High fat diet starves the brain.

[shlver]

[QUOTE]A high-fat diet of three days in mice leads to a reduction in the amount of glucose that reaches the brain. This finding was reported by a Research Group led by Jens Br

[gigantes]

do you think this is true across the board for fats, or could it differ by type?

the reason i ask is, i have a diet fairly high in 'healthy' fats, such as avocado, seeds, nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, etc.

[LBJ 23]

do you think this is true across the board for fats, or could it differ by type?

the reason i ask is, i have a diet fairly high in 'healthy' fats, such as avocado, seeds, nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, etc.

It doesn't matter, like it says in the article the problem is the lack of glucose(carbs) and it's not about the type of fats you're consuming.

But as long as you have atleat 100-150 grams of carbs per day I think there shouldn't be any problem.

[gigantes]

It doesn't matter, like it says in the article the problem is the lack of glucose(carbs) and it's not about the type of fats you're consuming.

But as long as you have atleat 100-150 grams of carbs per day I think there shouldn't be any problem.
thanks; i read the quoted portions. i'm curious what shlver might think.

as for carbs-- well, there are carbs and there are carbs.

i imagine that most people on shitty american high-fat diets (for example) are probably getting those 100 - 150 grams of carbs and STILL developing insulin resistance. in fact, likely augmenting it, based on the type of processed carbs that typically are involved in such a diet.

[gigantes]

코비
btw is that schapelle corby?

[shlver]

[QUOTE]Within only 3 days of HFD feeding, expression of proinflammatory cytokines increases in the hypothalamus of rodents as the key regulatory center in energy and glucose homeostasis (Thaler et al., 2012). These acute changes are later accompanied by a whole array of cellular responses, including gliosis, alterations in brain vasculature, and blood-brain barrier (BBB) integrity (K

[shlver]

btw is that schapelle corby?
I don't know who that is. It's Kobe written in Korean.

[KiiiiNG]

Carbs cause diabetes, cancer, inflammation of the digestive tract, dysbiosis, and obesity.

A clean paleo diet is the healthiest diet on the planet. OP wants any reason to justify his oreo addiction.

"fats starve teh brain!"

:rolleyes:

[shlver]

Carbs cause diabetes, cancer, inflammation of the digestive tract, dysbiosis, and obesity.

A clean paleo diet is the healthiest diet on the planet. OP wants any reason to justify his oreo addiction.

"fats starve teh brain!"

:rolleyes:
Yeah a paleo diet doesn't have carbs at all.:rolleyes:

[shlver]

thanks; i read the quoted portions. i'm curious what shlver might think.

as for carbs-- well, there are carbs and there are carbs.

i imagine that most people on shitty american high-fat diets (for example) are probably getting those 100 - 150 grams of carbs and STILL developing insulin resistance. in fact, likely augmenting it, based on the type of processed carbs that typically are involved in such a diet.
Last part is especially true. You should be deriving your carbs from fruits and vegetables.

[gigantes]

thanks much for the breakdown!


I don't know who that is. It's Kobe written in Korean.
ah, google translate came up with "corby" and i just ran with it. :P


Last part is especially true. You should be deriving your carbs from fruits and vegetables.
a typical meal for me is a spicy legume-veggie stew, guacamole with pico de gallo, or salad with egg / salmon. i snack on stuff like carrots, radishes, nuts, berries in season. and ramen / rice noodles with veggies (see below).

i don't eat enough fruit in general, but i have plans to get a vitamix blender so i don't have to waste the pulp as an average juicer does.

i sometimes add whole grains to my stews, like quinoa or wild & brown rice. but i have a weakness for noodles. i'm going to try substituting spaghetti squash noodles and see how that works. i'm also curious about trying shirataki noodles, as they're zero-cal, made from yams, and indigestible.

biggest problem for me is alcohol-- i like to drink after a workout, and that happens about three times a week. usually about 3-4 mixed drinks. i'm trying to cut down, but alcohol is devilish in temporarily relieving various health issues, plus some social phobia.

what's your diet like, if i may ask.

