Bloodbath STEM VS Bubble Bath Liberal Arts

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

in less than 3 Hours Im about to go through a toolshed and a pure blood bath for the next 6 hours. While Bubble bath Liberal art Students get to do projects and shitty presentations.


Blood Bath Stem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bubble bath Liberal Arts

[9erempiree]

Best thing I ever did was walkout of a classroom filled with nothing but women. No homo.

Late registration, needed a class, the class was open but I didn't know exactly what it was about. I just knew it was in the department/building that housed all the feminist propaganda. Walked into class late with a bunch of women staring....and then did this....

https://media.giphy.com/media/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW/giphy.gif

[nathanjizzle]

look at the two trumptards complaining about other people. Inferior. Insecure. Vulnerable boys.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Who says Im a trump supporter. I'm only complaining about how easy Liberal art students have it in school.

[9erempiree]

look at the two trumptards complaining about other people. Inferior. Insecure. Vulnerable boys.

That liberal logic.

Got triggered because we don't like Liberal Arts.

[9erempiree]

Who says Im a trump supporter. I'm only complaining about how easy Liberal art students have it in school.

His type of liberalism is very dangerous by assuming you are a Trump supporter.

He's the type to give a Black man $1 because he assumes the Black man is dumb and talks in Ebonics. He gives them the $1 because he assumes they can't get a job.

[masonanddixon]

STEM isn't difficult it's just a shitload of work.

The intelligent folk go into physics, mathematics, and chemistry. Engineering is for monkeys.

[9erempiree]

STEM isn't difficult it's just a shitload of work.

The intelligent folk go into physics, mathematics, and chemistry. Engineering is for monkeys.

No jobs though.

The monkey will be recruited by many though.

[nathanjizzle]

That liberal logic.

Got triggered because we don't like Liberal Arts.

you seem to only talk about people you dislike and hate than people you like. like i said. inferior, insecure and vulnerable. probably was never good enough for your dad, possibly even abused by your mom. sad.

[Spurs m8]

That liberal logic.

Got triggered because we don't like Liberal Arts.

First thing I though too.

Classic liberal logic.

Weak as p*ss.

[Hawker]

STEM isn't difficult it's just a shitload of work.

The intelligent folk go into physics, mathematics, and chemistry. Engineering is for monkeys.

The "S" in STEM stands for science dude which includes physics, math and chemistry.

[nathanjizzle]

First thing I though too.

Classic liberal logic.

Weak as p*ss.

youre so tough. you must be one of those blokes that frequent the bars.

[UK2K]

look at the two trumptards complaining about other people. Inferior. Insecure. Vulnerable boys.


^No idea what the thread is about, but rushes in to defend leftists behavior anyway.

[highwhey]

The "S" in STEM stands for science dude which includes physics, math and chemistry.
:roll:

Fail. He must be highly educated.

[nathanjizzle]

^No idea what the thread is about, but rushes in to defend leftists behavior anyway.

trumptard #3

[Bosnian Sajo]

The "S" in STEM stands for science dude which includes physics, math and chemistry.

Well Science doesn't include math, the "M" in STEM is for math.

Science. Technology. Engineering. Math.

That dumbass doesn't even realize all STEM students have to take a shit ton of math and science classes, nor does 9er who responded to him as if he has any clue in the matter. One of my tutors in school is a Master in Physics, has 2 Engineering degrees, and is currently working for his Doctorate in Physics. No jobs in the Chem/Physics fields? :oldlol:


He has a job waiting for him once he finished his PhD which pays on average 500k a year. Crazy amounts of school for a crazy amount of pay.


But yes OP, finish your STEM degree and you'll be set bruh. My homie just finished Industrial and Systems engineering, already got offered a job in Atlanta (and accepted) as a consultant making 68k right out of college (dude hasn't even walked yet, they already hired him). I'm going for Information Systems which is identical to a Systems engineer, just a different degree name and imo easier to finish, but employers look at that shit the same, real talk. You could be a Computer Science major doing the exact same job, working side by side with a Computer engineer and an IT major (least demanding of tech degrees), making the same salary.

I got broads in Atlanta.

[UK2K]

trumptard #3
So tolerant of you... making fun of mental disabilities.

You are the ideal Democrat. For being tolerant, you and DW sure like to use the word tard a lot.

