Wade passes Wilt in playoff scoring

[Mr Feeny]

D Wade has just passed Ilt Chamberlain in playoff scoring.

3608 points to Ilt's 3607 points.
Better scorer when it counts than chokerlain when it counts.

Wade and Ilt are now 17th and 18th on the all time playoff list for what it's worth:applause:

[sd3035]

Wade would have averaged 70 ppg in the 60s

[Nilocon165]

Big Daddy Wade:banana:

[Mr Feeny]

Ilt fans have been quiet?:biggums:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Ilt is such a bit ch

[sd3035]

Ilt was a scrawny gay dude who was taller than the midgets of his era

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Even with all Wades injuries he still surpassed _ilt:biggums: :biggums:
no wonder hes greater than _ilt all time and peaked higher:applause: :applause:

[DonDadda59]

GOAT Heat player. Build the statue already, Miami. :bowdown:

[SamuraiSWISH]

GOAT Heat player. Build the statue already, Miami. :bowdown:
Co sign

[sportjames23]

LAZERUSS avoiding this thread like the plague.

[LAZERUSS]

LAZERUSS avoiding this thread like the plague.

Get back to me when Wade has playoff runs of 35 ppg, 35 ppg, and 37 ppg.

Or playoff series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, 39 ppg, and 39 ppg.

Or playoff games of 50, 50, 53, and 56...the last three in "must win" games.

Or a "must win" Finals game of 45 points.

And finally...get back to me when Wade won an MVP, much less 4. Or even came in second.

Wade has NEVER even been considered even the second best player of his era, and there have been seasons in which he was distant after-thought.

Wade... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Get back to me when Wade has playoff runs of 35 ppg, 35 ppg, and 37 ppg.

Or playoff series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, 39 ppg, and 39 ppg.

Or playoff games of 50, 50, 53, and 56...the last three in "must win" games.

Or a "must win" Finals game of 45 points.

And finally...get back to me when Wade won an MVP, much less 4. Or even came in second.

Wade has NEVER even been considered even the second best player of his era, and there have been seasons in which he was distant after-thought.

Wade... :roll: :roll: :roll:

_ilt isnt the 2nd best player of his era either. Russell, Logo and Big O are all better. And Wade played in an era with more elite players anyways

[SpaceJam]

IN less playoff games too :eek: :eek:

[LAZERUSS]

_ilt isnt the 2nd best player of his era either. Russell, Logo and Big O are all better. And Wade played in an era with more elite players anyways

That's why Wilt held a 7-2 margin in First Team All-NBA's over Russell, and a 4-1 margin MVP edge over Oscar and a 4-0 edge over West.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

That's why Wilt held a 7-2 margin in First Team All-NBA's over Russell, and a 4-1 margin MVP edge over Oscar and a 4-0 edge over West.
they made their mark in the playoffs, not with single stats records but IMPACT, CONSISTENCY

[SpaceJam]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChY6FsgUkAAk0K3.jpg

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:applause: :applause: :applause:
18th :roll: SMH:roll: WTF happened _ILT:roll:

[LAZERUSS]

they made their mark in the playoffs, not with single stats records but IMPACT, CONSISTENCY

West won one ring in his career, and it was because of Wilt, who won the FMVP (in a Finals in which West shot .325 from the field.)
Oscar was carried to one ring by Kareem, and only went to two Finals.

Neither were nearly as dominant in the post-season as Chamberlain.

[Dresta]

Charlotte completely capitulating now lol

[Mr Feeny]

18th :roll: SMH:roll: WTF happened _ILT:roll:

Ilt can't hack it when it counts.

22 ppg in the playoffs. 18th on the all time list behind the likes of Pippen in terms of scoring.
:cry: :cry:

[LAZERUSS]

Ilt can't hack it when it counts.

22 ppg in the playoffs. 18th on the all time list behind the likes of Pippen in terms of scoring.
:cry: :cry:

And yet, the GOAT post-season rebounder (Sorry, he outrebounded Russell in ALL post-season H2H's), and was the most dominant post-season scorer in the league in his "scoring" seasons. In fact, only MJ, West, and Baylor were a greater peak playoff scorers.

Wade? WAY down that list.

[Milbuck]

I am actually a believer that Wilt would kill it in any era, but I never understood why Wilt stans bring up his ppgzzz stats like they apply today whatsoever.

OMG DUDE AVERAGED 35 PPG IN A PLAYOFF RUN

Cool story, Lebron did that shit in a year when his team had 68% as many possessions as Wilt's.

I mean the Warriors in Wilt's '62 season had a pace of freaking 131.1, no shit the guy was going to put up massive scoring numbers.

[Mr Feeny]

And yet, the GOAT post-season rebounder (Sorry, he outrebounded Russell in ALL post-season H2H's), and was the most dominant post-season scorer in the league in his "scoring" seasons. In fact, only MJ, West, and Baylor were a greater peak playoff scorers.

Wade? WAY down that list.

And yet Ilt is only a 22 ppg playoff scorer and 18th all time :lebronamazed:

Pippen & Wade > as scorers when the stakes are high:lol

Ilt gonna Ilt :lol

[LAZERUSS]

I am actually a believer that Wilt would kill it in any era, but I never understood why Wilt stans bring up his ppgzzz stats like they apply today whatsoever.

OMG DUDE AVERAGED 35 PPG IN A PLAYOFF RUN

Cool story, Lebron did that shit in a year when his team had 68% as many possessions as Wilt's.

I mean the Warriors in Wilt's '62 season had a pace of f*cking 131.1, no shit the guy was going to put up massive scoring numbers.

And that's not even taking into account the massive difference in competing talent level from then to now. After guys like Russell, Oscar, West, etc the collective talent pool was garbage compared to recent decades.

Of course, scoring is not based on possessions, but rather by FGAs and FTAs. Furthermore, Wilt's era shot considerably lower from the floor...and yes defense and packed lanes were huge reasons...otherwise KAJ wouldn't have shot .456 in his career match-ups with Thurmond, and .464 in his career match-ups with Wilt...and then .607 against Hakeem and .567 against Ewing.

So, let's use Chamberlain's '64 Finals, as an example. Averaged 29 ppg on 24 FGAs, on a .517 FG% in a post-season that shot .420 (and about .395 in that Finals.)

How about Hakeem's '95 Finals? 33 ppg on 29 FGAs, on a .488 eFG%, in a post-season that shot an eFG% of .508.

Give Wilt 29 FGAs in '95, and instead of shooting .517 in a post season that shot .420...he would now be shooting .625...or...about 40 ppg.

[FKAri]

Ade passes Ilt? How far behind Ordan is he now?

[GrapeApe]

He'll be top 15 after the next series. 3rd greatest SG ever and one of the top playoff scorers ever. True legend.

:applause: :bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

He'll be top 15 after the next series. 3rd greatest SG ever and one of the top playoff scorers ever. True legend.

:applause: :bowdown:

:applause:

[Psileas]

In an era with 4 playoff rounds compared to 3 (or even 2) for Wilt? Sorry, not impressed.
Wade's total playoff points count after eliminating rounds that didn't exist in Wilt's era: 2329. And this doesn't even take into account that certain rounds in Wilt's era were best of 5 or even best of 3 rounds. Wade isn't even close to matching Wilt as a playoff scorer, let alone as a playoff performer.

[GrapeApe]

In an era with 4 playoff rounds compared to 3 (or even 2) for Wilt? Sorry, not impressed.
Wade's total playoff points count after eliminating rounds that didn't exist in Wilt's era: 2329. And this doesn't even take into account that certain rounds in Wilt's era were best of 5 or even best of 3 rounds. Wade isn't even close to matching Wilt as a playoff scorer, let alone as a playoff performer.

Short white guys. That's the appropriate response here, right?

In all seriousness though, nobody is saying Wade is better than Wilt. It's still a nice accomplishment though, and as I mentioned before, Wade will soon be a top 15 all time playoff scorer. That's impressive any way you slice it. Passing the Big Dipper was just an interesting tidbit.

[aj1987]

West won one ring in his career, and it was because of Wilt, who won the FMVP (in a Finals in which West shot .325 from the field.)
Oscar was carried to one ring by Kareem, and only went to two Finals.

Neither were nearly as dominant in the post-season as Chamberlain.
1969 NBA Finals:

West - 38 PPG
Elgin - 18 PPG
Johnny freaking Egan -15 PPG




Chokerlain - 12 PPG

:roll: :roll:

Wade played 1 fewer game as well. The GOAT scorer who can't score in the PO's. :roll: :roll:

[SwayDizzle]

He'll be top 15 after the next series. 3rd greatest SG ever and one of the top playoff scorers ever. True legend.

:applause: :bowdown:
:applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

1969 NBA Finals:

West - 38 PPG
Elgin - 18 PPG
Johnny freaking Egan -15 PPG




Chokerlain - 12 PPG

:roll: :roll:

Wade played 1 fewer game as well. The GOAT scorer who can't score in the PO's. :roll: :roll:

Wade's impact in the '14 Finals...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

ZERO.

Complete joke.

Was riding in the back of the bus in his '13 ring, as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306180MIA.html

Thank god for Ray Allen, or both Lebron and Wade would have one less ring.


Complete joke.

[aj1987]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown:
Kobe/Laker fans like you are awesome. :cheers: :cheers:


Wade's impact in the '14 Finals...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

ZERO.

