36 points 13 rebounds 9 assists

[Dray n Klay]

How many times has someone averaged those numbers in a playoff series? :confusedshrug:


That's like Prime Shaq combined with Magic Johnson in one player :biggums:

[Klay 3D]

You missed 46 minutes, 39%, and the same usage rate as Kendrick Perkins though

[FreezingTsmoove]

You missed losing the series, blowing a 2-1 lead, and getting blown out the last 3 games in cringe fashion

[RRR3]

You missed 46 minutes, 39%, and the same usage rate as Kendrick Perkins though
If someone put up 36/13/9 on Kendrick Perkins' usage rate they would be god

[Dray n Klay]

You missed losing the series, blowing a 2-1 lead, and getting blown out the last 3 games in cringe fashion


Like the current Heat? :confusedshrug:

[FreezingTsmoove]

Like the 2011, 2014 Heat? :confusedshrug:

Yeah he also got blown out the last 3 games as well in cringe fashion, lil boy

[Blue&Orange]

Never Forget

Rebounding
Remember that white unauthentic stiff called Larry Bird that in today’s game would be Steve Novak? He got more offensive rebounds than Lebron. How is that possible? Such a specimen like Lebron, such a great rebounder!! Lebron’s offensive rebounds vs total rebounds disparity is laughable, dude is playing with Thompson and Mozgov and getting 14 defensive rebounds, how pathetic is that? Tremendous impact on the game getting that defensive rebound against your teammates when every player from the other team is already on their halfcourt!

How do you statpad rebounds? 2015 NBA finals Lebron James. No other literature needed.

Passing
Making a pass to someone camping behind the 3 point line that any D-league player can make it's not create a shot off a pass. Holding the ball top of the key then pass the ball to JR that take a dribble and drain a contested 3 is not create a shot off a pass. JR hot in first half Lebron 9 assists, JR cold second half Lebron 2 assists.. there you have it, in a a nutshell the "amazing" playmaking ability of King James.

Cavs players shooting 30% and he still averages 8 assists. Lebronball never fails to fill up the boxscore.

Shooting
This one is dead and buried, horrific performance. I just want to point out, that when everyone was deepthroating Lebron for his “historic perimeter fg%” I was the only one here pointing out only Landry Fields shot less from the perimeter and Lebron was cherry picking like no one ever before in the NBA, and that if he took more shots his FG% would plummet. I stand correct.

Defense, leadership and choking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

Green bullied Lebron in the paint all the time, he doesn’t get mad at teammates shooting 20% he doesn’t get mad at botched defensive assignments, he gets mad and yells at Thompson because he switched and had to deal with green again that bullied him again.

What happened to the complex intricate Blatt offensive system? The one Lebron mastered the 5 positions? Remember that? Sooner or later everyone falls in line, it’s all about Lebronball.

Again underwhelming 4th quarters with choking involved, lost game 1 and in the pivotal game 2 he choked, game went overtime because of him, he got lucky GSW as a team choked even more.

And the [B]Pi

[Gileraracer]

He shot 39% on 35 shot attempts and single-handedly cost his team the title with his bricks

[Lebronxrings]

He shot 39% on 35 shot attempts and single-handedly cost his team the title with his bricks
without him that team wouldn't beat the 76ers you retard

[KiiiiNG]

without him that team wouldn't beat the 76ers you retard
:lol

(E)the(R)

[Gileraracer]

without him that team wouldn't beat the 76ers you retard

Have you ever seen a team win a championship while a team member bricks 20 shots per game? No? Neither do I.

[Fudge]

Best player in that series despite the loss.

[Bankaii]

Have you ever seen a team win a championship while a team member bricks 20 shots per game? No? Neither do I.
So you can round 19.6 up to 20 but can't round 39.8 up to 40?
Your math is about as good as your posting.

[BlazerRed]

You missed 46 minutes, 39%, and the same usage rate as Kendrick Perkins though
Holy shit The Deliverer just got owned :lol

[drwax26]

How many times has someone averaged those numbers in a playoff series? :confusedshrug:


That's like Prime Shaq combined with Magic Johnson in one player :biggums:

How many time has someone taken 33 shots to get 36 points, shot 39% from the field and played 46 minutes per game in a playoff series?

:confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

So you can round 19.6 up to 20 but can't round 39.8 up to 40?
Your math is about as good as your posting.
What's funny is he posted this meltdown this morning about someone posting the wrong numbers.