[Bosnian Sajo]

So tolerant of you... making fun of mental disabilities.

You are the ideal Democrat. For being tolerant, you and DW sure like to use the word tard a lot.

lmao, so you admit being a Trump supporter equates to some kind of mental illness? :roll:

[Draz]

Where were you nerds when I was struggling with algebra
Fcking hate math never paid attention to it in my life
Made it out with a B+ in college or some shit

I'm not a math guy. I'm the you keep the change guy. Gotta brush up on some maths though. Take shit serious. People who exceed in math have a logical way of making decisions. People like myself need to really trust their judgement and I'm talking about real life scenarios math helps you where you don't see it.

[Dresta]

Rote memorisation isn't difficult, which is pretty much the basis of most STEM undergrad work (with a few exceptions).


Where were you nerds when I was struggling with algebra
Fcking hate math never paid attention to it in my life
Made it out with a B+ in college or some shit

I'm not a math guy. I'm the you keep the change guy. Gotta brush up on some maths though. Take shit serious. People who exceed in math have a logical way of making decisions. People like myself need to really trust their judgement and I'm talking about real life scenarios math helps you where you don't see it.
It's partly because schools don't bother teaching real mathematics: its purpose, meaning, philosophical foundations, relation to logic, etc.

They just teach you how to solve problems using pre-set methods, from dry and pedagogical textbooks. Almost no-one can find that kind of learning interesting. If they started you off with Euclid (a beautiful and brilliant book--the kind of thing that could trigger interest in the subject) and then something like Russell and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica for the more advanced, I think people would find the subject more interesting and engaging. As it is, kids only learn a bunch of methods which they have forgotten by the time they reach the age of 20. Thus it is all essentially a huge waste of time; might as well just teach arithmetic, and leave it at that.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Rote memorisation isn't difficult, which is pretty much the basis of most STEM undergrad work (with a few exceptions).



lmao, oh? Take an upper level Calculus class, let's see how Rote memorization works out for you :oldlol:

[Draz]

Rote memorisation isn't difficult, which is pretty much the basis of most STEM undergrad work (with a few exceptions).


It's partly because schools don't bother teaching real mathematics: its purpose, meaning, philosophical foundations, relation to logic, etc.

They just teach you how to solve problems using pre-set methods, from dry and pedagogical textbooks. Almost no-one can find that kind of learning interesting. If they started you off with Euclid (a beautiful and brilliant book--the kind of thing that could trigger interest in the subject) and then something like Russell and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica for the more advanced, I think people would find the subject more interesting and engaging. As it is, kids only learn a bunch of methods which they have forgotten by the time they reach the age of 20. Thus it is all essentially a huge waste of time; might as well just teach arithmetic, and leave it at that.

Definitely agree with you. There are some cases where social sciences help you, it has for me naturally. I haven't applied myself in much classes or reserved attention, it's common sense. Something you're naturally born with and mature as you age through expanding your capabilities through it. Math forcing the way in someones life help with the logical thing, but its one thing to have an answer through a method of solving and its another comprehending what you solved and why you solved it. It's exactly why social sciences shouldn't be underhanded. Some people don't have common sense, instincts and day to day instant reaction to problem solving techniques. I think maths and sciences are definitely required if the career you pick requires it on the day to day.

[DukeDelonte13]

Half my family are engineers. The thing that sucks about that particular field is one you hit your mid forties you are f*cked. Some kid that will earn a hell of a lot less is able to do your job for much cheaper and you get laid off.

I worked with a ton of 50 something year old engineers when I was at Kmart as a high schooler. It's crazy.

The ones that do really well are the ones that have people skills and wind up doing some sort of selling/consulting. They make the real big bucks and are difficult to replace.

I was studying to be an engineer but I switched majors beginning of my junior year. I didn't wanna go through life working on some obscure product or process for a company that'll probably wind up f*cking me at some point.

[Draz]

Half my family are engineers. The thing that sucks about that particular field is one you hit your mid forties you are f*cked. Some kid that will earn a hell of a lot less is able to do your job for much cheaper and you get laid off.

I worked with a ton of 50 something year old engineers when I was at Kmart as a high schooler. It's crazy.

