So according to Lebron stans, nothing he has done so far in the playoffs counts

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because from everything I've learned on ISH, if you're the second option that means your playoff run doesn't count.

Right guys?

[ShawkFactory]

If you're still clearly the best player I would think it would still count.

[stalkerforlife]

OP just exposed the hell out of that argument.

LMAO.

[Dray n Klay]

He isn't the second option though

[TheMarkMadsen]

Also, according to Lebron stans Kobe got carried by an 18/10 PF while Kobe put up 30/6/6

Kyrie is currently averaging 25ppg, Love putting up 17/12, Earl with 15ppg on 71% TS

So not only does this not count, he's getting carried too :(

Not a good time for that Lebron stan logic :(

[coin24]

Kyrie batman #1 option:applause:

Will LePippen even score 30 points in the playoffs??

[riseagainst]

He isn't the second option though


Correct, he is the third option,

[TheMarkMadsen]

OP just exposed the hell out of that argument.

LMAO.


Pretty easy when they can't stick to their own logic.

We are talking about a fan base who prides themselves on "efficiency" and then praised a 41% FG playoff run last year and thought that taking 33 shots to score 35 points per game in the finals was GOAT level

when you think about that

you realize how they know that winning > everything, which is why they hate Kobe so much

[aj1987]

Because from everything I've learned on ISH, if you're the second option that means your playoff run doesn't count.

Right guys?
Wait. You think Irving is the #1 option? :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

Is OP having a stroke again or am I missing something?

[Rocketswin2013]

kyrie irving hasnt been better than lebron.

[Showtime2001]

LeTards melting down.

[Indian guy]

WOW....the level of mental damage LeBron has inflicted on Kobe fans continues to boggle the mind. I don't think we'll ever witness another athlete in our lifetime who so thoroughly owns another fanbase. There's no line Kobe fans aren't willing to cross to come off like world's biggest losers when it comes to LeBron. He just makes them so obsessive, desperate and stupid. And all for what? None of this will change the fact that is LeBron>Kobe in the world's eyes. GOD, that must be so depressing for them.

[Im Still Ballin]

This is cute

[Hey Yo]

When a superstar player, plays in the Finals, regardless of the outcome, what's put under the microscope more after the seasons over? His play in the first 3 rounds or his play in the Finals?

[PJR]

WOW....the level of mental damage LeBron has inflicted on Kobe fans continues to boggle the mind. I don't think we'll ever witness another athlete in our lifetime who so thoroughly owns another fanbase. There's no line Kobe fans aren't willing to cross to come off like world's biggest losers when it comes to LeBron. He just makes them so obsessive, desperate and stupid. And all for what? None of this will change the fact that is LeBron>Kobe in the world's eyes. GOD, that must be so depressing for them.

This is pretty accurate.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So far

Nobody has addressed this hypocritical logic

[Hey Yo]

So far

Nobody has addressed this hypocritical logic
So you're saying that Kyrie is first option in your mind because he's avg. more points?

[SouBeachTalents]

24/8/7 on 51% plus better defense > 25/2/6 on 47%

Although if Kyrie outscores LeBron by 10 ppg in the Finals like Shaq did with Kobe, then you'd have an argument

[TheMarkMadsen]

So you're saying that Kyrie is first option in your mind because he's avg. more points?


how else do you measure who the first option is?

[Chokefree]

Im meltingdown
Fixed

[PP34Deuce]

Correct, he is the third option,

Actually, he is more the attacker who's pulling the defense in and kicking out to wide open guys. Teams are still packing the paint so he can't get to the basket.

In before someone says, "Because he can't shoot." Yea, he can't shoot but he's still able to get in the lane and it's pulling 2 defenders in leaving wide open shots for shooters.

He's playing more like a PG than ever with a mix of big man defense. He's also been playing more off the ball along with other CAVS.

[34-24 Footwork]

So you're saying that Kyrie is first option in your mind because he's avg. more points?


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Chill out before you kill your Shaq>>>Kobe 3peat argument little fella.