[highwhey]

OP go have this argument with Lyle Mcdonald at his forums. PLEASE I BEG YOU. This man is arrogant as fck and is a nerd. Go prove him wrong.

http://forums.lylemcdonald.com

[KyrieTheFuture]

Carbs cause diabetes, cancer, inflammation of the digestive tract, dysbiosis, and obesity.

A clean paleo diet is the healthiest diet on the planet. OP wants any reason to justify his oreo addiction.

"fats starve teh brain!"

:rolleyes:
This dude doesn't even ****ing know what Paleo is

[knickballer]

For every article that says high fat diet is bad there will be an article arguing it and saying it's healthy. Same with carbs and same with anything diet related. Even sugar majority say it's bad but I've read studies that says its also good!


To me the the best diet is one that is mainly centered around plants and nuts with small amounts of meat.

Eat, not alot, mostly plants (Michael Pallin)

[gigantes]

For every article that says high fat diet is bad there will be an article arguing it and saying it's healthy. Same with carbs and same with anything diet related. Even sugar majority say it's bad but I've read studies that says its also good!
but as i understand it, that wasn't just an 'article'... more like an expanded abstract of a published study, with concise summations of the biochemical mechanisms involved.

not some wannabe-nutritionist or even registered dietitian opining their views.

btw, i'd like to see those articles advocating for a high-processed carb or high-sugar diet. sounds like some hilarious reading! :D



To me the the best diet is one that is mainly centered around plants and nuts with small amounts of meat.

Eat, not alot, mostly plants (Michael Pallin)
i mostly agree with that.

about pallin- what he says about whole foods and avoiding preservatives makes a lot of sense to me, but his idea that 'anything prepared freshly should be okay to eat' still sounds like rubbish to me.

yea sure... eat as much bacon and cake as you want, as long as you freshly cooked it. (i'm paraphrasing from a long radio interview with him from a couple years ago)

[KiiiiNG]

This dude doesn't even ****ing know what Paleo is
You don't know what anything is, you ****ing loser pothead. Paleo by default is a high-fat diet... that's where the majority of the calories come from, you ****ing moron.

"High fat diet starves the brain"

What? :facepalm

[LBJ 23]

All this hard core diets(like keto) are so stupid in my opinion, eat a balanced diet and watch for the most important thing which is calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with carbs, they wont kill you and they won't make you fat. But sadly nowadays carbs are the victim of the ignorant people who put all the blame on the carbs even though too high calorie intake should be blamed.

Why completely avoid one macronutrient(carbs) since there is absolutely no need to if you don't have some kind of disease?

[Im Still Ballin]

I eat the Spaceman diet

[KyrieTheFuture]

You don't know what anything is, you ****ing loser pothead. Paleo by default is a high-fat diet... that's where the majority of the calories come from, you ****ing moron.

"High fat diet starves the brain"

What? :facepalm
Why are you quoting him acting like I said it? I haven't agreed with anything anyone has said. But you clearly don't know what Paleo is.

[gigantes]

All this hard core diets(like keto) are so stupid in my opinion, eat a balanced diet and watch for the most important thing which is calorie intake. There is nothing wrong with carbs, they wont kill you and they won't make you fat. But sadly nowadays carbs are the victim of the ignorant people who put all the blame on the carbs even though too high calorie intake should be blamed.

Why completely avoid one macronutrient(carbs) since there is absolutely no need to if you don't have some kind of disease?
-of course- there's something wrong with carbs, specifically in terms of how civilisation tends to consume them.

study after study has made plain that eating a diet with typical amounts of sugar and processed grains tends to produce a variety of negative health effects, even for those without a particular disease predisposition in question.

diabetes II and cardiovascular events would be the biggest headliners, i think.

[BigNBAfan]

I dont know who thought keto diets were good to begin with...

