View Full Version : Pistons 2016 Offseason Moves
I think the first one we should talk about is the draft. I just saw an article today that had 8 people that could fall to us. I would have to guess we are definitely not trading that pick after the Motiejunas thing lol.
http://www.freep.com/picture-gallery/sports/nba/pistons/2016/05/03/8-possible-pistons-draft-targets-10/83874270/
I could see the Pistons looking at Sabonis. He's all over in the mock drafts though. Some people have him getting drafted in the top 10. Outside of s stretch 4 I think they'll be looking at backup PG's. It seems like we have a ton of SG's and SF's now.
Blake wants to play one more year in the NBA and stay in Detroit....
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/05/03/detroit-pistons-steve-blake-one-year/83899636/
I think it wouldn't be wise to tie up cap space in bringing him back. A young guy is much cheaper. He should try to land with a contender. I think he's just saying he wants to stay in Detroit to try to create a market for himself. There's probably not a lot of teams that are going to be interested. At 36 he's about done.
Aussie Dunker
05-04-2016, 06:05 PM
As a player it makes absolutely no sense to bring him back - but from a locker room perspective, apparently he is incredibly valuable. A true profesional presence and mentor / role model for all of our young core to look up to. Almost more like an assistant coach than a player.
However, all of that is nice, but he CAN NOT be our primary back up to Reggie. That will just not work. I think he needs to retire.
I always said how the Pistons had terrible luck in the lottery. Well, this article just confirmed that more. Detroit did do the a good job with the picks they had though.
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/5/18/11700548/nba-draft-2016-lucky-lottery-teams-2013-2015-pistons-76ers
Seth Curry is a RFA but I wouldn't mind taking a look at him. When he finally got a chance to play in Sacramento at the end of last season he was lighting it up. He has a really good outside shot much like the rest of his family. Obviously, he's not his brother but he still seems like a good fit for what SVG does.
Nastradamus
06-07-2016, 11:14 PM
I'd love to get Seth Curry
I like some of the guys they have brought into training camp. Chris Douglas Roberts and Jordan Crawford are a couple of guys that I feel like never really got a fair chance in the NBA. They've actually both played pretty well and then just end up getting cut for financial reasons for the most part. Crawford typically always averaged double digits. He could be a spark off the bench. I'd at least like to see them go to summer league with us. With all the people they're bringing in I think they're going to have a very new bench next season. I've said for years it never made sense to me how the guys that dominate the d-league never really get a chance. If you can lead the D-league in scoring you can play in the NBA.
Dinwiddie is gone. I knew they lost confidence in him.
[QUOTE] The Detroit Pistons announced today that the team has acquired forward Cameron Bairstow from the Chicago Bulls in exchange for guard Spencer Dinwiddie.
Here's another article I found on the trade. It sounds like Bairstow is a stretch 4. So I can see why SVG is giving him a shot. I'm not sure if he'll ever crack the rotation though. I don't know that much about him. Maybe we'll get to see him in summer league.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/17/pistons-trade-spencer-dinwiddie-to-bulls-for-cameron-bairstow/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo
Bairstow isn't even going to summer league and it sounds like he'll be cut for financial purposes. Makes sense. They must want to go after a good backup PG in free agency. Bring back Augustin!
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/pistons-deal-dinwiddie-bulls-get-back-bairstow-cap-motivated-deal
Aussie Dunker
06-17-2016, 07:17 PM
Bairstow could be one of the best dudes in the league - such a good guy. and an ABSOLUTE workhorse. He should not even be getting a sniff of profesional Bball with his base skill set / talent levels.
Sad truth is, he is a worse version of Scalabrine, and just does not belong on this level.
I want to see him come over to the NBL and dominate, and he will be a big part of our national team
Well this is interesting. Not exactly the stretch 4 everyone was thinking of.
[QUOTE]Marc Stein: Free Agency Rumble: Orlando, Detroit and the Lakers are all among the teams that intend to make a run at Atlanta big man Al Horford.
Well, the Bulls just got worse. The Pacers just got way better. Bulls might be set to tank. Other than that our division is really solid.
Aussie Dunker
06-22-2016, 10:41 PM
Yeah Pacers will be one to watch this year. Another year of development for Turner, George another year removed from the horrific injury so confidence will be even higher, Teague a very nice true PG to team with Ellis in the back court... They will push for top 4 seed in the east,
I think Bulls will be OK, I think this is their version of bottoming out, in which they could still make a top 4 seed in the wide open East. Butler is a good centerpiece, with Lopez, Gibson, Mirotic proving a solid and versatile frontcourt with defense and spacing. I like Jerian Grant at PG but Bulls will probably need to address that position at some stage. But I would give guys like Grant and McDermott plenty of run this year to see what they can do...