Lol. You're really wanna take this bait?

[34-24 Footwork]

Yea, he can't shoot but he's still able to get in the lane because it's the eastern conference

Agreed.

[Nash]

how else do you measure who the first option is?
why you stuck on the wording 'first option'.

How about asking who 'the man' is on the team?
24/8/7 makes Lebron the man.

[34-24 Footwork]

why you stuck on the wording 'first option'.

How about asking who 'the man' is on the team?
24/8/7 makes Lebron the man.

Kyrie has CLEARLY been the man...with MUCH LESS effort, I may add.

[SouBeachTalents]

why you stuck on the wording 'first option'.

How about asking who 'the man' is on the team?
24/8/7 makes Lebron the man.

Was just gonna post something similar, Russell, Magic, and Wilt (on his title teams) weren't their teams first options, but they were still their teams best players

[ArbitraryWater]

meltdown

[Kblaze8855]

Its always been best player. Always. Nobody ever said James worthy led teams to rings becuse he outscored Magic on several finals runs. Hell Byron scott outscored magic one or two playoff runs too you never heard that he was leading anyone anywhere. You have never heard anyone say Jojo White led the Celtics to a ring. Or that Sam Jones or Hal Greer led their teams to titles. The year Robert Parish outscored Bird in the playoffs....he sure as hell wasnt getting credit for what the team accomplished. Maurice Lucas outscored Bill Walton in 77 and 90% of ISH doesnt even know who that is.

Leading scorer can change in a night or two. The leading scorer has never mattered more than who was percieved to be the teams best player and leader.

Kobe outscored Shaq at different points during their 3peat. He took more shots. And in the end the question was....is Shaq the most dominant player ever. Nobody gave a shit what they were scoring through ____ games. And why would they? Put Damian Lilliard and Hakeem on the same team today he might well be that teams leading scorer. He would no doubt lead them in some individual series.

Nobody would call it his team or credit him with what they accomplished.

Its never worked that way. Leading scorer at the moment(over 5-6 games especially) can be anyone. The teams best player...the guy who history credits....changing that is a long process.

[34-24 Footwork]

Its always been best player. Always. Nobody ever said James worthy led teams to rings becuse he outscored Magic on several finals runs. Hell Byron scott outscored magic one or two playoff runs too you never heard that he was leading anyone anywhere. You have never heard anyone say Jojo White led the Celtics to a ring. Or that Sam Jones or Hal Greer led their teams to titles. The year Robert Parish outscored Bird in the playoffs....he sure as hell wasnt getting credit for what the team accomplished. Maurice Lucas outscored Bill Walton in 77 and 90% of ISH doesnt even know who that is.

Leading scorer can change in a night or two. The leading scorer has never mattered more than who was percieved to be the teams best player and leader.

Kobe outscored Shaq at different points during their 3peat. He took more shots. And in the end the question was....is Shaq the most dominant player ever. Nobody gave a shit what they were scoring through ____ games. And why would they? Put Damian Lilliard and Hakeem on the same team today he might well be that teams leading scorer. He would no doubt lead them in some individual series.

Nobody would call it his team or credit him with what they accomplished.

Its never worked that way. Leading scorer at the moment(over 5-6 games especially) can be anyone. The teams best player...the guy who history credits....changing that is a long process.


While I agree, this HAS NOT been the argument used on ISH against certain players. There has to be consistency in this regard

[TheMarkMadsen]

why you stuck on the wording 'first option'.

How about asking who 'the man' is on the team?
24/8/7 makes Lebron the man.


the man has been Kyrie for four out of six playoff games and he's been very good in the other two. Took 9 shots to score 19 points last night

28ppg on 59% TS in the first round to Lebron's 23ppg on 54% TS

since when does not leading your team in scoring or rebound but only in assist make you the man?

Kobe did that for three straight championships and gets no credit from you guys, just trying to follow your logic here :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

While I agree, this HAS NOT been the argument used on ISH against certain players. There has to be consistency in this regard

It really hasnt, guys like ImKobe only posting Kobe's stats as first option because apparently the Shaq period hindered his scoring prowess...