The ones that do really well are the ones that have people skills and wind up doing some sort of selling/consulting. They make the real big bucks and are difficult to replace.

I was studying to be an engineer but I switched majors beginning of my junior year. I didn't wanna go through life working on some obscure product or process for a company that'll probably wind up f*cking me at some point.

My father just turned 50. He's a diesel engineer.. He's healthy as shit and plays cricket still on Sundays since he was a young boy. I guess that helped him continue to stay active and strong. The money is ridiculous though. I'm sure he's hit over 6 digits working for top million dollar companies (with time and a half of course) here in NY. Engineering is the best bang for your buck, but by 45/50/55 your body can't really last to 65. He has this small limp when he walks coming home from work, just exhausted and he runs the shop as the head guy in charge there. The money easily allowed him to buy a $700k house, fancy name brand cars (2 or more), handle bills, with room to go on vacation every year, go out to eat every few months at expensive restaurants as the only ever salary holder.

Engineering should never be looked down at. And that's coming from someone who dropped out of HS, no certification, no degrees, no education. Just a crazy drive to earn money and did one hell of a job being recognized by bosses from company to company where he gained the reputation. I wanted him to join the MTA and somehow get a supervisor job there.

I'm thinking myself to drop out of my BS program for Social Work & take a ASE certification program for 2 years then follow the same path. I'm on the edge right now to stay and pump thousands into a BS & MSW, then have to get my license as a LCSW, to be underpaid and high stressed environments.

If I can go back, @ 18 I'd learn that trade, by 21 I'd be making huge money. I fcked up.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Half my family are engineers. The thing that sucks about that particular field is one you hit your mid forties you are f*cked. Some kid that will earn a hell of a lot less is able to do your job for much cheaper and you get laid off.

I worked with a ton of 50 something year old engineers when I was at Kmart as a high schooler. It's crazy.

The ones that do really well are the ones that have people skills and wind up doing some sort of selling/consulting. They make the real big bucks and are difficult to replace.

I was studying to be an engineer but I switched majors beginning of my junior year. I didn't wanna go through life working on some obscure product or process for a company that'll probably wind up f*cking me at some point.

Well that just sounds ridiculous bro, working at kmart and you have an engineering degree? Having an engineering degree opens up more doors than just working as an engineer. If a person has 20 years experience, he won't be laid off for some college grad just because the college grad is "cheaper". They want the top candidates working for them. And even if they do get laid off, with 20yrs experience and an engineering degree, it should be relatively easy to find a new job, possibly completely unrelated to engineering, just because of your credentials.


Agreed with the consulting part though, that's where the money is at and imo, seems like it would be a more enjoyable/less demanding job. Are any of your family members consultants? What degree did they finish, and what kind of firm are they working for? Do they find their line of work enjoyable? Very interested in this field, it's what my degree is all about.

[Overdrive]

Rote memorisation isn't difficult, which is pretty much the basis of most STEM undergrad work (with a few exceptions).


It's partly because schools don't bother teaching real mathematics: its purpose, meaning, philosophical foundations, relation to logic, etc.

They just teach you how to solve problems using pre-set methods, from dry and pedagogical textbooks. Almost no-one can find that kind of learning interesting. If they started you off with Euclid (a beautiful and brilliant book--the kind of thing that could trigger interest in the subject) and then something like Russell and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica for the more advanced, I think people would find the subject more interesting and engaging. As it is, kids only learn a bunch of methods which they have forgotten by the time they reach the age of 20. Thus it is all essentially a huge waste of time; might as well just teach arithmetic, and leave it at that.

This. So much. I hated math in school, because it was simply boring. Problem x, formula y, solution z.

No thinking involved just learning the formulas and when to use them.

When I did my exams I suddenly gained interest in math, because I always loved physics. Well I studied that then - didn't finish it though - and math is a big junk of it and the language science is written/spoken in. No math, no chemistry, physics, biology, etc..

[DukeDelonte13]

Well that just sounds ridiculous bro, working at kmart and you have an engineering degree? Having an engineering degree opens up more doors than just working as an engineer. If a person has 20 years experience, he won't be laid off for some college grad just because the college grad is "cheaper". They want the top candidates working for them. And even if they do get laid off, with 20yrs experience and an engineering degree, it should be relatively easy to find a new job, possibly completely unrelated to engineering, just because of your credentials.