Complete joke.

Was riding in the back of the bus in his '13 ring, as well.

Complete joke.
Still better than Chokerlain in the '69 Finals.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1969-nba-finals-celtics-vs-lakers.html

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe/Laker fans like you are awesome. :cheers: :cheers:


Still better than Chokerlain in the '69 Finals.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1969-nba-finals-celtics-vs-lakers.html

Hmmm

I don't see Wade grabbing 25 rpg. Or holding his opposing HOF peer to 9 ppg on a .397 FG%, either.

Or how scoring that same HOF peer 18-6, outrebounding him, 27-21, and outshooting him from the field by an .875 to .286 margin in a game seven, either.

Again...
no one has taken Wade seriously.

He has been considered a borderline Top-10 player in his own era for much of his career, and at his peak, only the 3rd best.

But thanks for playing...

[aj1987]

Hmmm

I don't see Wade grabbing 25 rpg. Or holding his opposing HOF peer to 9 ppg on a .397 FG%, either.

Or how scoring that same HOF peer 18-6, outrebounding him, 27-21, and outshooting him from the field by an .875 to .286 margin in a game seven, either.

Again...
no one has taken Wade seriously.

He has been considered a borderline Top-10 player in his own era for much of his career, and at his peak, only the 3rd best.

But thanks for playing...
Has Wade every lost a series with his teammates averaging 38/18/15 PPG?


25 RPG in the '60's = 10 RPG today. In short, Chokerlain averaged like 7/10/1 (converted stats).

Wade - 3068 in 159 games
Ilt - 3067 in 160 games

GOAT scorer doe.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

In an era with 4 playoff rounds compared to 3 (or even 2) for Wilt? Sorry, not impressed.
Wade's total playoff points count after eliminating rounds that didn't exist in Wilt's era: 2329. And this doesn't even take into account that certain rounds in Wilt's era were best of 5 or even best of 3 rounds. Wade isn't even close to matching Wilt as a playoff scorer, let alone as a playoff performer.

Or that a prime Wilt faced the Celtics in the first or second round, seven times in his post-season career. You know, a team that was the equivalent of the '08 Celtics...a total of EIGHT times. The '08 Celtics that reduced Lebron to a worthless shot-jacker.

Can you imagine Lebron's post-season numbers had he faced the '08 Celtics EIGHT times ...and seven of those in the first or second rounds?

Wait...we actually know the answer to that question...as he would when he faced them a second time the very next season...

Lebron would QUIT. He would fold his tent and go home.

[LAZERUSS]

Has Wade every lost a series with his teammates averaging 38/18/15 PPG?


25 RPG in the '60's = 10 RPG today. In short, Chokerlain averaged like 7/10/1 (converted stats).

Wade - 3068 in 159 games
Ilt - 3067 in 160 games

GOAT scorer doe.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

That's why the Lakers lost that series in '69...

their coach had West shooting the ball (as well as a Baylor who shot 2-14, 4-18, and 8-22 in three of their losses.)

BTW, here was that same coach on his offensive strategy...


"When we pass the ball into Wilt, he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch."

Of course, VBK was promptly fired right after that coaching debacle, and when Wilt's new coach came in, Joe Mullaney, he immediately had WILT take over at the offensive end. And, as always, Chamberlain did what his coaches asked, and was leading the league in scoring at 32.2 ppg, on a .579 FG% (to go along with 20.6 rpg), when he trashed his knee in the ninth game.

[aj1987]

That's why the Lakers lost that series in '69...

their coach had West shooting the ball (as well as a Baylor who shot 2-14, 4-18, and 8-22 in three of their losses.)
:roll: :roll:

Loozerus - Chokerlain lost because his teammates scored a shit ton of points.

G7. 2 points loss. Ilt? 4-13 from the FT line. West had 42 and Baylor had 20.


BTW, here was that same coach on his offensive strategy...

Of course, VBK was promptly fired right after that coaching debacle, and when Wilt's new coach came in, Joe Mullaney, he immediately had WILT take over at the offensive end. And, as always, Chamberlain did what his coaches asked, and was leading the league in scoring at 32.2 ppg, on a .579 FG% (to go along with 20.6 rpg), when he trashed his knee in the ninth game.
So basically his coach said Ilt's scoring was horrendous and was proven right?

Took them another 2 seasons and and another HOF'er to win the title with Chokerlain. His scoring in that series? 19 PPG. :roll:

Thanks to Gail, Chokerlain has 2 rings.

Choking career = confirmed.

[stalkerforlife]

Easily a top 20 player of all time.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade has more rings and more playoff points on one less game than Ilt.

Lazer is so ****ing mad right now :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :roll:

Loozerus - Chokerlain lost because his teammates scored a shit ton of points.

G7. 2 points loss. Ilt? 4-13 from the FT line. West had 42 and Baylor had 20.


So basically his coach said Ilt's scoring was horrendous and was proven right?

Took them another 2 seasons and and another HOF'er to win the title with Chokerlain. His scoring in that series? 19 PPG. :roll:

Thanks to Gail, Chokerlain has 2 rings.

Choking career = confirmed.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt's TS% in that game seven... .621.
West's....552
Baylor's ....426

And Russell's... .333



And thanks to Wilt...who dominated the Knicks in the Finals...Goodrich (and a worthless West) have their lone ring.

[LAZERUSS]

Wade has more rings and more playoff points on one less game than Ilt.

Lazer is so ****ing mad right now :roll:

Not mad at all.

Wade is considered a bus-rider in his post-season career, and overall, in his own era...a borderline Top-10 player. And basically a career loser without Lebron.

Chamberlain...well look in the NBA Record. He holds hundreds (actually THOUSANDS) of NBA records, including FAR more POST-SEASON records than Wade (or Lebron.)

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Wilt's TS% in that game seven... .621.
West's....552
Baylor's ....426

And Russell's... .333
18 points and 4-13 from the FT line in a 2 point loss. But... but... but TS doe... :facepalm




And thanks to Wilt...who dominated the Knicks in the Finals...Goodrich (and a worthless West) have their lone ring.
:roll:

Lucked out and won a ring with multiple HOF'ers after choking is ass off throughout his career.

PEAK Chokerlain at his peak choking:

Greer - 26 PPG
Walker - 23 PPG
Jones - 20 PPG
Cunningham - 20 PPG



Chokerlain - 18 PPG

A modern day Bosh with significantly worse scoring and defense.

[LAZERUSS]

18 points and 4-13 from the FT line in a 2 point loss. But... but... but TS doe... :facepalm




:roll:

Lucked out and won a ring with multiple HOF'ers after choking is ass off throughout his career.

How about this...

In that game seven, two point loss (and with Wilt benched in the last five minutes)...

Chamberlain shot .875 from the field, and Russell shot .286 from the field. Russell's TEAMMATES outshot Wilt's TEAMMATES by a .477 to .360 margin.

But, yes, blame Wilt (and not Wade in his horrific clinching game six performance in the '11 Finals, or his complete ineptitude at both ends of the floor in the '14 Finals.)

Again...Wade is a tiny speck of road-kill in Chamberlain's rear-view mirror.

[LAZERUSS]

18 points and 4-13 from the FT line in a 2 point loss. But... but... but TS doe... :facepalm




:roll:

Lucked out and won a ring with multiple HOF'ers after choking is ass off throughout his career.

PEAK Chokerlain at his peak choking:

Greer - 26 PPG
Walker - 23 PPG
Jones - 20 PPG
Cunningham - 20 PPG



Chokerlain - 18 PPG

A modern day Bosh with significantly worse scoring and defense.

Greer, Walker, and Jones were career LOSERS before Chamberlain arrived, and along with Cunningham, lost in the first round of the playoffs by a staggering margin the year after Wilt traded himself to LA.

None of them were ever close to a ring without Chamberlain.

Wade? Like Bosh...a career loser without Lechoke.

[aj1987]

How about this...

In that game seven, two point loss (and with Wilt benched in the last five minutes)...

Chamberlain shot .875 from the field, and Russell shot .286 from the field. Russell's TEAMMATES outshot Wilt's TEAMMATES by a .477 to .360 margin.

But, yes, blame Wilt (and not Wade in his horrific clinching game six performance in the '11 Finals, or his complete ineptitude at both ends of the floor in the '14 Finals.)
18 points and 4-13 in a 2 point loss.

Let that sink in.


Again...Chokerlain is a tiny speck of road-kill in Wade's rear-view mirror.

Agreed, Loozerus. :cheers:


Greer, Walker, and Jones were career LOSERS before Chamberlain arrived, and along with Cunningham, lost in the first round of the playoffs by a staggering margin the year after Wilt traded himself to LA.

None of them were ever close to a ring without Chamberlain.
Neither was Chokerlain, without them.


Wade? Like Bosh...a career loser without Lechoke.
Still a better win percentage than Chokerlain.

[LAZERUSS]

18 points and 4-13 in a 2 point loss.

Let that sink in.



Agreed, Loozerus. :cheers:


Neither was Chokerlain, without them.


Still a better win percentage than Chokerlain.

They were a 34-46 team the year before Wilt arrived. With Wilt, the best record in the league three straight years, and a dominating world title. Wilt was "traded" for three players, two of which would average a combined 36-20 in the first round, and along with a Cunningham's 24 ppg (who had missed the EDF's with an injury the before)...a blowout first round loss. And steadily worse, until by Wilt's last season in the league (on a 60-22 team that went to the Finals)...a 9-73 team.

