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NZStreetBaller
05-05-2016, 05:23 AM
Its gotta be over 80 percent??

ImKobe
05-05-2016, 05:24 AM
Well, over 80% of his attempts were jump shots, so there's that.

ScalsFan21
05-05-2016, 05:27 AM
Its gotta be over 80 percent??

Well are you citing this as a good thing or a bad thing? Because he only spent a small percentage of his career on bad teams which would justify his historic ball-dominant chucking.

I'd be interested to know how many contested shots the Mamba launched from the span of like... 1998 to 2004. Or even during the Gasol years.

He obviously took a TON of tough shots in the mid-2000s and some of the scoring binges he went on in spite of that were a true sight to behold.

BigTicket
05-05-2016, 05:33 AM
Most of them were probably contested, since he never figured out how to get good shots.

Dray n Klay
05-05-2016, 05:35 AM
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Why contest a shot thats going to miss anyway, lmao?

Spurs m8
05-05-2016, 05:37 AM
So what's this going to further prove?

He was a ball hog that took low IQ shots.

bobopenguin
05-05-2016, 05:43 AM
contested is not a right word to describe.
most of time it was literally kobe vs 3 or 4 or 5, while still making those shots.

that's kobe's level, while lebron is busy flopping and travel his way to final.

3ball
05-05-2016, 06:13 AM
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Each stat is linked to NBA.COM:

Over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................1.7%................17.2%........ .....41.6%.............39.5%




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%

3ball
05-05-2016, 06:13 AM
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It makes sense that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

However, a shortened 3-point line would reduce a defender's closeout distance by 3-4 feet, thus eliminating the extra room the Warriors enjoy on most of their 3-pointers.



It's easier for 3-point shooters in today's game:


Driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Consequently, good 3-point shooters in the 80's and 90's didn't benefit from offenses that were based on their strength like today's 3-point shooters do.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for most of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to just stand there and wait for kickouts like today's player.



Today's higher number of halfcourt 3-pointers slows down pace


3-pointers have ALWAYS needed to be more open, much more than 2-pointers - certainly, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers.. Since 3-pointers must be more open, today's teams need to run more offense, resulting in slower pace and less PPG.

Otoh, previous eras barely shot 3-pointers - instead, they settled for one contested 2-pointer after another, without needing to run as much offense.


Better 3-point shooting has allowed drive-and-kick to surpass post-ups


Now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.



Curry's good shooting is an EXCEPTION among the league's top scorers, just like Jordan's would be:


Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler had sub-par efficiency on 3-pointers AND midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11712984&postcount=40) for most of their careers, yet they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had documented (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) goat midrange efficiency, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrook and company.

3ball
05-05-2016, 06:15 AM
Its gotta be over 80 percent??


Looks like it's about 65% (scroll down to 3rd last section, and look at 3rd column):

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


Compare kobe's 65% contested frequency to Curry's 47% - Curry's is lower because he takes twice as many threes, 70% of which are considered "open" or "wide open", as described by NBA.com (and posted above):

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
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