Agreed with the consulting part though, that's where the money is at and imo, seems like it would be a more enjoyable/less demanding job. Are any of your family members consultants? What degree did they finish, and what kind of firm are they working for? Do they find their line of work enjoyable? Very interested in this field, it's what my degree is all about.

Well you may not like it but that's reality. My father in law was a mech E. Happened to him. My mother in law was a chem E, happened to her. They both worked for GE. One uncle is a PHD chem E, he just got laid off as he approached 60. I got another aunt/uncle duo who both have CS degrees, one is employed the other isn't.

I got one uncle that's a petroleum engineer who currently banks and has banked, he does the consulting side of things, but he's about to be let go. (he's made his money though.) My cousin is a young mech E who was working at GE but just got laid off.

One of my good buddies from school went elec. E and got a job with the federal government. He's set for life. His job has nothing to do with electrical engineering or any sort of engineering for that matter.

Engineering isn't some slam dunk field that colleges make it out to be. My brother in law is a civil engineer and he works his ass off in some cubicle with a hundred other dudes doing the same thing, and he was a top student in his masters class.

If you have the discipline to do the advanced math and chems i'd say your best bet is to get into medicine.

[Draz]

That's exactly what it is. You're conditioning your mind to remember formulas. Majority of the time it's common sense through basic training and remembering, others its provided. I'm not saying it's not important, it's more important to have a mind conditioned and programmed than it is to succeed through passion, common sense and drive. Your chances of being safer, in a better environment, without being harmed and constantly working your way up through promotions are guaranteed through your capabilities as opposed to the other, where your work ethic and success is shown through what you've accomplished, what you've already provided and your strengths through the alternatives.

[DeuceWallaces]

Well you may not like it but that's reality. My father in law was a mech E. Happened to him. My mother in law was a chem E, happened to her. They both worked for GE. One uncle is a PHD chem E, he just got laid off as he approached 60. I got another aunt/uncle duo who both have CS degrees, one is employed the other isn't.

I got one uncle that's a petroleum engineer who currently banks and has banked, he does the consulting side of things, but he's about to be let go. (he's made his money though.) My cousin is a young mech E who was working at GE but just got laid off.

One of my good buddies from school went elec. E and got a job with the federal government. He's set for life. His job has nothing to do with electrical engineering or any sort of engineering for that matter.

Engineering isn't some slam dunk field that colleges make it out to be. My brother in law is a civil engineer and he works his ass off in some cubicle with a hundred other dudes doing the same thing, and he was a top student in his masters class.

If you have the discipline to do the advanced math and chems i'd say your best bet is to get into medicine.

As you alluded to, Federal, State and Academia you're protected for the most part. Can't drop a tenured faculty or GS-13 Federal Engineer/Scientist when they hit 68 for some dipshit straight out of grad school. Of course, you don't make the bank as in the private sector, but you're also not subject to all the bullshit in the private sector. Or maybe I should say a different type of bullshit.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Nah, I can't **** with the medical field, not only is the schooling rigorous and takes you forever to finish (I wanna be on my own making cash in my mid 20's, not in school until I'm 30) but the hospitals in this country are dirty af. It's a business, they couldn't give less of a **** about the people themselves.


Plus I like the field I'm in. Sorry to hear about your fam though, that's rough that everyone got laid off...where's yall at, Ohio?

[DeuceWallaces]

This. So much. I hated math in school, because it was simply boring. Problem x, formula y, solution z.

No thinking involved just learning the formulas and when to use them.

When I did my exams I suddenly gained interest in math, because I always loved physics. Well I studied that then - didn't finish it though - and math is a big junk of it and the language science is written/spoken in. No math, no chemistry, physics, biology, etc..

For me it was because biology and other "molecular" disciplines treated it backwards in my opinion. When I was 20-24 I had no interest in memorizing that bullshit. It was so boring, while I found 400 level theoretical sociology and ecology classes very compelling. Therefore, I navigated my through undergrad in degrees that I could avoid all the shit I had no interest in.

After learning all the theory and working for 2-3 years post undergrad, I became very interested in the smaller scale components of plant/forest biology and physiology. Hence, when I got into my M.S. program I did nothing but take 600 level physiology and ecophysiology classes because I wanted to know everything else that was happening and understand the minutia of processes and mechanisms I'd been seeing unfold everyday in the field for the previous 3 years.

