Replace Kobe with LeBron from 1996 to 2004?

[Lebron23]

How many championship for the Lakers from 1996 to 2004?

[FashionIssues]

13 to 19 year old LeBron? wow like all the chips ever!

[Lebron23]

13 to 19 year old LeBron? wow like all the chips ever!


Put an 18 yrs.old LeBron with the 1996 Lakers team. Rookie LeBron was much, much better than Rookie Kobe.

[FashionIssues]

Put an 18 yrs.old LeBron with the 1996 Lakers team. Rookie LeBron was much, much better than Rookie Kobe.18 years in? he would be 36. lets see tho

[NBAGOAT]

he wasn't even on the team in 96. This question has been asked way too many times but I'll tackle it and say what the result would be.

97 Kobe-04 Lebron(lose to Jazz)
98 Kobe-05 Lebron(lose to Jazz but not 4-0)
99 Kobe-06 Lebron(lose to Spurs in close series)
00 Kobe-07 Lebron(win title, Portland still gives them trouble so iffy)
01 Kobe-08 Lebron(win title)
02 Kobe-09 Lebron(win title)
03 Kobe-10 Lebron(win title)
04 Kobe-11 Lebron(lose to Pistons since i'm assuming he still plays like shit in the Finals)

I'm thinking 3-4 but more likely 4.

[aj1987]

4 rings at the least.

[BlakFrankWhite]

1997: lose to Jazz
1998: lose to bulls
1999: 'Ship
2000: 'Ship
2001: 'Ship
2002: 'Ship
2003: lose to Spurs
2004: 'Ship

[Lebron23]

1997: lose to Jazz
1998: lose to bulls
1999: 'Ship
2000: 'Ship
2001: 'Ship
2002: 'Ship
2003: lose to Spurs
2004: 'Ship


4 rings at the least.

This

[FashionIssues]

Lol. obviously Shaq is the elephant in the room. Lebron would never even check Shaq like Kobe was checking him in his late teens

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he wasn't even on the team in 96. This question has been asked way too many times but I'll tackle it and say what the result would be.

97 Kobe-04 Lebron(lose to Jazz)
98 Kobe-05 Lebron(lose to Jazz but not 4-0)
99 Kobe-06 Lebron(lose to Spurs in close series)
00 Kobe-07 Lebron(win title, Portland still gives them trouble so iffy)
01 Kobe-08 Lebron(win title)
02 Kobe-09 Lebron(win title)
03 Kobe-10 Lebron(win title)
04 Kobe-11 Lebron(lose to Pistons since i'm assuming he still plays like shit in the Finals)

I'm thinking 3-4 but more likely 4.


They don't get passed Portland with Lebron's jumper. I can tell you didn't watch that series.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Lebron has beat the Spurs 5 out of 16 times what the hell makes you so sure he can go up against Prime Duncan and the defensive juggernaut Spurs and even make the finals in the first place?

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4 rings at the least.

He played with Shaq once and go no rings. Played with Wade, Bosh, Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen and only got one ring. Lol.

They don't win with without a dominant perimeter player.

[tragicbronson]

Replace 2011-2014 LeBron with Kobe, how many chips do they win? Easily more than 2

[Bankaii]

He played with Shaq once and go no rings. Played with Wade, Bosh, Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen and only got one ring. Lol.

They don't win with without a dominant perimeter player.
Having the MDE peak Shaq instead of Mo Williams/injured Wade would probably make a difference moron.

[SouBeachTalents]

He played with Shaq once and go no rings. Played with Wade, Bosh, Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen and only got one ring. Lol.

They don't win with without a dominant perimeter player.

:lol at comparing 38 year old Shaq to the one winning FMVP 3 years straight. Also, LeBron won 2 rings in Miami

[aj1987]

He played with Shaq once and go no rings. Played with Wade, Bosh, Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen and only got one ring. Lol.

They don't win with without a dominant perimeter player.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Shaq was like 37 when he played with LeBron. Wade was in his absolute prime and fully healthy for one season. Allen was 38. Lewis? Good god, you Chokebe turds are dumber than horse shit.