And in regards to Horford - YES PLEASE, would be such a great addition. Can play both PF and C, can shoot, can protect the rim, can pass the rock, has plenty of veteran leadership / experience. Not sure how our team would look and if we would start Harris at SF? I doubt Harris would settle for a bench role with his 17 mill per year contract or whatever it is.
I'm just unsure how they would space the court with a potential starting 5 of Drummond, Horford, Harris, KCP, and Jackson. Horford is a very good player though. That talent on paper should be a top 5 team. I'd be a little worried about our depth. We would really have to hope some of those D-League guys could step up. There's a chance they could. I think we're now seeing why Detroit did that. They're wondering if they spend all their money on a really good player that will get a majority of the minutes if they can still find guys on the cheap to actually do well for the few minutes they get.
No way Chicago is top 4 with that roster. Milwaukee will have a better chance than them, especially if they move Monroe and get a good player in return. He just isn't fitting there.
The Knicks had to release Tony Wroten after that trade. He's a guy we should put into our summer league and take a look it. He could be a back up PG.
Aussie Dunker
06-23-2016, 06:30 PM
Strongly agree!! ^^
He can drive and defend, big body,
We have enough shooting off the bench to cover that weakness, I think he can play 10 - 12 minutes behind Reggie
Saw this today. Looks like Meeks will finally be gone. I was always against that signing.
[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski: After the draft, Detroit will continue to shop guard Jodie Meeks to find him a new team, league sources tell @The Vertical.
Aussie Dunker
06-25-2016, 02:01 AM
Yes - you were ^^ I think you were more against the amount of $$ rather than against Meeks himself though right?
KCP has progressed more than most people predicted which elevated him into the starting SG spot, in which Meeks was signed to play.
Too injury prone, and has a reputation as a 3pt specialist yet he only shot 35% for us from deep.
If we can turn Meeks into a backup PG, then that will be a win.
Brandon Jennings unrestricted free agent............................................. ................... Why not? ha
Yeah, it was mainly the money they gave him. But I watched him a lot when he was on the Lakers and just wasn't all that impressed. I say send him elsewhere. I'd love to get Jennings. I think there's probably a starting role out there for him somewhere though. Now Rubio is going to be traded too. So that kind of works in our favor. There's not a lot of teams looking for a starting PG. Possibly Dallas or Sacramento. I'd be happy just to get a guy like Augustin back.
SVG wants to add two more big men this off season.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/pistons-plan-add-2-more-big-men-svg-says-avoid-being-caught-short-front
Aussie Dunker
06-28-2016, 10:12 PM
J.Jack could be a GREAT backup to Reggie. His deep shooting and strong body would work real well with our 2nd unit.
I like him as a backup. I still think they might look at a player like Jennings first. One of these guys that wants to start is not going to end up with a starting job. The Kings need a PG. They aren't going to keep Rondo. I could see Rubio getting traded there or Jennings possibly going there. There's not a lot of other teams that really need a PG. Maybe Dallas. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Nastradamus
06-28-2016, 10:57 PM
Jennings would be nice.
Jack seems cooked, hasn't shot well the last few ears.
Augustin could work, in tandem with Gbinije, but he's a last resort type.
I think Augustin has played really well everywhere he's been. He fits right in with what the Pistons are doing.
Aussie Dunker
06-28-2016, 11:33 PM
Yeah Augustin would not be the worst option, he can deff play a role for us.
I would prefer Jennings over both though, he does like Detroit and has a good relationship with our players. But... is he ready to concede to being one of the best backup PG's in this league?
He will never be a starter on a team that is serious about contending
Jennings will go where they offer him the most money for sure. But there's only a few teams that will be throwing major money after PG's. If he doesn't land there it gives them a chance.
It appears like SVG really has some ties to the Magic still lol. We just made another trade with them. Meeks is headed there for a 2nd round pick.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--pistons-trade-jodie-meeks-173815542.html
I do see how they could use him as a backup though. They just moved Oladipo. They'll probably keep Fournier as the starter. He's restricted but I'm sure they'll match. Meeks will give them some depth.
Nastradamus
07-01-2016, 12:27 PM
Ish Smith, 3/18. I dig it. He runs an offense. One of 15 guys to average 10 assists per 100 possessions last year. Reggie was another.
That's a good deal. He should be a solid backup and could even start if he really needed to. It's definitely an upgrade.