So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:

this still has never been said, ever...

stuff going on in your head, its worrying

[Kblaze8855]

Why exactly would there be consistency? Is a teams leading scorer consistently the one credited with how well it plays? You might think so before you look into it but.....no. Not really. Too many examples going the other way. It is....as with most things...case by case. People have been credited with rings as the 5th leading scorer. You dont get that as the 5th best player.

That part of it is consistent. Its always...ALWAYS...been the best player. Calling it leading scorer and acting like they have ever really been synonymous in Lebron or anyones fans opinions is just dishonest.

Not like people who say Kobe doesnt get credit for leading those Laker teams deny that he at times outscored shaq. Its not an issue of opinion. He did. Especially over short stretches like we are talking here(6 games). Everyone saw it. Few if any cared just like now.

The best player....the teams leader....got the glory. Then and now.

Who the leading scorer is for a couple weeks has never decided that.

And thats been consistent throughout all history.

[34-24 Footwork]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:


It's over

Mark Madsen = Gawd

Lebron stans = Sodom and Gomorrah

R.I.P

[TheMarkMadsen]

It really hasnt, guys like ImKobe only posting Kobe's stats as first option because apparently the Shaq period hindered his scoring prowess...



this still has never been said, ever...

stuff going on in your head, its worrying


Oh you really want to claim that nobody on ish has ever said Kobes rings with Shaq don't count??

:roll: :roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

Why exactly would there be consistency? Is a teams leading scorer consistently the one credited with how well it plays? Not really. It is....as with most things...case by case. People have been credited with rings as the 5th leading scorer. You dont get that as the 5th best player.

That part of it is consistent. Its always...ALWAYS...been the best player. Calling it leading scorer and acting like they have ever really been synonymous in Lebron or anyones fans opinions is just dishonest.

Not like people who say Kobe doesnt get credit for leading those Laker teams deny that he at times outscored shaq. Its not an issue of opinion. He did. Especially over short stretches like we are talking here(6 games). Everyone saw it. Few if any cared just like now.

The best player....the teams leader....got the glory. Then and now.

Who the leading scorer is for a couple weeks has never decided that.

And thats been consistent throughout all history.



So what happens when Kyrie is the leading scorer for every round of the playoffs, then BOTH Lebron and Kyrie get locked down in the finals?

Who gets credit for getting them to the finals?

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh you really want to claim that nobody on ish has ever said Kobes rings with Shaq don't count??

:roll: :roll:

this would be like me making threads about what "GOATbe" or "StillBallin" or whatever are saying.. theyre trolls and not the majority, you take them as the majority, theres a group of fans left outside of insidehoops, start thinking and making points refering to THEM (if you are into proving people wrong about whatever bothers you).

[Kblaze8855]

since when does not leading your team in scoring or rebound but only in assist make you the man?


You ask that but you already know the answer. You didnt start watching yesterday. And even if you did you have read enough here and heard enough to know many answers to that question. You really want a list? Really? As if you couldnt write one out yourself?

[ArbitraryWater]

So what happens when Kyrie is the leading scorer for every round of the playoffs, then BOTH Lebron and Kyrie get locked down in the finals?

Who gets credit for getting them to the finals?

Its always been the best player, why do you so badly want it different this time? :oldlol:

You guys are lost.

[Nilocon165]

Why is everyone on ish so autistic and insecure? Grow up you man babies

[Kblaze8855]

So what happens when Kyrie is the leading scorer for every round of the playoffs, then BOTH Lebron and Kyrie get locked down in the finals?

Who gets credit for getting them to the finals?

The best player.....exactly as its always been. Worthy put up 13ppg more than Magic in the second round then 5 more ppg in the WCF the year they lost to the Pistons. Nobody credited James Worthy with leading a team to the finals. The other guy....might score more for a few nights and be leading scorer because of it. Even a couple series. Or all of them. They dont get the credit. Not now....not ever.