Replace 2011-2014 LeBron with Kobe, how many chips do they win? Easily more than 2
Would be a terrible fit. The Heat were a midget team as is and you want to start 2 SG's? Even if we ignore that, they probably win in '11 (if they get past the Bulls), won't get past the Celtics in '12 and the Pacers in '13. The Spurs dust them worse, if they get to the Finals. I'm using '06-'09 Kobe here, BTW.

[coined]

Zero. Lebron, Shaq are unclutch. Would choke every minute in crucial minutes.
Disaster of 3 point shooting team.

[Lebron23]

Replace 2011-2014 LeBron with Kobe, how many chips do they win? Easily more than 2


LeBron is a superior individual finals performer than Kobe. You need to research before you posts in this thread.

[NBAGOAT]

They don't get passed Portland with Lebron's jumper. I can tell you didn't watch that series.

I did say it's iffy and pls keep in mind what lebron did in the playoffs in 07. He has a game like game 5 vs the Pistons that's a guaranteed win. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't watch the series. That ofc is ignoring that Lebron could do other things better than kobe even if his jumper if bad but ofc a hater would ignore that.

[aj1987]

Zero. Lebron, Shaq are unclutch. Would choke every minute in crucial minutes.
Disaster of 3 point shooting team.
Because Kobe was an elite 3pt shooter? :oldlol:

All metrics and stats point to LeBron being more clutch than Kobe, FYI.

[Lebron23]

Zero. Lebron, Shaq are unclutch. Would choke every minute in crucial minutes.
Disaster of 3 point shooting team.


What??

[tragicbronson]

LeBron is a superior individual finals performer than Kobe. You need to research before you posts in this thread.

Sure :lol

Especially 2011 finals, he was at his best there

[aj1987]

Sure :lol

Especially 2011 finals, he was at his best there
Like Kobe in '00 or '04?

[tragicbronson]

Like Kobe in '00 or '04?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

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I did say it's iffy and pls keep in mind what lebron did in the playoffs in 07. He has a game like game 5 vs the Pistons that's a guaranteed win. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't watch the series. That ofc is ignoring that Lebron could do other things better than kobe even if his jumper if bad but ofc a hater would ignore that.

What did he do in the finals of 07' while we're on the topic :-)

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:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Shaq was like 37 when he played with LeBron. Wade was in his absolute prime and fully healthy for one season. Allen was 38. Lewis? Good god, you Chokebe turds are dumber than horse shit.


Would be a terrible fit. The Heat were a midget team as is and you want to start 2 SG's? Even if we ignore that, they probably win in '11 (if they get past the Bulls), won't get past the Celtics in '12 and the Pacers in '13. The Spurs dust them worse, if they get to the Finals. I'm using '06-'09 Kobe here, BTW.

This little boy has had a a 37 year old kobe in his mouth since last October but now I can't talk about a 37 year old shaq? Lol.

Rashard Lewis was a part of the Orlando team that bounced them out of the ECF you dumbass. Lol. Lebron stans stay disrespecting good players.

[NBAGOAT]

This little boy has had a a 37 year old kobe in his mouth since last October but now I can't talk about a 37 year old shaq? Lol.

Rashard Lewis was a part of the Orlando team that bounced them out of the ECF you dumbass. Lol. Lebron stans stay disrespecting good players.

And there you go again with another laughable comparison comparing Magic Rashard to Heat Rashard who barely played 10mpg. It's like counting Ron Harper or Ritchmond as big contributors on the Lakers. :facepalm

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And there you go again with another laughable comparison comparing Magic Rashard to Heat Rashard who barely played 10mpg. It's like counting Ron Harper or Ritchmond as big contributors on the Lakers. :facepalm

I only say this to get bran stans upset though.

Whe they label everyone who plays with Lebron a scrub, Im very quick to give them a dose of reality. I remember seeing Ray Allen play when he WASNT just a spot up shooter and Rashard Lewis giving people buckets when they were on the Sonics.