Nastradamus
07-01-2016, 01:47 PM
Great fit. They'll look at a few bigs now, but the roster is close to set IMO. Maybe scoop up an Ed Davis type in a trade if Portland signs someone? I'd lvoe some cheap gambles like an Andrew Nicholson type
I feel like they should have looked at Marvin Williams as a stretch 4. He may be priced too high though. The Pacers really upgraded this off season. They have an incredible roster. The fight for 2nd place in our division (behind Cleveland of course) is going to be a battle.
And right after I posted that I saw this article. We may not be landing Durant, but this would be a game changer.
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/6/30/12070408/al-horford-rumors-nba-free-agency-espn-marc-stein-lebatard-show
We're one of the favorites to land Horford.
Dang, this article doesn't make the Smith signing sound well.
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/7/1/12077786/nba-free-agency-2016-ish-smith-detroit-pistons-bad
The Pistons are interested in Thomas Robinson too.
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/7/1/12081746/2016-nba-free-agent-rumors-thomas-robinson-contract
It's apparent they are really trying to add those two bigs.
Aussie Dunker
07-01-2016, 11:45 PM
Really like the Smith signing, great value as well. Think he can set the table for our second unit effectively.
I like T.Robinson, but as more of an undersized C than a PF. Doesn't fit our game style, but his motor and rebounding and enforcer mentality could be valuable.
If we get Horford, do we play big and move Harris to SF? Or, do we bring Harris off the bench to lead our second unit? And would he be happy with that role?
Baynes
Harris
Stanley
Bullock
Smith
All of a sudden we have one of, if not the best second unit in the league,
Dre
Horford
Morris
KCP
Reggie
And also one of the better starting 5's in the league.
They would go big for sure. Horford would start. Dre would start. Harris would start at SF. Those guys all make way too much money to come off the bench. Morris would be the 6th man.
Nastradamus
07-02-2016, 07:58 PM
Well, Leuer it is. Solid stretch 4 option. Basically a matured version of Ellenson. REally liking our depth. SVG always seems to find the under the radar option and nail it.
Aussie Dunker
07-02-2016, 08:01 PM
Jon Leuer 4 years / 41 mill,
Averaged 8.5 points and 5.6 rebounds in 19 minutes last year,
That translates to 16 and 11 per 36 minutes which is pretty impressive.
Shoots 38% from deep,
6'10 and 230 pounds, very athletic.
Nastradamus
07-02-2016, 11:59 PM
Pretty damn good fit for the role.
I'd say he's an upgrade from Tolliver.
Nastradamus
07-03-2016, 10:28 AM
Yup. If you look, he isn't far off a guy like Anderson, and is the better defender of the 2. Very good fit for our bench. Him and Smith will work well together.
Yeah, I was reading an article about his 3 point percentage and it broke down where he makes the most of his shots. Seeing that is why SVG wanted him. He hits a lot from the top of the key, which is perfect in those pick and pop situations. SVG likes to do a lot of that with the Pistons offense so you can tell it's why he targeted a player like that.
Nastradamus
07-03-2016, 12:38 PM
He has very good numbers as the roll man too, so him and Ish should have a lot of fun. Nice bench trio with Stanley. Impressive Mr.Van Gundy.
Aussie Dunker
07-03-2016, 08:43 PM
And I still think Baynes is one of the better backup C's in the league to anchor our second unit... ^^
ZMonkey11
07-04-2016, 10:17 AM
As much as I like our moves, we are going to start looking like the Milwaukee Bucks and run on a treadmill. We do not have the amount of firepower needed to dent the East, especially with how the other teams in our conference are winning in FA right now.
Maybe we should start leaking rumors about Paul George and Indiana so he gets disgruntled and we can trade for him. But then again, I'm pretty sure Indiana would love the idea of a division rival having their elite SF/SG.
I'm actually not a very big Baynes fan. I think we need a better backup C.
And Z, I absolutely agree with you. We haven't made the moves to make us a serious contender at this point. We upgraded. Maybe that makes us a 6 seed instead of an 8. When you look at what Indiana did, that was incredible. They could be one of the top seeds in the East next season. And we still have Cleveland in our division.... I look at things like this. Indiana's best player is far better than our best player. So when you build around that you automatically have an advantage. They put really good players around their star this season. It probably puts us 3rd in the division. And the Bucks won't be a pushover. Chicago is done. When you look at that just in our own division it doesn't make things look real promising for us overall in the East. Toronto will be good again. Miami took a bit of a step back. The Knicks are definitely better. Overall I don't see many huge changes though.