[Showtime2001]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:
:roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:


:lebronamazed:

[Showtime2001]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:
You forgot to add Duncan's jaw dropping 5/2/6 in the playoffs so far clearly counts as an alpha "the man" ring too if they win. :eek:

[34-24 Footwork]

You forgot to add Duncan's jaw dropping 5/2/6 in the playoffs so far clearly counts as an alpha "the man" ring too if they win. :eek:

But lemme tell you how efficient he is though.....

[aj1987]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:
Who said it's a "great run"? I see people saying that he's the first option and not Irving.

[sdot_thadon]

Indian guy and kblaze carpet bombed this abomination of a thread. :applause:

[warriorfan]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:

holy shit this thread is death to the lebron stans :roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

Mark sonning these bishes.

:applause:

[Smoke117]

Stop melting down, loser.

[stalkerforlife]

So according to Lebron stans

24/8/7 on 57% TS = great run so far

but 29/7/6 on 56% TS = ring doesn't count

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Oh. My. Ether.

:lol

[Straight_Ballin]

Because from everything I've learned on ISH, if you're the second option that means your playoff run doesn't count.

Right guys?

Correct, when Wade out performed him for Miami's 2 rings, he was a good 2nd man but when given the chance to be the #1 option, he failed 4 times in the finals and his playoff performances thus far causes me to believe that there is no scenario where he could outplay Pippen in a head to head.

[ShawkFactory]

Correct, when Wade out performed him for Miami's 2 rings, he was a good 2nd man but when given the chance to be the #1 option, he failed 4 times in the finals and his playoff performances thus far causes me to believe that there is no scenario where he could outplay Pippen in a head to head.
:coleman:

[Bankaii]

Kobetards are so insecure.
Kob was a sidekick, Lebron isnt.
Quit melting down over it.

[ImKobe]

Lebron is slowly turning into Tim Duncan in terms of becoming a role player in a system, he's basically equivalent to a game manager in the NFL at this stage of this career...he's still the QB but he's Peyton Manning on the 2015 Broncos...good enough to run plays and lead the team but not able to do things he did in his prime.

Sad to watch, but happy that he finally has a system to carry him.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron is slowly turning into Tim Duncan in terms of becoming a role player in a system, he's basically equivalent to a game manager in the NFL at this stage of this career...he's still the QB but he's Peyton Manning on the 2015 Broncos...good enough to run plays and lead the team but not able to do things he did in his prime.

Sad to watch, but happy that he finally has a system to carry him.
:oldlol:

:facepalm

[Smoke117]

Lebron is slowly turning into Tim Duncan in terms of becoming a role player in a system, he's basically equivalent to a game manager in the NFL at this stage of this career...he's still the QB but he's Peyton Manning on the 2015 Broncos...good enough to run plays and lead the team but not able to do things he did in his prime.

Sad to watch, but happy that he finally has a system to carry him.

:biggums: Kobe stans...by far the dumbest fanbase on ish. :lol

[Chokefree]

Mark bodied lebronze stans LMAO

[Hey Yo]

Mark bodied lebronze stans LMAO
Just like you got on your tip toes to drop the fries into the friar.

[Showtime2001]

Kobetards are so insecure.
Kob was a sidekick, Lebron isnt.
Quit melting down over it.
http://s32.postimg.org/fte53qayt/BXh_Kw_Lu.jpg

[Bankaii]

http://s32.postimg.org/fte53qayt/BXh_Kw_Lu.jpg
2004 Finals says hi.

You're comparing Lebron's worst choke to Kobe at his best being a sidekick for half of his career.:roll:

[Showtime2001]

2004 Finals says hi.

You're comparing Lebron's worst choke to Kobe at his best being a sidekick for half of his career.:roll:
LeBronze was a sidekick in 2011.

Fact get over it.

Let the meltdown continue you LeTard.

