Iverson & Melo = 2 first round exits...LeBron & Wade = 2 rings

[k0kakw0rld]

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2 of the most overrated players the world has ever seen...

[Kiddlovesnets]

Iverson is a cancer, what else do you expect? He was good when he was in prime, but since he turned 30, he has been a net negative impact for the team he plays. The Nuggets went to WCF immediately after trading him for Billups, while the Pistons dropped from ECF to first round exit. Is this a mere coincidence?
:rolleyes:

[Stringer Bell]

Well one of the simple and obvious reasons is the fact that LeBron and Wade are better players than Iverson and Anthony.

[Lebron23]

Well one of the simple and obvious reasons is the fact that LeBron and Wade are better players than Iverson and Anthony.


This

[imdaman99]

If Melo teamed up with prime Wade and Bosh, he would have had a good chance at a couple rings. So slow your role.

[Bigsmoke]

If Melo teamed up with prime Wade and Bosh, he would have had a good chance at a couple rings. So slow your role.

Lol bro they were just a bad fit. They weren't winning shit together no matter the situation.

[golden24boy]

they were in the west...east is eazy path to the finals....2/4 maybe melo and AI could win 2/4 too...

[MellowYellow]

Well those nuggets teams were imbalanced, they really didn't have much outside of Iverson and Melo. Plus they ran into 07 spurs and 08 lakers, who pretty much woulda wiped the floor with 12 and 13 heat. Really who did the heat beat though? They beat a young inexperienced Thunder team, and pretty much got lucky against the spurs the next year.

[ImKobe]

Iverson is one of the most overrated players of all-time, Melo isn't a good all-around player.

Both guys needed the ball in their hands to be effective, neither could play a team game. Isn't surprising considering the teams they went up against.

[francesco totti]

The reason is simply Lebron. When you pay most of your salary cap on 2 - 3 superstars it often doesnt work, it does with Lebron because he is versatile player and can play anywhere from 1 to 5.

[bobopenguin]

so u purposely skip bosh and ray allen. good job op. that's a dick move.

[StephHamann]

Bron has 2 finals MVPs and will get a 3rd one this year

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Discuss

2 of the most overrated players the world has ever seen...Most overrated... hmmmm. Durant & Westbrock = 0 rings. Arguably 2 top 5 players... Yet only managed 1 Finals appearance. :facepalm


You want to talk about overrated... How about Stockton & Malone = 0 Rings

[kurple]

Iverson is a cancer, what else do you expect? He was good when he was in prime, but since he turned 30, he has been a net negative impact for the team he plays. The Nuggets went to WCF immediately after trading him for Billups, while the Pistons dropped from ECF to first round exit. Is this a mere coincidence?
:rolleyes:
it had more to do with billups than iverson

AI > Melo at that time tbh

[kurple]

Lol bro they were just a bad fit. They weren't winning shit together no matter the situation.
wade and bosh?

[MellowYellow]

it had more to do with billups than iverson

AI > Melo at that time tbh

nah, in the reg season it was close... but in the 07 playoffs

melo 27/7 on 48/50/80
AI 23/6 on 37/29/81

wonder what could happen if they kept andre and got AI as well, their pg was complete trash.

and then against the lakers they both pretty much played like trash.

[Steven Kerry]

Well one of the simple and obvious reasons is the fact that LeBron and Wade are better players than Iverson and Anthony.
Another obvious reason is that LeBron & Wade also had Bosh.

One more reason is the East was so depleted that they were able to get free passes to the Finals, so only had to beat 1 legit team per year to win the championship.

[kurple]

nah, in the reg season it was close... but in the 07 playoffs

melo 27/7 on 48/50/80
AI 23/6 on 37/29/81

wonder what could happen if they kept andre and got AI as well, their pg was complete trash.

and then against the lakers they both pretty much played like trash.
There is a difference between cherry picking stats and watching all their games live

[bizil]

Well one of the simple and obvious reasons is the fact that LeBron and Wade are better players than Iverson and Anthony.