Jennings signed with the Knicks. 1 year 5 million dollars. I wonder why the Pistons wouldn't have jumped all over that. Actually a lot of teams should have been interested for that price tag.
Aussie Dunker
07-05-2016, 11:48 PM
Jennings at that price is almost the bargain of the entire off-season!!!
I thought the Bulls would be completely out of things this season. It's starting to look like they're decent again. Dang we have a tough division. They're obviously not contenders but I would have rather had a bad team than a .500 team in our division lol.
I guess the silver lining to this is Miami was a top 4 team in the East last season. They're not even a playoff team after losing Deng and Wade. They may not even have Bosh for all of next season. They're probably in the lottery. I think Detroit still has a better lineup than Chicago, but not by much. I actually think Chicago has a better lineup than the media is giving them credit for. I just don't know how they're all going to play together. Our division could have 4 teams in the playoffs lol. For sure the Pacers have moved up at this point. Boston is clearly better. Nobody can beat Cleveland in the East. I think Dunleavy will help them. Toronto should be about where they were last season. Detroit may move up a spot. The Wizards should be back in the mix. The Hornets should too. The Knicks definitely are much better. The Hawks might fight for an 8 seed. That's about all I see for the playoff hunt. Milwaukee could even be a .500 team. The East is stacked. I think it has more competition than the West.
Aussie Dunker
07-06-2016, 11:44 PM
Yeah interesting move for the Bulls, I kind of thought they were going to move Butler and rebuild - signing Wade confirms they are going to try and contend (otherwise why else would you grab Wade?!)
Rondo / Wade / Butler - all very limited from deep, no real need to play up on any of those guys. Lopez and Gibson down low, again, no threat from deep.
This team will really struggle to stretch the floor / space the floor. I know they have some capable shooters such as Mirotic (which I would assume would start purely for his stretch 4 abaility) and Mcbuckets, and even Valentine.
Will be an interesting team... I still think we have them covered. Gasol was the guy in which we had no matchup for, with him gone we match up real well.
Cavs / Boston / Raptors / Pacers should be top 4, I think we can compete for that 5th seed...
Nastradamus
07-07-2016, 11:05 AM
Jennings signed with the Knicks. 1 year 5 million dollars. I wonder why the Pistons wouldn't have jumped all over that. Actually a lot of teams should have been interested for that price tag.
Basically because there is almost no history of quick twitch type players coming back from achilles injuries.
Nastradamus
07-07-2016, 11:16 AM
Boban!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boban!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup, this just happened.
Marc Stein: Detroit is signing Spurs restricted free agent Boban Marjanovic to a three-year, $21 million offer sheet, according to league
He'll be a good backup to Dre.
Basically because there is almost no history of quick twitch type players coming back from achilles injuries.
Actually it looks like it's because of this. I read it today.
"The Post has learned Jennings requested a one-year contract to give himself a chance to prove himself and boost his stock for 2017
This article explains the Boban signing in depth. It makes way more sense now.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/07/07/detroit-pistons-boban-marjanovic-spurs/86798730/
It also means Joel Anthony, Steve Blake, and Cameron Bairstow are gone.
Aussie Dunker
07-07-2016, 06:45 PM
I like the move - obviously playing behind Duncan / Aldridge / West and being coached by Pop - is insanely invaluable experience.
He is probably the biggest / longest player in the league? At 7'3 and 290 pounds, but in very good shape! Should be a good rim protector, and a good signing in response to baynes most likely getting a big deal this coming offseason. Well played SVG,
p.s he has a smoking hot wife!:pimp:
http://66.media.tumblr.com/4302c881064688ead00f2602ecbd3428/tumblr_o15o5a028Z1twhgtoo1_1280.jpg
Dang, I guess he's got some game lol!
Aussie Dunker
07-07-2016, 07:14 PM
I almost feel sorry for her! He is twice her size!!
Once he retires and doesn't have that NBA money I want to see how long they still stay married.......
ZMonkey11
07-08-2016, 10:42 AM
Once he retires and doesn't have that NBA money I want to see how long they still stay married.......
If he has a good financial advisor, he'll be making money off his money until he dies. And Boban doesn't strike me as the type that will blow his money into bankruptcy. Stay winning big man, stay winning.
Haha, I'm just saying a divorce takes half of that. I don't think he's crazy with his money though.
Did anybody notice this?
[QUOTE] Rod Beard: #Pistons Stan Van Gundy says there
Nastradamus
07-09-2016, 07:33 PM
Get him signed to anything less than the max and its a win.
