Westbrook vs. MJ

[3ball]

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Westbrook is poor man's Jordan with an inferior vertical:


https://media.giphy.com/media/m7CUuwpcpJR9m/giphy.gif



Compare to regular Jordan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/ZbjfFF4glBRv2/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/752NfnFd3Yz8k/giphy.gif



It makes sense that a poor man's Jordan would be the best player in today's game, as of today - Westbrook thrives even though he's 3 inches shorter than Jordan, not nearly as smart, a much worse shooter (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12320375&postcount=29), and can't jump as high.

Enjoy those facts

Based on what we see from poor man's Jordan, regular Jordan would average 50 in today's game.

[AirBonner]

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Westbrook is poor man's Jordan with an inferior vertical:


https://media.giphy.com/media/m7CUuwpcpJR9m/giphy.gif



Compare to regular Jordan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/ZbjfFF4glBRv2/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/752NfnFd3Yz8k/giphy.gif



It makes sense that a poor man's Jordan would be the best player in today's game, as of today - Westbrook thrives even though he's 3 inches shorter than Jordan, not nearly as smart, a much worse shooter (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12320375&postcount=29), and can't jump as high.

Enjoy those facts

Based on what we see from poor man's Jordan, regular Jordan would average 50 in today's game.
How do you even compare them? different positions plus westbrook is worse at every facet of the game compared to Jordan. Go back to the Bron comparison so you can at least make discussion out of it :oldlol:

[RRR3]

I'm a fan of Westbrook, but he's not the best player in the league. Curry is

[3ball]

How do you even compare them? different positions plus westbrook is worse at every facet of the game compared to Jordan.

Go back to the Bron comparison so you can at least make discussion out of it


Poor man's Jordan (Westbrook) is about equal to Lebron this year, maybe better.. Obviously, regular Jordan was better than both.

So there isn't any better discussion about Lebron vs. Jordan - Jordan averaged 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs and Finals (respectively) on better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg).. There's never been a #1 option that averaged 5-7 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.

Jordan's 5-7 PPG advantage with better efficiency is worth more than Lebron's 1.0 assist advantage (Jordan had lower turnovers) and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan had higher offensive rebounds).
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[riseagainst]

Curry would literally average 70 in the 90s.

[3ball]

I'm a fan of Westbrook, but he's not the best player in the league. Curry is
did you read the OP - I said Westbrook is the best RIGHT NOW - which is true, since Curry is hurt and can't play right now.

i'd beat curry right now.. you might too... :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Curry would literally average 70 in the 90s.
Curry can't even stay healthy in TODAY'S soft-ass game.

In the 90's, he'd leave the game on a stretcher.. They didn't allow boys to play in the 90's.

The 90's would kick Curry's fragile ass

[RRR3]

I wouldn't beat an injured Austin Rivers let alone curry.

[AirBonner]

Curry can't even stay healthy in TODAY'S soft-ass game.

In the 90's, he'd leave the game on a stretcher.. They didn't allow boys to play in the 90's.

The 90's would kick Curry's fragile ass
This is true. Curry would be body bagged

[imdaman99]

Imagine if Craig Ehlo was guarding Westbrook...

[3ball]

Imagine if Craig Ehlo was guarding Westbrook



Ron Harper averaged 40+ minutes as the starter - he was Jordan's primary defender, while Ehlo averaged 20 minutes off the bench.


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[theaussieguy]

as much as Jordan and Westbrook don't compare to the greatness of Curry, Westbrook doesn't even belong in the conversation. That first gif he JUST BARELY scrapes in a dunk using all his might. Absolutely pathetic considering he requires on physicality because he can't shoot.

He would need a 46 inch vert to make up for his lack of height and skills, alas he is stuck with a POVERTY 36.5 inch vertical. Middle school kids can jump higher lmao.

[bobopenguin]

Curry would literally average 70 in the 90s.

average 70 bricks per game.

[Genaro]

Man, no one would argue MJ is better than WB at pretty much everything.

[Paul George 24]

did you read the OP - I said Westbrook is the best RIGHT NOW - which is true, since Curry is hurt and can't play right now.

i'd beat curry right now.. you might too... :confusedshrug:
IDIOT

[StephHamann]

Why even compare them? Westbrook can clean MJ's boots and that's it.

[KingPush]

Interesting, they are both terrible shooters that rely only on their athleticism so I definitely see the comparison

Of course MJ is better though, since he has about 3 inches of height on him

[Dragonyeuw]

Why even compare them? Westbrook can clean MJ's boots and that's it.

