Where would _ilts post game rank in the 90s or 00s?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

IMO top 75 in the 00s still better than Fright
top 100 barely in the 90s tho

[Nick Young]

He'd basically be DeAndre Jordan with less hops.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He'd basically be DeAndre Jordan with less hops.
his footwork and ballhandling in the post are Deandre levels for sure:lol :lol

[LAZERUSS]

40 ppg on a .600 FG%.

[PHILA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3KfhYRtG4

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

40 ppg on a .600 FG%.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

he wouldnt have success in the post. Hed be a play finisher and work offball and off alleys and drop ins and offensive boards:lol

[PHILA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kWFTGzJJ_g

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

he wouldnt have success in the post. Hed be a play finisher and work offball and off alleys and drop ins and offensive boards:lol

40 ppg on a .600 FG%.

Easily.

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ



IMO top 75 in the 00s still better than Fright
top 100 barely in the 90s tho

:roll: :roll: :roll:

where is air federer he needs to come in and finish this thread :roll:

[Lebronxrings]

ryan hollins

[LAZERUSS]

This...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

x's 2...

and this...Shaq...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

with an additional 5 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 bpg, and on about a .700 FG%...

[kamil]

40 ppg on a .600 FG%.

Easily.

https://confessionsofasomedaysomebody.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/nfbrrii.gif

[LAZERUSS]

https://confessionsofasomedaysomebody.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/nfbrrii.gif

she must be looking at your genitals.

[T_L_P]

'With a fadeaway like Dirk Nowitzki' :roll:

[Spurs5Rings2014]

This...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

x's 2...

and this...Shaq...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

with an additional 5 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 bpg, and on about a .700 FG%...

So he would average 43/22/8 on 70% FG? Have you even watched basketball since Ilt played?

:biggums:

[LAZERUSS]

So he would average 43/22/8 on 70% FG? Have you even watched basketball since Ilt played?

:biggums:

Of course...and I watched a prime Shaq having his way with a worthless Smits (and Davis) in the '00 Finals...the same "quality" centers that Chamberlain used to score 60+ on in his era.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Of course...and I watched a prime Shaq having his way with a worthless Smits (and Davis) in the '00 Finals...the same "quality" centers that Chamberlain used to score 60+ on in his era.

Ilt isn't comparable to Shaq, though. Skill wise, he's much close to DJ than MDE.

:confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

Ilt isn't comparable to Shaq, though. Skill wise, he's much close to DJ than MDE.

:confusedshrug:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lord Chamberlain was not only more skilled than Shaq..(much more skilled BTW)...but taller, longer, faster, more athletic, and considerably stronger.

[Uncle Drew]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lord Chamberlain was not only more skilled than Shaq..(much more skilled BTW)...but taller, longer, faster, more athletic, and considerably stronger.
Yet only 2/6. How?

[Uncle Drew]

A player more skilled than Shaq, taller than Shaq, longer than Shaq, faster than Shaq, more athletic than Shaq, stronger than Shaq, got swept by a 38-41 team in the playoffs.

[Uncle Drew]

A player more skilled than Shaq, taller than Shaq, longer than Shaq, faster than Shaq, more athletic than Shaq, stronger than Shaq, got intimidated by Willis Reed playing on one foot.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, just how tall was Shaq? We know that Wilt was over 7-1. But, supposedly Shaq claimed on the Howard Stern show that he was really on 6-11.

[Uncle Drew]

A player more skilled than Shaq, taller than Shaq, longer than Shaq, faster than Shaq, more athletic than Shaq, stronger than Shaq, asked his coach to sub him out in a game 7 of the finals, with about ~3 minutes to go.

[LAZERUSS]

A player more skilled than Shaq, taller than Shaq, longer than Shaq, faster than Shaq, more athletic than Shaq, stronger than Shaq, got intimidated by Willis Reed playing on one foot.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

A Wilt, only four months removed from major knee surgery, was so "intimidated" by Reed, that he could only outscore him, 21-4, outrebound him, 24-3, and outshoot him, 10-16 to 2-5.

BTW, a pre-injury Chamberlain ROUTINELY DESTROYED Reed.

