Is the Passover story the GOAT story in human history?

[Nick Young]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNGgsHbzWPs

Seriously, shit reads like the Iliad only less boring with less long passages of random Greek people's family members who arrived on boats.

Moses the chosen one of God redeems himself from being a pagan Egyptian.

Moses and Aaron kick some ass, and lead their people to freedom.

God comes up clutch as **** and delivers plague after plague and even parts the red sea.

Jews get free and eventually wind up in their homeland where they kick some more ass lead by one of history's GOAT generals Joshua.


This story seriously has everything. Has a better story ever been told?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmthKpnTHYQ

http://www.gifmania.co.uk/Religion-Animated-Gifs/Animated-Christianity/Moses/Moses-Aving-The-Red-Sea-89144.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

The story of Alexander, The Great.

[Nick Young]

The story of Alexander, The Great.
Did this bro Alexander part the red sea or did this bro Alexander get beaten down by Elephants in India like a bitch?

[highwhey]

The happenings from the time that the Israelites were freed up until entering the promise land would make quite the study for socialogy.

People often ask why the book of numbers is pages upon pages listing names...well, you have to consider the fact that some bad apples plotted to murder Moises, and God was going to crush them until Moises pleaded to God to save them. God instead of killing them at that moment, told Moises those people would never enter the promise land...guess what? Compare the names in the books of Numbers and you'll see some individuals did not make it :lol

[Dresta]

Did this bro Alexander part the red sea or did this bro Alexander get beaten down by Elephants in India like a bitch?
Someone's getting their historical info from shitty Colin Farrell movies :no: .

[PullupJay]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abwAvQDpEc3Ff7G/giphy.gif

[Nick Young]

Someone's getting their historical info from shitty Colin Farrell movies :no: .
:lol

[stalkerforlife]

Jesus Christ saving us from our sins is indeed the greatest story ever told.

[ROCSteady]

It is indeed pretty sweet storytelling but perhaps my greatest question of the tale is,

How does the mass exodus of Jews conquer a surely challenging, varying elevation of an unpredictable water body floor?

You know there was a mini mountain or sumthin down there that kids had to scale

[Nick Young]

It is indeed pretty sweet storytelling but perhaps my greatest question of the tale is,

How does the mass exodus of Jews conquer a surely challenging, varying elevation of an unpredictable water body floor?

You know there was a mini mountain or sumthin down there that kids had to scale
red sea ent that deep.

[ROCSteady]

red sea ent that deep.


Maybe not but it has to be rockier than what the Rugrats Passover special portrayed. :confusedshrug:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Take away the fact that it's from Old Testament, and every movie studio and publishing company in America would reject the story on account it's rambling nonsensical structure and unsympathetic protagonists.

It's weak primitive storytelling that plagiarizes Egyptian tales. Bill Shakespeare alone has a story or 10 that are far superior in terms of plot, pacing, and character development.

[Im Still Ballin]

Take away the fact that it's from Old Testament, and every movie studio and publishing company in America would reject the story on account it's rambling nonsensical structure and unsympathetic protagonists.

It's weak primitive storytelling that plagiarizes Egyptian tales. Bill Shakespeare alone has a story or 10 that are far superior in terms of plot, pacing, and character development.
A T L A N T I S

[ROCSteady]

Take away the fact that it's from Old Testament, and every movie studio and publishing company in America would reject the story on account it's rambling nonsensical structure and unsympathetic protagonists.

It's weak primitive storytelling that plagiarizes Egyptian tales. Bill Shakespeare alone has a story or 10 that are far superior in terms of plot, pacing, and character development.


Pretty efficient criticism right here.

Nick, the dreidle is in your space for rebuttal

[brownmamba00]

Take away the fact that it's from Old Testament, and every movie studio and publishing company in America would reject the story on account it's rambling nonsensical structure and unsympathetic protagonists.

It's weak primitive storytelling that plagiarizes Egyptian tales. Bill Shakespeare alone has a story or 10 that are far superior in terms of plot, pacing, and character development.
Damn.

[90sgoat]

There is not a single shred of evidence of Israelities in Egypt, nothing.

The jewish religion is from the siege of Jerusalem 600BC and it is actually the religion of fleeing Samarians from the North.