It's not so much about comparing as it is extrapolation. Westbrook is 3 inches shorter, an inferior vertical, an inferior shooter, infinitely inferior IQ......and he's a top 5 player. Now, take that player, add 3 inches of height, higher vertical, GOAT level mid-range shooting, all-time great IQ and awareness, fundamentals, all-time great perimeter defensive skills...he would dominate the league. What I described there is 89-93, AKA peak, MJ.

[3ball]

Interesting, they are both terrible shooters that rely only on their athleticism


MJ was one of the best shooters ever inside 20 feet, much better than Curry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43).





Of course MJ is better though, since he has about 3 inches of height on him


Can you imagine if we gave Westbrook 3 more inches AND improved his midrange percentage by 10 points AND made him smarter with more hops?

YIKES... He'd be the GOAT, easily.
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[BlakFrankWhite]

Westbrook would average a triple double in the 90s

[3ball]

Westbrook would average a triple double in the 90s



That doesn't make sense, since Jordan never averaged a triple-double for a whole season, even though he was 3 inches taller, much smarter, more hops, and shot 10 percentage points better from midrange.

Also, you don't seem to understand that Westbrook would be FORCED to pull-up from midrange in previous eras much more than he does today, due to overcrowded paints that made penetration physically possible.

Here's a thread discussing how the lack of 3-point shooting allowed defenders to overcrowd the paint:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12327030#post12327030

[ClipperRevival]

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Westbrook is poor man's Jordan with an inferior vertical:


https://media.giphy.com/media/m7CUuwpcpJR9m/giphy.gif



Compare to regular Jordan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/ZbjfFF4glBRv2/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/752NfnFd3Yz8k/giphy.gif



It makes sense that a poor man's Jordan would be the best player in today's game, as of today - Westbrook thrives even though he's 3 inches shorter than Jordan, not nearly as smart, a much worse shooter (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12320375&postcount=29), and can't jump as high.

Enjoy those facts

Based on what we see from poor man's Jordan, regular Jordan would average 50 in today's game.

That 2nd gif is amazing. No head start and look at the explosion and elevation off the floor. MJ's athleticism was amazing. He just did it with no wasted motion so it didn't look as explosive as guys who get that deep knee bend on their jumps and explode off the floor. MJ was just pure fluidity in movement and that can deceive the eye.

[Dragonyeuw]

That 2nd gif is amazing. No head start and look at the explosion and elevation off the floor. MJ's athleticism was amazing. He just did it with no wasted motion so it didn't look as explosive as guys who get that deep knee bend on their jumps and explode off the floor. MJ was just pure fluidity in movement and that can deceive the eye.

Yeah, they're both amazing really. To have that kind of explosiveness with pretty much little forward momentum is crazy.

[ClipperRevival]

Yeah, they're both amazing really. To have that kind of explosiveness with pretty much little forward momentum is crazy.

Well, in the 2nd gif, he stopped and really had no momentum. It was pretty much a stand still jump off two feet. In the 3rd gif, you could see he is running from mid-court so he had much greater momentum. But still a great dunk.

[3ball]

Well, in the 2nd gif, he stopped and really had no momentum. It was pretty much a stand still jump off two feet.



Stand-still posters off 2 feet were standard for Jordan..

Here's posters on Shaq, Barkley, Olajuwon (and1), and Robinson:


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[ClipperRevival]

:applause: Always appreciate your gifs of MJ, makes me appreciate MJ even more. I don't know if anyone was more explosive off a quick hop step than MJ.

[AirFederer]

Dat dunk on Chuck is an (unknown) ATG!!! Just insane elevation off of no speed.

[Cold soul]

I really miss MJ playing man truly once in lifetime experience highly unlikely we ever seen player as good as Jordan if not better.

[navy]

I really miss MJ playing man truly once in lifetime experience highly unlikely we ever seen player as good as Jordan if not better.Curry exist

[OldSchoolBBall]

:applause: Always appreciate your gifs of MJ, makes me appreciate MJ even more. I don't know if anyone was more explosive off a quick hop step than MJ.

Definitely not. His quickness off the ground after the hop step, and the fact that he could get serious air without really bending his knees, was unparalleled. He was, in my opinion, not only the best leaper off a hop-step ever, but the best hop step player in history (Iverson is second imo). He knew exactly when and how to use it perfectly. Jordan could take a large or short hop step in any direction, and then jump in any ddirection off that hop step - even in a different direction from the direction of the original hop step. Perfect example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tR11lrtHUw#t=0m36s

[theaussieguy]

holy shit just realized Westbrook didnt even make the dunk in that gif, LMAO

POVERTY PERSONIFIED

[bdreason]

Westbrook doesn't play anything like MJ. What the fukc are you talking about?