I think many STEM undergrad programs are sequenced in a way that make it difficult for people to get into them at a younger age.

[DukeDelonte13]

Nah, I can't **** with the medical field, not only is the schooling rigorous and takes you forever to finish (I wanna be on my own making cash in my mid 20's, not in school until I'm 30) but the hospitals in this country are dirty af. It's a business, they couldn't give less of a **** about the people themselves.


Plus I like the field I'm in. Sorry to hear about your fam though, that's rough that everyone got laid off...where's yall at, Ohio?




we all fine ! (they are all my in-laws anyways! :oldlol: ) You make your money you just don't seem to get to retire when you want is all. They are all spread out across the country. I live in ohio though.

[masonanddixon]

The "S" in STEM stands for science dude which includes physics, math and chemistry.

Yes but it's not like anyone does those three fields. STEM is really just code for engineering. Thats why engineers are so adamant to prop themselves up as 'STEM' majors. Any who majors in mathematics, physics, or chemistry would simply state the field of science in which they earned their degree.

And some liberal arts fields like philosophy are significantly more intellectually taxing than engineering.

[masonanddixon]

Well Science doesn't include math, the "M" in STEM is for math.

Science. Technology. Engineering. Math.

That dumbass doesn't even realize all STEM students have to take a shit ton of math and science classes, nor does 9er who responded to him as if he has any clue in the matter. One of my tutors in school is a Master in Physics, has 2 Engineering degrees, and is currently working for his Doctorate in Physics. No jobs in the Chem/Physics fields? :oldlol:


He has a job waiting for him once he finished his PhD which pays on average 500k a year. Crazy amounts of school for a crazy amount of pay.


But yes OP, finish your STEM degree and you'll be set bruh. My homie just finished Industrial and Systems engineering, already got offered a job in Atlanta (and accepted) as a consultant making 68k right out of college (dude hasn't even walked yet, they already hired him). I'm going for Information Systems which is identical to a Systems engineer, just a different degree name and imo easier to finish, but employers look at that shit the same, real talk. You could be a Computer Science major doing the exact same job, working side by side with a Computer engineer and an IT major (least demanding of tech degrees), making the same salary.

I got broads in Atlanta.


No I realise engineering involves APPLIED mathematics. There's a distinct difference between the pure sciences and engineering, but I doubt you're able to perceive it.

[Bosnian Sajo]

No I realise engineering involves APPLIED mathematics. There's a distinct difference between the pure sciences and engineering, but I doubt you're able to perceive it.

But you were talking about STEM, which stands for:

S..........T................E.................M.
Science. Technology. Engineering. Mathematics.


Why are you singling out Engineering, when that is only 1 of the 4 STEM programs? Is it finally making sense to you, genius? Or you wanna keep making yourself look illiterate? This nut hasn't even heard about STEM before :roll: He thinks that STEM is just engineering :facepalm

[masonanddixon]

But you were talking about STEM, which stands for:

S..........T................E.................M.
Science. Technology. Engineering. Mathematics.


Why are you singling out Engineering, when that is only 1 of the 4 STEM programs? Is it finally making sense to you, genius? Or you wanna keep making yourself look illiterate? This nut hasn't even heard about STEM before :roll: He thinks that STEM is just engineering :facepalm

No, you mouthbreather, my point is that the term STEM essentially was created to highlight engineering. When I was in college, literally all the engineers would refer to themselves as STEM majors to try to pretend they were smarter than liberal arts folk, and all the real science majors would laugh at them.

No one with a math/chemistry/physics degree (one of which I have) refers to themselves as a STEM major; only engineers do this because they want to feel intelligent when the reality is that engineering is simply a vocational field with some applied science but which doesn't teach you any critical thinking or logical skills.

It's like the equivalent of a PHD graduate wanting to refer to themselves as a doctor; real doctors laugh at the title, much like a physicist would laugh at being lumped in with an engineer.

[highwhey]

No, you mouthbreather, my point is that the term STEM essentially was created to highlight engineering. When I was in college, literally all the engineers would refer to themselves as STEM majors to try to pretend they were smarter than liberal arts folk, and all the real science majors would laugh at them.

