Michael Jordan was human

[AirBonner]

How come no one talks about this performance? 9/35 fg 26% ECF 1997 game 4 :biggums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD9FhE6d6Gw

[FKAri]

Wouldn't make a summer league roster in 2016. Those nigguhs didn't even have smartphones or internet back then. How well could these cavemen have really balled? :lol

[3ball]

How come no one talks about Jordan's worst games


Because his worst games aren't as bad as the worst games of other all-time greats, and he had far LESS bad games than other all-time greats.

Jordan's career low in the playoffs was 15 points, and he scored less than 20 points only 6 times in 179 playoff games, NEVER in the Finals.. He never scored less than 22 in the Finals (33.4 career average in playoffs and Finals on 50%).





:biggums:


Even in Jordan's "bad" games, he was still the star - most people think he had a bad game in Game 6 of 1996 Finals..

But in reality, he had 22/9/7 and held his defensive assignment (Hawkins) to 4 points, which was 12 points below his average - this is significant because the Bulls WON by 12 and Jordan was the only Bull to lock his man down - everyone else got destroyed: Schrempf destroyed Pippen for 23 points on 59%, Payton destroyed Harper for 21 points on 70%, and Kemp destroyed Rodman for 18/10 on 47%.
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[beastee]

Total body of work. Something the simple minded like you could never comprehend.

[AirBonner]

His total body of work was 1-9 (1-10 if you count Charlotte) before Pippen. He could get away with these type of games because of a GOAT supporting cast.

[3ball]

He could get away with these type of games because of a GOAT supporting cast.


Ridiculous - Jordan's lesser supporting cast forced him to have FEWER bad games than any other all-time great

Even in Jordan's "bad" games, he was still the star - most people think he had a bad game in Game 6 of 1996 Finals..

But in reality, he had 22/9/7 and held his defensive assignment (Hawkins) to 4 points, which was 12 points below his average - this is significant because the Bulls WON by 12 and Jordan was the only Bull to lock his man down - everyone else got destroyed: Schrempf destroyed Pippen for 23 points on 59%, Payton destroyed Harper for 21 points on 70%, and Kemp destroyed Rodman for 18/10 on 47%.

[AirBonner]

Ridiculous - Jordan's lesser supporting cast forced him to have FEWER bad games than any other all-time great
Jordan made his teammates into LESSER players so Jordan could get his stats.

[ClipperRevival]

Jordan made his teammates into LESSER players so Jordan could get his stats.

No ignorant one. Your theory might hold more weight if MJ kept getting bounced in the playoffs but the dude won 6 rings with 6 fmvp. Not to mention, he is the all time leader in PER for both regular season and playoffs. So he had GOAT level efficiency to go with the high volume.

It's alright man. When you get older, you'll realize the truth. Right now, you're in your teen, puberty stage and think LeBron was as good as it ever gets.

[AirBonner]

No ignorant one. Your theory might hold more weight if MJ kept getting bounced in the playoffs but the dude won 6 rings with 6 fmvp. Not to mention, he is the all time leader in PER for both regular season and playoffs. So he had GOAT level efficiency to go with the high volume.

It's alright man. When you get older, you'll realize the truth. Right now, you're in your teen, puberty stage and think LeBron was as good as it ever gets.
He DID get bounced from the playoffs playing with GOAT numbers. 1-9 without Pippen.

[3ball]

Jordan made his teammates into LESSER players so Jordan could get his stats.
Factually inaccurate - depending on the year, the stats show that Pippen and Grant played between 90% and FULL CAPACITY next to Jordan, compared to their stats without Jordan in 1994.

Otoh, the teammates of Lebron play to 50% capacity in some cases.. And it's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that he achieves his assists by reducing teammates' assists and stripping them of their playmaking duties (he turns teammates into play-finishers).

[ClipperRevival]

He DID get bounced from the playoffs playing with GOAT numbers. 1-9 without Pippen.

Against elite to GOAT level teams when his teams were the 8th seed. But yeah, you expect him to just do it all himself right? Like I said, it's ok little Bron fan. You'll learn in due time. About 10 years from now, when you are old and wiser, you'll say, "Damn, those MJ fans on ISH were right about MJ."

[AirBonner]

Against elite to GOAT level teams when his teams were the 8th seed. But yeah, you expect him to just do it all himself right? Like I said, it's ok little Bron fan. You'll learn in due time. About 10 years from now, when you are old and wiser, you'll say, "Damn, those MJ fans on ISH were right about MJ."
Basically Jordan needed WEAK competition to succeed. I know.

[3ball]

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PIPPEN 1992:. 21.0 ppg.. 7.7 rpg.. 7.1 apg.. 50.6 fg
PIPPEN 1994:. 22.0 ppg.. 8.7 rpg.. 5.6 apg.. 49.1 fg

GRANT 1992:. 14/10
GRANT 1994:. 15/10


Depending on the year, the stats show that Pippen and Grant played between 90% and FULL CAPACITY next to Jordan, compared to their stats without Jordan in 1994.

Otoh, the teammates of Lebron play to 50% capacity in some cases.. And it's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that he achieves his assists by reducing teammates' assists and stripping them of their playmaking duties (he turns teammates into play-finishers).

[Dr Hawk]

Goat

[3ball]

Basically Jordan needed WEAK competition to succeed. I know.
Jordan defeated opponents with FAR better records to accomplish 6/6 than Lebron defeated to accomplish 2/6

Specifically, he defeated THREE TIMES the number of 50-win teams in the playoffs that Lebron did.

You're just wrong all over the place itt

[AirBonner]

Jordan defeated opponents with FAR better records to accomplish 6/6 than Lebron defeated to accomplish 2/6

Specifically, he defeated THREE TIMES the number of 50-win teams in the playoffs that Lebron did.

You're just wrong all over the place itt
it was a weak time period. The 90's was far weaker than the 80's

[Steven Kerry]

It is quite crazy that there is only 1 truly bad game to point out. Everybody else has many.

[Straight_Ballin]

Basically Jordan needed WEAK competition to succeed. I know.

Until I see another player that is at least 6/6 with 6 FMVP, you haven't shown me shit. Not even the face of the league, Curry, was able to win a FMVP, and you want to talk about the mediocre career of a man who is currently 2/6 in the finals after CHOOSING his team to play for on 2 separate occasions? Do you have a time machine that the rest of us don't know about to re-write history? The only thing we've seen since MJ are players less skilled than he.

The flaw in your teen logic is that Jordan was superior to his competition when you take total body of work into account than any other player in the history of the game relative to their competition. Lebron failed 4 times in the finals, colluded twice, and now despite being on the most expensive team in the league will fail again and go 2/7.

This is nothing more than an "I told you so" moment waiting to happen where the lebron stans disappear for months in sorrow once 2/7 occurs, just like they did the other 4 times that he lost in the finals.

Jordan generation stays winning while lebron generation stays losing.

What else is new. :confusedshrug: It's been the same for the last 18 years and it will be the same for another 18+ years.

[AirBonner]

It is quite crazy that there is only 1 truly bad game to point out. Everybody else has many.
1996 72-10 season he closed out the season shooting 5/19
1998 first finals game he shot 13-29
1998 finals game 5 he shot 9/26
1996 finals game 4 he shot 6/19