LMAO @ ESPN ranking Wade 27th best of all time...

[stalkerforlife]

Another blunder by that joke of a network.

Wade is easily top 20 all time and easily has a top 5-10 peak of all time.

When Wade was at his very best, there is absolutely not 10 players better than him all time. He was dominant on both ends of the court and was a top 5 defender at his position ALL TIME.

He absolutely should have 2 FMVP awards and 4 titles if it wasn't for Bran shitting the bed and throwing the series because Wade was the best player and Bran couldn't handle it.

[Dray n Klay]

So you're saying he's better than 12be?

[aj1987]

Another blunder by that joke of a network.

Wade is easily top 20 all time and easily has a top 5-10 peak of all time.

When Wade was at his very best, there is absolutely not 10 players better than him all time. He was dominant on both ends of the court and was a top 5 defender at his position ALL TIME.

He absolutely should have 2 FMVP awards and 4 titles if it wasn't for Bran shitting the bed and throwing the series because Wade was the best player and Bran couldn't handle it.
Agreed, OP.

MJ
KAJ
Shaq
Magic
Duncan
LeBron
Kobe
Russell
Bird
Hakeem
Chokerlain
Oscar
Moses
Dr. J
West
Malone
Barkley
Wade
Dirk
KG

6-17 are not in order, BTW.

[InsanityKills]

Justin......

[Lebron23]

He's the same tier as Kobe top 12-16.

[ScalsFan21]

I'm not gonna get into the whole LeBron or Kobe thing because I kind of hate how anything involving Wade devolves into either LeBron worship/hate.

But yeah I do think Wade has a strong case for top 20 of all-time, with a peak that probably exceeds even that.

[stalkerforlife]

He's the same tier as Kobe top 12-16.

Regardless, he is easily top 20 all time.

What you say about Kobe is irrelevant because of your hate.

[Swaggin916]

Agreed, OP.

MJ
KAJ
Shaq
Magic
Duncan
LeBron
Kobe
Russell
Bird
Hakeem
Chokerlain
Oscar
Moses
Dr. J
West
Malone
Barkley
Wade
Dirk
KG

6-17 are not in order, BTW.

I would take Wade over all those guys up to Hakeem. He is one of the few guys in NBA history who can take his team to the playoffs with virtually no help. He just makes other guys that much better. If Chris Paul wasn't such a choker in the playoffs he'd be right there too. Put him on any team they win 45+ games even the present Sixers.

[stephanieg]

When Wade was at his very best

[BasketballLove]

Anyone else think that best of all time is the most inaccurate and dumb metric? The bias is so strong..

[LAZERUSS]

Anyone else think that best of all time is the most inaccurate and dumb metric? The bias is so strong..

All we know is that it was a small and select list of unnamed editors and sports writers. For all we know, they blindly drew them out of a hat.

As for Wade...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

At his PEAK, he was considered the THIRD best player of his OWN era. And that was ONE year. The rest of his career, either a borderline Top-10 player, or not even that.

He reminds me of Hakeem. ONE MVP, ONE second, TWO 4ths, and six more borderline Top-10's...in his 18 season career and in his OWN era. Hell, in HALF of his career, he wasn't even considered a Top-10 player in his OWN era.

BTW, that one MVP came in a year in which the actual best player in the league, took the year off.

[BasketballLove]

All we know is that it was a small and select list of unnamed editors and sports writers. For all we know, they blindly drew them out of a hat.

As for Wade...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

At his PEAK, he was considered the THIRD best player of his OWN era. And that was ONE year. The rest of his career, either a borderline Top-10 player, or not even that.

He reminds me of Hakeem. ONE MVP, ONE second, TWO 4ths, and six more borderline Top-10's...in his 18 season career and in his OWN era. Hell, in HALF of his career, he wasn't even considered a Top-10 player in his OWN era.

BTW, that one MVP came in a year in which the actual best player in the league, took the year off.

I think his consistency and the amount of time that he's been doing at a high level play a very big part in why people think he's so great.

But yeah these things create controversy so they make them to get fans all boiled up, its honestly just bait for clicks.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Agreed, OP.