[KiiiiNG]

Westbrook doesn't play anything like MJ. What the fukc are you talking about?
I honestly thought he was trolling when he said he doesn't watch today's NBA. But his posts over the last few days proves he actually doesn't. Hard to take him seriously now

[WolfGang]

If Ai could destroy 90s defenses then Westbrook would eat them alive. Absolutely no one would be able to stand in front of a player with a modern day cross over and his level of athleticism.

He is three inches shorter but is a better rebounder and passer. He is also faster and more explosive.

[LAZERUSS]

Westbrick is a superstar in today's NBA. Jordan would only be an all-star.

[Dragonyeuw]

He is three inches shorter but is a better rebounder and passer. He is also faster and more explosive.
I'm sure 3ball has lots of gifs to counter this, but Westbrook aint a better passer, I dont care what his assist numbers are. MJ is one of the best passers from the SG spot, noone considers passing to be one of Westbrooks main strengths. Its like saying hes a better passer than Lebron because his apg is higher. Rebounding, he wouldnt be averaging this many rebounds in the 90s when you had a league full of legit dominant bigs and PFs.

[Calabis]

Curry would literally average 70 in the 90s.

I probably shouldn't even respond, but your comment is stupid. I swear it's like mfers never played basketball. Curry would have difficult time because he wouldn't be dribbling all over the court like he does, due to freedom of impeding is movement....it's worse when he can shoot the way he does. Curry would be a good player, but half the crap you see wouldn't happen with the physical play back then. Jordan at his peak with the freedom of movement would be stupid as hell today......ask Kobe.

[Calabis]

If Ai could destroy 90s defenses then Westbrook would eat them alive. Absolutely no one would be able to stand in front of a player with a modern day cross over and his level of athleticism.

He is three inches shorter but is a better rebounder and passer. He is also faster and more explosive.

I know it's hard for you to believe, but AI was probably the quickest guy to play the game, he was so quick he is the guy who brought in crossovers that were always called as carries before(Tim Hathaway).....Westbrook would be a stud, but acting like the rules don't help him today is comical at best.

[Chadwin]

It's not so much about comparing as it is extrapolation. Westbrook is 3 inches shorter, an inferior vertical, an inferior shooter, infinitely inferior IQ......and he's a top 5 player. Now, take that player, add 3 inches of height, higher vertical, GOAT level mid-range shooting, all-time great IQ and awareness, fundamentals, all-time great perimeter defensive skills...he would dominate the league. What I described there is 89-93, AKA peak, MJ.

Good point, I never though of it like that.

[VeeCee15]

Vince Carter is way more explosive than both by far.

go to 37 seconds..no step windmill gets high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbbYtaolm2A

[riseagainst]

Vince Carter is way more explosive than both by far.

go to 37 seconds..no step windmill gets high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbbYtaolm2A


GOAT dunker and it's not even close.

:bowdown:

[GOATbrook]

GOATbrook compared to GOAT is accomplishment.
GOATbrook gonna GOAT, haters on suicide watch.

[ClipperRevival]

Vince Carter is way more explosive than both by far.

go to 37 seconds..no step windmill gets high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbbYtaolm2A

:oldlol:

[Klay 3D]

Vince Carter is way more explosive than both by far.

go to 37 seconds..no step windmill gets high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbbYtaolm2A
The perfect mix between flare, air, and power. He should be known as FAP from now on.

[ShawkFactory]

Did OP just say Westbrook was best player in today's game? :wtf:

[ClipperRevival]

Definitely not. His quickness off the ground after the hop step, and the fact that he could get serious air without really bending his knees, was unparalleled. He was, in my opinion, not only the best leaper off a hop-step ever, but the best hop step player in history (Iverson is second imo). He knew exactly when and how to use it perfectly. Jordan could take a large or short hop step in any direction, and then jump in any ddirection off that hop step - even in a different direction from the direction of the original hop step. Perfect example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tR11lrtHUw#t=0m36s

Yup, the more I watch MJ, the more I realize just how perfect of an athlete he was for basketball. He might not be the best athlete in an Olympic athlete type way but for bball, he was about as good as it gets. So fluid, coordinated, quick, agile, amazing reflexes, explosive, fast, huge hands and long arms. He checked off more boxes than anyone else. No wasted motion. He got to spots quicker than anyone else.

[Just2McFly]

Westbrook is literally one of the most explosive players I have ever seen and ppl are really trying to diss his explosiveness and athleticism? IDGAF who you put him next, that boy can fly and put in down with power.