[Uncle Drew]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

A Wilt, only four months removed from major knee surgery, was so "intimidated" by Reed, that he could only outscore him, 21-4, outrebound him, 24-3, and outshoot him, 10-16 to 2-5.
Yet, he lost.

*crickets*

[Uncle Drew]

BTW, a pre-injury Chamberlain ROUTINELY DESTROYED Reed.
Yet, Willis Reed beat him every time they met in the finals.

*crickets*

[LAZERUSS]

A player more skilled than Shaq, taller than Shaq, longer than Shaq, faster than Shaq, more athletic than Shaq, stronger than Shaq, asked his coach to sub him out in a game 7 of the finals, with about ~3 minutes to go.

Of course, and as always...ZERO RESEARCH.

An injured Wilt...yes even his COACH said as much...asked to go BACK IN with 3 minutes remaining. The idiotic coach refused, the Lakers lost the game by two points, and the coach was essentially fired right after the game. His coaching career would basically be done, while Chamberlain would lead the Lakers to their first ever title in Los Angeles a couple of years later.

[Uncle Drew]

6'9'' 235 lbs Willis Reed had Wilt Chamberlain shook.

[LAZERUSS]

Yet, Willis Reed beat him every time they met in the finals.

*crickets*

Reed never came close to beating Wilt. However, his HOF-stacked rosters beat Wilt's team's twice. Both of them post-injury Wilt.

BTW, a prime Chamberlain shelled Reed and his Knicks in the '68 playoffs. Wilt led both teams in scoring, rebounding, assists, and FG% in that series win.

[Uncle Drew]

asked to go BACK IN with 3 minutes remaining. The idiotic coach refused
Of course, the Lakers made a run without Wilt. Great coaching I'd say.

[LAZERUSS]

6'9'' 235 lbs Willis Reed had Wilt Chamberlain shook.

Almost as bad as the 6-7 Ben Wallace wiping the floor with a near-peak Shaq in the '04 Finals, right?

[Uncle Drew]

Reed never came close to beating Wilt.
1970 and 1973 disagree.

[Uncle Drew]

Almost as bad as the 6-7 Ben Wallace wiping the floor with a near-peak Shaq in the '04 Finals, right?
22/13 on 60% isn't that bad. That'd be 66/39 in Wilt's era, tbh.

[Uncle Drew]

Almost as bad as the 6-7 Ben Wallace wiping the floor with a near-peak Shaq in the '04 Finals, right?
Near peak he said. :oldlol: Shaq peaked in 2000, that's four years off. Your Alzheimer's is getting to you.

[LAZERUSS]

Near peak he said. :oldlol: Shaq peaked in 2000, that's four years off. Your Alzheimer's is getting to you.

Shaq was near his peak in '04. Wilt was in mid-30's in '70, and coming off of a major knee injury.

BTW, Shaq was badly outrebounded by the 6-7 Wallace in the '04 Finals, and was crushed by the 6-8 Rodman in the '96 EDF's.

[Uncle Drew]

Shaq was near his peak in '04.
Peak: 2000
Finals: 2004

He was near his peak guys!!!

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Uncle Drew wiping his ass with Laz here like Willis Reed did Ilt in the early 70's.

:lol

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, a prime Chamberlain had a season, covering 12 H2H games, in which he outscored Reed by a 39 ppg to 22 ppg margin...all while slaughtering him in rebounding, and FG%. Included were beatdowns by margins of 46-25, 41-9, 52-23, and 58-28.

And in their two '69 season H2H's, Wilt outscored Reed by a 28.0 ppg to 20.0 ppg margin, outrebounded him by a 22.0 rpg to 9.5 rpg margin...and outshot him from the floor by a .688 to .459 margin.

[Uncle Drew]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads9/57252042f1021/57252042e5590-297.png

[Uncle Drew]

My paint skills are the absolute best. They call me the Wilt van Gogh.

[sd3035]

He'd be a less athletic Javale McGee

[LAZERUSS]

Of course, the Lakers made a run without Wilt. Great coaching I'd say.

Actually...NO.

When Wilt came out the Lakers had cut a 17 point deficit down to 7, or 10 points, in a span of four minutes. They would only cut 5 more off in the last five minutes....all with Wilt on the bench.

Horrific coaching...the entire series...and the result...the coach quit before he was about to be fired, and his coaching career was essentially over.