Just eat clean and take small dosages of steroids and have estrogen inhibitors on deck people...

[LBJ 23]

-of course- there's something wrong with carbs, specifically in terms of how civilisation tends to consume them.

study after study has made plain that eating a diet with typical amounts of sugar and processed grains tends to produce a variety of negative health effects, even for those without a particular disease predisposition in question.

diabetes II and cardiovascular events would be the biggest headliners, i think.


It's clear you are pro-fat but there is still nothing wrong with carbs. To counter your whole post, it's pretty easy for me to say how fats are bad like just simple oil frying(how civilisation tends to consume it) is cancerogenic, not to mention frying in already fried oil before which probably every restaurant does, it's one of the most unhealthiest stuff you can consume. How trans fats are bad for you cuz you know.....most of the civilisation does not consume fats like you do(olive oil, avocado, coconut oil, omega 3,..) but things like trans fats are daily on their menu.

So it's about balanced diet like I said, eating some sugar per day won't kill you or have any longterm ill effect or your body just like consuming some fried oil here and there won't kill you either. Again it's about balanced diet and proper food choices, not about carbs or fats or protein.

[LBJ 23]

I dont know who thought keto diets were good to begin with...

Just eat clean and take small dosages of steroids and have estrogen inhibitors on deck people...


Yeah just do that and you are all set :applause: :bowdown:

[BigNBAfan]

Yeah just do that and you are all set :applause: :bowdown:

check my log in the fit thread :)

[knickballer]

about pallin- what he says about whole foods and avoiding preservatives makes a lot of sense to me, but his idea that 'anything prepared freshly should be okay to eat' still sounds like rubbish to me.

yea sure... eat as much bacon and cake as you want, as long as you freshly cooked it. (i'm paraphrasing from a long radio interview with him from a couple years ago)

I think you misunderstood what he was saying. To him he's saying it takes alot of effort and time to make some foods. If you actually take to the time to prepare & cook the food you'll realize it's difficult and timely and it's not worth spending all that time to eat that food in the future.

For example he uses french fries as an example. In the past(before fast food became mainstream) french fries was a "special" meal not eaten very often because it took alot of time and effort, and you had to fry them making the house smell and what not. Chances are you won't be eating french fries everyday if you waste an hour cooking it. But nowadays that's not the case as french fries are some of the most easily accessible foods in our country.

[LBJ 23]

check my log in the fit thread :)


Yea I did, no offense but like most of the steroid users you have absolutely no clue about nutrition. And that shows on your pictures too, people on steroids are capable of losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time or atleast do a crazy good lean bulk with minimal fat gain and lots of muscle gain. You on the other hand look fat and bloated.

[Cali Syndicate]

Carbs cause diabetes, cancer, inflammation of the digestive tract, dysbiosis, and obesity.

A clean paleo diet is the healthiest diet on the planet. OP wants any reason to justify his oreo addiction.

"fats starve teh brain!"

:rolleyes:

Guess I should stop eating my fruits and veggies, then. You really know your stuff.

[BigNBAfan]

Yea I did, no offense but like most of the steroid users you have absolutely no clue about nutrition. And that shows on your pictures too, people on steroids are capable of losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time or atleast do a crazy good lean bulk with minimal fat gain and lots of muscle gain. You on the other hand look fat and bloated.

What exactly are you talking about? There is water retention when it comes to the use of hormones... hence the weight loss post-cycle.

I do blood work every 2 months, i'm not the average steroid user as I am a physican and know my macros and dietary intake. Fact is, you have no clue as to how i train, you're going by two pictures? no offense, but get a clue before passing judgement on someones diet.

If you want to continue this conversation take it over to the fit thread, dont want to ruin the OPs thread by derailing it.