Wade and Bosh without Lechoke...career losers. A better win percentage my ass.

[aj1987]

Wade and Bosh without Lechoke...career losers. A better win percentage my ass.
Wade without LeBron = 1/1

:roll: :roll:

Retard. Stick to mastrubating to Chokerlain pictures though.

Ilt = Bosh without the shooting, defense, and significantly worse scoring and playmaking.

[LAZERUSS]

Wade without LeBron = 1/1

:roll: :roll:

Retard. Stick to mastrubating to Chokerlain pictures though.

Ilt = Bosh without the shooting, defense, and significantly worse scoring and playmaking.

The world of aj...

where leading teams to records of 10-41 beats losing in a game seven of the Finals.

[Asukal]

The world of aj...

where leading teams to records of 10-41 beats losing in a game seven of the Finals.

When everyone is telling you, you are wrong, then you are definitely wrong. Go take your meds and go to bed before you get a heart attack gramps. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

When everyone is telling you, you are wrong, then you are definitely wrong. Go take your meds and go to bed before you get a heart attack gramps. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

You mean uneducated fools who know nothing of the game?

Wade is a player who will be forgotten in 10 years.

The Record Book will still be "The Wilt Book" 50 years from now.

[Asukal]

You mean uneducated fools who know nothing of the game?

Wade is a player who will be forgotten in 10 years.

The Record Book will still be "The Wilt Book" 50 years from now.

Hmmmm let me see.... the records show he was a b1tch in the playoffs. :oldlol: :lol :bowdown:

[Papaya Petee]

Not mad at all.

Wade is considered a bus-rider in his post-season career, and overall, in his own era...a borderline Top-10 player. And basically a career loser without Lebron.

Chamberlain...well look in the NBA Record. He holds hundreds (actually THOUSANDS) of NBA records, including FAR more POST-SEASON records than Wade (or Lebron.)
Thats strange because from 2005-2012 he was considered top 1-5 every season and arguably the best in 2006 and 2009.

Career loser without Lebron? His second year he led his team to a 59-23 record and if not for a freak injury he would of led his team to the finals.
Next season he wins a title and a FMVP on arguably GOAT playoff performance.
2011 if Lebron doesnt have the biggest chokejob of his life Wade wins another FMVP

You are so ****ing mad right now :roll: wilt sucks

[LAZERUSS]

Hmmmm let me see.... the records show he was a b1tch in the playoffs. :oldlol: :lol :bowdown:

Like entire playoff runs of 28 ppg, 29 ppg, 33 ppg, 35 ppg, 35 ppg, 37 ppg?
Or playoff series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, 39 ppg, and 39 ppg?

Playoff series against the GOAT defensive center, and GOAT Dynasty of 28 ppg, 29 ppg, 30 ppg, 31 ppg, and 34 ppg?

Or playoff games of 50, 50, 53, and 56...all wins, and the last three in "must win" games (one of them against Russell)?

Or badly outscoring, outrebounding, and outshooting a GOAT level peer in EVERY one of their EIGHT post-season H2H's?

13 consecutive post-seasons of 20+ rpg, including 25 rpg, 25 rpg, 26 rpg, 27 rpg, 29 rpg, and even 30 rpg?

Outrebounding Russell in every post-season, and by as much as 30-26, 31-25, and even 32-23 rpg?

Having the only four 30-20 post-seasons in NBA history? Or having nine 20-20 post-seasons? Or post-season series of 30-31, 31-27, 34-27, 37-23, 37-23, 39-23, and 39-23?

Of outrebounding his HOF centers in EVERY post-season H2H? And many by HUGE margins? Including all SIX of his Finals? Or outshooting his HOF peers in his six Finals by a collective margin of .559 to .439?

The list is endless, but you get the idea.

[LAZERUSS]

Thats strange because from 2005-2012 he was considered top 1-5 every season and arguably the best in 2006 and 2009.

Career loser without Lebron? His second year he led his team to a 59-23 record and if not for a freak injury he would of led his team to the finals.
Next season he wins a title and a FMVP on arguably GOAT playoff performance.
2011 if Lebron doesnt have the biggest chokejob of his life Wade wins another FMVP

You are so ****ing mad right now :roll: wilt sucks

From '05 to '12, and in the MVP balloting...Wade finished...

8th, 6th, 12th, nowhere to be found, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 10th.

Sorry, but at his peak...3rd. And that was for ONE season. After that...well, you can read hopefully.

[Wade's Rings]

In an era with 4 playoff rounds compared to 3 (or even 2) for Wilt? Sorry, not impressed.
Wade's total playoff points count after eliminating rounds that didn't exist in Wilt's era: 2329. And this doesn't even take into account that certain rounds in Wilt's era were best of 5 or even best of 3 rounds. Wade isn't even close to matching Wilt as a playoff scorer, let alone as a playoff performer.

Did you throw pace into the stats? Using his per 100 Possession numbers it totals up to 3,206 and he would end up passing Wilt either way unless he misses the Playoffs the rest of his Career. Wilt still played at a faster pace, his numbers need to be adjusted too.

[AceManIII]

Surprised Ilt is even 18th...

[Papaya Petee]

From '05 to '12, and in the MVP balloting...Wade finished...

8th, 6th, 12th, nowhere to be found, 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 10th.

Sorry, but at his peak...3rd. And that was for ONE season. After that...well, you can read hopefully.
Literally means nothing. Using MVP finishes to discredit Wade in 2006,2009,2010 and 2011 :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Literally means nothing. Using MVP finishes to discredit Wade in 2006,2009,2010 and 2011 :roll:

Means nothing alright.

Then why do they have it?

BTW, it was not as if he were even CLOSE, either. Other than the third...he was way down the list.

Now if you want to dispute TRUE MVPs, look no further than '62, and '64.

[deja vu]

Wade would have averaged 70 ppg in the 60s
No shit.

[deja vu]

I am actually a believer that Wilt would kill it in any era, but I never understood why Wilt stans bring up his ppgzzz stats like they apply today whatsoever.

OMG DUDE AVERAGED 35 PPG IN A PLAYOFF RUN

Cool story, Lebron did that shit in a year when his team had 68% as many possessions as Wilt's.

I mean the Warriors in Wilt's '62 season had a pace of freaking 131.1, no shit the guy was going to put up massive scoring numbers.
****ing this.

[ClipperRevival]

Damn, Wilt taking more L's. :hammertime:

[Dray n Klay]

Damn, Wilt taking more L's. :hammertime:

And Jordan took another one today

0-5 in the 1st round without Pippen

[aj1987]

The world of aj...

where leading teams to records of 10-41 beats losing in a game seven of the Finals.
2/7.

30

22

18

4-13 in a 2ot G7 loss.

Hold this L, Ilt stan.

[ballinhun8]

And Jordan took another one today

0-5 in the 1st round without Pippen


First round losses are better than Finals losses

[aj1987]

First round losses are better than Finals losses
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[WayOfWad3]

In an era with 4 playoff rounds compared to 3 (or even 2) for Wilt? Sorry, not impressed.
Wade's total playoff points count after eliminating rounds that didn't exist in Wilt's era: 2329. And this doesn't even take into account that certain rounds in Wilt's era were best of 5 or even best of 3 rounds. Wade isn't even close to matching Wilt as a playoff scorer, let alone as a playoff performer.
In spite of all that though, Wade still scored more points in one less game, that completely takes all problems with playoff rounds and games out of the equation, making them even. And Wade did it while missing the playoffs during two of his would-have-been athletic peak years.

[Dray n Klay]

In spite of all that though, Wade still scored more points in one less game, that completely takes all problems with playoff rounds and games out of the equation, making them even. And Wade did it while missing the playoffs during two of his would-have-been athletic peak years.


Which two years in his peak did Wade miss the playoffs

[WayOfWad3]

Which two years in his peak did Wade miss the playoffs
07' and 08' due to injuries. I guess he did make it in 07', my bad. Still sucked after getting hurt that year though. 08' was a sad year though

[Cold soul]

GOAT Heat player. Build the statue already, Miami. :bowdown:

Agreed. Wade is that dude. :bowdown:

[Duffy Pratt]

1969 NBA Finals:

West - 38 PPG
Elgin - 18 PPG
Johnny freaking Egan -15 PPG




Chokerlain - 12 PPG

:roll: :roll:

Wade played 1 fewer game as well. The GOAT scorer who can't score in the PO's. :roll: :roll:

He did it on 50% shooting. And got 25 rebounds per game. How many NBA teams today wish they had a big man who could choke like that?

[Dresta]

He did it on 50% shooting. And got 25 rebounds per game. How many NBA teams today wish they had a big man who could choke like that?
4-13 at the line. Sounds like Andre Drummond and a liability.

[LAZERUSS]

4-13 at the line. Sounds like Andre Drummond and a liability.

So, I guess a FT is worth double a FG then, right Einstein?

Wilt shot 7-8 from the FIELD in that game (to go along with 27 rebounds.)
His TS% was the HIGHEST in that game, at .621.

So, a dimwit like you would prefer Wilt to shoot 7-8 from the line, and 4-13 from the field, then, right?

Let's take a closer look at the TS% numbers in that game, shall we?