[Uncle Drew]

Actually...NO.

When Wilt came out the Lakers had cut a 17 point deficit down to 7, or 10 points, in a span of four minutes. They would only cut 5 more off in the last five minutes....all with Wilt on the bench.

Horrific coaching...the entire series...and the result...the coach quit before he was about to be fired, and his coaching career was essentially over.
So when Wilt played, they trailed by 17. When Wilt didn't play, because he faked an injury, the Lakers cut the lead to 2. Noted. Thank you for your insights.

[sportjames23]

So he would average 43/22/8 on 70% FG? Have you even watched basketball since Ilt played?

:biggums:

:oldlol:

[sportjames23]

So when Wilt played, they trailed by 17. When Wilt didn't play, because he faked an injury, the Lakers cut the lead to 2. Noted. Thank you for your insights.

Savage

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Ilt taking L's :lol :lol

[LAZERUSS]

1970 and 1973 disagree.

Same with Ostertag crushing Shaq in back-to-back playoff series, and by an 8-1 margin.

[Mr Feeny]

Ilt isn't comparable to Shaq, though. Skill wise, he's much close to DJ than MDE.

:confusedshrug:

Exactly. Don't insult Shaq by comparing an 18 ppg finals scorer to him. He's a modern day De Jordan. Marginal top 10 player in this league at best :lebronamazed:

[Mr Feeny]

Ilt taking L's :lol :lol

Always did, especially when it counts I. E. The finals:roll:

[3ball]

Wilt's post game would be #1 in any era.

But in the today's era, his ability would be mostly wasted because improved 3-point shooting league-wide has allowed drive-and-kick to surpass post-ups as the primary offensive option.

Specifically, now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. And btw, this mathematical reality proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.

[CAstill]

So many horrible and uninformed posters here. Prime Wilt in today's league would be prime Duncan in David Robinsons physique. He'd be top 3 in the league right now

[dreamwarrior]

I didn't know they had 240fps cameras back then

[deja vu]

So many horrible and uninformed posters here. Prime Wilt in today's league would be prime Duncan in David Robinsons physique. He'd be top 3 in the league right now
Lol Wilt was far less skilled than Duncan. They don't call Tim "Mr. Fundamentals" for nothing.

[LAZERUSS]

Lol Wilt was far less skilled than Duncan. They don't call Tim "Mr. Fundamentals" for nothing.

You are confusing Shaq with Wilt.

Shaq had no skills whatsoever. Unless of course, you want to bring up his eating habits.

[LAZERUSS]

The Shaq-Stopper...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=curryed01&p2=onealsh01

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq-Stopper II...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3BiOw4TWo

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq-Stopper III...

The great Greg Ostertag...

Career Playoff Record against a PEAK Shaq...

8-1.

Including this 4-1 series beatdown...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-western-conference-semifinals-lakers-vs-jazz.html

[Stringer Bell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ



So ugly to watch.

[LAZERUSS]

So ugly to watch.

That was Fecal9's "editing job" in two partial games of the 143 career H2H's between the two. Really laughable is the last sequence...like Chamberlain would be blindly chucking the ball from the corner. Of course, ...no context...the shot-clock was about to expire.

He also didn't include about HALF of Chamberlain's makes in those TWO partial games.

[LAZERUSS]

So ugly to watch.

Of course...two can play that game...

Shaq-Stopper IV...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BfIIwcfXQ

And speaking of Ugly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRC6TNOOMbY

[aj1987]

Shaq-Stopper II...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3BiOw4TWo
:roll: :roll:


Shaq-Stopper III...

The great Greg Ostertag...

Career Playoff Record against a PEAK Shaq...

8-1.

Including this 4-1 series beatdown...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-western-conference-semifinals-lakers-vs-jazz.html
Damn! If Greg was able to hold Shaq to Ilt's Finals numbers, I'd imagine that Chokerlain would probably average something like 12/6/2 and quit after the first couple of games.

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll:


Damn! If Greg was able to hold Shaq to Ilt's Finals numbers, I'd imagine that Chokerlain would probably average something like 12/6/2 and quit after the first couple of games.

Actually the complete opposite. RUSSELL would be holding Shaq to half of what Ostertag did.