ZMonkey11
07-10-2016, 11:40 AM
Did anybody notice this?
Did not notice. But it's not a big concern. We have his bird rights and he is a RFA. If we want KCP back next year, we will have KCP back next year.
Only thing is if he gets offered a max (lol), then we probably won't match.
Then I will be laughing at the team that gave him a max contract. (Barring him going HAM this year, but nothing in his progression shows me he is ready to go ham in field goal percentage, rebounds, assists, and blocks.)
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he got close to a max offer. Evan Turner got major money. I think KCP is better. Not to mention I think SG is the hardest position to find a quality player today.
Aussie Dunker
07-10-2016, 06:21 PM
Well let us look at Crabbe as an example, who plays a similar role for his team, however was a bench player mostly last year.
4 years / 75 mill ...
This is the absolute FLOOR for a KCP extension,
I would expect him to get his siggy for about 20 mill per season,
ZMonkey11
07-10-2016, 08:13 PM
Are you saying he will be maxed out in terms of the salary cap gets another 20 mil kick in 2018, making his contract the max for the one year?
If we get a salary cap figure of ~$120 mil, I'm ok with KCP taking ~$20mil of that a year. If he gets to $25 mil, I don't want him anymore. He is a GREAT defensive player and he really led us in some games this season. But he is hot/cold hot/cold. I want a consistent offensive game to go with great defense. This team isn't built to have one of its flame throwers go out every other night.
Aussie Dunker
07-10-2016, 10:02 PM
I feel like he is banking on developing his consistency this year, to put himself in position to be worth a huge contract.
Even if he has a regression this year, he would still get 4 years 75 mill, easy.
If he takes another step forward like he has each season, then we might have to reach into our pockets. We shall see..
He's playing for a pay day so I think this year he'll be more consistent. I'll be drafting him for my fantasy team.
ZMonkey11
07-11-2016, 06:10 PM
He's playing for a pay day so I think this year he'll be more consistent. I'll be drafting him for my fantasy team.
Yea, I'll be gunning for Tobias, KCP, and Jackson to be on my team.
Rip is trying to make a comeback!
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/7/13/12171730/richard-hamilton-retirement-unretirement-detroit-pistons-who-would-sign-him
Obviously I don't see how he could land in Detroit. I don't really know if he has much left. I can see how it's tough to give it up though. At least we know he really liked the game.
Tony Wroten just got cut again. Apparently he's just not getting it done. I think we now know why SVG wasn't looking at him as a backup.
Aussie Dunker
07-13-2016, 06:25 PM
He would be a great mentor for KCP, and Rip might be one of the best ever at moving without the ball and working off screen's to light his offense. Would be a valuable well for KCP to drink from for a year...
But, is he going to contribute more on the court than say Hilliard or Bullock, who project to be backing KCP up this year? Not to mention Stanley will also play some 2... Hrmmm...
ZMonkey11
07-14-2016, 02:42 PM
He would be a great mentor for KCP, and Rip might be one of the best ever at moving without the ball and working off screen's to light his offense. Would be a valuable well for KCP to drink from for a year...
But, is he going to contribute more on the court than say Hilliard or Bullock, who project to be backing KCP up this year? Not to mention Stanley will also play some 2... Hrmmm...
I think Rip would be great, but not exactly for KCP right now.
KCP is in a contract year. He's trying to get money. The way Rip played was high energy, all the time. Rip was good on defense, but not KCP good. If KCP started trying to play like Rip this season, I truly believe his stats would go down because he doesn't have the endurance for it. And not only does he not have endurance for it, he is placed on the best wing players. (Stanley Johnson will start playing this role more and more) This will be a lot of cardiowork that KCP needs to be putting in now to prepare him for an 82 game season, including back-to-backs.
I think a Rip signing would be good for our upcoming rookies and young wings, but for KCP, not this year. He's trying to get money. And trying to add Rip's style into the mix isn't the greatest of ideas for his bank account. Remember, the biggest problem with KCP right now is offensive consistency. Less energy, less consistency. KCP and his agent are well aware of these factors.
We just have way to many wings to give him a chance.
Aussie Dunker
07-14-2016, 06:43 PM
And, if you are Rip, and you suceed with your comeback, you have one.. mayyyybe two years.
Surely you would come back to gun for a title,
Are the Pistons in that window right now? Probably not - so doesn't make sense I guess for both Pistons or Rip.
There are 6 or 7 teams out there that could use him. I always thought he would make a good Spur, so potentially might be an option? Or even Clips / GSW / Cavs / Celts / Grizz / Raps should all take a look at him.