No one with a math/chemistry/physics degree (one of which I have) refers to themselves as a STEM major; only engineers do this because they want to feel intelligent when the reality is that engineering is simply a vocational field with some applied science but which doesn't teach you any critical thinking or logical skills.

It's like the equivalent of a PHD graduate wanting to refer to themselves as a doctor; real doctors laugh at the title, much like a physicist would laugh at being lumped in with an engineer.
How stupid are you? You realize many PHDs are doing research that lead to new discoveries that lead to new treatments and therapies? Where the fck do you think medicine gets its advancements from? Medical Physicians rely on research from PHDs you idiot.

[masonanddixon]

How stupid are you? You realize many PHDs are doing research that lead to new discoveries that lead to new treatments and therapies? Where the fck do you think medicine gets its advancements from? Medical Physicians rely on research from PHDs you idiot.

Did you fail the SAT, son?

[Dresta]

Is this fool trying to argue that being an md is superior and more difficult than say, landing a team leader position in a cancer research field?

LOL, so many ignorant mds out there. Most of them (GPs, that is) can only follow the instructions given to them in a book, and badly at that. Psychiatrists are even worse, the way they tamper and experiment with people's brains, getting the entire nation hooked on poorly understood narcotics.

[falc39]

No, you mouthbreather, my point is that the term STEM essentially was created to highlight engineering. When I was in college, literally all the engineers would refer to themselves as STEM majors to try to pretend they were smarter than liberal arts folk, and all the real science majors would laugh at them.

No one with a math/chemistry/physics degree (one of which I have) refers to themselves as a STEM major; only engineers do this because they want to feel intelligent when the reality is that engineering is simply a vocational field with some applied science but which doesn't teach you any critical thinking or logical skills.

It's like the equivalent of a PHD graduate wanting to refer to themselves as a doctor; real doctors laugh at the title, much like a physicist would laugh at being lumped in with an engineer.

Lolllll chip on your shoulder? Engineers use critical thinking all the time. The skill set required to be a good engineer is a lot more than what you led yourself to believe in.

[Bosnian Sajo]

lmao who tf is this guy :lol


What "degree" do you have?

[masonanddixon]

Is this fool trying to argue that being an md is superior and more difficult than say, landing a team leader position in a cancer research field?

LOL, so many ignorant mds out there. Most of them (GPs, that is) can only follow the instructions given to them in a book, and badly at that. Psychiatrists are even worse, the way they tamper and experiment with people's brains, getting the entire nation hooked on poorly understood narcotics.

I'm sorry you failed organic chemistry, man.

[ace23]

Rote memorisation isn't difficult, which is pretty much the basis of most STEM undergrad work (with a few exceptions).


It's partly because schools don't bother teaching real mathematics: its purpose, meaning, philosophical foundations, relation to logic, etc.

They just teach you how to solve problems using pre-set methods, from dry and pedagogical textbooks. Almost no-one can find that kind of learning interesting. If they started you off with Euclid (a beautiful and brilliant book--the kind of thing that could trigger interest in the subject) and then something like Russell and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica for the more advanced, I think people would find the subject more interesting and engaging. As it is, kids only learn a bunch of methods which they have forgotten by the time they reach the age of 20. Thus it is all essentially a huge waste of time; might as well just teach arithmetic, and leave it at that.
:rolleyes: lol

This is the most pretentious post I've read on this site.

[nathanjizzle]

:rolleyes: lol

This is the most pretentious post I've read on this site.

hes skurred because hes a philosopher, not a technical minded person. it intimidates him.

[masonanddixon]

:rolleyes: lol

This is the most pretentious post I've read on this site.

He's the board's resident pseuointellectual. It takes him about a hundred words to write what could have been said in five words, and it's all about serving his own circuitous beliefs.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No point debating on which one's difficult. Each soul on this board has its particular areas of interest.

So let's get started on the discussion men.

From a practical medicinal standpoint, are there pasttimes that are more conducive to one's overall health than basketball and message boarding? If so, choose and explain why with reasoning. To combat depression what are some steps one can undertake; and utilize neuroscience and quantifiable values ie. hormone levels to illustrate your point.