Meanwhile Chamberlain would STILL be scoring against that clown Ostertag.

[deja vu]

You are confusing Shaq with Wilt.

Shaq had no skills whatsoever. Unless of course, you want to bring up his eating habits.
Shaq has the best footwork for a big man ever. But yeah no skills. :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq-Stopper V...

http://www.si.com/vault/2002/12/23/334678/his-own-worst-enemy-when-they-were-both-7-foot-phenoms-at-lsu-stanley-roberts-schooled-his-buddy-shaquille-oneal-why-then-was-roberts-such-a-bust-in-the-nba-and-why-does-everybody-still-love-him

The great Stanley Roberts...




When the 19-year-old Roberts met O'Neal down on the LSU practice court known as the Dungeon to face off for the first time, people scrambled to drag in chairs. Might play? The first time O'Neal got the ball, he slammed right over Roberts, and Roberts returned the favor. The next four possessions went like that: Two 7-foot, 290-pound mastodons colliding, Boom! Six times up and down the floor, six straight dunks. Onlookers howled, and teammates jawed at Roberts, "This is your house! Your house!"

Then, abruptly, Roberts switched gears. He took the ball on the wing, and as Shaq stood in the lane, waiting, never thinking to go guard him, Roberts lofted an 18-footer over his head and in. O'Neal was frozen--and, worse, exposed. It hit Roberts at once: You can't come out. I got you. O'Neal's feet were still heavy, awkward, size 22 to Roberts's 16. His game was all height and force. Roberts rained jumpers over O'Neal, and the few times Shaq dared to step out, Roberts cut around him and dunked. On the other end Roberts learned quickly how to time Shaq's jump hook and slap it away, how to shiver Shaq with a forearm to the chest at the foul line and halt his momentum before he got into the lane, how to frustrate him until he lost focus.

"When we played each other in the NBA, he was the only one who ever really slowed me down," O'Neal says of Roberts. "His game is just like mine: Big, funny, silly--but he can shoot. I can't."

[Dr Hawk]

Shaq has the best footwork for a big man ever. But yeah no skills. :roll:

http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/olajuwon-postup-shaq.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq has the best footwork for a big man ever. But yeah no skills. :roll:

Yep...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOevvTN53Y

[Horatio33]

Shaq-Stopper V...

http://www.si.com/vault/2002/12/23/334678/his-own-worst-enemy-when-they-were-both-7-foot-phenoms-at-lsu-stanley-roberts-schooled-his-buddy-shaquille-oneal-why-then-was-roberts-such-a-bust-in-the-nba-and-why-does-everybody-still-love-him

The great Stanley Roberts...

You're bringing a college scrimmage up?!?! Typical Wilt fan, has no ammo, so brings up a college scrimmage. How many rings and FMVPs does Stanley Roberts have again?

[Uncle Drew]

How many rings and FMVPs does Stanley Roberts have again?
Probably more than Wilt.

[aj1987]

Actually the complete opposite. RUSSELL would be holding Shaq to half of what Ostertag did.

Meanwhile Chamberlain would STILL be scoring against that clown Ostertag.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt and Russell would be in the D-League today, at best. Shaq would own the league so bad in the '60's, that they'd just stop playing and had over the MVP's, rings, and FMVP's to him. Not just due to the athleticism, but the horrible and utterly garbage defense they played back then on a consistent basis. Oh, and since Shaq would most likely be allowed to goal tend like Wilt and he's average ~20 blocks a night.

Since Shaq would be playing to win, his stats would be something like 40/25/10/20 on 80% shooting.

[LAZERUSS]

You're bringing a college scrimmage up?!?! Typical Wilt fan, has no ammo, so brings up a college scrimmage. How many rings and FMVPs does Stanley Roberts have again?

And yet... a better player than Shaq...and by Shaq's own admission.

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt and Russell would be in the D-League today, at best. Shaq would own the league so bad in the '60's, that they'd just stop playing and had over the MVP's, rings, and FMVP's to him. Not just due to the athleticism, but the horrible and utterly garbage defense they played back then on a consistent basis. Oh, and since Shaq would most likely be allowed to goal tend like Wilt and he's average ~20 blocks a night.