One of the most underated tangibles in basketball is being able to fatigue your opponent - guarding Rip for 4 minutes would do that to you - and is probably at this stage of his career his biggest pro that a team would be looking for...
Yeah, there's that . I also think he saw the money getting thrown around lol. He said it wasn't that, but who can be certain. He should chase a belt though.
ZMonkey11
07-15-2016, 04:06 PM
Please do nothing the Cavs. It already stung my eyes to see him, Ben wallace, James edwards, John salley, and Dennis Rodman in bulls jerseys. Not another division rival taking our legends....
I'd be surprised if he got a job.
Drummond is apparently expected to shoot his FT's better next season.
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2016/7/18/12205240/pistons-news-andre-drummond-improving-free-throws-kcp-extension
Aussie Dunker
07-18-2016, 06:31 PM
Well, considering he shot 35% (not even sure how that is possible!) I would HOPE we see some improvement.
If he can get to 50% that is a HUGE win for us / him.
50% is still unacceptable. I think he can definitely shoot over 60%. I think anyone could learn to do that.
Aussie Dunker
07-19-2016, 08:39 PM
50% is extremely acceptable - it is all relative, anyone who can increase their free throw % by 15% in one offseason deserves a heap of praise.
50% would be a magnificent result for Dre / us.
Would we like it higher? Ofcourse, but we are talking about a 35% free throw shooter, so a 15% increase would be huge for us...
Nastradamus
07-20-2016, 11:47 AM
50% is still unacceptable. I think he can definitely shoot over 60%. I think anyone could learn to do that.
They can't. In fact, FTs are one of the least improved skills for NBA players. Its much harder to improve than people think.
If Drummond hits 50, that would be awesome
It's literally a skill a kid can learn. I shot over 80% in 5th grade.
Aussie Dunker
07-20-2016, 09:14 PM
This is where neuroplasticity comes into play.
A 23 year old who has been playing basketball all his life can not "suddenly" learn how to do something (although there can be exceptions to this rule).
You do realize that Dre would have been a terrible free throw shooter all his life, and people talk about him not caring about this facet of the game.
Ocourse he would. Ofcourse he would try and improve his weakness, year in year out.
The kid just can not shoot free throws. For him to improve 15% in one off-season is almost too big of an ask, and if he gets to 50% this year, that would be one of the biggest improvements in NBA history.
Yes 50% is terrible, but when speaking in relatives, 50% is amazing for Dre if he can get there this year...
Nastradamus
07-21-2016, 01:23 PM
It's literally a skill a kid can learn. I shot over 80% in 5th grade.
Its a skill a kid can have, Yes, some people can learn it. It varies greatly though and is unlikely to be improved substantially after the age of 20 or so. Drummond may be an exception because his form is so awful, but he first has to find a form that works for him, then he has to practice it a ton(more than one summer likely) and then has to get over the psychological part(he's over 65% in practice)
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17115866/real-root-nba-intentional-foul-epidemic
That's a good article on the subject.
Aussie Dunker
07-26-2016, 07:56 PM
Welcome back to the motor city, Ray McCallum Jr,
Not the worst option for a 3rd string PG, but man I really feel for Lorenzo Brown, he couldn't have impressed anymore at the summer league, think he averaged 4 steals per game and showed out in most games - think he was very stiff not to get that 3rd string role.
However - in SVG we trust so he either saw something in Brown he wasn't a fan of, or hopefully, sees something in McCallum that others have failed to see.
At the end of the day, whether it was Brown or now McCallum, if they were to be a part of any meaningful game time - that would be worrying for us... At best they are garbage time / injury covering players
Yeah, when I saw that I definitely felt for Brown. The guy deserves an NBA job. I actually think Brown could have played meaningful minutes. The guy can flat out score. McCallum is a guy who I think will just sit the bench.
Aussie Dunker
07-26-2016, 08:32 PM
Yeah see it wasn't even Brown's scoring that appealed to me, it was that he was an absolute pest on D. Whether it was onball or in the passing lanes, he seemed to create some electricity and bought high octane energy.
I would have thought that kind of spark / activity on D would have been a nice contrast two our #1 and #2 PG's who are not exactly known for that side of the floor. And also someone like Brown seems like the perfect kind of guy to have your #1 and #2 options going against in training / drills.
But, SVG must have a pretty strong reason to go in the less obvious direction
It's gotta be the worst feeling in the world seeing all those articles about how you deserve a spot on the roster and then to not make it again. He may get a shot with another team but will likely have to go overseas to make money. Send McCallum to summer league then lol.