MJ
KAJ
Shaq
Magic
Duncan
LeBron
Kobe
Russell
Bird
Hakeem
Chokerlain
Oscar
Moses
Dr. J
West
Malone
Barkley
Wade
Dirk
KG

6-17 are not in order, BTW.

:applause:

[STATUTORY]

Prime Wade was the best player on a team with prime Lebron.

[Atlantis]

What Wade did in Miami was better than what Lebron did in Cleveland before they got together.

[Marchesk]

I would take Wade over all those guys up to Hakeem. He is one of the few guys in NBA history who can take his team to the playoffs with virtually no help. He just makes other guys that much better. If Chris Paul wasn't such a choker in the playoffs he'd be right there too. Put him on any team they win 45+ games even the present Sixers.

You'd take Wade over Moses Malone, who had 3 MVPs during Kareem's prime?

:facepalm

Wade isn't better than Dr J either. No way.

[derb2k2]

this is why I cringe everytime some posters on here or elsewhere say he's top 50 only. (lots of people say this)

[Wade's Rings]

I would take Wade over all those guys up to Hakeem. He is one of the few guys in NBA history who can take his team to the playoffs with virtually no help. He just makes other guys that much better.

:applause: :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

I would take Wade over all those guys up to Hakeem. He is one of the few guys in NBA history who can take his team to the playoffs with virtually no help. He just makes other guys that much better. If Chris Paul wasn't such a choker in the playoffs he'd be right there too. Put him on any team they win 45+ games even the present Sixers.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

His team went 10-41 WITH him, and with "no help." He also had three first round exits wrapped around that 10-41 season.

Clearly, he not only needed a ton of help...he needed Lebron to take over to win those two rings in '12 and '13.

Hakeem? Won one ring by outplaying a Ewing who had no more help than he had...and in a season in which the real best player in the look took the year off. And won another in a Finals in which he was brutalized by a 22 year old Shaq...but luckily for Olajuwon, his teammates badly outplayed Shaq's.

[kenny817]

I would take Wade over all those guys up to Hakeem. He is one of the few guys in NBA history who can take his team to the playoffs with virtually no help. He just makes other guys that much better. If Chris Paul wasn't such a choker in the playoffs he'd be right there too. Put him on any team they win 45+ games even the present Sixers.

Wade can take a team to the playoffs with virtually no help?

[LAZERUSS]

Wade can take a team to the playoffs with virtually no help?

No, but he can lead them to a 10-41 record with very little help.

[Wade's Rings]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

His team went 10-41 WITH him, and with "no help." He also had three first round exits wrapped around that 10-41 season.

Clearly, he not only needed a ton of help...he needed Lebron to take over to win those two rings in '12 and '13.

Hakeem? Won one ring by outplaying a Ewing who had no more help than he had...and in a season in which the real best player in the look took the year off. And won another in a Finals in which he was brutalized by a 22 year old Shaq...but luckily for Olajuwon, his teammates badly outplayed Shaq's.

Wade was hurt during the '07 Playoffs and the 2007-2008 Season. He lost to better teams in '09 & '10. You're trying too hard old man.

[LAZERUSS]

Wade was hurt during the '07 Playoffs and the 2007-2008 Season. He lost to better teams in '09 & '10. You're trying too hard old man.

Is he the only player to have ever lost to better teams?

Welcome to Wilt's world.

[Wade's Rings]

Is he the only player to have ever lost to better teams?

Welcome to Wilt's world.

Yet you're still blaming him for the losses but Wilt doesn't get blame :lol

Love how you ignore Wade's injuries the other 2 years classic Lazeruss.

[LAZERUSS]

Yet you're still blaming him for the losses but Wilt doesn't get blame :lol

Love how you ignore Wade's injuries the other 2 years classic Lazeruss.

Did I blame him for those losses?

BTW, Chamberlain was taking last place rosters to game seven's against 60+ HOF-laden teams in the EDF's.

But in any case...

Wilt lost to a far superior team in '60, '62, '64, '65,

a superior team in '66, a far superior team in '68 when you factor in injuries,

a superior team in '70, a far superior team in '71 (Wilt got his team to the WDF's without both West and Baylor),

and a superior team in '73 (SIX HOFers.)