Since Shaq would be playing to win, his stats would be something like 40/25/10/20 on 80% shooting.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Shaq would either foul out in the first five minutes of every game...or never get a shot off because he was being whistled for palming.

And he wasn't HALF the ATHLETE that Wilt, nor Russell were.

He would have been a useless stumblebum selling popcorn in the seats.

[aj1987]

Shaq would either foul out in the first five minutes of every game...or never get a shot off because he was being whistled for palming.

And he wasn't HALF the ATHLETE that Wilt, nor Russell were.

He would have been a useless stumblebum selling popcorn in the seats.
And Wilt would be in the D-League AT BEST today. At least Shaq would still play in the '60's. :oldlol:

Chokerlain wouldn't even be considered a top 30 player, if he played today, with his EPIC chokes.\

As I said, his stats would be something like 40/25/10/20 on 80% shooting.

[LAZERUSS]

EPIC CHOKES?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

1-8 against OSTERTAG!!!!!

Got blown out 4-1 by the 6-7 Wallace!!!

Couldn't score in a sweeping loss when defended by the 6-8 Rodman!!!

Was SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career, and nearly EIGHT!!!

And was brutalized by the pizza-eating Eddy Curry in their 13 career matchups.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Thank god for Kobe and Wade...or he would have been ringless.

[Uncle Drew]

EPIC CHOKES?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

1-8 against OSTERTAG!!!!!

Got blown out 4-1 by the 6-7 Wallace!!!

Couldn't score in a sweeping loss when defended by the 6-8 Rodman!!!

Was SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career, and nearly EIGHT!!!

And was brutalized by the pizza-eating Eddy Curry in their 13 career matchups.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Thank god for Kobe and Wade...or he would have been ringless.
Shaq didn't have the luxury of playing with a ton of hall of famers.

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq didn't have the luxury of playing with a ton of hall of famers.

Nor against any teams that had FOUR to EIGHT of them, either.

[Uncle Drew]

Nor against any teams that had FOUR to EIGHT of them, either.
Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker :confusedshrug:

And what happened? Blown out in six games...including 110-82 in the clincher.

Chamberlain ROUTINELY battled HOF-laden rosters his entire career. Hell, in his last Finals, he went up against a NY team with SIX of them.

And don't get me started on the Celtics of the 60's...and with Wilt's "HOF" teammates being Guy "can't shoot" Rodgers, or Tom "I have no business being in the HOF" Gola; or a rookie Thurmond who played part-time and out of position; etc. etc.

[Uncle Drew]

And what happened? Blown out in six games.
Don't get me started on what results Wilt got against teams with hall of famers, because you know damn well you'd get crushed, just like Wilt. :roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

Wilt was a mix between David Robinson and Shaq

He'd average 30/15 in the 90's

Maybe a little lower but I could see him putting up that average in a prime ish year

Throw in 3-4 assists, 1 steal and 3-4 blocks

He would destroy in the 90's with the Illegal Defense rules protecting post players and bigmen

Throw in modern strength and conditioning, he'd be 290-310 pounds LEAN

He ticks all the boxes except free throw shooting

We know he's a willing and great facilitator (Lead the league in assists)

We know he had an absolutely deadly fadeaway which is known thanks to guys like Laz and Cavs that accumulate footage and archived writings

We know he can play great lockdown, above the rim shot blocking defense (As an old man he blocked a young Kareem's skyhook multiple times)

We know he can run all day, and very importantly, he can run the fastbreak like a guard... (Watch guys like Karl Malone just play fundamental basketball running hard on the break, going wide, getting EASY buckets)

Think of a bigger David Robinson... We know from his athletic background and basketball career he is just as mobile and athletic as D-Rob, some would argue more

We know how strong he is... I'd put high a little weaker than Shaq, but with Modern strength and conditioning, he'd have a good amount of extra muscle weight from that

We know his career lapped over with Kareem, who's career lapped over with Hakeem and Ewing. Laz has the stats on how Kareem in his last year dropped huge numbers on Hakeem

So logical; Old Wilt matches Young Kareem.... Old Kareem drops big numbers on Young Hakeem.

Not hard to figure it out

[aj1987]

EPIC CHOKES?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

1-8 against OSTERTAG!!!!!