Idiot, he didn't average a triple double in 2015. Stop making up stats to make Lebaldo look better

Dudes completely ruined by LeBron.

[Dray n Klay]

Combine the best finals stats of peak Shaq/Jordan :


40/15/11



It's pretty close to LeBrons 36/13/9 :confusedshrug:




LeBron was as good as peak Shaq/Jordan combined?? :biggums:



:bowdown:


LeBron is as good as peak Jordan and peak Shaq combined.

[Bankaii]

What's funny is he posted this meltdown this morning about someone posting the wrong numbers.

Dudes completely ruined by LeBron.
It's pathetic.
If you hate someone that much why dedicate a large portion of your life and time STRICTLY to him.

[3ball]

Dudes completely ruined by LeBron.


:facepalm

Despite Lebron shooting 39% and his defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games.

Clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.

[Hey Yo]

It's pathetic.
If you hate someone that much why dedicate a large portion of your life and time STRICTLY to him.
Definitely pathetic.

[Dray n Klay]

:facepalm

Despite Lebron shooting 39% and his defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games.

Clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.


Combine the best finals stats of peak Shaq/Jordan :


40/15/11



It's pretty close to LeBrons 36/13/9 :confusedshrug:




LeBron was as good as peak Shaq/Jordan combined?? :biggums:



:bowdown:


LeBron is as good as peak Jordan and peak Shaq combined.



LeBron = Prime Shaq and Prime Jordan combined

[RRR3]

Holy shit The Deliverer just got owned :lol
Nah. That post made no sense. It's statistically impossible to average 36 PPG on that many shots with a usage rate similar to Perkins

[pauk]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]Never Forget

Rebounding
Remember that white unauthentic stiff called Larry Bird that in today

[3ball]

LeBron = Prime Shaq and Prime Jordan combined



Finals Averages Thru Age 30:


Jordan: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg.. 3 FMVP
Lebron: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg.. 2 FMVP


:confusedshrug:

:yaohappy:

:banana:

[RRR3]

I think some people overrate LeBron's 2015 finals, but to act like he didn't have a good finals is silly.


He missed a lot of shots he normally makes (not just jumpers, his jumper was/is messed up since leaving Miami. He was missing layups and post ups). As a fan, I'm biased, but he was getting very little love from the officials in terms of foul calls. IIRC Jeff Van Gundy pointed out multiple times that LeBron was getting mauled on the way to the hoop with no call.

Sure he wasn't efficient. But he played his ass off, and he had to carry a ridiculous burden. I think the most underrated thing about his finals is that he controlled the pace of the game, deliberately taking as long as possible to advance the ball and using up most of the shot clock. This was effective in limiting the Warriors from playing their game and dominating in transition. They eventually overcame this, but it was definitely a great strategy on LBJ's part.

[Gileraracer]

So you can round 19.6 up to 20 but can't round 39.8 up to 40?
Your math is about as good as your posting.

No better excuses for bron today?

[warriorfan]

Lebron had a good cast in 2015...

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm

Despite Lebron shooting 39% and his defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games.

Clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.
extra 10ppg on double the amount of fga per game on an extra 10mpg on double the amount of fta per game against a guy playing in his 5th straight Finals. Iggy basically doubled his reg season numbers because of the extra 10mp

What were MJ's numbers like when he played in his 5th consecutive finals after while leading his team the 4th straight time in MP, PPG, TRB AND AST?

[3ball]

I think some people overrate LeBron's 2015 finals, but to act like he didn't have a good finals is silly.


Many other star players could average 36 ppg if they were willing to shoot 39% and chuck their ass off to get it.

Despite Lebron shooting 39% and his defense allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games.

Clearly, if he holds Iggy to his normal averages and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

.
Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

With teammates playing under capacity as predictable play-finishers, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Ultimately, Lebron's reduction of teammates into play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection: MJ's off-ball style got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), so the team plays to capacity and never loses as the favorite, while Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance and losing as the favorite..
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[Hey Yo]

As usual....duckin' my posts

[Hey Yo]

As usual....duckin' my posts.


So shook you deleted your post and made it look like I posted B2B

:roll:

[3ball]

Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg




Lebron led his team in MP, PPG, TRB AND AST


Jordan averaged 5 more points in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg), and 7 more points on better efficiency in the Finals.

Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge is more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with far more turnovers), and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan gets more offensive rebounds).