[gigantes]

It's clear you are pro-fat but there is still nothing wrong with carbs. To counter your whole post, it's pretty easy for me to say how fats are bad like just simple oil frying(how civilisation tends to consume it) is cancerogenic, not to mention frying in already fried oil before which probably every restaurant does, it's one of the most unhealthiest stuff you can consume. How trans fats are bad for you cuz you know.....most of the civilisation does not consume fats like you do(olive oil, avocado, coconut oil, omega 3,..) but things like trans fats are daily on their menu.

So it's about balanced diet like I said, eating some sugar per day won't kill you or have any longterm ill effect or your body just like consuming some fried oil here and there won't kill you either. Again it's about balanced diet and proper food choices, not about carbs or fats or protein.
yeah, i think that the whole idea of "a little of this or a little of that every day won't kill you" is one of the most clueless tropes in all of armchair nutrition.

a little of f-cking anything on a regular basis obviously won't kill you if it doesn't actually cause your death that day.

FFS, that doesn't mean it doesn't cause damage at some level that you may or may not be aware of. which impacts both health in general and lifespan. yeah, that whole argument is a willfully-delusional line of cow manure IMO.

now i'm not some hardass extremist who believes that you can't treat yourself to cheat days on a regular basis. no, my point is simply that it's good to have a general sense of how -much- damage you're doing to yourself when you do cheat. it can be anywhere from negligible to significant, see.

i really think you should get your ass in to a nutrition class one of these days, because your dude-bro kind of approach to nutrition sounds pretty outdated.

[gigantes]

I think you misunderstood what he was saying. To him he's saying it takes alot of effort and time to make some foods. If you actually take to the time to prepare & cook the food you'll realize it's difficult and timely and it's not worth spending all that time to eat that food in the future.

For example he uses french fries as an example. In the past(before fast food became mainstream) french fries was a "special" meal not eaten very often because it took alot of time and effort, and you had to fry them making the house smell and what not. Chances are you won't be eating french fries everyday if you waste an hour cooking it. But nowadays that's not the case as french fries are some of the most easily accessible foods in our country.
i'd say he has a point... that only goes so far.

see, once you make a routine of it, making french fries from scratch is pretty simple. i've done it myself. as is making bacon unpreserved from the butcher, or deep frying any number of things.

not to mention, what if you enjoy spending time cooking? win-win according to that scenerio, right...?

basically, i think pollen is trying to be realistic (and limited) about helping people eat healthier. but if you follow his philosophy to the letter, you can potentially ruin yourself, as i've given examples of. that's why i'd say ideally it's best to follow his thoughts on whole foods and eliminating preservatives, but MELD it with other concepts, such as having a bias towards local fruits and veggies, organic if possible, eating an antioxidant color spectrum, avoiding inflammatory foods, having a bias towards alkaline foods, etc...

[LBJ 23]

yeah, i think that the whole idea of "a little of this or a little of that every day won't kill you" is one of the most clueless tropes in all of armchair nutrition.

a little of f-cking anything on a regular basis obviously won't kill you if it doesn't actually cause your death that day.

FFS, that doesn't mean it doesn't cause damage at some level that you may or may not be aware of. which impacts both health in general and lifespan. yeah, that whole argument is a willfully-delusional line of cow manure IMO.

now i'm not some hardass extremist who believes that you can't treat yourself to cheat days on a regular basis. no, my point is simply that it's good to have a general sense of how -much- damage you're doing to yourself when you do cheat. it can be anywhere from negligible to significant, see.

i really think you should get your ass in to a nutrition class one of these days, because your dude-bro kind of approach to nutrition sounds pretty outdated.


Yeah I completely agree with you, and all this stands true for BOTH fats and carbs. Only problem I see and why I even post is that you are so ****ing in love with the fats that you can't be objective. Yea sugar and proccessed carbs and lack of fiber is bad for you but the same stands for most of the fats used in average Joe's diet, it's just that you quoted me saying, simplified ''carbs are bad in certain scenario'' while in the same scenario you won't admit that fats are bad for you too. And this scenario is let's say todays average Joe's diet.