Jewish religion is the Talmud, brought forward by the Pharisee cult, Phari-see, Far-si, Farsi, Parthia, Persia, aka Persianized jews adopting Zoroastric beliefs about monotheism.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

It is the one of the best stories indeed Nick and no film can do it justice. Rather than call them Egyptian pagans, it's more accurate to say idolators or polytheists.

You can't neglect the role that Moses Mother or Tziporah and her father played on the journey. Dude was DONE in the desert until that Mercy arrived.


DBZ is epic because of its parallels with the story. Frieza should have slaughtered Goku and Veg when he (she?) had the chance. Dumb tyrant instead chose to raise him under its care.

[Nick Young]

Pretty efficient criticism right here.

Nick, the dreidle is in your space for rebuttal
It is written in a way that has proven to last thousands of years and been successful when translated in to thousands of different languages and introduced to different cultures all around the world and adapted in to different genres to reach different target audiences.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Prince_of_egypt_ver2.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/DeMilleTenCommandmentsDVDcover.jpg

http://www.movienewz.com/img/films/exodus_gods_and_kings_digital_hd_poster.jpg

No Hollywood studio is going to filming the archaic passover story doe. :hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

It is the one of the best stories indeed Nick and no film can do it justice. Rather than call them Egyptian pagans, it's more accurate to say idolators or polytheists.

You can't neglect the role that Moses Mother or Tziporah and her father played on the journey. Dude was DONE in the desert until that Mercy arrived.


DBZ is epic because of its parallels with the story. Frieza should have slaughtered Goku and Veg when he (she?) had the chance. Dumb tyrant instead chose to raise him under its care.
it contains universal truths and story elements that have been repeated and mirrored thousands of times in the world's greatest works of fiction and literature.


It truly is a timeless and universal tale.

Even people who don't like God can get hyped for Moses' redemption arc, and get hyped when the red sea is parted.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Take away the fact that it's from Old Testament, and every movie studio and publishing company in America


All of which have come and gone like the wind having no lasting impact. Maybbeee Shawshank and Schindler's List and Godfather II and Matrix and Glory were worth pondering upon among a few scattered others. Still far less awesome than using one's imagination and immersing themselves entirely in the Passover story. Give it a few years Phantom, and really ask yourself what is written between the lines. It'll hit harder than every Hollywood film combined... and THEN SOME.



would reject the story on account it's
rambling nonsensical structure and unsympathetic protagonists.

Nonsensical structure? The reader ought to put pieces of the puzzle together. Please tell me that you can piece together a film with flashbacks and flashforwards and multiple characters easy. If not then surely Running Scared and Atonement would have been quite the headache.

Unsympathetic? Riiiighttt. A guy who barely escaped death and had all the privileges in the world given to him and instead CHOSE to AID oppressed people AT the expense of his own luxury and then at the expense of his own extermination is "unsympathetic?"

So kindly explain to me what kind of figure we are to like?

It's weak primitive storytelling
that plagiarizes Egyptian tales

Just as every single Hollywood film or story ever produced recycles plotlines and adds a few twist here and there. Like burgers with the same meat; only onions and mushrooms on one and lettuce and tomato on another.

Sounds kinda like how the Bible specifically stated "There is nothing new on Earth."





Bill Shakespeare alone has a story or 10 that are far superior in terms of plot, pacing, and character development.


:roll: Character Development? Name 1, just 1 character that grows as much as Moses does.

Plot? Name 1 out of those 10 plots you find more entertaining. Hamlet, Macbeth, and Othello are solid; but not even close to as compelling and not even sniffing the inspiration and depth of meaning behind Passover. Midsummers, Tempest are like wasting your time watching Mean Girls when you can be watching La Vita e Bella.

But hey its all in the eye of the beholder. If Shaking Spear's nihilist existential tones and romantic teenage dramas reflect the current dilemmas of your life; then you have the freedom to label it higher in your mind. But please don't ever make the mistake of thinking Hollywood's judgment can even be compared to a story with that IMPACT and DAT grace and dat EPICness.


For guys like me, we like stories of liberation from oppression, the demise of corrupt tyrants, underdogs on top and natural disasters. Maybe it's just da neanderthal in me.

[Nick Young]

All of which have come and gone like the wind having no lasting impact. Maybbeee Shawshank and Schindler's List and Godfather II and Matrix and Glory were worth pondering upon among a few scattered others. Still far less awesome than using one's imagination and immersing themselves entirely in the Passover story. Give it a few years Phantom, and really ask yourself what is written between the lines. It'll hit harder than every Hollywood film combined... and THEN SOME.



would reject the story on account it's

Nonsensical structure? The reader ought to put pieces of the puzzle together. Please tell me that you can piece together a film with flashbacks and flashforwards and multiple characters easy. If not then surely Running Scared and Atonement would have been quite the headache.