Ultimately, who cares that Lebron led his team all three categories (pts, rebs, assists) because he never had to CARRY the scoring load like Jordan did:


no all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career, EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in scoring by at least 10 ppg for every series.. As you can see, Jordan was in another DIMENSION from all other players.. In addition to Jordan's GOAT scoring, he also led Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49)

[pauk]

Jordan averaged 5 more points than Lebron on better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) in the playoffs, and 7 more points on better efficiency in the Finals.

Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge is more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with far more turnovers), and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan gets more offensive rebounds).

Ultimately, who cares that Lebron led his team all three categories (pts, rebs, assists) because he never had to CARRY the scoring load like Jordan did:


no all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career, EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in scoring by at least 10 ppg for every series.. As you can see, Jordan was in another DIMENSION from all other players.
.

Maybe thats because he didnt have Jordans supporting cast, you know... guys who could CARRY the rebounding & assists load so he could focus more on scoring... meanwhile being a drafted point-guard / a point-forward is a more unselfish offensive mindset / different mindset to that of a pure SG who's only job is to hoist shots aswell... but then again im not as objective, smart, mature & unprejudiced as you so i am definitely wrong....

[dynasty1978]

You missed losing the series, blowing a 2-1 lead, and getting blown out the last 3 games in cringe fashion

And doing nothing to slow down the Finals MVP, his SF counterpart, for the 2nd year in a row :oldlol:

[3ball]

.
MJ vs Lebron - Career Stats


Career Playoffs - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg


Career Finals - PER GAME:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg



Jordan averaged 5 more points in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg), and 7 more points on better efficiency in the Finals.

Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge is more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with far more turnovers), and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan gets more offensive rebounds).

Jordan's edges are larger - Lebron never had to CARRY the scoring load like Jordan did.. Here's an illustration: no all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career, EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in scoring BY AT LEAST 10 PPG for every series.. As you can see, Jordan was in another dimension from all other players.. In addition to Jordan's GOAT scoring, he also led Bulls in assist % for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49)
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[3ball]

Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced


Maybe thats because he didnt have Jordans supporting cast, you know... guys who could CARRY the rebounding & assists load so he could focus more on scoring... but then again im not as objective, smart, mature & unprejudiced as you so i could be wrong....


Jordan led his team in passing just like Lebron - see the stats above.

However, in addition to leading his team in passing, Jordan led his team in scoring by a far greater margin than Lebron did.. Jordan CARRIED his team's scoring load, while Lebron doesn't - Lebron won a ring averaging a mere 25 ppg.. What a joke

Look at the career stat comparison posted in the previous post - Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge is more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers), and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan gets more offensive rebounds).

[Prime_Shaq]

It was a good Finals but it wasn't on Shaq or Jordan's level.

[RRR3]

3ball,
You know what the definition of insanity is?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[Poetry]

It was a good Finals but it wasn't on Shaq or Jordan's level.

The GmSc (Game Score = "rough measure of a player's productivity") for LeBron's 35.8/13.3/8.8 was 24.6 for the series. Barkley's 27.3/13.0/5.5 was 23.4. So those two are on the same level.

At their peak, MJ, Magic, and Shaq had Game Score's in the 28-30 range in the Finals.

[3ball]

3ball,
You know what the definition of insanity is?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


I don't expect different results - I know you guys will continue whining and being unable to refute the facts.

don't you get it?... i'm RUBBING IT IN

[Poetry]

Interestingly, Wade's 25.4 GmSc in the 2006 Finals is the highest since Shaq's LA days.

[FKAri]

Best player in that series despite the loss.
This is the truth tho and everyone knows it.

[ballinhun8]

Definition of empty stats




Let bran get his and make the other guys beat you. The Popovich strategy

[Bankaii]

No better excuses for bron today?
At least you're aware of your learning disability.

[eliteballer]

Anthony Davis put up better numbers against them:

31.5 pts 11 reb 2 ast 3 blk 1.3 stl

54 FG%

[3ball]

.
Efficiency at high volume - players with 25+ FGA and 45% FG


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:...... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:.... 1975
George Gervin:. 1982
Kobe Bryant:.... 2006
Elgin Baylor:.... 1963
Tiny Archibald:. 1973
Dominique:...... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:..... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:.......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:.......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:....... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:............ 1966
Rick Barry:............ 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:.. 1995
Kobe Bryant:.......... 2007
Dominique:............ 1988
Allen Iverson:......... 2005
Kareem Jabbar:...... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


Notice that Lebron is not on the list - the 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team) (see 3rd paragraph in section on Curry for double-teaming data).. Compare that to MJ, where his efficient high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as a standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the REAL holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the efficient high volume must be achieved within the team concept.. Only 2 players have reached this holy grail of basketball skill (25 shot attempts on 45% during a championship playoff run): MJ did it 4 times (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem once (1995).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.