[BigNBAfan]

i'd say he has a point... that only goes so far.

see, once you make a routine of it, making french fries from scratch is pretty simple. i've done it myself. as is making bacon unpreserved from the butcher, or deep frying any number of things.

not to mention, what if you enjoy spending time cooking? win-win according to that scenerio, right...?

basically, i think pollen is trying to be realistically limited about helping people eat healthier. but if you follow his philosophy to the letter, you can potentially ruin yourself, as i've given examples of. that's why i'd say ideally it's best to follow his thoughts on whole foods and eliminating preservatives, but MELD it with other concepts, such as having a bias towards local fruits and veggies, organic if possible, eating an antioxidant color spectrum, avoiding inflammatory foods, having a bias towards alkaline foods, etc...

Good tip to keep on track is always having healthy snacks ready. Here's a week worth of cooked chicken breast meatballs, added some garlic and italian herbs.

http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/05/01/572573529374b.jpg

[gigantes]

Yeah I completely agree with you, and all this stands true for BOTH fats and carbs. Only problem I see and why I even post is that you are so ****ing in love with the fats that you can't be objective. Yea sugar and proccessed carbs and lack of fiber is bad for you but the same stands for most of the fats used in average Joe's diet, it's just that you quoted me saying, simplified ''carbs are bad in certain scenario'' while in the same scenario you won't admit that fats are bad for you too. And this scenario is let's say todays average Joe's diet.
your reading comprehension could use some work.

the very -reason- i first queried the OP is that i was worried about what kinds of fats and how much of them i was eating.

and if you had read my post about what my typical diet is like, it's pretty obvious that it's not particularly fat-based or fat-championing.

so yeah, you are obviously confusing me with someone else... probably someone you more typically argue with. i can virtually see the wheels churning in your head, straining to ignore what you don't like or turn it in to something that it's not in order to maintain your ego and your sketchy understanding about all this stuff.

but the good news is that you'll always have a home on ISH. :cheers:

[gigantes]

Good tip to keep on track is always having healthy snacks ready.
nice setup! my kitchen is like a shoe box, yet i still manage to make big productions like pizza every once in a while.

but yeah, i agree... i keep a lot of snacking veggies and stuff handy, plus easy to make stuff like healthy popcorn, etc.

[Im Still Ballin]

From what the research seems to indicate (From what I've seen anyways)

Plant based vegan diets are best for reducing all-cause mortality, especially cardiovascular diseases, helping arterial health

[Im Still Ballin]

That said, I'd never eat a vegan diet for the ethical principles

I'm not that delusional or empathetic

I've also heard that Fish is a better meat, so perhaps a plant-based diet with some fish

I'm not sure what the consensus is on eggs...

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

If ones only goal is to retain muscle mass and lose fat then paleo is the way to go

But eating rice and bread has always made two very important parts of the body work optimally. Something excessive fat screws up in the long run. Look up the peak testosterone and Mediterranean diet for further studies. It's no wonder that grain and veg compose staples of many ancient civilizations with rich intelligent citizens

[fiddy]

Good tip to keep on track is always having healthy snacks ready. Here's a week worth of cooked chicken breast meatballs, added some garlic and italian herbs.


Do you keep those frozen afterwards?

[BigNBAfan]

Do you keep those frozen afterwards?

Yes put them under a broiler for a few minutes and they're good to go. It's just like prepackaged cooked frozen meatballs you buy at the store

[gigantes]

That said, I'd never eat a vegan diet for the ethical principles

I'm not that delusional or empathetic

I've also heard that Fish is a better meat, so perhaps a plant-based diet with some fish

I'm not sure what the consensus is on eggs...
i'm not sure there is one, but with recent studies suggesting that the dangers of serum cholesterol and sat fat have been overemphasized, poultry eggs seem to be on the rebound as a healthy food.

it was already a consensus that they're arguably the highest-quality protein one can eat, the concern for awhile was that they might be bad for cardio health, etc.