Got blown out 4-1 by the 6-7 Wallace!!!

Couldn't score in a sweeping loss when defended by the 6-8 Rodman!!!

Was SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career, and nearly EIGHT!!!

And was brutalized by the pizza-eating Eddy Curry in their 13 career matchups.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Thank god for Kobe and Wade...or he would have been ringless.

Meltdown.

Wilt played with a shit ton of HOF'ers and still couldn't get shit down. 30-22-18. All that needs to be said. Put Shaq in Wilt's place and he's win every single season from '60-'73. 14 straight titles.

[Uncle Drew]

To be fair, Wilt didn't even need to play against a ton of hall of famers to get crushed, hence the Syracuse Nationals.

[LAZERUSS]

Don't get me started on what results Wilt got against teams with hall of famers, because you know damn well you'd get crushed. Just like Wilt. :roll:

Crushed? Like taking a 40-40 roster to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty, and with a 30-31 .555 FG% series?

Or taking a roster, the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, but now older and worse, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which he averaged 34-27?

Or, when he finally had a roster that was close to Russell's, in '67, that he and his Sixers annihilated Russell and his eight-time defending champs...with a 22-32-10 .556 series?

A prime Chamberlain never had the luxury of facing a washed up Smits in his last season, or a never-was McCulloch, in his Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt was a mix between David Robinson and Shaq

He'd average 30/15 in the 90's

Maybe a little lower but I could see him putting up that average in a prime ish year

Throw in 3-4 assists, 1 steal and 3-4 blocks

He would destroy in the 90's with the Illegal Defense rules protecting post players and bigmen

Throw in modern strength and conditioning, he'd be 290-310 pounds LEAN

He ticks all the boxes except free throw shooting

We know he's a willing and great facilitator (Lead the league in assists)

We know he had an absolutely deadly fadeaway which is known thanks to guys like Laz and Cavs that accumulate footage and archived writings

We know he can play great lockdown, above the rim shot blocking defense (As an old man he blocked a young Kareem's skyhook multiple times)

We know he can run all day, and very importantly, he can run the fastbreak like a guard... (Watch guys like Karl Malone just play fundamental basketball running hard on the break, going wide, getting EASY buckets)

Think of a bigger David Robinson... We know from his athletic background and basketball career he is just as mobile and athletic as D-Rob, some would argue more

We know how strong he is... I'd put high a little weaker than Shaq, but with Modern strength and conditioning, he'd have a good amount of extra muscle weight from that

We know his career lapped over with Kareem, who's career lapped over with Hakeem and Ewing. Laz has the stats on how Kareem in his last year dropped huge numbers on Hakeem

So logical; Old Wilt matches Young Kareem.... Old Kareem drops big numbers on Young Hakeem.

Not hard to figure it out

:cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

To be fair, Wilt didn't even need to play against a ton of hall of famers to get crushed, hence the Syracuse Nationals.

With a 37-23 series...all while his teammates collectively shot .332 from the field in that series.

Of course, Wilt was battling that team with the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season.

[Uncle Drew]

Crushed? Like taking a 40-40 roster to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty, and with a 30-31 .555 FG% series?

Or taking a roster, the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, but now older and worse, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which he averaged 34-27?

Or, when he finally had a roster that was close to Russell's, in '67, that he and his Sixers annihilated Russell and his eight-time defending champs...with a 22-32-10 .556 series?

A prime Chamberlain never had the luxury of facing a washed up Smits in his last season, or a never-was McCulloch, in his Finals.So he lost all of them. Thanks for clarifying.

[Uncle Drew]

With a 37-23 series.
Swept by a 38-41 team. :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

So he lost all of them. Thanks for clarifying.

You obviously missed the '67 season in my post. Again, with a roster that was the EQUAL of Russell's.

[Im Still Ballin]

And as far as Wilt's drive and character

He's an old school well mannered, well spoken, old generation hard worker

He's the type of guy that'll squeeze just about every inch of potential out of himself

He's not like these new era guys that cloud their thoughts and never accept criticism and work on flaws... Dwight Howard for example

Wilt's the opposite. Old generation type.