Unsympathetic? Riiiighttt. A guy who barely escaped death and had all the privileges in the world given to him and instead CHOSE to AID oppressed people AT the expense of his own luxury and then at the expense of his own extermination is "unsympathetic?"

So kindly explain to me what kind of figure we are to like?

It's weak primitive storytelling

Just as every single Hollywood film or story ever produced recycles plotlines and adds a few twist here and there. Like burgers with the same meat; only onions and mushrooms on one and lettuce and tomato on another.

Sounds kinda like how the Bible specifically stated "There is nothing new on Earth."







:roll: Character Development? Name 1, just 1 character that grows as much as Moses does.

Plot? Name 1 out of those 10 plots you find more entertaining. Hamlet, Macbeth, and Othello are solid; but not even close to as compelling and not even sniffing the inspiration and depth of meaning behind Passover. Midsummers, Tempest are like wasting your time watching Mean Girls when you can be watching La Vita e Bella.

But hey its all in the eye of the beholder. If Shaking Spear's nihilist existential tones and romantic teenage dramas reflect the current dilemmas of your life; then you have the freedom to label it higher in your mind. But please don't ever make the mistake of thinking Hollywood's judgment can even be compared to a story with that IMPACT and DAT grace and dat EPICness.


For guys like me, we like stories of liberation from oppression, the demise of corrupt tyrants, underdogs on top and natural disasters. Maybe it's just da neanderthal in me.
Not worth the effort bruv, PhantomCreep aka PC is simply not a person capable of learning and personal growth. You really think PhantomCreep has ever read a full Shakespeare play? Dude saw 10 Things I Hate About You and declared himself a Shakespeare scholar.

[Im Still Ballin]

Hey Nick. Recommend me some good books to read. Books that drop KNOWLEDGE. Practical.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Not worth the effort bruv, PhantomCreep aka PC is simply not a person capable of learning and personal growth. You really think PhantomCreep has ever read a full Shakespeare play? Dude saw 10 Things I Hate About You and declared himself a Shakespeare scholar.

Speaking of not capable of learning and personal growth, both of us are kind of trapped in a bit of a karmic loop with the whole judgment thing. Knowing that silence, unshakeable Shalom and highest consciousness is the optimal modus of living, yet strange judgmental thoughts initiate these unfruitful threads, let's think.. hmmm... how can we free ourselves and escape out of this rut?

The nature of your previous thought is a) distracting b) judgmental, utilizing superlatives c) based on arbitrary criteria d) subjective/opinionated. The nature of your other thought is a) insulting towards another and b) lacking in hope for a brighter future. Hmmm... how can we be focused on what we should be doing, how can we find a proper Judgment, how can we know what is legitimately best? The nature of your thought in regards to the income streams are a) derived of anxiety that God won't provide for you.

Thus the "Do not judge lest ye be judge" and "Love others as one loves the self" commandments are broken.

Next, let us diagnose and reflect on our selves further. What is obstructing us from acquiring perfect peace?


Your criticism is actually correct on my behalf though, I watched like 5 movies in the 10th grade and ignorantly entered a Shakespeare discussion lol. :oldlol: Apologies. And the Amanda Bynes versions :roll: And as stubborn and ignorant a donkey as they come.

Phantom has already shown he's skeptical, willing to part with dogmatic traditions, has a solid grasp of English, very nice to minorities (i.e. the measure of a man is how much he can do for those who can not benefit him), and has the guts to stand up for what's right against an oppressive majority. Through subduing the ego, and establishing a close relationship with the Lord, the light and guidance of Faith in his heart will evolve his character beyond what was believed possible before.

There must always be hope. It is the one gift Pandora gave to all of ISHkind.

[Nick Young]

Hey Nick. Recommend me some good books to read. Books that drop KNOWLEDGE. Practical.
The Count of Monte Cristo
Leviathan
Les Miserables
His Dark Materials
Catch-22
The Grapes of Wrath

In terms of practicality, the Art of War and The Prince are easy to read and offer a lot of basic common sense knowledge you can use in the real world to benefit your life in all aspects.