:yaohappy:

[aj1987]

2004 Finals says hi.

You're comparing Lebron's worst choke to Kobe at his best being a sidekick for half of his career.:roll:
Can you post the stats from the '00 and '04 finals?

[Bankaii]

Can you post the stats from the '00 and '04 finals?
2000 Kobe: 16/5/4 on 37%.
2000 Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%.

Shaq had more rebounds than Kobe did points and a higher PPG than Kobe's FG%:roll:

2004 Kobe: 23/3/4 on 38%.
2004 Shaq: 27/11/2 on 63%.

Kobe also took 29 more FGA than Shaq:roll: .

He wasn't a sidekick though.

[Showtime2001]

2000 Kobe: 16/5/4 on 37%.
2000 Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%.

Shaq had more rebounds than Kobe did points and a higher PPG than Kobe's FG%:roll:

2004 Kobe: 23/3/4 on 38%.
2004 Shaq: 27/11/2 on 63%.

Kobe also took 29 more FGA than Shaq:roll: .

He wasn't a sidekick though.
Post Kobe's numbers from the 01' and 02' playoffs runs....

Oh thats right you won't because it doesn't fit your "sidekick" agenda.

:roll: :roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

It was AJ, Plowking and the Filipino Bran stan that said Kobe was NEVER doubled in the playoffs.

A matter of weeks later, Mark Madsen posted like 20 gifs showing double teams from the entire three peat.

Then they quickly scrambled.

They weren't watching basketball back then and it shows in every comment.

[Showtime2001]

It was AJ, Plowking and the Filipino Bran stan that said Kobe was NEVER doubled in the playoffs.

A matter of weeks later, Mark Madsen posted like 20 gifs showing double teams from the entire three peat.

Then they quickly scrambled.

They weren't watching basketball back then and it shows in every comment.
Thats what they do best deflect, deflect, deflect.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

Thats what they do best deflect, deflect, deflect.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

"Post Kobe's numbers from the 01' and 02' playoffs runs....

Oh thats right you won't because it doesn't fit your "sidekick" agenda."


I don't I've ever seen a worse pot calling the kettle black.

[knicksman]

Why argue with bran stans? Theres a reason why theyre 2/6 coz they dont know shit

[ShawkFactory]

Why argue with bran stans? Theres a reason why theyre 2/6 coz they dont know shit
Lebrons 2/6 because his fans don't know shit?

You know less than any human being I've ever encountered

Fvcking dumbass weasel.

[Bankaii]

Post Kobe's numbers from the 01' and 02' playoffs runs....

Oh thats right you won't because it doesn't fit your "sidekick" agenda.

:roll: :roll:
I like how you completely deflected because you had no response to Kobe's shit play. But sure I'll post the stats from the most important series...

2001 Kobe: 25/8/6 on 41%.
2001 Shaq: 33/16/5 on 56%.
And this is with Kobe only taking 4 less shots the entire series.

2002 Kobe: 27/6/5 on 51%.
2002 Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%.
This is Kobe's ONLY Finals shooting over 43%:roll:

Most importantly, Shaq=3 FMVP, Kobe=0 FMVP.

"5/7 doe". "He wasn't a sidekick doe". "5 rangz doe".
Must be nice having the MDE win the Finals for you even when you play worse than a role player.

[Showtime2001]

I like how you completely deflected because you had no response to Kobe's shit play. But sure I'll post the stats from the most important series...

2001 Kobe: 25/8/6 on 41%.
2001 Shaq: 33/16/5 on 56%.
And this is with Kobe only taking 4 less shots the entire series.

2002 Kobe: 27/6/5 on 51%.
2002 Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%.
This is Kobe's ONLY Finals shooting over 43%:roll:

Most importantly, Shaq=3 FMVP, Kobe=0 FMVP.

"5/7 doe". "He wasn't a sidekick doe". "5 rangz doe".
Must be nice having the MDE win the Finals for you even when you play worse than a role player.
Sorry I don't see any "sidekick" numbers those look like 2 #1 option numbers.

Most importantly, "MDE" = 4 rings, "sidekick" = 5 rings.