Chamberlain... .621 TS%.
West... .553
Baylor... .408
Counts (Wilt's "replacement")... .321

Russell... .333


What a complete idiot.

[LAZERUSS]

He did it on 50% shooting. And got 25 rebounds per game. How many NBA teams today wish they had a big man who could choke like that?

In the WORST post-season series of his career BTW.

Of course, look no further than the Idiotic COACH. He of the famous line... "When we pass the ball into Wilt, he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch."

So instead, he had Wilt playing the high post, and taking 9 FGAs per game...while having Baylor shoot .385 in the post-season.

It was amazing that the Lakers were able to overcome that clown's incompetence to nearly win that series. Had the Lakers had Byron Scott they would have waltzed to a title.

[SpaceJam]

He passed Elgin and Scottie recently too

TOP 15 club welcomes you D-Wade

[Mr Feeny]

4-13 at the line. Sounds like Andre Drummond and a liability.

:lebronamazed:


No surprise. We're talking about a guy who averages 18 ppg in finals. When the stakes are high, he's a scrub:lol

[SpaceJam]

:lebronamazed:


No surprise. We're talking about a guy who averages 18 ppg in finals. When the stakes are high, he's a scrub:lol

That ppg drop off

WILT :bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

That ppg drop off

WILT :bowdown:
:bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

:lebronamazed:


No surprise. We're talking about a guy who averages 18 ppg in finals. When the stakes are high, he's a scrub:lol

A scoring Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his post-season play, and 30 of those 52 games came against RUSSELL. BTW, Chamberlain averaged 31 ppg and shot .507 in those 30 games against Russell, as well. Remove Russell, and Wilt averaged 36 ppg in his 22 other playoff games. One can only imagine the numbers that a prime Chamberlain would have put up had he faced the Lakers in that decade...a team that he faced 86 times in the regular season in the 60's, and had 40 games of 40+, including 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and 2 of 70+.

And Chamberlain won two FMVPs (yes, he would have won a unanimous FMVP in '67 had the award existed)...with averages of 17.5 ppg and 19.0 ppg...in series in which he OVERWHELMED his opponents.

Of course, in his "must win" Finals games, and then adding his two clinching game wins...

26.8 ppg, 25.6 rpg, and on a staggering .631 FG%.

How about playoff "must win" games?

23 games.
31.1 ppg
26.4 rpg
.540 FG%

all while annihilating his HOF peer centers in those games.

Wilt = GOAT.

:bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

A scoring Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his post-season play, and 30 of those 52 games came against RUSSELL. BTW, Chamberlain averaged 31 ppg and shot .507 in those 30 games against Russell, as well. Remove Russell, and Wilt averaged 36 ppg in his 22 other playoff games. One can only imagine the numbers that a prime Chamberlain would have put up had he faced the Lakers in that decade...a team that he faced 86 times in the regular season in the 60's, and had 40 games of 40+, including 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and 2 of 70+.

And Chamberlain won two FMVPs (yes, he would have won a unanimous FMVP in '67 had the award existed)...with averages of 17.5 ppg and 19.0 ppg...in series in which he OVERWHELMED his opponents.

Of course, in his "must win" Finals games, and then adding his two clinching game wins...

26.8 ppg, 25.6 rpg, and on a staggering .631 FG%.

How about playoff "must win" games?

23 games.
31.1 ppg
26.4 rpg
.540 FG%

all while annihilating his HOF peer centers in those games.

Wilt = GOAT.

:bowdown:

And yet when you stakes are high, he chokes.

30.1 ppg regular season
22 ppg playoffs
18 ppg finals

:lebronamazed:
Rest assured that one the biggest stage, Ilt has a tendency to wet the bed:lol

[LAZERUSS]

And yet when you stakes are high, he chokes.

30.1 ppg regular season
22 ppg playoffs
18 ppg finals

:lebronamazed:
Rest assured that one the biggest stage, Ilt has a tendency to wet the bed:lol

Was FAR more dominant in his two Finals MVPs than Lebron was his. In fact, Lebron nearly choked away one of his...but was saved by Ray Allen. And losing a FMVP to a bench-warmer.

Lebron with so many Kobe-like Finals games. Must win Finals games of 10-30, 10-21, 11-26, and 13-33.

And in his ONE decent efficiency Finals....his team was blown out.

BTW, in his one series against an all-time great defensive team...the '08 Celtics... a .355 FG%.

[Mr Feeny]

Was FAR more dominant in his two Finals MVPs than Lebron was his. In fact, Lebron nearly choked away one of his...but was saved by Ray Allen. And losing a FMVP to a bench-warmer.

Lebron with so many Kobe-like Finals games. Must win Finals games of 10-30, 10-21, 11-26, and 13-33.

And in his ONE decent efficiency Finals....his team was blown out.

BTW, in his one series against an all-time great defensive team...the '08 Celtics... a .355 FG%.

And yet Ilt is an 18 ppg scorer and Kobrick is a 40% finals scorer.

LeTHICK on the other hand is at 26 ppg on 46% with 7:rockon: apg

[LAZERUSS]

And yet Ilt is an 18 ppg scorer and Kobrick is a 40% finals scorer.

LeTHICK on the other hand is at 26 ppg on 46% with 7:rockon: apg

The 3" LeChoke... averaged 36 ppg in a Finals, on a .398 FG%, in a series in which a bench-warmer, that defended him, beat him out for the FMVP.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Meanwhile, an 18 ppg scoring Chamberlain dominated a Finals in which an opposing player averaged 41 ppg.

Of course, had Chamberlain taken 33 FGAs per game in that Finals, he would have scored 50 ppg.

Give me a dominant player over a shot-jacking clown any day of the week.

As for Kobe...at least he played well enough to win five rings. LeChoke damned near gave one of his two rings away, but was saved by a washed up Ray Allen in that series.

[feyki]

The 3" LeChoke... averaged 36 ppg in a Finals, on a .398 FG%, in a series in which a bench-warmer, that defended him, beat him out for the FMVP.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Meanwhile, an 18 ppg scoring Chamberlain dominated a Finals in which an opposing player averaged 41 ppg.

Of course, had Chamberlain taken 33 FGAs per game in that Finals, he would have scored 50 ppg.

Give me a dominant player over a shot-jacking clown any day of the week.

As for Kobe...at least he played well enough to win five rings. LeChoke damned near gave one of his two rings away, but was saved by a washed up Ray Allen in that series.


Welcome to the Truth my friend .. Russell > Wilt .

[LAZERUSS]

Take a look at this. Lebron couldn't even beat this guy...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

Lebron losing a FMVP to a role player off the bench, and beaten badly by this 6-0 white guy.

[LAZERUSS]

Welcome to the Truth my friend .. Russell > Wilt .

Not with equal rosters that were healthy.

In fact, not even close.

[feyki]

Not with equal rosters that were healthy.

In fact, not even close.

Remember game 7 of 62 ECF ..

[LAZERUSS]

Remember game 7 of 62 ECF ..

Where Chamberlain carried the same rag-tag last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which the HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics were favored in EVERY game? And credited with playing dominant defensively in the recaps? And with scoring Philly's last five points to pull the Warriors dead-even, before the clutch Sam Jones hit the game winning shot?

In a series in which Chamberlain averaged 34-27? Which included two 40+ point games, and four more 30+ point games? All while outscoring, ourebounding, and badly outshooting Russell?

[feyki]

Where Chamberlain carried the same rag-tag last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, to a game seven, two point loss, in a series in which the HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics were favored in EVERY game? And credited with playing dominant defensively in the recaps? And with scoring Philly's last five points to pull the Warriors dead-even, before the clutch Sam Jones hit the game winning shot?

In a series in which Chamberlain averaged 34-27? Which included two 40+ point games, and four more 30+ point games? All while outscoring, ourebounding, and badly outshooting Russell?


Blah blah blah bro take the reals .

His teammates as good as Russell's in that game 7 .

And also , Hal Greer averaged 16 points and Chet Walker averaged 14 points a game When Wilt was shot jacking clown in the 66 against Celtics . Next year , Hal Greer averaged 29 points and Chet Walker averaged 21 points when Wilt was in team player like Russell in the 67 against Celtics .

Yes , Wilt was more talented but he used that only in two years in 67 and 68 . Rest of his career were shot jacking clown when he younger .

Russell >>>>> Wilt , no doubt .

[LAZERUSS]

And yet when you stakes are high, he chokes.

30.1 ppg regular season
22 ppg playoffs
18 ppg finals

:lebronamazed:
Rest assured that one the biggest stage, Ilt has a tendency to wet the bed:lol

Chamberlain's Finals were against Russell, whose Celtic teams would win the title only after barely beating Chamberlain's TEAMs.

So Wilt's Finals...

31-27
34-27
29-28
30-31
28-30
22-32-10
22-25-7
12-25

Lebron couldn't come close to those numbers in his Finals.

And again...Lebron was shooting .355 in one Finals, got outplayed by Jason Terry in another, and was outvoted by a bench-warmer in yet another. In fact, in the ONE series in which he shot decently from the field, his team was blown out by a record margin.

But thanks for playing Feeble.

[LAZERUSS]

Blah blah blah bro take the reals .

His teammates as good as Russell's in that game 7 .

And also , Hal Greer averaged 16 points and Chet Walker averaged 14 points a game When Wilt was shot jacking clown in the 66 against Celtics . Next year , Hal Greer averaged 29 points and Chet Walker averaged 21 points when Wilt was in team player like Russell in the 67 against Celtics .