These all be some good books full of knowledge and wisdom.

[Nick Young]

Speaking of not capable of learning and personal growth, both of us are kind of trapped in a bit of a karmic loop with the whole judgment thing. Knowing that silence, unshakeable Shalom and highest consciousness is the optimal modus of living, yet strange judgmental thoughts initiate these unfruitful threads, let's think.. hmmm... how can we free ourselves and escape out of this rut?

The nature of your previous thought is a) distracting b) judgmental, utilizing superlatives c) based on arbitrary criteria d) subjective/opinionated. The nature of your other thought is a) insulting towards another and b) lacking in hope for a brighter future. Hmmm... how can we be focused on what we should be doing, how can we find a proper Judgment, how can we know what is legitimately best? The nature of your thought in regards to the income streams are a) derived of anxiety that God won't provide for you.

Thus the "Do not judge lest ye be judge" and "Love others as one loves the self" commandments are broken.

Next, let us diagnose and reflect on our selves further. What is obstructing us from acquiring perfect peace?


Your criticism is actually correct on my behalf though, I watched like 5 movies in the 10th grade and ignorantly entered a Shakespeare discussion lol. :oldlol: Apologies. And the Amanda Bynes versions :roll: And as stubborn and ignorant a donkey as they come.

Phantom has already shown he's skeptical, willing to part with dogmatic traditions, has a solid grasp of English, very nice to minorities (i.e. the measure of a man is how much he can do for those who can not benefit him), and has the guts to stand up for what's right against an oppressive majority. Through subduing the ego, and establishing a close relationship with the Lord, the light and guidance of Faith in his heart will evolve his character beyond what was believed possible before.

There must always be hope. It is the one gift Pandora gave to all of ISHkind.

Online, I often say things that I don't believe in order to generate reactions, so I can see a person's true colors and how they respond to opposition. I also enjoy reading outside perspectives.

Sometimes all I get are LOL-worthy reactions and furious retards typing angrily. Sometimes I learn something valuable and new.


You seem to be involved in a belief system that involves a lot of rules and regulations. That is not for me. I have been moving down a more zen-like mindfulness based path in recent years. I believe that our two ideologies must be semi-opposed-though they don't have to be-considering we both are ultimately seeking the same thing: spiritual enlightenment.


I criticize different beliefs and ideologies in order to test their strength and the strength of their followers. A belief system that can not tolerate outside scrutiny and criticism is not a strong belief system IMO. I enjoy testing people because it helps me learn more about their belief system and how that belief system teaches them to deal with antagonizing forces. A truly strong belief system stands tall against antagonism and outside attacks, like a mountain. A weak and insecure belief system lashes out at even the slightest move made against it, just like an injured animal does.


The nature of your thought in regards to the income streams are a) derived of anxiety that God won't provide for you.

Not at all bro. I just believe that God doesn't always hand out meal tickets to people who don't work their ass off to earn it.

I am always trying to set up different income streams that don't involve any work beyond the initial set up. So far this is working well for me. This does not suggest that I don't believe in or trust in God. So far my business ventures have generally been working out and I'm grateful to God for letting that happen.

[NumberSix]

The greatest story ever told is probably the greatest story ever told. That's probably why it's called the greatest story ever told.

[ThePhantomCreep]

It is written in a way that has proven to last thousands of years and been successful when translated in to thousands of different languages and introduced to different cultures all around the world and adapted in to different genres to reach different target audiences.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Prince_of_egypt_ver2.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/DeMilleTenCommandmentsDVDcover.jpg

http://www.movienewz.com/img/films/exodus_gods_and_kings_digital_hd_poster.jpg

No Hollywood studio is going to filming the archaic passover story doe. :hammerhead:

This idiot can't read. :hammerhead:

I clearly stated that no studio would touch these stories as stand-alone non-Bible related works, and this is undoubtably true. With a protagonist who commits multiple acts of mass murder, while advocating slavery and rape? Good luck pitching that.

Biblical stories have a built-in audience, which is why the big studios occasionally fund them, but I would hardly call that a ringing endorsement of the Old Testament storytelling. In fact, many of these films are heavily sanitized versions of the Passover story-- essentially they have been rewritten for modern-day audiences.

Biblical writers did such a poor job portraying Jehovah God as "loving", modern day writers had to go back and do the work for them. :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

This idiot can't read. :hammerhead:

I clearly stated that no studio would touch these stories as stand-alone non-Bible related works, and this is undoubtably true. With a protagonist who commits multiple acts of mass murder, while advocating slavery and rape? Good luck pitching that.