They were both shells of their former selves with the heat. It's more about proving a point. These weren't some bench players that went to play on the heat.

[NBAGOAT]

I only say this to get bran stans upset though.

Whe they label everyone who plays with Lebron a scrub, Im very quick to give them a dose of reality. I remember seeing Ray Allen play when he WASNT just a spot up shooter and Rashard Lewis giving people buckets when they were on the Sonics.

They were both shells of their former selves with the heat. It's more about proving a point. These weren't some bench players that went to play on the heat.

Scrubs, no but the 04-10 Cavs were some truly unimpressive teams, some of which were comparable to Kobe's 06-07.

[Overdrive]

Del Harris, Kurt Rambis as coaches before 2000? Do they still trade Eddie Jones for an over the hill Glen Rice?

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Scrubs, no but the 04-10 Cavs were some truly unimpressive teams, some of which were comparable to Kobe's 06-07.

Agreed. But that team was HIGHLY constructed around Lebron and I believe that is consistently the problem with teams that are tailored to Lebron. They can't win because they're extremely dependent on him and forget they're professionals.


This Cavs team is good though and built much better. But until Lebron is able to make jumpers consistently, I'm sure I'll keep hearing excuses about his teammates every year.

[3ball]

Both Lebron and Shaq are predictable players with limited methods of scoring, which made them exploitable, and ultimately susceptible to losing as the favorite, which they both did many times: Shaq (1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2005), Lebron (2009, 2010, 2011, and more (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12315760&postcount=6))

[aj1987]

This little boy has had a a 37 year old kobe in his mouth since last October but now I can't talk about a 37 year old shaq? Lol.

Rashard Lewis was a part of the Orlando team that bounced them out of the ECF you dumbass. Lol. Lebron stans stay disrespecting good players.
Are you high right now?


He played with Shaq once and go no rings. Played with Wade, Bosh, Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen and only got one ring. Lol.
So, where is Rashard, right now? Dude played with the Magic 4 years before signing with the Heat. You might be too your to remember this, but dude was suspended after testing positive for PED's.

When did I ever say that 37 year old Kobe needed to do something or prove something? Dumbass.

[tpols]

Both Lebron and Shaq are predictable players with limited methods of scoring, which made them exploitable, and ultimately susceptible to losing as the favorite, which they both did many times: Shaq (1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2005), Lebron (2009, 2010, 2011, and more (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12315760&postcount=6))

not only that, but they both take vast majority of their shots at the rim and there would be no semblance of midrange game from anybody on the team. If you think 80s / 90s paint was packed, it would be next level in this case. Spurs might be sitting on 7-8 titles right now.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

How many championship for the Lakers from 1996 to 2004?A better question would be... Replace Lebron with Kobe on the Miami team 2011-2014 and how many titles do Miami win? I'd say it's safe to say at least 3 titles... 2011, 2012, 2013 and probably 2014 if Kobe doesn't get injured and it's very likely if he was on that stacked heat team he probably would of been injured or at least he would not have missed as many games as he did with the Lakers thus more than likely the Heat would have won the title in 2014 also. Not too mention he would not have pulled a bitch move and left the Heat after 4 years... So good chance they would have won not 5, not 6 but 7 titles.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bron isnt stinking it up against POR and SAC like Kobe did... POR series won't even go 7 games, and Bron ain't missing 12 straight shots in the SAC game 7 like Kobe :oldlol:

1999-2004. Two of the 5 greatest ever during their prime? 6-peat.

[Magic 32]

This is like Lebron23's obligatory annual confident thread :oldlol:

Can't wait for June.

[aj1987]

A better question would be... Replace Lebron with Kobe on the Miami team 2011-2014 and how many titles do Miami win? I'd say it's safe to say at least 3 titles... 2011, 2012, 2013 and probably 2014 if Kobe doesn't get injured and it's very likely if he was on that stacked heat team he probably would of been injured or at least he would not have missed as many games as he did with the Lakers thus more than likely the Heat would have won the title in 2014 also. Not too mention he would not have pulled a bitch move and left the Heat after 4 years... So good chance they would have won not 5, not 6 but 7 titles.
2011 - IF they get past the Bulls, they might win it all in the Finals. After all, Wade did go ham on the Mavs.