Yes , Wilt was more talented but he used that only in two years in 67 and 68 . Rest of his career were shot jacking clown when he younger .

Russell >>>>> Wilt , no doubt .

I could, and have, shredded every one of the above.

But I have to hand it to you on the ''66 EDF's.

Thinks about this. During the regular season, Wilt faced the Celtics nine times (he missed a blowout loss)...and his team went 6-3 in those games. In those nine games, he averaged 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, and shot .473 from the floor.

Ok, in the EDF's, Chamberlain averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, 3.2 apg (more on that in a moment), and shot .509 from the floor. So how did the Celtics win that series, 4-1? Wilt's TEAMMATES collectively shot...get this... .352 from the field! BTW, that also explains Wilt's drop in apg. His teammates simply blew chunks all over the floor.

As for '67...Chamberlain was THE dominant player in the EDF's. Greer averaged 29 ppg, but, on a .434 FG%. Chamberlain averaged 22 ppg, but on a .556 FG% (while holding Russell to 10 ppg on a .358 FG%...abnd outrebounding Russell by a staggering 32 rpg to 23 rpg margin.)

Furthermore, in the clinching game five win, Grrer scored 32 points, but on 12-28 from the field, while Wilt scored 29 on 10-16 from the floor. Not only that, but Chamberlain scored 22 points in the first half, when the game was still in doubt. He most certainly could have scored more had it been needed.

Oh, and same thing in the Finals. Greer puked all over the floor in the clinching game six win...15 points on 5-16 shooting...while Chamberlain stomped a peak Thurmond with a 24 point game, on 8-13 from the floor (Nate scored 12 points on 4-13 from the floor BTW.)

Of course, Chamberlain set the tone for the entire '67 playoff run, with 41 points in their very first game (on 19-30 from the floor)...which was a Sixer high that post-season. And he followed it up with a 37 point game on 16-24 from the floor. He then reverted back to facilitating, and in the very next game, put up a 16-30-19 game (yes, 19 assists), and with an estimated 20 blocks.

In any case...WILT was the force on his team in every series of the 60's, except the '69 playoffs, when unfortunately for him and his teammates, they had an incompetent coach.

[LAZERUSS]

Blah blah blah bro take the reals .

His teammates as good as Russell's in that game 7 .

And also , Hal Greer averaged 16 points and Chet Walker averaged 14 points a game When Wilt was shot jacking clown in the 66 against Celtics . Next year , Hal Greer averaged 29 points and Chet Walker averaged 21 points when Wilt was in team player like Russell in the 67 against Celtics .

Yes , Wilt was more talented but he used that only in two years in 67 and 68 . Rest of his career were shot jacking clown when he younger .

Russell >>>>> Wilt , no doubt .

Serious question...

how about the '65 EDF's?

Wilt was TRADED, at mid-season, for three players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. And even with Chamberlain, they only went .500 in the last half of that season.

Chamberlain then single-handedly destroyed Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round, 3-1.

Setting up the EDF's, in which Chamberlain carried that same bottom-feeding roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty. In that seventh game, Chamberlain scored Philly's last eight points to pull the Sixers to within, 110-109. And then the "clutch" Russell hit a guidewire with his inbounds pass, setting up what would have been the biggest upset in NBA history. But, as was almost always the case, a teammate saved Russell's ass when "Havicek stole the ball!"

In that game seven, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 30-15, outrebounded Russell, 32-29, and outshot Russell, 12-15 to 7-16 from the field.

In that series, Chamberlain outscored Russell, per game, 30.1 ppg to 15.6 ppg; outrebounded Russell, per game, 31.4 to 25.2 rpg; outshot Russell from the field, .555 to .440; and outshot Russell from the line, .583 to .472. Hell, he even outblocked Russell by a 35-22 margin.

Now, who was the better player in that series?

[feyki]

Lazerus ;

Forget the fairytales . And Tell me , How Chet's and Hal's ppg increased dramatically in one year ?

[SpaceJam]

Dwyane Wade passes Hakeem Olajuwon for 12th place on NBA's all-time playoff scoring list

CLIMBING! :bowdown:

[Lebron23]

Ilt Chamberlain

[LAZERUSS]

Ilt Chamberlain


3inch LeChoke.

[LAZERUSS]

Lazerus ;

Forget the fairytales . And Tell me , How Chet's and Hal's ppg increased dramatically in one year ?

Hmmm...let's examine that shall we?

In the '64-65 season, Wilt is traded at mid-season, for three players, to a Sixers team that went 34-46 the year before, and missed the playoffs.

They go 40-40, and then in the first round, they romp over Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals, 3-1. And then in the EDF's, they lose a game seven, one point game, to a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty.

How about Wilt's, Greer's, and Walker's numbers in that post-season run? BTW, we can't compare their numbers from the previous season because...Greer and Walker's Sixers didn't even make the playoffs.

'65 Playoffs:

Wilt... 29.3 ppg on 21.1 FGA per game.
Greer... 24.6 ppg on 20.2 FGA per game.
Walker...20.3 ppg on 15.7 FGA per game.


'66. This is interesting. During the regular season, the Sixers went 6-3 against Boston in the games Chamberlain played in (he missed one game against them, and they were blown out.) In those nine games, Wilt averaged 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, 4.2 apg and shot .473 from the floor. In the EDF's against the Celtics, Wilt averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 ppg, 3.2 apg, and shot .509 from the field...or nearly identical to what he averaged against them in their nine regular season match-ups. But, the Sixers lost that series, 4-1. Was it Wilt's fault, or perhaps the blame lays with his teammates, who collectively shot .352 from the field in that series?

'66 Playoffs:

Wilt... 28.0 ppg on 22.0 FGA per game.
Greer... 16.4 ppg on 18.2 FGA per game.
Walker... 14.6 ppg on 12.8 FGA per game.

What changed from the previous post-season? Are you blaming Wilt? He took one more FGA per game than the previous season.


'67.

Ok, the Sixers ADDED HOFer Billy Cunningham. Chamberlain no longer HAD to score (albeit, he could, and in fact, had the high Sixer playoff game of 41 points, as well as a 29 point game in the clincher against Russell's Celtics in the EDF's, which included 22 first half points when the game was still close.

Wilt... 21.7 ppg on 15.2 FGA per game.
Greer... 27.7 ppg on 25.0 FGA per game.
Walker... 21.7 ppg on 16.4 FGA per game.

How about '65 again?

Wilt... 29.3 ppg on 21.1 FGA per game.
Greer... 24.6 ppg on 20.2 FGA per game.
Walker... 20.3 ppg on 15.7 FGA per game.

Add them up...

65...lost a game seven by one point in the EDF's...

74.2 ppg on 57.0 FGA per game.


'67...blew everyone out in the post-season...

71.1 ppg on 56.6 FGA per game.


So, what else changed?

Oh wait...again...HOFer Cunningham...who in '67...

15.0 ppg on 14.7 FGA.


Again...the reason the '67 Sixers were so successful was NOT because Chamberlain didn't shoot as much as previous playoffs, but rather that he didn't HAVE to shoot as much. BUT, we KNOW that he most certainly COULD have, had it been required.

[aj1987]

Ilt Chamberlain
Yep. Shit his pants in the '69 Finals. Was the 7th leading scorer in the '67 Finals and the 6th leading scorer in the '72 Finals. Massive PPG and FT% drop from the RS to the Finals. 30 PPG in the RS, 22 PPG in the PO's, and 18 PPG in the Finals. That should tell you all about his choking.

[Papaya Petee]

Moved up again! Now hes really ahead of Wilt. And better than Wilt. Had Wilt play now Wade would of dunked on him worse than he did on Varajao and Perkins.

[LAZERUSS]

Moved up again! Now hes really ahead of Wilt. And better than Wilt. Had Wilt play now Wade would of dunked on him worse than he did on Varajao and Perkins.

The "Bus Rider" dunking on Wilt????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Just ask Gus Johnson, who was a FAR greater athlete than Broken Down Wade...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61992/before-there-was-youtube-there-was-wilt

[QUOTE]There's no visual evidence, but Wilt Chamberlain's block of Gus Johnson's dunk is the stuff of legends.

The moment doesn't exist in photo or film, but surely it does exist.

[B]The Baltimore Sun on Nov. 26, 1966, recounted the powerful blow the day after it occurred, in a 129-115 victory by Chamberlain's Philadelphia 76ers over Johnson's Baltimore Bullets in Baltimore. Johnson, according to the paper, suffered a

[LAZERUSS]

Yep. Shit his pants in the '69 Finals. Was the 7th leading scorer in the '67 Finals and the 6th leading scorer in the '72 Finals. Massive PPG and FT% drop from the RS to the Finals. 30 PPG in the RS, 22 PPG in the PO's, and 18 PPG in the Finals. That should tell you all about his choking.

Of course, a prime Chamberlain never had the luxury of facing a washed up Smits in his last season; a 35 year old Mutombo, whom was allowed to be bloodied by the officials; a never was MacCulloch; and a complete bust in Dampier; in four Finals.

Nor did a prime Wilt ever put up a pathetic 23-12 .493 FG% series in a 4-1 blowout loss against an Ostertag either. In fact, Shaq went 1-8 against the great Greg in their nine playoff H2H's.