Nastradamus
07-29-2016, 12:57 PM
Brown and Mccallum will battle for the spot. I'd say its 50/50, so no reason for all the Brown doom and gloom. I think Brown takes the spot. I like the Mccallum signing though.
Wasn't McCallum's contract guaranteed? There's no battle with a guaranteed contract.
ZMonkey11
08-01-2016, 12:21 PM
This is where neuroplasticity comes into play.
A 23 year old who has been playing basketball all his life can not "suddenly" learn how to do something (although there can be exceptions to this rule).
You do realize that Dre would have been a terrible free throw shooter all his life, and people talk about him not caring about this facet of the game.
Ocourse he would. Ofcourse he would try and improve his weakness, year in year out.
The kid just can not shoot free throws. For him to improve 15% in one off-season is almost too big of an ask, and if he gets to 50% this year, that would be one of the biggest improvements in NBA history.
Yes 50% is terrible, but when speaking in relatives, 50% is amazing for Dre if he can get there this year...
There are plenty of examples of bugs that came into this league and never learned how to shoot free throws.
Then I look at Tim Duncan, whose first choice in sports was swimming. He came into the league shooting free throws at an awful clip then became an above average ft shooter.
If I can learn to shoot free throws left handed at a 50 percent clip, Drummond can learn to shoot 60% with his right hand. Neuroplasticity be damned.
CBS Sports rated our starting five 9th in the NBA.
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/cbs-sports-ranks-pistons-starting-five-9th-nba
Nastradamus
08-03-2016, 10:17 PM
Pretty huge considering the way we've improved our bench. I believe we are a top 10 team at worst.
CBS had another article on the bench rankings. Pretty sure that didn't work out in our favor very well lol.
Nastradamus
08-04-2016, 10:54 AM
I believe it. I'm very positive about our bench though. I think SVG knows how to use certain types of players(specifically pick and pop big men and pick and roll PGs) and I think he will maximize our particular bench. I also expect a big jump from Stanley.
I hope your right about Stanley. I think his development is really what the future success of this team depends on. If he can be a star the Pistons have a chance. Hopefully he takes the next step this season.
Nastradamus
08-04-2016, 12:26 PM
also fwiw we got 13th for bench. Not bad at all
Nastradamus
08-04-2016, 12:27 PM
I hope your right about Stanley. I think his development is really what the future success of this team depends on. If he can be a star the Pistons have a chance. Hopefully he takes the next step this season.
No doubt
I thought we had a full roster but I guess since we've already got the most expensive one in the NBA the Pistons may as well just spend more lol.
[QUOTE]Trey Freeman (ODU) has agreed to a partially guaranteed deal with the Detroit Pistons.
Nastradamus
08-30-2016, 12:00 PM
The more the merrier
At this point I don't worry about it much lol. The Pistons have had one of the highest payrolls in the NBA for a few years. They obviously don't care if they throw money away. I just realized that we had the highest payroll in the league currently. I guess we're investing for the future.
Nastradamus
08-31-2016, 11:33 AM
haha, either way the Trey Freemans of the world won't make or break them
The Pistons made another big signing today!!!! Nikola Jovanovic.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/16/pistons-sign-nikola-jovanovic/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo
It's really just for their D-League team.
Seeing all of these rumors that San Antonio might move Aldridge really makes you think. We have pieces like Harris, Morris, and KCP we could move. A LMA and Drummond front court would be killer. One would think Cleveland could offer Love and that might be a better deal. I would also think the Spurs would probably want a draft pick or two.
Aussie Dunker
10-19-2016, 05:24 PM
I would love Alridge, and would be happy to turn harris, Morris, first round draft picks into him - but at this stage I think KCP almost needs to be a non-trade type of player. He is the heart and soul / identity of this team - continues to add to his game each year, and could become one of the better 2-guards in the league in the next year or two.
Yes Aldridge >>> KCP, but you have to wonder - how many good years does Aldridge have? He is 31 years old
Where as Dre is what, 22? and KCP, 24? I think we need to keep those two together unless the deal was insanely too good to refuse
But mate I hear ya, if Spurs are thinking about shopping Aldridge Pistons need to have a big sniff at that...
KCP could end up not being a Piston at the end of this season... and with guys like Bullock and Gbinjie who knows what might happen. Plus they can play Johnson at the 2 if they really need. I would hate to give him up like that but if they think they can't retain him I'd take Aldridge for a few years to try to contend. It's not like he's on a long deal.