2012 - Not getting past the Celtics

2013 - Not getting past the Pacers

2014 - IF, and that a big if, they get to the Finals, they get beatdown harder than with LeBron.

So, one ring at the most.

[ArbitraryWater]

2011 - IF they get past the Bulls, they might win it all in the Finals. After all, Wade did go ham on the Mavs.

2012 - Not getting past the Celtics

2013 - Not getting past the Pacers

2014 - IF, and that a big if, they get to the Finals, they get beatdown harder than with LeBron.

So, one ring at the most.

Pretty much...

summed up, in Bron's position, I see Kobe winning once ('11)...

in Kobe's position, I see Bron winning the most Rings ever... '99-'04, '08-10, '12-13.

[tpols]

A better question would be... Replace Lebron with Kobe on the Miami team 2011-2014 and how many titles do Miami win? I'd say it's safe to say at least 3 titles... 2011, 2012, 2013 and probably 2014 if Kobe doesn't get injured and it's very likely if he was on that stacked heat team he probably would of been injured or at least he would not have missed as many games as he did with the Lakers thus more than likely the Heat would have won the title in 2014 also. Not too mention he would not have pulled a bitch move and left the Heat after 4 years... So good chance they would have won not 5, not 6 but 7 titles.

any all star player could be put on those Heat teams and they would win 2 or more titles.. so its not saying much tbh.

Id actually be really interested to see how much better Bosh couldve been incorporated w/ a Melo type on those Heat squads, working the midrange.

[aj1987]

any all star player could be put on those Heat teams and they would win 2 or more titles.. so its not saying much tbh.

Id actually be really interested to see how much better Bosh couldve been incorporated w/ a Melo type on those Heat squads, working the midrange.
You do know that the Heat won several series and a shit ton of games because of LeBron's defense and playmaking, right?

Melo on the Heat? They wouldn't even make the Finals once. Well, probably limp to the Finals in '14. That's it.

A better example is replacing Kobe with a borderline All-Star player. Someone like JJ Reddick. The Lakers would've won 5 straight from '00-'04.

[tpols]

You do know that the Heat won several series and a shit ton of games because of LeBron's defense and playmaking, right?

Melo on the Heat? They wouldn't even make the Finals once. Well, probably limp to the Finals in '14. That's it.

A better example is replacing Kobe with a borderline All-Star player. Someone like JJ Reddick. The Lakers would've won 5 straight from '00-'04.

The Heat were already a top 6 defense before 2011 .. so they had potential to be elite defensively w/o Lebron or Bosh. Adding Bosh to the mix, and then filling it out like they did with tremendous defenders, shane battiers, birdman, chalmers etc would have the Heat right in that top 3-5 category every year.


and Lebron's playmaking is overlapped w/ Wades.. a lot of diminishing returns there, where if you lose Lebron's A+ playmaking, you can still replace it with Wade A playmaking.. which isnt much of a loss. And then on the other hand you can utilize Bosh in the midrange more w/o Bron which would take him to ~B+ capacity, up from C at best which is about what he was under the Heat.. making up the difference pretty handily.


And then Melo to finish games w/ that iso midrange ability? It would give them a whole new dimension. :eek:

[Bandito]

Replace 2011-2014 LeBron with Kobe, how many chips do they win? Easily more than 2
2011-2014 Kobe? They don't even sniff the Conference Finals. That team was too dependent on Lebron after Wade got older.