Nor was Wilt ever SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career.

Nor did Shaq ever put up a 45 point "must win" finals game. Nor must win playoff games of 46, 50, 53, and 56.

Nope...Shaq could abuse the many helpless centers of his era, but when he faced the Robinson-led Spurs from '99-'02...his numbers dropped off the cliff. Chamberlain was facing an even greater defensive force EIGHT times in his post-season career. And was routinely averaging 30+ ppg against him and the greatest defensive team of the 60's.

[feyki]

In the '64-65 season, Wilt is traded at mid-season, for three players, to a Sixers team that went 34-46 the year before, and missed the playoffs.

No , they did . Also , They did extend the series to game 5 against Royals .


'65 Playoffs:

Wilt... 29.3 ppg on 21.1 FGA per game.
Greer... 24.6 ppg on 20.2 FGA per game.
Walker...20.3 ppg on 15.7 FGA per game.

Don't make " suit one's book " stuffs ..

Wilt's TS - %55

Hal's TS - %52

Chet's TS - %54

In 65'

This is a great supporting cast .

And difference of between 66 and 67 , or in other words ; losing or winning ..

Wilt took 13.6 fta a game in 66 against Celtics . And with %41 percentages . Hogging the ball , made teammates worse . That's simple . One is true way , other one is wrong . Wilt earned the true way and got the his first ring while Russell has 9 .

Of course .. Maybe , Wilt wasn't great as Russell defensively . But he could play all around game , like he did in 67 and also 68 .

If i do take Wilt in a different statue than Shaq . That's about Wilt's all around game . Only scoring is not enough for goat candidate .

So , you should understand scoring stats , raw stats meaningless . That game is a compact game . Basketball isn't easy as just look at scores . It's childish bro .

[Papaya Petee]

The "Bus Rider" dunking on Wilt????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Just ask Gus Johnson, who was a FAR greater athlete than Broken Down Wade...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61992/before-there-was-youtube-there-was-wilt



They would have carted Wade out in a body bag my friend.
:roll: Prime Wade makes Gus Johnson look like a non athletic scrub.
Hes putting his balls in Wilts mouth like he did to Varajao and ending his career.
Wade>>>>Ilt

[LAZERUSS]

No , they did . Also , They did extend the series to game 5 against Royals .



Don't make " suit one's book " stuffs ..

Wilt's TS - %55

Hal's TS - %52

Chet's TS - %54

In 65'

This is a great supporting cast .

And difference of between 66 and 67 , or in other words ; losing or winning ..

Wilt took 13.6 fta a game in 66 against Celtics . And with %41 percentages . Hogging the ball , made teammates worse . That's simple . One is true way , other one is wrong . Wilt earned the true way and got the his first ring while Russell has 9 .

Of course .. Maybe , Wilt wasn't great as Russell defensively . But he could play all around game , like he did in 67 and also 68 .

If i do take Wilt in a different statue than Shaq . That's about Wilt's all around game . Only scoring is not enough for goat candidate .

So , you should understand scoring stats , raw stats meaningless . That game is a compact game . Basketball isn't easy as just look at scores . It's childish bro .

You were right...the '64 Sixers did make the playoffs.

Without Wilt...

Greer...21.4 ppg on a .389 FG%.
Walker...18.8 ppg on a .390 FG%.

Next year WITH Wilt...

Greer... 24.6 ppg on a .455
Walker... 20.3 ppg on a .480

Obviously Wilt made them FAR greater playoff performers.

Chamberlain's TS% was actually at least 2% higher.

But, of course, as we already know...it went well beyond that. Why? Because Chamberlain routinely led his teams to the most FTAs in the regular and post-seasons. His TEAMMATES benefitted from that.

But thanks for making my point.

Chamberlain single-handly took a bottom-feeding team, that had to trade three players to get him, to a game seven, one point loss against a HOF-laden 62-18 Celtics team, at the peak of their dynasty...and with a series in which Chamberlain just carpet-bombed a helpless Russell in every aspect of the game. In fact, only Wilt's obliteration of Russell in their '67 EDF's stands as the most one-sided beatdowns by one GOAT upon another in NBA post-season history.

[aj1987]

Of course, a prime Chamberlain never had the luxury of facing a washed up Smits in his last season; a 35 year old Mutombo, whom was allowed to be bloodied by the officials; a never was MacCulloch; and a complete bust in Dampier; in four Finals.
Yeah, he only played against skinny AF stiffs. Dude whom Shaq would snap in half like a twig.


Nor did a prime Wilt ever put up a pathetic 23-12 .493 FG% series in a 4-1 blowout loss against an Ostertag either. In fact, Shaq went 1-8 against the great Greg in their nine playoff H2H's.
1967 NBA Finals. Shaq was averaging 36 PPG in the Finals during his prime.


Nor was Wilt ever SWEPT SIX times in his playoff career.
He lost the same number of times in the Finals as Shaq won. Not to mention prime Shaq never missed the PO's.


Nor did Shaq ever put up a 45 point "must win" finals game. Nor must win playoff games of 46, 50, 53, and 56.
Did Chokerlain win that game? Dude is a KNOWN statpadder.


Nope...Shaq could abuse the many helpless centers of his era, but when he faced the Robinson-led Spurs from '99-'02...his numbers dropped off the cliff. Chamberlain was facing an even greater defensive force EIGHT times in his post-season career. And was routinely averaging 30+ ppg against him and the greatest defensive team of the 60's.
30

22

18

6th and 7th in scoring the two times he won rings and apparently this choking statpadder is a GOAT candidate... :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah, he only played against skinny AF stiffs. Dude whom Shaq would snap in half like a twig.


1967 NBA Finals. Shaq was averaging 36 PPG in the Finals during his prime.


He lost the same number of times in the Finals as Shaq won. Not to mention prime Shaq never missed the PO's.


Did Chokerlain win that game? Dude is a KNOWN statpadder.


30

22

18

6th and 7th in scoring the two times he won rings and apparently this choking statpadder is a GOAT candidate... :roll: :roll:

Shaq couldn't even budge Rodman forcryingoutloud.

Shaq melted against the Spurs, and needed Kobe to carry him in those series. Without Kobe, and Shaq is minus two rings, and two FMVPs.

Chamberlain won FMVPs while DOMINATING in his two Finals. Had he faced the likes of Smits and MacCulloch, and he would have been putting up staggering scoring and efficiency records, not to mention that his TRB%'s would have been off the charts.

And again, the 6-11 350 lb Shaq was allowed to bully the helpless centers that he faced. Of course, the league allowed teams to brutalize Wilt, and in fact, they put rules into effect in a futile attempt to curtail his dominance. Needless to say, had Wilt been allowed to play like Shaq, they would have carted Mutombo out in a bodybag.

[Papaya Petee]

Hey guys 18PPG in the finals is dominating now :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Hey guys 18PPG in the finals is dominating now :lol

Most certainly.

18-29-7 .560 while outscoring, outrebounding, and holding his HOF opposing center to a .343 FG%.

Then a 19-23- 7 bpg .600 Finals, in which he destroyed the Knicks and their five HOFers in the clinching game five win with a 24-29 8 block 10-14 game. BTW, the entire NY team had a total of 39 rebounds.

Again, virtually everyone who watched the '67 Finals would have given Chamberlain the FMVP, including Rick Barry, who played in it, and averaged 41 ppg in that series. Which is a far cry from a Lebron averaging 36 ppg (and shooting .398) in a Finals in which a bench player beat him out for the FMVP.

DOMINANT.

[AirFederer]

Funny how Wilt was so strong when every footage of him shows a gentle vanilla gigant :roll:
Blabla 97%.

I have seen enough.

[LAZERUSS]

Funny how Wilt was so strong when every footage of him shows a gentle vanilla gigant :roll:
Blabla 97%.

I have seen enough.

At best, you have seen 2% of Wilt in video footage. That is it. That is all that exists.

BTW, I already posted this before...but keep in mind that Gus Johnson was 6-6 235, and had a vertical that would rival MJ's.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61992/before-there-was-youtube-there-was-wilt


There's no visual evidence, but Wilt Chamberlain's block of Gus Johnson's dunk is the stuff of legends.

The moment doesn't exist in photo or film, but surely it does exist.

The Baltimore Sun on Nov. 26, 1966, recounted the powerful blow the day after it occurred, in a 129-115 victory by Chamberlain's Philadelphia 76ers over Johnson's Baltimore Bullets in Baltimore. Johnson, according to the paper, suffered a “wrenched shoulder” thanks to Chamberlain's mammoth swat.

The Los Angeles Times on Feb. 26, 1981, recalled that Wilt Chamberlain “dislocated the shoulder of the powerful Gus Johnson when he blocked one of Gus' dunks.”

The Philadelphia Inquirer on Oct. 26, 1986, got the scoop from Billy Cunningham, who witnessed the event: "It was Gus against Wilt," Cunningham said. "Gus went in to dunk, and Wilt caught the ball, threw Gus to the floor, and they had to take Gus off the floor with a dislocated shoulder."

Imagine if this kind of debilitating block was registered in the YouTube age. It'd be plastered into our digital minds and never forgotten. Instead it occurred in an era when players were supposedly plodding, slow, uncoordinated or some combination of the three. And if you possessed some measure of athleticism you were unfairly taking advantage of the physically unfortunate. Rare is the footage to combat these prevailing myths.