[LAZERUSS]

John Wooden...(Page 247 of They Call Me Coach)

Had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[Uncle Drew]

John Wooden...(Page 247 of They Call Me Coach)

Had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.
Just more woulda, coulda, shoulda. :sleeping

Russell: 11
Wilt: 2

[LAZERUSS]

Just more woulda, coulda, shoulda. :sleeping

Russell: 11
Wilt: 2

All while being crushed by Chamberlain.

Of course, at least Wilt was "losing" to Russell, Kareem, and Reed...while Shaq was going 1-8 against Ostertag, 1-4 and 3-4 against Wallace...

and winning rings against Smits, McCulloch, and Dampier.

[Uncle Drew]

All while being crushed by Chamberlain.

Of course, at least Wilt was "losing" to Russell, Kareem, and Reed...while Shaq was going 1-8 against Ostertag, 1-4 and 3-4 against Wallace...

and winning rings against Smits, McCulloch, and Dampier.
Shaq: 4
Wilt: 2

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq: 4
Wilt: 2

Kobe carried Shaq in the WCF's in two of those, and obviously Wade carried Shaq completely in another one.

Of course, Wilt never had the luxury of facing a washed up Smits, or a never-was McCulloch, or a complete bust Dampier in any of his Finals, either.

[Uncle Drew]

Kobe carried Shaq in the WCF's in two of those, and obviously Wade carried Shaq completely in another one.

Of course, Wilt never had the luxury of facing a washed up Smits, or a never-was McCulloch, or a complete bust Dampier in any of his Finals, either.
Boiled down:
Shaq - 4, Wilt - 2.

End of discussion.

[LAZERUSS]

Boiled down:
Shaq - 4, Wilt - 2.

End of discussion.

Boiled down...

Wilt >>> Shaq.

End of discussion.

[Uncle Drew]

Boiled down...

Wilt >>> Shaq.

End of discussion.
4 > 2 last time I checked.

[LAZERUSS]

4 > 2 last time I checked.

So you have Kobe ranked ahead of Shaq, then, right?

[Asukal]

My gad! ILt doesn't even pass the eye test.... :facepalm

If he wasn't 7 foot tall he'd never make today's league. Those post moves are fvcking terrible, it's like watching CavsFTL. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[deja vu]

Damn Cuckeruss getting owned in every thread. :roll:

[Stringer Bell]

Of course...two can play that game...

Shaq-Stopper IV...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BfIIwcfXQ

And speaking of Ugly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRC6TNOOMbY

Shaq's shooting form, particularly when shooting free throws, is just ugly to watch.

Jeff Ross to Shaq at the Emmitt Smith roast: "Shaq, watching you play is like watching two retards ****".

Overall I liked watching him much more in his earlier, skinnier days with the Magic. Ewing' game was uglier. That slow-motion, runner down the lane was god-awful to watch.

[Marchesk]

Wilt led the league:

Scoring: 7 times
Rebounding: 11 times
FG%: 9 times
Shot Blocking: Unfortunately, we don't know but probably at least half the time
Assists: One time (total)

Shaq:

Scoring: 2 times
Rebounding: 0 times
FG%: 10 times
Shot Blocking: 0 times
Assists: Yeah right

Boiled down:

Wilt 28 - Shaq 12

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt led the league:

Scoring: 7 times
Rebounding: 11 times
FG%: 9 times
Shot Blocking: Unfortunately, we don't know but probably at least half the time
Assists: One time (total)

Shaq:

Scoring: 2 times
Rebounding: 0 times
FG%: 10 times
Shot Blocking: 0 times
Assists: Yeah right

Boiled down:

Wilt 28 - Shaq 12

Wilt was literally better at EVERY facet of the game. A better scorer, rebounder, passer, defender, shot-blocker, and at his peak, much more efficient.

Not to mention...better range, more moves, ...stronger, taller, longer, faster, more athletic, and better stamina.. The only area in which Shaq had an "edge"...weight. But then again, being fatter was not an advantage.

[Asukal]

Wilt led the league:

Scoring: 7 times
Rebounding: 11 times
FG%: 9 times
Shot Blocking: Unfortunately, we don't know but probably at least half the time
Assists: One time (total)

Shaq:

Scoring: 2 times
Rebounding: 0 times
FG%: 10 times
Shot Blocking: 0 times
Assists: Yeah right

Boiled down:

Wilt 28 - Shaq 12

ILt played in a bush league, he said so himself. Inflated stats. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

ILt played in a bush league, he said so himself. Inflated stats. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

Too bad he didn't get to play against a washed up Smits, a never-was McCulloch, and a complete bust Dampier in three of his Finals.