[aj1987]

The Heat were already a top 6 defense before 2011 .. so they had potential to be elite defensively w/o Lebron or Bosh. Adding Bosh to the mix, and then filling it out like they did with tremendous defenders, shane battiers, birdman, chalmers etc would have the Heat right in that top 3-5 category every year.
Basketball doesn't work that way. Miami's defense shut down elite players though their trapping defense. Wade and LeBron absolutely mauling on the perimeter and Bosh helping with the pick and rolls. Carmelo was not even close to being half the defender that LeBron was from '11-'13.


and Lebron's playmaking is overlapped w/ Wades.. a lot of diminishing returns there, where if you lose Lebron's A+ playmaking, you can still replace it with Wade A playmaking..
:facepalm

Except, you have ONE elite and high IQ playmaker now, instead of two. Do you remember what Wade and LeBron were doing? Carmelo was not will never be more effecting with Wade running the fast break.


which isnt much of a loss. And then on the other hand you can utilize Bosh in the midrange more w/o Bron which would take him to ~B+ capacity, up from C at best which is about what he was under the Heat we witnessed.. making up the difference pretty handily.
41% of Bosh's shots were outside 10ft during the '10 season with the Raptors. 53% with the Heat during the '11 season.


And then Melo to finish games w/ that iso midrange ability? It would give them a whole new dimension. :eek:
Carmelo is a worse clutch performer than LeBron.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/2/29/2832299/lebron-james-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade-clutch-nba-playoffs-4th-quarter

[Bandito]

You do know that the Heat won several series and a shit ton of games because of LeBron's defense and playmaking, right?

Melo on the Heat? They wouldn't even make the Finals once. Well, probably limp to the Finals in '14. That's it.

A better example is replacing Kobe with a borderline All-Star player. Someone like JJ Reddick. The Lakers would've won 5 straight from '00-'04.
What a ****ing retard:lol :lol :lol

[aj1987]

I'm a ****ing retard:lol :lol :lol
Agreed. :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It would be totally dependent on LeBron's ability to shoot.

If he's the mediocre shooter we've all known him to be for MOST his career, the Lakers win less with him.

Circa 2013 and 2014 though? LeBron would gotta have another one of his meltdowns to f*ck that up, kinda like his fanboys do in every thread about him. :oldlol:

[toprange]

How many championship for the Lakers from 1996 to 2004?
:roll: :roll:
No way in hell shaq allows lebron to stat pad. So how the hell does lebron get his assists, rebounds and pts (the paint will be clogged up with shaq and his defenders). This would possibly be the worst team shaq would have been on. Wouldn't have lasted long

[Bandito]

Agreed. :cheers:
Nicely played:cheers:

[Bankaii]

Kobetards are the most irrational bunch of idiots in the world.
Seriously it's a hypothetical situation and they're still posting bs.

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Kobetards are the most irrational bunch of idiots in the world.
Seriously it's a hypothetical situation and they're still posting bs.


The majority of your posts are about a 37 year old retired bball player...

But you're not irrational at all :lol

[Disaprine]

I don't think shaq would like being put in the 3 point line all game. :cry:

[Showtime2001]

A better example is replacing Kobe with a borderline All-Star player. Someone like JJ Reddick. The Lakers would've won 5 straight from '00-'04.
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/136085/2479220-1578648373-gw-cl.gif

[Bankaii]

The majority of your posts are about a 37 year old retired bball player...

But you're not irrational at all :lol
If by majority you mean less than 1/4 then sure.
Unlike you, I'm not on here strictly to bash a player I don't like.

And even when I do bad talk Kobe, I use stats to support my claim.
You just spout out baseless bullshit like a bitch.

[aj1987]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/136085/2479220-1578648373-gw-cl.gif
Great insight as always, little man.

[riseagainst]

A better example is replacing Kobe with a borderline All-Star player. Someone like JJ Reddick. The Lakers would've won 5 straight from '00-'04.

http://eduncovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/its-time-to-stop-posting.jpg

[Showtime2001]

Great insight as always, big man.
:cheers:

[aj1987]

Chokebe turds proving ITT just how retarded they are. You might want to read the post I quoted.


any all star player could be put on those Heat teams and they would win 2 or more titles.. so its not saying much tbh.