You could argue '69, but again, poorly coached, and still one blwon play away from winning that series, 4-1.

[BedroomBully]

Regardless, he is easily top 20 all time.

What you say about Kobe is irrelevant because of your hate.
LOL the irony. Everything that comes out your mouth about Lebron is hate. Now go beat your 3 inches while your wife gets cuckd by the blk guys next door.

[aj1987]

Did I blame him for those losses?

BTW, Chamberlain was taking last place rosters to game seven's against 60+ HOF-laden teams in the EDF's.

But in any case...

Wilt lost to a far superior team in '60, '62, '64, '65,

a superior team in '66, a far superior team in '68 when you factor in injuries,

a superior team in '70, a far superior team in '71 (Wilt got his team to the WDF's without both West and Baylor),

and a superior team in '73 (SIX HOFers.)

You could argue '69, but again, poorly coached, and still one blwon play away from winning that series, 4-1.
2/7.

30

22

18

4-13 in a 2ot G7 loss.

Hold this L, Ilt stan.

[SexSymbol]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

His team went 10-41 WITH him, and with "no help." He also had three first round exits wrapped around that 10-41 season.

Clearly, he not only needed a ton of help...he needed Lebron to take over to win those two rings in '12 and '13.

Hakeem? Won one ring by outplaying a Ewing who had no more help than he had...and in a season in which the real best player in the look took the year off. And won another in a Finals in which he was brutalized by a 22 year old Shaq...but luckily for Olajuwon, his teammates badly outplayed Shaq's.
Hakeem absolutely outplayed Shaq, even Shaq himself admits it.
If you watched the finals of that year at all, you would have seen that, but you can't expect too much from a teen who has a fixation on wilt

[feyki]

Top 25 is fair for Wade but i don't say that for top 20 . Kareem,Wilt,Jordan,Duncan,Russell,Kobe,Lebron,Shaq ,Erving,West,Moses,Oscar,Mikan,Hakeem,Magic,Bird ; all those 16 baller have better career , there's no doubt in my mind about this .

Others are debatable . But I think or in my list , Wade had worse career than Karl,Barkley,Elgin,Pettit,Dirk and Havlicek . Garnett,Admiral and he arguably 23th best imo .

[Gileraracer]

Wade will forever be known as the guy who needed

- 17 free throws per game in the most rigged finals ever
- Lebron AND Bosh


to win a chip.

[Showtime2001]

If LeChoke didn't shit the bed as Wade's sidekick in the 2011 finals Wade would have 2 FMVP's.

[Dr Hawk]

If LeChoke didn't shit the bed as Wade's sidekick in the 2011 finals Wade would have 2 FMVP's.

This

[billbrasky87]

For me D Wade is somewhere between 25-30. He was the third best player back around 08-09 and 09-10 behind Kobe and LeBron and his finals against Dallas (the first time) was maybe the best Finals appearance I've seen. I think some people have forgotten how great some of the older players were though.

[navy]

I like all this attention Wade is getting.

Can we agree Wade > Dirk now?

[billbrasky87]

I like all this attention Wade is getting.

Can we agree Wade > Dirk now?

For me, its close but I give a slight edge to Wade.

[Alan Ogg]

The HEAT were purposely giving Wade no help to position themselves for the LeBron free agency. Wade took teams with Michael Beasley and an over the hill Jermaine O'Neal as their second best players to the playoffs , twice. Let that sink in, Michael Beasley.

[WayOfWad3]

For me, its close but I give a slight edge to Wade.
I do too, although Dirk is no slouch himself. Both are borderline top 20 all-time, mad respect to both

[greatest-ever]

Lazeruss said Wade was only top 5 once, and wasn't even top 10 in any other year, why are we feeding this assclown troll?

[Cold soul]

I like all this attention Wade is getting.

Can we agree Wade > Dirk now?

I give Wade slight edge both are close ranking wise for careers.