And can you imagine the records Chamberlain would own today if he had been allowed to play like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

:roll: :roll: :roll:

They would have been carrying seven-footers out in bodybags.


And find me b2b playoff series in which Chamberlain went 1-8 against a center like Ostertag.

[Asukal]

Too bad he didn't get to play against a washed up Smits, a never-was McCulloch, and a complete bust Dampier in three of his Finals.


And can you imagine the records Chamberlain would own today if he had been allowed to play like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

:roll: :roll: :roll:

They would have been carrying seven-footers out in bodybags.


And find me b2b playoff series in which Chamberlain went 1-8 against a center like Ostertag.

Well we all saw what he did against an injured reed in game 7 of the finals. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Well we all saw what he did against an injured reed in game 7 of the finals. :oldlol: :roll: :lol

Yep...

outscored him, 21-4; outrebounded him, 24-3, and outshot him from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5.

Of course, that was a Wilt who was only four months removed from major knee surgery, and who was nowhere near 100%. In fact, medical opinion at the time had him missing that entire season, and considering that he weighed around 300 lbs at the time...perhaps as much as career-ending.

[Asukal]

Yep...

outscored him, 21-4; outrebounded him, 24-3, and outshot him from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5.

Of course, that was a Wilt who was only four months removed from major knee surgery, and who was nowhere near 100%. In fact, medical opinion at the time had him missing that entire season, and considering that he weighed around 300 lbs at the time...perhaps as much as career-ending.

You forgot to mention he sat out the final minutes of the game when they needed him most. And at the very start of the game reed is already injured, he could barely move wasn't fit to play at all and ILt couldn't dominate the game to seal the title. ILt was cleared to play, Reed was injured during the very start of the game let that sink in for a moment...... heck ILt dominated game 6, so much for being 4 months removed from surgery. :whatever::oldlol: :lol :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

You forgot to mention he sat out the final minutes of the game when they needed him most. And at the very start of the game reed is already injured, he could barely move wasn't fit to play at all and ILt couldn't dominate the game to seal the title. ILt was cleared to play, Reed was injured during the very start of the game let that sink in for a moment...... heck WILt dominated game 6, so much for being 4 months removed from surgery. :whatever::oldlol: :lol :roll:

Yep...a Chamberlain was EXPECTED to put up a 45-27 game EVERY TIME he stepped on the floor, right?

Interesting...a HEALTHY Jordan followed up his 63 point playoff game with a 19 point game...in a blowout sweeping loss.

A PEAK HEALTHY Kareem followed up his 34 point game six, with a 26 point game seven, and was outscored and outrebounded by Cowens...in a blowout loss on his home floor.

A PEAK Kobe followed up his 50 point game six, with a game seven of 24 points, in a 31 point loss.

A PRIME Shaq followed up his 36 point game four, with a 20 point game five...in a blowout and stunning upset loss in the '04 Finals.

How come? How come these guys didn't put up their best ever games, all the time...especially considering that they were all HEALTHY?

[Asukal]

Yep...a Chamberlain was EXPECTED to put up a 45-27 game EVERY TIME he stepped on the floor, right?

Interesting...a HEALTHY Jordan followed up his 63 point playoff game with a 19 point game...in a blowout sweeping loss.

A PEAK HEALTHY Kareem followed up his 34 point game six, with a 26 point game seven, and was outscored and outrebounded by Cowens...in a blowout loss on his home floor.

A PEAK Kobe followed up his 50 point game six, with a game seven of 24 points, in a 31 point loss.

A PRIME Shaq followed up his 36 point game four, with a 20 point game five...in a blowout and stunning upset loss in the '04 Finals.

How come? How come these guys didn't put up their best ever games, all the time...especially considering that they were all HEALTHY?

Those guys didn't lose more than they won in the finals. Here hold this
L
:oldlol: :lol :banana: :roll: :hammerhead:

[Relinquish]

To be fair, outside of the first clip, Wilt looked great.