Those misconceptions don't reconcile with the image of Wilt Chamberlain, a 7-foot-1 center who jumped high enough to block shots at the top of the backboard's square. They also don't quite jibe with Gus Johnson, a 6-6 forward who shattered three backboards with his monstrous dunks in the 1960s.

But for the titanic block that Chamberlain delivered on Johnson, we have a few words and our imaginations to work with. That's something we decreasingly get to use these days. We know not what type of dunk Johnson was attempting. We don't know exactly how Wilt's body was positioned. We're oblivious to how far out Gus leaped to instigate the showdown. We're at a loss for the look on Chamberlain's face as he successfully protected the rim or, conversely, the pain on Gus' face as his shoulder separated.



That was, of course, just one of the MANY incredible and unfathomable physical feats that Chamberlain imposed on his peers in his career.

[AirFederer]

Just look at that power and vertical :oldlol:

https://i.imgflip.com/qosj8.gif

Another famous and totally true Wilt story:


During an interview for a book called Tall Tales by writer Terry Pluto, former college and NBA player Johnny Kerr admitted that Chamberlain broke his toe with a dunk one time when he was playing against him. "Once Wilt got upset with me," he said, "and dunked the ball so hard it went through the rim with such force that it broke my toe as it hit the floor."

:lol Pretty sure Wilt got guys to tell these riddles about him. So insecure.
http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_680/psg6tgmal8oyratj35nc.jpg

Oh, and:
Wilt on the competition in the NBA, aka the Bush league:


"When I was a young boy first learning the game of basketball, the ultimate dream for players of color was to play with the Globetrotters," he wrote in his autobiography, A View From Above. "The NBA meant zero to us at that time. In my eyes, and in the eyes of many others, they were the best basketball team in the world. To be that good and that funny, what could be more desirable?"

Ilt also QUIT coaching after just one season. Once a quitter...


More quitting:


The sides came to a verbal agreement that Chamberlain and Ali would fight a 15-round bout on July 26, 1971, at the Houston Astrodome. The savvy Arum, though, knew that without a signed contract, there was no guarantee the fight would go through. So Arum pulled Ali aside before the news conference and told him to cool it.

"You know how Ali was and what a great promoter he was," Arum said. "I was assured by Wilt's lawyer he would sign, but I just had a funny feeling. I grabbed Ali before Wilt got there and "told him I thought the guy was getting shaky and might pull out of the fight and I told him to shut up until (Chamberlain) actually signed. And he went, `Yeah, yeah, yeah.'"

But as soon as Chamberlain and his lawyer entered the office at the Astrodome where Ali and Arum were waiting, things changed. The showman in Ali took over even though there were no media there to witness it. As Chamberlain ducked his head through the doorway, Ali shouted `Timber! The tree will fall in four!!"

Chamberlain immediately asked Arum if he could use a private phone for a few minutes before proceeding. Arum set him up in Astrodome owner Judge Roy Hoffheinz' office and left him alone. Chamberlain called Jack Kent Cooke and quickly agreed to terms with the Lakers.

He quickly walked out of that one too, lol :roll:

20 000 unmarried women. lol.



There have been a lot of people who have said that there is no way Chamberlain slept with 20,000 women. But in his 1991 book, A View From Above, he said that the number 20,000 figure was accurate. He also said that none of them had been married women.

"I made a conscious effort to find out [if a woman was married]," he said. "Even as a single man, infidelity has no place in my life."


Also; traded several times in his prime? WTF? Imagine Celtics trading Bird og LA trading Magic. :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Reminder even a hobbled Wade who needs a wheelchair to get around is a better playoff scorer than wilt:pimp:

[warriorfan]

Reminder even a hobbled Wade who needs a wheelchair to get around is a better playoff scorer than wilt:pimp:

https://s32.postimg.io/bowhsnljp/Wade2011_Finals.png

[Mr Feeny]

https://s32.postimg.io/bowhsnljp/Wade2011_Finals.png

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0BKthOpu8cI1w9OM/giphy.gif

[Paul George 24]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0BKthOpu8cI1w9OM/giphy.gif
DUNCAN >>>>>>>>> LECHOKE BABY :lol

[Mr Feeny]

DUNCAN >>>>>>>>> LECHOKE BABY :lol

http://oi63.tinypic.com/evc17c.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

How do you only average 22 ppg in a league with 40% ish more possessions, and players who are a foot shorter than you :oldlol:




Wilts paced adjusted ppg in the playoffs is 14.7 ppg


















Can you imagine someone hyping Jordan/LeBron as GOAT if they only averaged 14.7 ppg for their career in the playoffs? :oldlol:

[aj1987]

How do you only average 22 ppg in a league with 40% ish more possessions, and players who are a foot shorter than you :oldlol:




Wilts paced adjusted ppg in the playoffs is 14.7 ppg


Can you imagine someone hyping Jordan/LeBron as GOAT if they only averaged 14.7 ppg for their career in the playoffs? :oldlol:
.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

[swagga]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

#PrayForLaz2016

[Papaya Petee]

I almost feel on how much we destroyed that Ilt loving old bastard.

30
22
18
2/7
did not kill a mountain lion with his bare hands.

[Big164]

Outrebounded prime kareem
Out-Lifted prime Arnold
OutIntimidated prime Ali

100 game....1st
50.4 season....1st
30.1 career......1st(tie)
20k lifetime....1st ;)

Greatest Scorer Ever!!!

[aj1987]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18


Greatest Choker Ever!!!
Damn! Agreed, warriorfag.

[SouBeachTalents]

Outrebounded prime kareem
Out-Lifted prime Arnold
OutIntimidated prime Ali

100 game....1st
50.4 season....1st
30.1 career......1st(tie)
20k lifetime....1st ;)

Greatest Scorer Ever!!!

How about playoffs & Finals?

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Outrebounded prime kareem
Out-Lifted prime Arnold
OutIntimidated prime Ali

100 game....1st
50.4 season....1st
30.1 career......1st(tie)
20k lifetime....1st ;)

Greatest Scorer Ever!!!


:roll: :roll: whos alt is this?

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: whos alt is this?
Warriorfan.

[Big164]

Wilt just continues to jizz greatness all over Basketball-Reference's face...



https://s22.postimg.org/amtw539cx/points.png

This is a legit page:http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/player_pts.html

[Mr Feeny]

I'm sorry folks but:.


511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Credit aj

[AirBonner]

I'm sorry folks but:.


511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Credit aj
Damn. Reality is brutal .

[Mr Feeny]

Damn. Reality is brutal .

Oh. My. Goodness! :banana: :banana:

[aj1987]

Oh. My. Goodness! :banana: :banana:
Can you post playoff stats?


Oh wait.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Can you post playoff stats?


Oh wait.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Damn. Reality is brutal .

Here is REALITY my friend...


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.



CONTEXT.

[LAZERUSS]

How about playoffs & Finals?

Let me ask you...

Give me a list of NBA players with FOUR or more 50+ point playoff games.

Give me a list of GOATs who put up THREE "must win" playoff games of 50+ points?

Give me a list of players who FIVE "must win" playoff games of 45+ points (including one in the Finals.)

Then give me a list of players who had FIVE "must win" playoff games of at least 45-22.

Give me a list of players who put up a "must win" Finals game of 45-27, and on a FG% of .740.


Give me the list of CENTERS who outscored a Chamberlain in his PRIME in their post-season H2H's ('60 thru '68.) Hell, give me the list of PLAYERS who outscored Chamberlain in their playoff series H2H's in those years.

Then, how about a SCORING Chamberlain (from '60 thru '66.) I'll help...he played in 52 playoff games, and was outscored by an opposing center in... TWO of them. And give me the list of PLAYERS who outscored Wilt in those post-season series H2H's from '60 thru '66.

Give me a list of players who put up TWO STRAIGHT playoff series of 28-27-11 on a .617 FG%, and 22-32-10 on a .556 FG%.

Give me a list of players who had a KNOWN 590 blocked shots in the post-season...and then, with a 7.3 bpg average in the process.


Tell me how many times Chamberlain was outrebounded by an opposing center in his 29 playoff games. Then give me a list of the other centers who can make that same claim.

Give me the list of players who had NINE 20-20 post-season runs. How about players who had SIX 25-20 post-season runs? How about players who put up FOUR 30-20 playoff runs? How about TWO 35-25 playoff runs?

Give me a list of players who had FOUR 37-23+ post-season series (with a high of 39-23.)

Give me your list of players who put up a career "must-win" ppg of 31.1 ppg. Then, find me those that did so while also grabbing 26.4 rpg. Might as well add in the players that achieved that 31.1 ppg 26.4 rpg on a .540 FG% (and outshooting the post-season league eFG% average by over a full TEN PERCENTAGE points in the process.)

Give me your list of players who put up cumulative game seven's in the Finals of 19.5 ppg, 25.5 rpg, and on a .708 FG%. Then, find me those same players who then limited their two HOF peers to a combined average of 5.0 ppg, 12.0 rpg, and on a .333 FG% in those two game seven's.

Give me your list of CENTERS of who put playoff runs of 6.3 apg and even 9.0 apg. And while you are at it, give me the CENTERS who put up back-to-back playoff series of 11.0 apg and 10.0 apg.