Oh by the way nice job deflecting the shit series your boy had in 11' as a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh and also his choke job in 07' with the Cavs.

"No help doe." "He did all the work doe." "2/6 aint his fault doe."

Hold this L

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Sorry I don't see any "sidekick" numbers those look like 2 #1 option numbers.

Most importantly, "MDE" = 4 rings, "sidekick" = 5 rings.

Oh by the way nice job deflecting the shit series your boy had in 11' as a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh and also his choke job in 07' with the Cavs.

"No help doe." "He did all the work doe." "2/6 aint his fault doe."

Hold this L

:oldlol: :oldlol:
Kobe is only "#1 option that can average 25 points on 41% and bailed out to a ring and still get praised for it by his dumb stans lol.

You're one to talk about deflecting. I showed you 5 different series where Kobe clearly was a sidekick and all you did was ignore it because you had no response lol.

And where am I deflecting? I said Lebron choked in 2011, but Kobe choked even harden (how is that even possible) in 2004.
And it's funny how 21-22 year old Lebron is expected to carry a weak supporting cast to the Finals and win against 3 HOFs but 21 year old Kobe plays worse than a role player in the 2000 Finals and gets praise for it.

You're not even making a coherent argument. You're just bitching and melting down becuase I exposed your idol.

[knicksman]

Lebrons 2/6 because his fans don't know shit?

You know less than any human being I've ever encountered

Fvcking dumbass weasel.

The reason why you guys are 2/6 coz you dont know who to root for. You root for bran coz of stats coz you dont know how to judge based on skills. But no worries. Ive been there too.

[ShawkFactory]

The reason why you guys are 2/6 coz you dont know who to root for. You root for bran coz of stats coz you dont know how to judge based on skills. But no worries. Ive been there too.
I don't root for someone base on...

...fvck it.

All this will probably go straight over your head.

[aj1987]

It was AJ, Plowking and the Filipino Bran stan that said Kobe was NEVER doubled in the playoffs.

A matter of weeks later, Mark Madsen posted like 20 gifs showing double teams from the entire three peat.

Then they quickly scrambled.

They weren't watching basketball back then and it shows in every comment.
Point out to where I said he was "NEVER" doubled.

[34-24 Footwork]

Point out to where I said he was "NEVER" doubled.


Lol. Mark Madsen killed you clowns in that thread:lol :lol

It was silent for like 2 pages until you and others typed these huge ass comments....backtracking like little divas. You and a slew of the other people who didn't watch basketball back then got EXPOSED BADLY. Ever since then, I just troll you and the aforementioned posters.

Dude legit got TRIPLE teamed in some of those gifs and yall were mad af :lol :lol

[aj1987]

Lol. Mark Madsen killed you clowns in that thread:lol :lol

It was silent for like 2 pages until you and others typed these huge ass comments....backtracking like little divas. You and a slew of the other people who didn't watch basketball back then got EXPOSED BADLY. Ever since then, I just troll you and the aforementioned posters.

Dude legit got TRIPLE teamed in some of those gifs and yall were mad af :lol :lol
I said Shaq was constantly tripled and doubled, you retard. I never said Kobe was "NEVER doubled". I backup all my posts with facts and stats and if I'm wrong about something, I'll admit it unlike you idiots.

You're so shook right now that you're resorting to making shit up. Good for you, kid.

[Keno]

how else do you measure who the first option is?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

most casual question ever. kill yourself.

[ImKobe]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

most casual question ever. kill yourself.

2nd on the team in points, shot attempts, usage rating.

He's a 2nd option, just face it bro.

[Gileraracer]

Because from everything I've learned on ISH, if you're the second option that means your playoff run doesn't count.

Right guys?

Absolutely right :applause:

[toprange]

Because from everything I've learned on ISH, if you're the second option that means your playoff run doesn't count.