[greatest-ever]

For me D Wade is somewhere between 25-30. He was the third best player back around 08-09 and 09-10 behind Kobe and LeBron and his finals against Dallas (the first time) was maybe the best Finals appearance I've seen. I think some people have forgotten how great some of the older players were though.
I've yet to see a reasonable argument for Kobe over Wade in 09 and 10. Other than ringzzz that is.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lazeruss said Wade was only top 5 once, and wasn't even top 10 in any other year, why are we feeding this assclown troll?

I mean he is right to judge it off of MVP voting. I don't know anyone who thinks Wade > Billups in '06

[Jacks3]

lol @ Wade having a top ten peak ever. :oldlol:

[Captvic]

09 Wade is easily a top 15 player, but i'm assuming ESPN factored in longevity.

[Bigsmoke]

Wade at his peak was almost Kobe good

But 20-25 range seems right. He been hurt too much

[PP34Deuce]

I got Wade in the 25 spot. I believe he battles it out with Dirk, Garnett who are usually in everyones top 25-30 area.

[NBAGOAT]

I do too, although Dirk is no slouch himself. Both are borderline top 20 all-time, mad respect to both

I got Dirk slightly above Wade. What he did from 05-07 with just a decent team was just damn impressive even if it's not quite Wade 09 level. Also, he has a nice longevity edge for now.

[HiphopRelated]

The HEAT were purposely giving Wade no help to position themselves for the LeBron free agency. Wade took teams with Michael Beasley and an over the hill Jermaine O'Neal as their second best players to the playoffs , twice. Let that sink in, Michael Beasley.
Exactly, Beasley the Chinese superstar is a better player now than he was then and can't stick in the league for more than 3 months at a time.

And he was the 2nd/3rd option

[jrong]

If Wade had stayed healthy thoughout his career, he'd be a GOAT candidate, at least to the extent LeBron is. You have to remember that before 2006, he was cruising to the Finals in 2005 against the Pistons until he tore his abdominal (Shaq was already hurt).

If he picks up his first FMVP in 05, then we're looking at 06 being a repeat. If they lose to the Spurs, he still gets legacy points for leading his team to the Finals.

Then in 2007, if the shoulder injury doesn't happen, they're back in the Finals again. LeBron was great against the Pistons and all, but he wouldn't have beat a healthy Wade and a healthy Shaq by himself (and Shaq actually was healthy). So Wade would have either gotten another FMVP or at least another Finals appearance.

What does the NBA landscape look like if Wade leads a threepeat or repeat by his fourth year in the league?

And asking what if Wade never got hurt isn't the same thing as asking what if T-Mac or Penny don't get hurt. What we say about most players whose careers are derailed by injuries is that they could have become all-time greats if they hadn't gotten hurt. Wade is unique in that he became an all-time-great anyway (top 15 or 20 is his proper place), but injuries prevented him from being even greater.

[tpols]

If Wade had stayed healthy thoughout his career, he'd be a GOAT candidate, at least to the extent LeBron is. You have to remember that before 2006, he was cruising to the Finals in 2005 against the Pistons until he tore his abdominal (Shaq was already hurt).

If he picks up his first FMVP in 05, then we're looking at 06 being a repeat. If they lose to the Spurs, he still gets legacy points for leading his team to the Finals.

Then in 2007, if the shoulder injury doesn't happen, they're back in the Finals again. LeBron was great against the Pistons and all, but he wouldn't have beat a healthy Wade and a healthy Shaq by himself (and Shaq actually was healthy). So Wade would have either gotten another FMVP or at least another Finals appearance.

What does the NBA landscape look like if Wade leads a threepeat or repeat by his fourth year in the league?

And asking what if Wade never got hurt isn't the same thing as asking what if T-Mac or Penny don't get hurt. What we say about most players whose careers are derailed by injuries is that they could have become all-time greats if they hadn't gotten hurt. Wade is unique in that he became an all-time-great anyway (top 15 or 20 is his proper place), but injuries prevented him from being even greater.

thats a whole lot of what ifs..



But Wade didnt get hurt like tmac and penny.. sure hes had his injuries, but hes had a much longer prime than them and is even much healthier in old age.