From an engineering standpoint, what can a group of rag-tag individuals brainstorm or construct that can have lasting impact on the world in the future?


From a theological standpoint, what can the people of ISH do to increase their faith in God and do better works for humanity?


From a philosophical standpoint, analogize the journey of life to a year as a player in the NBA, utilizing what you know of life's purpose, aim and meaning and creating parallels in an illustrious fashion. Don't hesitate to cite examples from thinkers with Lao Tzu all the way to Spinoza.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

hes skurred because hes a philosopher, not a technical minded person. it intimidates him.

.... He studies economics....

And Philosophy and all it's extensions; metaphysics, ethics, and just sharpening one's reasoning via metacognition apply to any and all domains. Ethically speaking, pharmacists REALLY have to ask themselves if what they're doing is right from a sense of Kantian duties (What is man's duty to another man in the healing professions? What is his overall intellectual responsibility?), from Utilitarianiasm's GHP, from Aristotle's virtues, from the classic American sense of freedom and self-reliance. There are 3-4 year olds hooked on various prescriptions right now and the number is growing.

[highwhey]

.... He studies economics....

And Philosophy and all it's extensions; metaphysics, ethics, and just sharpening one's reasoning via metacognition apply to any and all domains. Ethically speaking, pharmacists REALLY have to ask themselves if what they're doing is right from a sense of Kantian duties (What is man's duty to another man in the healing professions? What is his overall intellectual responsibility?), from Utilitarianiasm's GHP, from Aristotle's virtues, from the classic American sense of freedom and self-reliance. There are 3-4 year olds hooked on various prescriptions right now and the number is growing.
You realize a pharmacist's job is not to issue prescriptions right? Medical Practitioners licensed in their state issue out prescriptions, pharmacists just sign off on it to make sure the dosage is in line with the recommended treatment and that the medication is the correct given the intended therapy. Ultimately, a Pharmacist may deny a high dosage of narcotics, but that medical practitioner and his patient will find another pharmacist who will fill it. Also, that high dosage may be for a cancer patient, ethics does not play a role in free market america.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

You realize a pharmacist's job is not to issue prescriptions right? Medical Practitioners licensed in their state issue out prescriptions, pharmacists just sign off on it to make sure the dosage is in line with the recommended treatment and that the medication is the correct given the intended therapy. Ultimately, a Pharmacist may deny a high dosage of narcotics, but that medical practitioner and his patient will find another pharmacist who will fill it. Also, that high dosage may be for a cancer patient, ethics does not play a role in free market america.

Apologies, you rightfully revealed my ignorance on the system of the industry.

Still, a new idea is brought up. Innocent Bystander Effect. What responsibility does man have to forbid evil?

[Dresta]

hes skurred because hes a philosopher, not a technical minded person. it intimidates him.
Philosophy is pretty damn technical. If you want to see this for yourself, you should try reading Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, found online here:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5740/5740-pdf.pdf

From 5th section (considering you probably won't bother to look into it):
[QUOTE]

5 Propositions are truth-functions of elementary propositions.
(An elementary proposition is a truth-function of itself.)

5.01 The elementary propositions are the truth-arguments of propositions.

5.02 It is natural to confuse the arguments of functions with the indices of names. For I recognize the meaning of the sign containing it from the argument just as much as from the index. In Russell’s “+c”, for example, “c” is an index which indicates that the whole sign is the addition sign for cardinal numbers.
But this way of symbolizing depends on arbitrary agreement, and one could choose a simple sign instead of “+c”: but in “∼p” “p” is not an index but an argument; the sense of “∼p” cannot be understood, unless the sense of “p” has previously been understood. (In the name Julius C

[Dresta]

You realize a pharmacist's job is not to issue prescriptions right? Medical Practitioners licensed in their state issue out prescriptions, pharmacists just sign off on it to make sure the dosage is in line with the recommended treatment and that the medication is the correct given the intended therapy. Ultimately, a Pharmacist may deny a high dosage of narcotics, but that medical practitioner and his patient will find another pharmacist who will fill it. Also, that high dosage may be for a cancer patient, ethics does not play a role in free market america.
Oh, it most certainly does. It is just an assumed ethics of a rather narrow utilitarianism, managed by the calculations of cost/benefit analysis (which never capture the whole picture).

