW, Chamberlain was 7-1 +.

Chamberlain would have gone up, around, over, and thru Cousins like he was a 6-5 SG from the 60's.

If Russell, Bellamy, and Reed were surrendering numerous 50+ point games to a prime Chamberlain, then I suspect that Wilt would have treated Cousins like he did Darrall Imhoff.

[CuterThanRubio]

Cousins is 6-11 with a 27 inch vertical, and he dominates when he feels like it.

Wilt was 7-1 barefoot, with a giant wingspan, and a 40 inch vertical. But he wouldn't dominate. :facepalm

You can't read!

Cousins has more skills than Wilt.

Have you ever seen Cousins play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdK7t2r2GU

^Compare that to the garbage below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xr3i9jpiTE


:coleman:

[feyki]

Cousins is 6-11 with a 27 inch vertical, and he dominates when he feels like it.

Wilt was 7-1 barefoot, with a giant wingspan, and a 40 inch vertical. But he wouldn't dominate. :facepalm

I don't have clear data about that . But I feel , Kareem and Wilt both have 37 inches max vertical .