Biblical stories have a built-in audience, which is why the big studios occasionally fund them, but I would hardly call that a ringing endorsement of the Old Testament storytelling. In fact, many of these films are heavily sanitized versions of the Passover story-- essentially they have been rewritten for modern-day audiences.

Biblical writers did such a poor job portraying Jehovah God as "loving", modern day writers had to go back and do the work for them. :oldlol:
Sounds like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad, dude. The Bible was way ahead of its time.

You lack reading comprehension if you believe the writers of the Torah were attempting to make God a "loving" character. :hammerhead:

Which makes sense considering you've already proven to be an actual retarded person deep on the spectrum.

[Dresta]

ThePhantomCreep really needs to stop pretending he's read the Bible.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Sounds like Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad, dude. The Bible was way ahead of its time.

You lack reading comprehension if you believe the writers of the Torah were attempting to make God a "loving" character. :hammerhead:

Which makes sense considering you've already proven to be an actual retarded person deep on the spectrum.


:lol Now this dummy is trying to sell God and Moses as anti-heroes a'la Walter White. Sure thing.

Why can't you just accept that the Torah uses primitive (and outdated) storytelling techniques, and leave it at that? You're like the old-timers who insist that Bob Cousy's one-handed dribbling would work well in today's league. :oldlol:

I don't recall Walter White killing off children while they slept. Or advocating rape and slavery. Audiences would have turned on him instantly, and that would have been the end of the show. That's because, when telling a story from an anti-hero perspective, there's a fine line you don't cross even if your lead protagonist is a bad seed. Henry Hill, Walter White, Travis Bickle, and Tony Montana are well-written anti-heroes. They don't go full evil, therefore the audience stays with them until the end.

Even the mafia frowns on killing innocent women and children, yet God of the Old Testament has no issue with it. His moral compass is weaker than that of a two-bit mafioso, and he crosses the line into evil territory more times than you can count.

To borrow a term from the NBA forum, it was a weak era for loving deities. :lol

[Nick Young]

:lol Now this dummy is trying to sell God and Moses as anti-heroes a'la Walter White. Sure thing.

Why can't you just accept that the Torah using primitive (and outdated) storytelling, and leave it at that? You're like the old-timers who insist that Bob Cousy's one-handed dribbling would work well in today's league. :oldlol:

I don't recall Walter White killing off children while they slept. Or advocating rape and slavery. Audiences would have turned on him instantly, and that would have been the end of the show.

That's because, when telling a story from an anti-hero perspective, there's a fine line you don't cross even if your lead protagonist is a bad seed. Henry Hill, Walter White, Travis Bickle, and Tony Montana are well-written anti-heroes. They don't go full evil, therefore the audience stays with them until the end.


You never read the bible. God is never meant to be shown as kind and loving. God is shown as an incomprehensible force that we can never truly comprehend.

The bible has stood the test of time.

Game of Thrones is essentially the Bible with all of the violence and incest and rape toned way down, and Game of Thrones is the most popular thing on TV these days.

The stories in the bible have lasted thousands of years for a reason.


What you call "primitive" is actually "universal" and "eternal".




Also, stop trying to pretend that you understand what the term "anti-hero" means, how how to write one successfully. Learn to write a successful message board force before you try to talk about writing deep and well-written characters.

Do you enjoy showing off your retardation?

[ThePhantomCreep]

You never read the bible. God is never meant to be shown as kind and loving. God is shown as an incomprehensible force that we can never truly comprehend.

I guess I imagined the whole "God is Love" mantra that gets shoved down everyone's throat by Jews and Gentiles. God as a loving deity is arguably the central theme of the Old AND New Testaments. You're an idiot.



The bible has stood the test of time.

As far as storytelling? Not at all. Read Plato's "Poetics", his theories. Or Shakespeare. They have stood the test of time.

The fact that you can take one of Shakespeare's stories and rework it in a modern setting speaks to his genius. Among playwrights and screenwriters, he is God.


What you call "primitive" is actually "universal" and "eternal".

Yeah, nothing says "universal" like reigning vicious plagues on your own children because they dared to worship someone other than you. Or wrecking Job's life to settle a debt with Satan the Devil.