Nastradamus
10-20-2016, 11:19 AM
Seeing all of these rumors that San Antonio might move Aldridge really makes you think. We have pieces like Harris, Morris, and KCP we could move. A LMA and Drummond front court would be killer. One would think Cleveland could offer Love and that might be a better deal. I would also think the Spurs would probably want a draft pick or two.
No
also Love is better
Nastradamus
10-20-2016, 11:20 AM
KCP could end up not being a Piston at the end of this season... and with guys like Bullock and Gbinjie who knows what might happen. Plus they can play Johnson at the 2 if they really need. I would hate to give him up like that but if they think they can't retain him I'd take Aldridge for a few years to try to contend. It's not like he's on a long deal.
LMAO, what about guys like Gbinije and Bullock? They both blow
LMAO, what about guys like Gbinije and Bullock? They both blow
Didn't say they were better than KCP. Although Langlois had an article about Gbinjie that would kind of say Stan does in certain ways... LMA is definitely better than all of them put together though.
No
also Love is better
Love is younger, I think a lot of people would make a debate he isn't necessarily better though. My point wasn't really about who was better between those two though. It's a good deal for both sides. LMA might be a better fit in Cleveland where Love has struggled at times there. And vice versa Love could be better in San Antonio next to Pau Gasol.
And anyway around it, today there was an article saying the whole LMA trade rumor stuff was made up.
Aussie Dunker
10-20-2016, 06:53 PM
I really like and value Bullock - as a 9th / 10th man on a roster. He can shoot the ball pretty darn well from deep and he is quite a lengthey defender.
It is far too early to determine whether or not Gbjinjie is even an NBA level player, but early signs intrigue me. At the very least, he seems like a very versatile "basketball player" as in, the game looks very natural to him. Let's see if he can get some minutes.
I think Aldridge is better than Love, but I think Love would fit our team a lot better / fit SVG's vision a lot better.
Aussie Dunker
10-23-2016, 09:28 PM
"Detroit Pistons Sign the TALLEST PLAYER IN THE NBA!!!
Undrafted 7 ft. 6 300 lb Center Mamadou Ndiaye...
Averaged 12.1 points, 7.2 rebounds and 2.4 blocks during the 2015-16 season at UC Irvine"
So this guy makes Boban and Dre look like guards :lol
Take us to the promise land big fella!!
I've met him before at the bars out here. Some of my friends have played ball with him. He's not going to make it in the NBA but he's a good guy and will be able to play over seas or in the d league.
qrich
10-24-2016, 11:18 AM
I disagree, I think Big Mama will stick around in the NBA and isn't just there due to his size like a Pavel Podolzkin was. Won't be a starter or anything, but a solid 8-12 minute second big off a bench type of guy
Nah, he definitely isn't going to be a rotational guy. You've seen him play right?
Aussie Dunker
10-24-2016, 06:17 PM
If he gets any NBA minutes then that would be a huge surprise. D-League player at best.
However, gives Dre / Boban / Baynes a huge body to bang against in training. That is probably the real reason behind the signing
KCP wants more than 20 million per season:
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/10/25/rumor-kentavious-caldwell-pope-demanding-more-than-20-million-annually-to-sign-contract-extension-with-pistons/
The D-League prospect power rankings has two former Pistons in the top 10. Kinda interesting to follow this, especially considering with the new CBA D-League players are going to get a major pay increase which is going to keep more talent here instead of going over seas.
http://dleague.nba.com/prospect-watch/
Without searching this entire thread..... didn't a bunch of us say we liked Seth Curry? And now he's lighting it up and we're still a poor 3 point shooting team. http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/1/14772636/seth-curry-has-been-freed
ZMonkey11
03-04-2017, 10:49 PM
I think it's about time SVG got an ISH account. We'd have a championship for the next 5 years
That would be awesome lol!
Aussie Dunker
03-05-2017, 05:48 PM
haha yes - several of us were pretty high on Seth especially for the money!! We could have signed him as a 3rd string PG
qrich
03-21-2017, 08:07 AM
Well I know this is the 2016 offseason thread, but I got y'all taking Rabb in my mock (https://mikeksmind.wordpress.com/2017/03/21/sweet-16-mock-draft-3-0/).
Agree/disagree, or who would you go with?
I'd take my chances with the injury prone Giles over Rabb. Actually there's probably quite a few I would. If Detroit drafted him it would be a very disappointing season. Another mediocre season that may see them losing to Cleveland in the first round again if they make it. Just not quite bad enough to get one of those top picks. Seems like the same story for about the past 5 years.....
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