Give me your list of GOAT CENTERS who were outshooting their HOF peers in the Finals H2H's by FG% margins of .500 to .397, .517 to .386, .560 to .343, .600 to .500, and .625 to .483.

Give me your list of players who had a KNOWN 24 Playoff Triple Doubles for Chamberlain, 14 of which were 20+ point triple-doubles, and 9 of which were 30+ point triples...including the HIGHEST SCORING POST-SEASON TRIPLE DOUBLE IN NBA HISTORY at a staggering... 56-35-12.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12403457&postcount=22


I won't even bother to look up post-season 20-20 games, or 25-20 games, or 20-30 games, or 30-20 games, or 40-20 games, or 40-30 games, or 50-20 games, or even 50-30 games (BTW, Chamberlain had TWO.) If you want to challenge me on who has the most of each, I would welcome it.

The REALITY is, Chamberlain holds a TON of PLAYOFF RECORDS.



Now you tell me...does Wilt have a case for post-season GOAT, and if not, where would you rank him in the post-season?

[Mr Feeny]

Folks, just to clarify : THIS is what Ilt Chamberlain does when it counts. Notice a tendency for choking and for a significant drop in play as we move to the playoffs and finals (a trait that Kobe shares with wilt):

511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

Ilt's scoring drop off from the RS to the PO's:

'60 - -4.4
'61 - -1.4
'62 - -15.4
'63 - Missed the PO's despite averaging 44.8/24.3/3.4 on 52.8%
'64 - -2.2
'65 - -5.4
'66 - -5.5
'67 - -2.4
'68 - -0.6
'69 - -6.6
'70 - -5.2 (Injured his knee, so not really gonna count this year)
'71 - -2.4
'72 - -0.1
'73 - -2.8

Those numbers would translate to ~15 PPG in the '90's, BTW. Playing in a weak ass era definitely helped boost his stats.


Ilt's FG% from the RS to the PO's:

1960 - +3.5
1961 - -4.0
1962 - -3.9
1964 - +1.8
1965 - +2.0
1966 - -3.1
1967 - -10.4
1968 - -6.1
1979 - -3.8
1970 - -1.9
1971 - -9.0
1972 - -8.6
1973 - -17.5

Credit aj
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[FKAri]

Heat fans prematurely celebrating beating Charlotte in the first few pages of this thread :lol

[Big164]

Y
Wade is a player who will be forgotten in 10 years.

The Record Book will still be "The Wilt Book" 50 years from now.
^^This! Wilt has made Basketball-reference his personal b.tch! Ive never seen MJ come in 2nd, 3rd and 5th place so many times in my life. Chamberlain is the ONLY player NBA history who can do that. Not Kareem, not Bron, not anyone.

https://s18.postimg.io/9qbrx4fkp/ppg.png


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[aj1987]

The REALITY is, Chamberlain holds a TON of PLAYOFF RECORDS.
Sure, as one of the WOAT PO's performer.




Now you tell me...does Wilt have a case for post-season GOAT, and if not, where would you rank him in the post-season?
Nope and somewhere in the 20's.

[LAZERUSS]

Sure, as one of the WOAT PO's performer.




Nope and somewhere in the 20's.

Easily ahead of your boy 3" LeChoke...


Gotta love the Ajackoffs of this site. CONTEXT. He has no clue what that means.

Scoring? How about post-season runs of 28, 29, 33, 35, 35, and 37 ppg? How about post-season series of 37, 37, 39, and 39 ppg? How about post-season series of 28-30, 29-28, 30-31, 31-27, and 34-27 against RUSSELL? How about 13 playoff games of 40+...11 of which came in his 52 playoff games in his "scoring" seasons (21% for those keeping track.) How about MUST WIN games of 45-27 (Finals BTW), 46-34 (against RUSSELL BTW), 50-22, 50-35 (against RUSSELL BTW), and even a 56-35-12 game? As well as another 50 point game in the '64 WDF's. Or series clinching games of 30-32, 30-26, 38-26, and 39-26-10?

How about his MUST WIN playoff games? In his 23 must win playoff games...

31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in the same span.)

How about his 37 MUST WIN, and SERIES CLINCHING playoff games?

29.5 ppg, 26.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, and on a .546 FG% (again, in post-seasons that shot .435 in that span...or nearly TWELVE percentage points above the league average.)


Rebounding? Simply...the GOAT post-season rebounder in NBA history. Yes, Russell had a slightly higher average... 24.9 rpg to 24.5 rpg...BUT, in their eight playoff series H2H's, Chamberlain outrebounded Russell in EVERY one of them. Including margins of 5, 6, and even 9 rpg! Oh, Chamberlain is also the all-time FINALS leading rebounder with a career average of 24.6 rpg.

He played in 13 post-seasons, and his LOW was 20.2 rpg. He also had post-seasons of 28, 29, and even 30 rpg. And he had series of 30 and 31 rpg (both against RUSSELL BTW.) In his LAST post-season, at age 36, and covering 17 games... 22.5 rpg, in a post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg per team (just this last season the NBA averaged 42.0 rpg.) That translates to 19 rpg in the '16 playoffs. In his LAST season.

He played in 29 post-season series, and was never outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of them. He was outrebounded by PF Jerry Lucas in ONE...and by a 21.0 to 20.0 rpg margin/ However, when the two faced each other as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg, outrebounded the 31 year old Lacas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

Wilt was outrebounding Reed by 14 rpg, Thurmond by 7 rpg, and Russell by 9 rpg.


Playoff RECORDS? Surely this "declining" Wilt would not have any post-season records, right? How about, and by far, the most 20-20 games, the most 30-20 games, the most 20-30 games, the most 30-30 games, the most 40-20 games, the most 40-30 games, the most 50-20 games, and the most 50-30 games? How about the most post-seasons of 20-20, 30-20, 30-25, 35-20?


Blocked shots? Tim Duncan just retired with the "official" post-season blocked shot record of 568 in his 251 playoff games. Well nbastats.net contributor, Julizaver found blocked shot data for 81 of Wilt's 160 post-season games...or roughly half (and almost all of it from the mid-60's on)...and... 590 blocked shots...in 81 games! Hell, an old Wilt blocked 33 shots in his '72 WCF's in the four known games of that series, and 15 of those were on KAJ!

Defense? Wilt held Russell to playoff series FG%'s of .399, .397, .386, and .358 (in a season in which Russell shot .454 against the NBA.) He held Thurmond to playoff series of .392, .373, and .343 (a PEAK Nate BTW...and in a season in which Thurmond shot .437 against the NBA.) He held Bellamy to .450 in a season in which Bellamy shot .521 against the NBA, and then to .421 in a season in which Bellamy had shot .541 against the NBA. Oh, can't forget Kareem, either. KAJ shot .577 and .574 against the NBA in '71 and '72. Against Wilt in those two post-seasons? .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four games of that series.)

How about Wilt's FG% in his six Finals? .559...all while holding his opposing centers (all in the HOF BTW)...to a combined .439. Or how about his two game seven's of the Finals? He outshot Reed and Russell by a combined .708 to .333 margin (all while averaging 19.5 ppg and 25.5 rpg.)


Passing? Find me a CENTER who averaged 9.0 apg in an entire playoff run (which, BTW, led the post-season that year.) Or a center who had two straight triple-double series (28-27-11, and 22-32-10)?


Of course, had a PRIME Wilt faced the likes of a washed Smits, or a 35 year old Mutombo (whom Shaq was allowed to beat to a bloody pulp in some of the most disgraceful offciating in Finals history), or a never-was in the career 6 ppg scoring MacCulloch, or the complete bust in Eric Dampier... in his Finals...no doubt he would have been putting up 30-40-and 50 point playoff games against them.

GOAT.

[aj1987]

Easily ahead of your boy 3" LeChoke...
Damn, you're obsessed with LeBron's *****. What the **** is wrong with you?

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Shaq
4. LeBron
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Russell
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
11. Dr. J
12. Moses
13. West
14. Oscar
15. Chokerlain (and I'm being generous here)

[LAZERUSS]

Damn, you're obsessed with LeBron's *****. What the **** is wrong with you?

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Shaq
4. LeBron
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Russell
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
11. Dr. J
12. Moses
13. West
14. Oscar
15. Chokerlain (and I'm being generous here)

And I'm being generous with LeChoke's size BTW...you could even claim "feeble" in that department.

1. Wilt
2. MJ
3. Magic
4. KAJ
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Lebron
9. Kobe
10. Bird
11. Dr. J (gotta count his ABA years as well)
12. Moses
13. Hakeem
14. West
15. Oscar

[aj1987]

And I'm being generous with LeChoke's size BTW...you could even claim "feeble" in that department.
:biggums: :biggums:

Why are you telling me that? I really don't care about another mans ***** and I'm sure AF not obsessed like you.


1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. Magic
4. KAJ
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Bird
10. Dr. J (gotta count his ABA years as well)
11. Moses
12. Hakeem
13. West
14. Oscar
15. Chokerlain

Terrible list, dude. LeBron is not #1 and Magic over KAJ? :facepalm

[Mr Feeny]

Wade's impact in the '14 Finals...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

ZERO.

Complete joke.

Was riding in the back of the bus in his '13 ring, as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306180MIA.html

Thank god for Ray Allen, or both Lebron and Wade would have one less ring.


Complete joke.

Much better than Ilt's 12 ppg 1969 finals?:(

[Papaya Petee]

Wilt was so bad

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