"Handchecking is illegal"

[Im Still Ballin]

Bitch, PLEASE.

It's 100% legal in the playoffs

Happened on pretty much every play tonight

[warriorfan]

anyone who tries to say handchecking is illegal straight up does not watch nba :lol

[9erempiree]

Only old timers would say it doesn't exist to prop up their childhood idol.

[DonDadda59]

The refs always allow more physicality in the playoffs. It's been that way since time immemorial. That's why you always see the pretenders fade away around this time of year. Also why games slow down and scoring decreases.

2/7 incoming. :applause:

[sd3035]

Curry was handchecked on nearly every possession of the season

[Im Still Ballin]

Yep

The Handcheck argument is irrelevant

[DonDadda59]

Nobody in today's league is seeing anything even remotely close to THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WpkXlrJxtw)

That's what people mean when they say 'handchecking'.

Stop it, son.

2/7.

Incoming.

[Im Still Ballin]

Illegal defense

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[DonDadda59]

Plenty of handchecking going on here. :applause:

http://pnimg.net/w/articles/0/455/a3716695cd.jpg

[3ball]

It's 100% legal in the playoffs

Happened on pretty much every play tonight



That's the amusing thing - today's dumb fan thinks what they see is "hand-checking" and that today's playoff physicality compares to previous eras


:yaohappy:


#cluelessnewfans

[aj1987]

The refs always allow more physicality in the playoffs. It's been that way since time immemorial. That's why you always see the pretenders fade away around this time of year. Also why games slow down and scoring decreases.

2/7 incoming. :applause:
That absolutely wrecks your theory of Curry sucking in the '90's. What was that you said? That he'd be worse than Dell? :oldlol:

28 PPG on 61% TS in '15.

[3ball]

That absolutely wrecks your theory of Curry sucking in the '90's. What was that you said? That he'd be worse than Dell? :oldlol:

28 PPG on 61% TS in '15.
The physicality in these playoffs doesn't compare to the physicality of the 90's.

Sorry to burst your bubble

[aj1987]

The physicality in these playoffs doesn't compare to the physicality of the 90's.

Sorry to burst your bubble
Curry >>>>>>>>>>> Ordan.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[9erempiree]

The physicality in these playoffs doesn't compare to the physicality of the 90's.

Sorry to burst your bubble

Please don't equate hard fouls to physicality.

The highlights tend to show hard fouls like it was the norm but it wasn't anymore physical then as it is now.

[3ball]

Ordan.



Jordan was a FAR better jumpshooter than Curry inside 20 feet:



.....................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/) <--- link to nba.com data

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 48.6%, 72 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997:. 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY.. 2015:. 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016:. 42.5%, 200 fga




Ironically, Jordan wouldn't even NEED his goat shooting to be the best in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Derozan, Butler and Wade had sub-par efficiency on 3-pointers and midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40) for most of their careers, but they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ the same way, except he'd have goat midrange shooting, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over the non-shooting Lebron, Westbrick and company.
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[aj1987]

Curry >>>>>>>> Ordan.
Agreed, 0ball.

[3ball]

Curry > JOrdan.



Jordan's 1991 was on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher points-per-possessions (ORtg) and Player Efficiency Rating, even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:



....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant..

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (while carrying the larger load on both ends)

[3ball]

Curry >>>>>>>>>>> JOrdan.



Jordan was involved in MORE possessions for his team (usage), while producing more per-possession (ORtg) - he simply DID MORE:



1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% Usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% Usage.. 125 ORtg



Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg


Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (per possession efficiency)






Curry is more efficient than Jordan


Not true - Curry is more efficient on a per SHOT basis, but Jordan was more efficient on a per POSSESSION basis (ortg), which is more important.

Jordan's higher per possession efficiency was due primarily to lower turnovers, but also because his superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) efficiency partially offset Curry's 3-point efficiency.







http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-30-2015/jkrR_v.gif


Curry spaces the floor


Jordan's spaces the floor more - when a dangerous rim attacker is on the floor, ALL defenders must cheat off their man (see Isiah Thomas above), which leaves 3-point shooters and other teammates more open than otherwise.. This is basketball 101.

Otoh, 3-point shooters only cause a single defender to hug them on the perimeter, which doesn't do shit BY ITSELF - it takes the entire Warrior team shooting 3-pointers TOGETHER to provide floor-spacing.

Essentially, 3-point shooters need teammates to help them space the floor, whereas a single rim attacker frees up teammates for open shots all by themselves, by forcing the entire defense to cheat off their man.
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[9erempiree]

You never watched Jordan. He never did the things you said he did. They never used advanced metrics back then and you are using it to justify whatever argument you are trying to say about him.

MJ had a good 3 point shot?:lol :lol :lol

[aj1987]

0ball melting down so hard, he's resorting to making up posts.


Curry >>>>>>>>> Ordan.

[3ball]

0ball melting down so hard, he's resorting to making up posts.


Curry >>>>>>>>> Ordan.
I'm quite satisfied with the set of facts I've presented in the thread here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12342836&postcount=15), here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12342860&postcount=17), and here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12342861&postcount=18), which show that Jordan's offense > Curry's

[aj1987]

I'm quite satisfied with the set of facts I've presented in the thread here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12342836&postcount=15), here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12342860&postcount=17), and here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12342861&postcount=18), which show that Jordan's offense > Curry's
Curry still >>>>>>> Ordan, 0ball.

73 >>>>> 72.

Deal with it.

[Straight_Ballin]

0ball melting down so hard, he's resorting to making up posts.


Curry >>>>>>>>> Ordan.

You just said a 1 way player who can't even win a DPOY award like MJ is > MJ.

:roll:

Curry is inferior to MJ. Can't even finish a finals without winning FMVP.:lol

[aj1987]

Curry >>>>>> MJ
Agreed.

[diamenz]

no. modern handchecking is not the same as what it was in the past.

[Im Still Ballin]

Handchecking is legal in the playoffs like how Don said teams zoned in the 90's under illegal defense rules

WE WIN

[sdot_thadon]

Op,
http://i.imgur.com/F4PIDJS.gif

[Im Still Ballin]

Op,
http://i.imgur.com/F4PIDJS.gif
lmao

[sd3035]

Ordan played against cupcake defense

[dannysc305]

What's handchecking and why can't u do it

[Sarcastic]

Curry can't stay healthy for even a game when the physicality picks up a tad

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pq2-roB58yE/UgVTWnCbSLI/AAAAAAAAGm8/U6j9t7PtQUY/s1600/Screen+Shot+2013-08-09+at+11.20.16+AM.png