e.g.:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2012-09-12/the-stunning-triumph-of-cost-benefit-analysis

This can only be based upon ethical assumptions. I think Tocqueville said something about Americans like "never have a people been so philosophical in outlook and assumptions, while being so disdainful of philosophy proper." He was right in 1830, and he continues to be right today. You say ethics doesn't play a role in free market America, but free market proponents almost always try to justify their doctrines on a utilitarian basis (i.e. it's better for everyone in the long-run).


lmao, oh? Take an upper level Calculus class, let's see how Rote memorization works out for you :oldlol:
I said there were a few exceptions, and so you decide to quote back at me...an exception. Not to mention i've had to take classes that include advanced calculus, and from my experience, they aren't difficult, and can be learned by rote as well. A friend of mine, for Advanced Quants (mostly applied calculus), distilled everything that you needed to learn to get a 2:1 (second highest grade in UK), onto a sheet and a half of A4 paper. Now, i'm not saying this is the way to go to get a firm grasp of the subject, just that you can get by doing it, in most cases.

Or are you trying to say that most STEM students are rigorous mathematicians? LOL.


:rolleyes: lol

This is the most pretentious post I've read on this site.
And yet multiple people, who i've never seen anyone call "pretentious" said that this was their experience learning mathematics in school. So i really don't care if you think it's "pretentious" to state facts about the poor and unengaging way in which people are educated. Honestly, what could be more pretentious than taking the trouble to quote someone just so you can enjoy the privilege of declaring them "pretentious?"

[ace23]

And yet multiple people, who i've never seen anyone call "pretentious" said that this was their experience learning mathematics in school. So i really don't care if you think it's "pretentious" to state facts about the poor and unengaging way in which people are educated. Honestly, what could be more pretentious than taking the trouble to quote someone just so you can enjoy the privilege of declaring them "pretentious?"
And they suggested that schools should start 18-year-olds off with Euclid's Elements and teach them about the philosophical foundations of mathematics? Lol you can teach things in an interesting way without getting that deep. Most non-math majors are not going to be interested in that shit.

What adv. math classes have you taken that you were able to do well in through rote memorization? Just curious.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I said there were a few exceptions, and so you decide to quote back at me...an exception. Not to mention i've had to take classes that include advanced calculus, and from my experience, they aren't difficult, and can be learned by rote as well. A friend of mine, for Advanced Quants (mostly applied calculus), distilled everything that you needed to learn to get a 2:1 (second highest grade in UK), onto a sheet and a half of A4 paper. Now, i'm not saying this is the way to go to get a firm grasp of the subject, just that you can get by doing it, in most cases.

Or are you trying to say that most STEM students are rigorous mathematicians? LOL.



Idk about mathematicians, but we definitely know and understand math a hell of a lot more than the average college grad. I've already taken (and passed, thankfully) 6 math classes in my undergrad, god knows what is waiting for me once I transfer this summer. And idk how you can claim calculus is easy, that shit kicked my ass. Derivatives and the simple shit is easy, of course, but once you get deeper into it, it keeps getting more and more difficult.

[Hawker]

Dresta isn't 100% wrong.

The only way I was able to pass STEM math classes was to do old tests and practice problems over and over again. That's not to say I'm not intelligent but I just couldn't get by without putting in a lot of work. There are some that no matter how much work they put in would not be able to do calculus.

It's not really the math though. It's the physics you can't get by without understanding. It's the poisson's ratio and young's modulus in a mechanics class you can't get by without understanding. Thermodynamics helps you understand why certain appliances work. You can't rote memorize that. These help you understand why the physical world works.

Not terribly difficult concepts but nevertheless you have to be able to comprehend what's going on. Engineers are taught to think...that's why you see them in sales positions, law positions, managerial positions, accounting positions etc. because they have a mindset that is a step up from the biz majors. It's the thought process that gets you to a solution is what's important, not necessarily knowing that the derivative of a velocity equation is equal to acceleration.

Current STEM majors shouldn't be ignorant like I was though and consider doing some philosophy reading or economics classes. Or some side reading. Pick one that won't require too much essay writing. Just learning and reading. Those are important to learn to make yourself a well rounded individual but not something that should be majored in. You can disagree but governments are having issues getting their loans paid back because students study useless degrees that don't pay.