[shlver]

thanks much for the breakdown!


ah, google translate came up with "corby" and i just ran with it. :P


a typical meal for me is a spicy legume-veggie stew, guacamole with pico de gallo, or salad with egg / salmon. i snack on stuff like carrots, radishes, nuts, berries in season. and ramen / rice noodles with veggies (see below).

i don't eat enough fruit in general, but i have plans to get a vitamix blender so i don't have to waste the pulp as an average juicer does.

i sometimes add whole grains to my stews, like quinoa or wild & brown rice. but i have a weakness for noodles. i'm going to try substituting spaghetti squash noodles and see how that works. i'm also curious about trying shirataki noodles, as they're zero-cal, made from yams, and indigestible.

biggest problem for me is alcohol-- i like to drink after a workout, and that happens about three times a week. usually about 3-4 mixed drinks. i'm trying to cut down, but alcohol is devilish in temporarily relieving various health issues, plus some social phobia.

what's your diet like, if i may ask.
Not strict or very healthy at all. For breakfast, most days it's usually yogurt mixed with nuts and chia seeds, lunch is usually whatever I'm craving at the hospital cafeteria and lately, dinner has been eating out at various restaurants as I don't really have the motivation to prepare my own food after 12-14 hour work days. Physically, I'm pretty fit as I started a 3 day split and run 1.5 miles on my off days to keep in shape for my Navy PFT's.

[gigantes]

Not strict or very healthy at all. For breakfast, most days it's usually yogurt mixed with nuts and chia seeds, lunch is usually whatever I'm craving at the hospital cafeteria and lately, dinner has been eating out at various restaurants as I don't really have the motivation to prepare my own food after 12-14 hour work days. Physically, I'm pretty fit as I started a 3 day split and run 1.5 miles on my off days to keep in shape for my Navy PFT's.
ah, pretty much every family member or friend in medical residence i've known has eaten similarly.

if i had gone in to medical as i wanted to as a kid, then i'm quite sure i would have turned in to a blimp... or moonlighted as a sexual maniac, a jewel thief, a high stakes gambler, or whatever. seriously, a human being needs some relief at the end of a 48-hr shift or whatnot.

[highwhey]

Good tip to keep on track is always having healthy snacks ready. Here's a week worth of cooked chicken breast meatballs, added some garlic and italian herbs.

http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/05/01/572573529374b.jpg
Nice what do you eat the meatballs with?

[sd3035]

makes sense, fatties are usually quite dumb

[Blue&Orange]

Carbs cause diabetes, cancer, inflammation of the digestive tract, dysbiosis, and obesity.

A clean paleo diet is the healthiest diet on the planet. OP wants any reason to justify his oreo addiction.

"fats starve teh brain!"

:rolleyes:
First, paleo diet is for idiots. Second, why all lebrontards are Paleo fans?

option 1 Lebrontards on this forum are all paleo lovers.
option 2 lebrontards on this forum are all just one sad pathetic loser.

Paleo diet is high on omega 6, high omega6 to omega3 ratio is one of the biggest causes of bad health, when confronted with this fact, snake oil paleo profiteers respond with "just take some omega3 pills"... right because omega3 pills were wide available to the paleolithic man. :roll:

Carbs are bad? I think you should be following ketogenic diet and not paleo diet. oh and carbs are essential to testosterone. So yeah cut those carbs down :rolleyes:


About the OP, it's 2016, only ignorants think fat is bad and eating fat makes you fat. Omega3 is basically saturated fat, cocunot oil this new superfood, is 98% saturated fat.

When people say high fat diet is bad, high carbs diet is bad, guess what high diet of everything is bad, you think high vegies diet is good? :lol Ever heard of anti-nutrients? keep up with those kale smoothies and good luck with your health.


Nutritionist are hacks, those people know jack shit.


Want to have health? Want to live longer. Cut down calories!! Eat everything, it doesn't matter, carbs, fat, everything is good for your body if in moderation, just cut down calories.

http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/junk-food-diet-jeff-wilser

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