Exactly right! Bron and Wade are two of the RARE players to have this package:

- Great passing for their positions

- Great defense

- Rebound their positions well

- Alpha dog scoring ability

- Freak athletic ability

The Mt. Rushmore for this kind of perimeter player is MJ, Bron, Kobe, and Wade. So having two of them on the same team was EPIC!! As talented as AI and Melo were, they didn't bring all of this to the table. PLUS Bron is a pass first player as well. So Wade and Bron played off of each other much better than AI and Melo.

[bizil]

nah, in the reg season it was close... but in the 07 playoffs

melo 27/7 on 48/50/80
AI 23/6 on 37/29/81

wonder what could happen if they kept andre and got AI as well, their pg was complete trash.

and then against the lakers they both pretty much played like trash.

Good point about the Nuggets PG situation. If they could have had a very good PG who could check SG's effectively, that would have made the AI-Melo combo work much better. Even though AI was a great passing SG, he was a score first player. The team could have used a great floor general like Miller to control the pace. And FROM there let AI and Melo dominate.

Billups eventually gave Melo a great floor general AND some scoring help. He was a better fit for the Nuggets than AI given the personnel the team had. The teams that win have the RIGHT BLEND of talent and chemistry. The AI-Melo experiment is a great example of that. If AI got there when he was younger, they could have built a team designed to get the best out of that duo.

[Dresta]

Well those nuggets teams were imbalanced, they really didn't have much outside of Iverson and Melo. Plus they ran into 07 spurs and 08 lakers, who pretty much woulda wiped the floor with 12 and 13 heat. Really who did the heat beat though? They beat a young inexperienced Thunder team, and pretty much got lucky against the spurs the next year.
:roll:

[Bigsmoke]

wade and bosh?

Iverson and Melo.


LBJ and Wade werent that good of fits either but they were versatile.

[Bigsmoke]

Another obvious reason is that LeBron & Wade also had Bosh.

One more reason is the East was so depleted that they were able to get free passes to the Finals, so only had to beat 1 legit team per year to win the championship.
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If the Nuggets couldn't beat the Spurs and Lakers in the first round then when made u think they would beat them in the Finals?

Both the Thunder and Spurs would tear the nuggets apart

[LikeABosh]

Who is even making this sort of comparison? Lebron is GOAT tier, Melo is George Gervin

[Steven Kerry]

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If the Nuggets couldn't beat the Spurs and Lakers in the first round then when made u think they would beat them in the Finals?

Both the Thunder and Spurs would tear the nuggets apart
I'm not saying that Nuggets would have beat those teams in the Finals. I'm saying the only reason the LeBron teams made it that far repeatedly is because they were in the East.

[k0kakw0rld]

Most overrated... hmmmm. Durant & Westbrock = 0 rings. Arguably 2 top 5 players... Yet only managed 1 Finals appearance. :facepalm


You want to talk about overrated... How about Stockton & Malone = 0 Rings
Trust me I could care less about these 2 but come on. Cut them some slack. They at least reached the finals in the west. No excuse for Melo. He had Iverson and then Billups. :facepalm

[STATUTORY]

no one rates them that high

[MellowYellow]

Trust me I could care less about these 2 but come on. Cut them some slack. They at least reached the finals in the west. No excuse for Melo. He had Iverson and then Billups. :facepalm
Iverson was 32 melo was 22 just stop

[34-24 Footwork]

Melo on the 2011 Heat instead of Lebron = 3peat.

[k0kakw0rld]

Iverson was 32 melo was 22 just stop
How old is Wade again? hmm 34, leading the Heat at least past the first round. :confusedshrug:

[MellowYellow]

How old is Wade again? hmm 34, leading the Heat at least past the first round. :confusedshrug:
Did they face 07 Spurs in the first round? Without white side they'd be in the lotto again

[stalkerforlife]

Good point, OP...I do consider Bran in the same tier as Melo/Iverson.