Now lets look at Lebron - wouldn't it be nice for Lebron to score 20% more on better efficiency????... Isn't that what any fan would want of their favorite player??.. Well that's what Jordan DID (see the stats below).


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 44.8 fg.. 54.1 ts.. 110 ORtg
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 47.8 fg.. 55.4 ts.. 108 ORtg
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[3ball]

.
Lebron bricked his way to 36 ppg doing THIS - repeated iso-clearouts:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif


His stats deserve no respect because his time of possession was an utterly ridiculous 12.0 minutes, which was 50% higher than the RS leader John Wall's 8.1 minutes:

Time of possession leaders - FINALS (Lebron):


http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4


Time of possession leaders REGULAR SEASON (Wall):


http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[AintNoSunshine]

You missed 46 minutes, 39%, and the same usage rate as Kendrick Perkins though

You missed the simple fact that it take a team to win, and he didn't have a real one.

[RRR3]

I don't expect different results - I know you guys will continue whining and being unable to refute the facts.

don't you get it?... i'm RUBBING IT IN

What are you rubbing in? Your mental disabilities?

[RRR3]

I like how I'm still the only one who noticed how dumb Klay 3d's post was. It's literally impossible to achieve what he said LeBron did.

[3ball]

You missed the simple fact that it take a team to win, and he didn't have a real one.


It takes good team chemistry and a high level of basketball to win.

Unfortunately, Lebron prevented these things by holding on to the ball 50% more than the RS leader and employing a sophomoric, playground style to achieve a low efficiency, 36 ppg.

Tell me where I'm wrong

[Marchesk]

Elgin Baylor in 62 Finals, 4-3 loss to Celtics:

40.6/17.9/3.7 on 43%

[Mr Feeny]

Elgin Baylor in 62 Finals, 4-3 loss to Celtics:

40.6/17.9/3.7 on 43%better than Wilt:applause: THIS is how to play in nba finals. Not averaging 18 ppg like your choker of an idol:roll:

[LAZERUSS]

better than Wilt:applause: THIS is how to play in nba finals. Not averaging 18 ppg like your choker of an idol:roll:

Feeble, you are too funny...

So you are praising Baylor's 41-18 Finals against Boston?

How about Wilt against the SAME team in the EDF's that SAME year...but of course, defended by RUSSELL (and the ENTIRE Celtic team)...

34 ppg, 27 rpg, and 47%.

And Baylor had West, while Chamberlain basically battled Boston by himself. Both teams lost a close game seven to the 60-20 Celtics.


BTW, Russell slaughtered the Lakers in that Finals, and in four more Finals in the 60's. Too bad Wilt never had the good fortune to have played the Lakers any time in the decade of the 60's...otherwise he would most assuredly hold every major playoff scoring and efficiency record.

How about this ...


Here were Russell's numbers against LA in those five series:

'62:

Russell averaged 18.9 ppg on a .457 FG% in his regular season against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 22.9 ppg on a .543 FG%. Which included a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.

BTW, against Wilt in the '62 EDF's: 22.0 ppg on a .399 FG%


'63:

Russell averaged 16.8 ppg on a .432 FG% in his regular season.

Against LA in the Finals: 20 ppg on a .467 FG%


'65:

Russell averaged 14.1 ppg on a .438 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 17.8 ppg on a .702 FG% (yes, .702.)

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 15.6 ppg on a .447 FG%


'66:

Russell averaged 12.9 ppg on a .415 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 23.6 ppg on a .538 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 14.0 ppg on a .423 FG%


'68:

Russell averaged 12.5 ppg on a .425 FG% against the NBA

Against LA in the Finals: 17.3 ppg on a .430 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 13.7 ppg on a .440 FG%


Oh, and here were Russell's stats in the '69 Finals against Wilt:

Regular season against the NBA: 9.9 ppg on a .433 FG%

Against Wilt in the Finals: 9.0 ppg on a .397 FG%

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...