Right guys?
Sadly the media and le-stans are the narrators of the nba. 2/6, least conference, colluding to 2 rings, still got lebron to "top 3 all time" in the major news outlet of the nba. Lebron is protected. :(

[jlip]

If Lebron were averaging a 50 pt triple double with his next closest teammate avg. only 3ppg, what team accomplishment would anyone be celebrating at this point? All the Cavs have done is defeated an 8 seed and maintained home court after two games in the second round. So far, in these playoffs, neither he or any other individual Cav has "done" anything particularly noteworthy as to add to his legacy.

[DLeagueWannabe]

WOW....the level of mental damage LeBron has inflicted on Kobe fans continues to boggle the mind. I don't think we'll ever witness another athlete in our lifetime who so thoroughly owns another fanbase. There's no line Kobe fans aren't willing to cross to come off like world's biggest losers when it comes to LeBron. He just makes them so obsessive, desperate and stupid. And all for what? None of this will change the fact that is LeBron>Kobe in the world's eyes. GOD, that must be so depressing for them.

I remember you. You used to be a Bulls fans.

[HurricaneKid]

Kobe is only "#1 option that can average 25 points on 41% and bailed out to a ring and still get praised for it by his dumb stans lol.

You're one to talk about deflecting. I showed you 5 different series where Kobe clearly was a sidekick and all you did was ignore it because you had no response lol.

And where am I deflecting? I said Lebron choked in 2011, but Kobe choked even harden (how is that even possible) in 2004.
And it's funny how 21-22 year old Lebron is expected to carry a weak supporting cast to the Finals and win against 3 HOFs but 21 year old Kobe plays worse than a role player in the 2000 Finals and gets praise for it.

You're not even making a coherent argument. You're just bitching and melting down becuase I exposed your idol.

Damn. His mama gonna cry when she sees what you done to him.

[tpols]

it doesnt matter .. bran will be 2/7 shortly.

[LebronsHairline]

meltdown

Cliche

[riseagainst]

OP has jimmies rustled.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe is only "#1 option that can average 25 points on 41% and bailed out to a ring and still get praised for it by his dumb stans lol.

You're one to talk about deflecting. I showed you 5 different series where Kobe clearly was a sidekick and all you did was ignore it because you had no response lol.

And where am I deflecting? I said Lebron choked in 2011, but Kobe choked even harden (how is that even possible) in 2004.
And it's funny how 21-22 year old Lebron is expected to carry a weak supporting cast to the Finals and win against 3 HOFs but 21 year old Kobe plays worse than a role player in the 2000 Finals and gets praise for it.

You're not even making a coherent argument. You're just bitching and melting down becuase I exposed your idol.
You keep bringing up the 2000 Finals where Kobe was intentionally taken out by Jalen Rose and was out for a game and thats probably the only series where you can argue that he was a sidekick and yes Kobe did play like shit in the 2004 Finals but LeBronze was worse in 2011 clearly he was a sidekick to Wade and Bosh.
Everything else that you have been babbling about is just agenda driven BS because you are clearly mad because your idol is 2/6 and soon to be 2/7.

Continue to deflect continue staying mad.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

You keep bringing up the 2000 Finals where Kobe was intentionally taken out by Jalen Rose and was out for a game and thats probably the only series where you can argue that he was a sidekick and yes Kobe did play like shit in the 2004 Finals but LeBronze was worse in 2011 clearly he was a sidekick to Wade and Bosh.
Everything else that you have been babbling about is just agenda driven BS because you are clearly mad because your idol is 2/6 and soon to be 2/7.

Continue to deflect continue staying mad.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


My god you really aren't self aware are you.

[Showtime2001]

My god you really aren't self aware are you.
Wrong account kid.

:oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

Wrong account kid.

:oldlol:

this isn't an alt kid.

[SpursAllDay]

This is pretty inaccurate.
Fixed

[Bankaii]

You keep bringing up the 2000 Finals where Kobe was intentionally taken out by Jalen Rose and was out for a game and thats probably the only series where you can argue that he was a sidekick and yes Kobe did play like shit in the 2004 Finals but LeBronze was worse in 2011 clearly he was a sidekick to Wade and Bosh.
Everything else that you have been babbling about is just agenda driven BS because you are clearly mad because your idol is 2/6 and soon to be 2/7.