[Bigsmoke]

I'm not saying that Nuggets would have beat those teams in the Finals. I'm saying the only reason the LeBron teams made it that far repeatedly is because they were in the East.

Melo is in the east now.

LBJ and Wade in the West weren't gonna get knocked out in the first round from 2011-2014

[bobopenguin]

op is avoiding the fact that it's bron + wade + bosh + ray allen combo.

[aj1987]

Melo on the 2011 Heat instead of Lebron = 3peat.
Sure, just like how JJ Reddick would 3peat with Shaq and repeat a 3peat with Pau. :cheers:

[sportjames23]

Melo is in the east now.

LBJ and Wade in the West weren't gonna get knocked out in the first round from 2011-2014


:biggums:

[aj1987]

:biggums:
You think Wade and LeBron get knocked out in the first round? :facepalm

It's feels like all the retards in the world infest this board.

[Real14]

Bosh, allen, battier, Mike miller, n.cole, chalmers, birdman, haslem etc.

[Steven Kerry]

Melo is in the east now.

LBJ and Wade in the West weren't gonna get knocked out in the first round from 2011-2014
Again, I'm not trying to hype Melo. Melo has been overrated for much of his career. And I agree LBJ and Wade wouldn't have been knocked out in the first round, but they also weren't making it to 4 straight finals. Melo + Iverson may not have made the Finals in the East either, but they probably would have consistently gotten out of the 1st round in the East. My point was, LeBron + Wade's consistent Finals runs was inflated by being in the East, while Iverson + Melo likely got consistently further if they were in as weak of a conference when they were together. What I'm definitely not saying is that Iverson and Melo were better than LeBron and Wade.

[NBAGOAT]

op is avoiding the fact that it's bron + wade + bosh + ray allen combo.

And you're ignoring JR(better than Ray Allen) and Kenyon Martin. Heat are obviously better outside their top 2 but it's not like the Nuggets had complete trash.

[tmacattack33]

Iverson is a cancer, what else do you expect? He was good when he was in prime, but since he turned 30, he has been a net negative impact for the team he plays. The Nuggets went to WCF immediately after trading him for Billups, while the Pistons dropped from ECF to first round exit. Is this a mere coincidence?
:rolleyes:

Actually, Iverson played a lot better than Melo during their time together.

[MellowYellow]

Actually, Iverson played a lot better than Melo during their time together.

false, but if you wanna try and make your argument. go ahead.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Actually, Iverson played a lot better than Melo during their time together.

Maybe better, but alot better is just plainly wrong and absurd. Also Iverson is not a cancer for playing poorly himself, but that he makes his teammates worse, as evidenced from Melo and other Nuggets players. You need to understand what is the definition of cancer first before posting your opinion.

[k0kakw0rld]

Bosh, allen, battier, Mike miller, n.cole, chalmers, birdman, haslem etc.
Carmelo Anthony
Chucky Atkins
Marcus Camby
Anthony Carter
Yakhouba Diawara
Taurean Green
Nene Hilario
Steven Hunter
Allen Iverson
Bobby Jones
Linas Kleiza
Kenyon Martin
Stacked as f*ck :biggums:

[Bigsmoke]

:biggums:

There isn't a single team in the west that was better than the heat from head to toe better than the Heat for all 4 years.

It was safe to say that the spurs and Lakers were gonna beat the f*ck outta a.I. and Melo every time

[Bigsmoke]

Carmelo Anthony
Chucky Atkins
Marcus Camby
Anthony Carter
Yakhouba Diawara
Taurean Green
Nene Hilario
Steven Hunter
Allen Iverson
Bobby Jones
Linas Kleiza
Kenyon Martin
Stacked as f*ck :biggums:

U forgot JR and Linas Kleiza was solid.

[Sarcastic]

U forgot JR and Linas Kleiza was solid.

That's still far from stacked.

Also you gotta take into account how bad a coach George Karl is. That didn't help either.