Lebron is more valuable to his team than Curry is.

[livinglegend]

Warriors without Curry are still contenders.
They have been blowing teams out left, right.
Cavs without Lebron would be competing with the Lakers for the 2nd worst record.
Proof? Check Cavs' game without Lebron and check gsw's games without Curry.

[AirBonner]

op is correct

[LAZERUSS]

Can't argue with that.

You could make the case...FAR more valuable.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It is known.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Enough of these threads. Only Warrior/Laker/Curry fans will disagree with this absolute fact.

[Smoke117]

I don't think anyone can argue against that. (though I'm sure some of these haters will try)

[3ball]

I don't think anyone can argue against that. (though I'm sure some of these haters will try)


The GOAT impact on a DECENT team



The Bulls went from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team, back to 3-peat dynasty... Nuff said.



The GOAT impact on a LOTTERY team



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So heading into the 1990 season without Jordan, they were a lottery roster and headed nowhere - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty.. Massive difference.


Btw, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.



Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88).

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:




"When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team

[3ball]

I don't think anyone can argue against that. (though I'm sure some of these haters will try)
Whoops, wrong thread..

I meant to say that Lebron adds positive value on both offense and defense, while Curry only adds positive value on offense

[TheMarkMadsen]

lol the warriors without Curry lose to a healthy clippers team and lose to the Spurs in the WCF in 5 (if they play the blazers)

with Curry they are the greatest team of all time

[sundizz]

Kyrie, and Love with TT's offensive rebounding are literally as good as any team in the East. The East has a bunch of mediocre teams (as does the West). It is an odd year - GS, Spurs and Cavs are miles better than everyone else. Cleveland would have as much of a chance to come out of the East as anybody else.

[AirBonner]

The GOAT impact on a DECENT team



The Bulls went from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team, back to 3-peat dynasty... Nuff said.



The GOAT impact on a LOTTERY team



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So heading into the 1990 season without Jordan, they were a lottery roster and headed nowhere - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty.. Massive difference.


Btw, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.



Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88).

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:




"When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team
oh look a thread about LeBron and Curry and you are talking about Jordan. I'm surprised.

[Inferno]

Perks of being a GOAT team: still better than an 8th seed without their MVP :banana:

[livinglegend]

Kyrie, and Love with TT's offensive rebounding are literally as good as any team in the East. The East has a bunch of mediocre teams (as does the West). It is an odd year - GS, Spurs and Cavs are miles better than everyone else. Cleveland would have as much of a chance to come out of the East as anybody else.

Their play without Lebron doesn't show that.

[livinglegend]

lol the warriors without Curry lose to a healthy clippers team and lose to the Spurs in the WCF in 5 (if they play the blazers)

with Curry they are the greatest team of all time

Facts please. Nobody is interesed in your ****ing baseless predictions.

[Lebron23]

Facts please. Nobody is interesed in your ****ing baseless predictions.


Damn. Themarkmadsen got slayed.

[JohnMax]

Lebron's teams underachieve and lose to equal or less talented teams... Since Lebron significantly reduces the PPG and APG of his teammates, they aren't playing to capacity alongside him, so his TEAM never reaches it's ceiling and perennially underachieves.

Lebron's teams actually play more suboptimally than Nash and CP3's... Those guys dominate the ball too much, but all teams have a PG, and therefore a player that is low-assisted and dominates the ball... But Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance from the forward position gives his team a SECOND low-assisted, ball-dominator in addition to the PG.

This redundancy of ball-dominance and low-assisted play creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (Bird's Celtics, 90's Bulls, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

[Young X]

I agree with this.

Curry has been the #1 player this season. But sometimes there's a difference between how good a player is and how important they are to their teams. It's not always the same thing.

Because of how well-constructed and versatile they are on both ends, the Warriors can make up for his absence better than the other teams can with their best players.

The Cavs on the other hand look lost without Lebron. Lebron covers so many holes for them, they don't have anybody who can step in and provide what he does (to a lesser extent). Same thing with the Clippers, they look horrible whenever Paul isn't on the court because they don't have anybody that can duplicate what he brings. He does everything. Those guys are relied upon more than Curry is.

[Boogaboog]

Of course.

[Bankaii]

Lebron's teams underachieve and lose to equal or less talented teams... Since Lebron significantly reduces the PPG and APG of his teammates, they aren't playing to capacity alongside him, so his TEAM never reaches it's ceiling and perennially underachieves.

Lebron's teams actually play more suboptimally than Nash and CP3's... Those guys dominate the ball too much, but all teams have a PG, and therefore a player that is low-assisted and dominates the ball... But Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance from the forward position gives his team a SECOND low-assisted, ball-dominator in addition to the PG.

This redundancy of ball-dominance and low-assisted play creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (Bird's Celtics, 90's Bulls, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..
Did you seriously just straight up plagiarize 3Tard's post?:biggums:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11747286&postcount=24

[livinglegend]

Did you seriously just straight up plagiarize 3Tard's post?:biggums:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11747286&postcount=24

That guy has autistim for sure. :lol

[livinglegend]

I agree with this.

Curry has been the #1 player this season. But sometimes there's a difference between how good a player is and how important they are to their teams. It's not always the same thing.

Because of how well-constructed and versatile they are on both ends, the Warriors can make up for his absence better than the other teams can with their best players.

The Cavs on the other hand look lost without Lebron. Lebron covers so many holes for them, they don't have anybody who can step in and provide what he does (to a lesser extent). Same thing with the Clippers, they look horrible whenever Paul isn't on the court because they don't have anybody that can duplicate what he brings. He does everything. Those guys are relied upon more than Curry is.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[raprap]

Water is wet

[stephanieg]

Without Paul George, the Pacers couldn't beat the Beijing Ducks.

[sd3035]

Lebron's teams underachieve and lose to equal or less talented teams... Since Lebron significantly reduces the PPG and APG of his teammates, they aren't playing to capacity alongside him, so his TEAM never reaches it's ceiling and perennially underachieves.

Lebron's teams actually play more suboptimally than Nash and CP3's... Those guys dominate the ball too much, but all teams have a PG, and therefore a player that is low-assisted and dominates the ball... But Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance from the forward position gives his team a SECOND low-assisted, ball-dominator in addition to the PG.

This redundancy of ball-dominance and low-assisted play creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (Bird's Celtics, 90's Bulls, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

/thread

[WorldWarriors]

LOL You can say the same for any "one man" team. This was Harden's argument for MVP last season.

[Prime_Shaq]

While I agree, both teams are also built very differently. Cavs built their team around LeBron while Warriors built their team around Kerr's system.

[Mr. Jabbar]

In the finals lebron is more valuable to the opposing sf

delivered.

[Klayup]

True. But NOT because of actual basketball skills...

It's cuz he gets guys like Tristan Thompson them fat a$$ max deals...Harrison Barnes wants 5/90 but even Steph's MVP impact isn't enough:(