What a loving parent God is. :rolleyes:

You want stories that successfully touch on universal themes while preaching good morals? Try Aesop's Fables.



Also, stop trying to pretend that you understand what the term "anti-hero" meansI know exactly what it means, but you obviously don't if you think Moses was intentionally portrayed as a morally ambiguous character a'la Walter White. Keep reaching, dumbass.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yeah, nothing says "universal" like reigning vicious plagues on your own children because they dared to worship someone other than you. Or wrecking Job's life to settle a debt with Satan the Devil.

What a loving parent God is. :rolleyes:


God has power over all things; the very molecules in your body, the DNA, your fate, the life, the very wiring that constitutes your psychology, and everything around in nature. Fearing Him or being conscious of what pleases Him and loving Him and trusting Him is the combination to give the creation the greatest happiness, tranquility, and fulfillment.

You're fighting a battle versus yourself, and the dark forces of disbelief and the whisperings of the Devil are prevailing right now. But you're better than that, PhantomCreep, you are so, so, so much better than whatever you think you are right now. The fact that you're proportioned the way you are, breathe the way you do, move the way you do, have an education are all tremendous blessings that have been bestowed upon you for free. A feat of engineering that's barely replicable physically, and certainly not conscious wise or spiritually wise (which is man's greatest strength.)

If a human civilization repeatedly allowed their leader to oppress one of their minorities, slaughter their boy children, rape their female children; have one of their own citizens who had a high standing come back and preach a message, and still decided to stubbornly choose to serve false gods (aka desires or lusts or fancies they had) then does it make sense for God to have any use for them?


When Aristotle looked outside at nature and reflected at where wildlife was going; plants sprouting up in one direction, animals moving in one direction, he mentioned this idea being teleology. Each organism had a purpose it strove for and naturally flowed into. Thus, the concept of teleology was understood.

When Spinoza looked at the world around him, he came to the conclusion that free will was largely an illusion; that what's really happening all around us is a creation unfolding; almost like a movie.

All of these creatures have DNA written on them and it unfolds a certain way by certain command.

Similarly, the creation (human being) is to arrive at happiness, and happiness can only occur if the human is aligned completely with it's Creator Laws.

"Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his chest." (33:4)


It's people who serve different masters and discombubulate and do things that are against their very hardwired nature; where chaos and turmoil and anxiety occur.

If you use your imagination very vividly you can peel off additional layers of the Moses story. When you reflect and put even more thought into the story; new, fresher meanings make themselves known. That's the beauty of Scripture; they illustrate principle that are true on MANY levels to many DEGREES to many DEPTHS.

Here's a few questions.

What could Pharoah symbolize?
What can we learn from how Moses handles situations?
Why were the 7 plagues chosen?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Online, I often say things that I don't believe in order to generate reactions, so I can see a person's true colors and how they respond to opposition. I also enjoy reading outside perspectives.

Sometimes all I get are LOL-worthy reactions and furious retards typing angrily. Sometimes I learn something valuable and new.


You seem to be involved in a belief system that involves a lot of rules and regulations. That is not for me. I have been moving down a more zen-like mindfulness based path in recent years. I believe that our two ideologies must be semi-opposed-though they don't have to be-considering we both are ultimately seeking the same thing: spiritual enlightenment.


I criticize different beliefs and ideologies in order to test their strength and the strength of their followers. A belief system that can not tolerate outside scrutiny and criticism is not a strong belief system IMO. I enjoy testing people because it helps me learn more about their belief system and how that belief system teaches them to deal with antagonizing forces. A truly strong belief system stands tall against antagonism and outside attacks, like a mountain. A weak and insecure belief system lashes out at even the slightest move made against it, just like an injured animal does.



Not at all bro. I just believe that God doesn't always hand out meal tickets to people who don't work their ass off to earn it.

I am always trying to set up different income streams that don't involve any work beyond the initial set up. So far this is working well for me. This does not suggest that I don't believe in or trust in God. So far my business ventures have generally been working out and I'm grateful to God for letting that happen.

What is spiritual enlightenment?
Who are you?
Where do thoughts come from?

[Hawker]

What is spiritual enlightenment?
Who are you?
Where do thoughts come from?

Nick Young is the Socrates of ISH.

[Nick Young]

What is spiritual enlightenment?
Who are you?
Where do thoughts come from?
I am not at a point in my life where I am qualified to answer any of those questions. Do you know the answers?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Nice response.