Again, had Wilt faced the Lakers in any of his nine seasons in the league from '60 thru '68, and he likely would own at least some, (if not a vast majority), playoff and perhaps Finals, scoring records (and perhaps FG% records, as well, since Russell shot .702 against LA in '65.)

And once again, in Wilt's regular seasons, he was facing LA between 7 to 12 games in each season, with an average of about 10.

Also keep in mind that the Lakers were in the Western Conference, and Wilt only had two seasons in the Western Conference from '60 thru '68, and in one of those, his team was so bad, that he didn't make the playoffs, despite a 44.8 ppg season on .528 shooting.


Ok, here we go:

'59-60:

Against the entire NBA that season: 37.6 ppg on a .461 FG%

Against the Lakers in 9 H2H's: 36.8 ppg on a .430 FG%

High games of 41, 41, 41, 45, and 52.


'60-61:

Against the entire NBA: 38.4 ppg on a .509 FG%

Against the Lakers in 10 H2H's: 40.1 ppg on a .506 FG%

High games were 41, 41, 43, 44, 46, and 56 points.


'61-62:

Against the entire NBA: 50.4 ppg on a .506 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2H games: 51.6 ppg on a .503 FG%

High games of 48, 56, 57, 60, 60, and 78 (with 43 rebounds.)


'62-63: Against the entire NBA: 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 48.6 ppg on a .541 FG%

High games of 40, 40, 42, 53, 63, and 72 points.


'63-64: Against the entire NBA: 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 44.3 ppg on a .484 FG%

High games of 40, 41, 47, 49, 50, 55, and 59 points.


'64-65: Against the entire NBA: 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%

Against LA in 8 H2Hs: 29.9 ppg on a .476 FG%

High games of 40, 40, and 41 points.


'65-66: Against the entire NBA: 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%

Against LA in 10 H2Hs: 40.8 ppg on a .559 FG%

High games of 42, 49, 53, and 65 points.


'66-67: Against the entire NBA: 24.1 ppg on a .683 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2Hs: 26.4 ppg on a .759 FG%

High games of 32, 37, and 39 points.


'67-68: Against the entire NBA: 24.3 ppg on a .595 FG%

Against LA in 7 H2Hs: 28.1 ppg on a .638 FG%

High games of 31, 32, 35, and 53 points.


Overall, in those 86 games:

40 Point Games: 42

50 Point Games: 19

60 Point Games: 7

70 Point Games: 2

High game of 78 points.

So, the reality was, Chamberlain's "Finals" in the decade of the 60's were actually the EDF's, where he faced the Celtic Dynasty six times (and then twice more in the Finals.)

How did Wilt do against Russell and the greatest dynasty in NBA history?

He had series of 31-27 .500 (in a post-season NBA that shot .402)' 34-27 .468 (in a post-season NBA that shot .411); 29-28 .517 (in a post-season NBA that shot .420); 30-31 .555 (in a post-season NBA that shot .429); 22-32-10 .556 (obliterated Russell and the eight-time defending champs in the process); 22-25-7 .480; and 12-25 .500.

Four of those eight series came down to game seven's, and those losses were by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points. Oh, and he outscored, outrebounded, and outshot Russell in all EIGHT...most by HUGE margins.

Thanks for playing Feeble...

[Achilleas]

many players in the nba put empty stats
3ball put empty posts

[Blue&Orange]

Statpadding? Almost seems like anybody could do what Lebron does/did allround... when only 2 others managed something similar more or less, Oscar Robertson and Michael Jordan... if he is a statpadder then you better at least call him the GOAT statpadder....
I already did, many times. He is by far the biggest statpadder, cherry picker, NBA as ever seen.



Also lol that the only response to a extensive post, explaining how empty Lebron stats are, is check my stats!

[Disaprine]

all negated by his 39% shooting and 30+ shot attempts. :(

[3ball]

all negated by his 39% shooting and 33 shot attempts. :(


And an utterly ridiculous time of possession..

Lebron's stats deserve no respect because his time of possession was an insane 12.0 minutes, which was 50% higher than the RS leader John Wall's 8.1 minutes:


Time of possession leaders - NBA FINALS (Lebron): http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
Time of possession leaders - REG SEASON (Wall): http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


It takes good team chemistry and a high level of basketball to win - unfortunately, Lebron prevented these things by holding on to the ball 50% more than the RS leader and employing a iso-playground style to achieve a low efficiency, 36 ppg.