EFFICIENCY - MJ vs. Lebron

[3ball]

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................................................PL AYOFFS

............... Pts-Per-Shot.... Pts-Per-Possession (ORtg).... True Shooting

JORDAN.......... 1.3..........................118.................. ............ 56.8%
LEBRON.......... 1.3..........................114.................. ............ 56.5%



Jordan's efficiency advantage is significant when you consider that Jordan scores 5 ppg more than Lebron (20% more).

Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge is worth more than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (Jordan has lower turnovers) and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan got more offensive rebounds per game).

Both guys led their team in scoring, but Jordan led his team in scoring by a far wider margin - Jordan CARRIED his team's scoring load, while also leading his team in passing like Lebron (Jordan led Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49)).
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[Jameerthefear]

Lebron > Jordan
Curry > Jordan

[3ball]

Curry > Jordan


Jordan simply DID MORE than Curry - he was involved in MORE POSSESSIONS for his team (usage), while producing more PER-possession (ORtg):



1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% usage.. 125 ORtg




Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg






Curry is better on offense because he's more efficient


Curry is more efficient on a per SHOT basis.

However, Jordan was more efficient on a per POSSESSION basis (ortg), which is more important - his higher per possession efficiency was due primarily to lower turnovers, but also because his superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) efficiency partially offset Curry's 3-point efficiency.

Ultimately, Jordan simply DID MORE - he was involved in more possessions (usage) at higher per-possession efficiency (ORtg) - Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (efficiency).






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Curry spaces the floor


Jordan's spaces the floor more - when a dangerous rim attacker is on the floor, ALL defenders must cheat off their man (see isiah thomas above), which leaves 3-point shooters and other teammates more open than otherwise.. This is basketball 101.

Otoh, 3-point shooters only cause a single defender to hug them on the perimeter, which doesn't do shit BY ITSELF - it takes the entire Warrior team shooting 3-pointers TOGETHER to provide floor-spacing.

Essentially, 3-point shooters need teammates to help them space the floor, whereas a single rim attacker frees up teammates for open shots all by themselves, by forcing the entire defense to cheat off their man.
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[sd3035]

Curry's career TS% is higher than Jordan's single best season :applause: :applause: :applause:

[3ball]

Curry's career TS% is higher than Jordan's single best season


Curry is more efficient on a per SHOT basis.

However, Jordan was more efficient on a per POSSESSION basis (ortg), which is more important - his higher per possession efficiency was due primarily to lower turnovers, and also because his superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) efficiency partially offset Curry's 3-point efficiency.

Ultimately, Jordan simply DID MORE - he was involved in more possessions (usage) at higher per-possession efficiency (ORtg) - Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (efficiency).
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[Straight_Ballin]

Lebron > Jordan
Curry > Jordan

Go wash your beef curtains kid....starting to stink up the fvcking place.

[sportjames23]

Lebron > Jordan
Curry > Jordan

Pedophile in waiting with the weak ass trolling. :coleman:

[LAZERUSS]

Curry and Lebron have been considerably more efficient. No reason to even debate it.

Curry's efficiency this season has been off the charts.

[Jameerthefear]

Go wash your beef curtains kid....starting to stink up the fvcking place.
That's probably your rancid ass breath. Close your ****ing mouth or I'll put you in an earlier grave.

[3ball]

Lebron has been considerably more efficient.



...NBA.COM'S STATS ON
"MIDRANGE" EFFICIENCY
..(all shots inside 3-pt line but outside paint)



.......................Midrange Efficiency .


Lebron.. 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 36.4%.. 185/508
Lebron.. 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 36.8%.. 193/525
Lebron.. 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 38.8%.. 188/444
Lebron.. 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 44.6%.. 217/487
Lebron.. 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 42.3%.. 188/444
Lebron.. 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 43.2%.. 174/403
Lebron.. 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 38.5%.. 126/327
Lebron.. 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 37.0%.. 127/343
Lebron.. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.... 37.1%.. 96/259

M Jordan. 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 48.9%.. 588/1202
M Jordan. 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):.. 43.2%.. 476/1101

Westbrook 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201566/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season):. 36.9%.. 164/445
Westbrook 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201566/stats/shooting/):. 42.4%.. 129/304

D Wade.. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2548/stats/shooting/):... 36.4%.. 143/393

Derozan. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201942/stats/shooting/):... 37.5%.. 183/488

Butler. 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202710/stats/shooting/):....... 35.9%.. 113/315



Jordan's 1997 season ranks #1 on this list by a full 5 percentage points, and his volume is 3 times more than anyone else's.. His 1998 ranks 3rd on the list, despite playing through a severe finger injury where he couldn't straighten his finger.

Otoh, Lebron's midrange efficiency is below 40% for 10 of his 13 seasons, while his 3-point percentage is below 35% for 8 of 13 seasons.. The reality is that Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency for most of their careers, yet they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had well-documented (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) goat midrange efficiency, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gave him a similarly massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrook and company..

[3ball]

Lebron has been considerably more efficient.


................................................PL AYOFFS

............... Pts-Per-Shot.... Pts-Per-Possession (ORtg).... True Shooting

JORDAN.......... 1.3..........................118.................. ............ 56.8%
LEBRON.......... 1.3..........................114.................. ............ 56.5%



Jordan's efficiency advantage is significant when you consider that Jordan scores 5 ppg more than Lebron (20% more).

Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge is worth more than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (Jordan has lower turnovers) and 2.5 defensive rebound edge (Jordan got more offensive rebounds per game).

Both guys led their team in scoring, but Jordan led his team in scoring by a far wider margin - Jordan CARRIED his team's scoring load, while also leading his team in passing like Lebron (Jordan led Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49)).






Curry has been considerably more efficient.


Curry is more efficient on a per SHOT basis, but Jordan was more efficient on a per POSSESSION basis (ortg), which is more important.

Jordan's higher per possession efficiency was due primarily to lower turnovers, and also because his superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) efficiency partially offset Curry's 3-point efficiency.

Ultimately, Jordan simply DID MORE - he was involved in more possessions (usage) at higher per-possession efficiency (ORtg) - Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (efficiency)..