Continue to deflect continue staying mad.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Kobe put up 14 points on 13 shots the game before he got hurt.
And he continued to play 30 MPG and chuck up bricks so he obviously wasn't too injured to play. Keep making excuses though.

And Kove was pretty clearly a sidekick in every Finals from 2000-2004 as shown by the stats, quit lying to yourself.

Kobe was absolute shit in 2004, worse than Lebron. Shaq probably could've won the series by himself if Kobe hadn't chucked the team out of contention. Dude was the absolute biggest net negative.

And it's not an agenda when I've posted nothing but facts and stats. All you've done is bitch, deflect, and make excuses.
Lebron could go 2/infinity and still have a better career than RobinBe.

[Bankaii]

My god you really aren't self aware are you.
It's hilarious. Dude has deflected every series I brought up and is trying to say I'm the one deflecting.:roll:

[toprange]

Kobe put up 14 points on 13 shots the game before he got hurt.
And he continued to play 30 MPG and chuck up bricks so he obviously wasn't too injured to play. Keep making excuses though.

And Kove was pretty clearly a sidekick in every Finals from 2000-2004 as shown by the stats, quit lying to yourself.

Kobe was absolute shit in 2004, worse than Lebron. Shaq probably could've won the series by himself if Kobe hadn't chucked the team out of contention. Dude was the absolute biggest net negative.

And it's not an agenda when I've posted nothing but facts and stats. All you've done is bitch, deflect, and make excuses.
Lebron could go 2/infinity and still have a better career than RobinBe.
when your idol has received 2 fmvp's while playing with no superstars on his team then you can talk. That is what you call alpha finals performances. Don't question that kind of greatness :no:

[Knoe Itawl]

I think that because Kobe stans cluster around ISH or places like Lakersground or whatever weirdo Kobe worship forums exist out there, they are shocked to learn that the outside world pretty much believes Lebron clearly better than Bryant. Because all they do is circle jerk each other all day, the fact that their opinion just MIGHT be in the minority doesn't cross their minds. Thus, they are genuinely surprised that normal people ridicule their "arguments" and dismiss them as the crackpot idol worshippers they are.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe put up 14 points on 13 shots the game before he got hurt.
And he continued to play 30 MPG and chuck up bricks so he obviously wasn't too injured to play. Keep making excuses though.

And Kove was pretty clearly a sidekick in every Finals from 2000-2004 as shown by the stats, quit lying to yourself.

Kobe was absolute shit in 2004, worse than Lebron. Shaq probably could've won the series by himself if Kobe hadn't chucked the team out of contention. Dude was the absolute biggest net negative.

And it's not an agenda when I've posted nothing but facts and stats. All you've done is bitch, deflect, and make excuses.
Lebron could go 2/infinity and still have a better career than RobinBe.
Stats in the 01' and 02' playoff runs prove Kobe did not put up "sidekick" numbers thats a fact so thats a nice example of your agenda driven BS the only season that you can argue that he was a clear sidekick was 00'.

Kobe did play like shit in the 04' Finals but everyone who watched both series know that LeBronze shit the bed way worse and not only that he was a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh.

Your agenda driven opinions are not "facts."

2/7 will only add to LeChoke's already tarnished legacy a colluder who quit and took shortcuts.

:yaohappy:

[NBAGOAT]

Stats in the 01' and 02' playoff runs prove Kobe did not put up "sidekick" numbers thats a fact so thats a nice example of your agenda driven BS the only season that you can argue that he was a clear sidekick was 00'.


Kobe did play like shit in the 04' Finals but everyone who watched both series know that LeBronze shit the bed way worse and not only that he was a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh.

Your agenda driven opinions are not "facts."

2/7 will only add to LeChoke's already tarnished legacy a colluder who quit and took shortcuts.

:yaohappy:

Even thought I agree with you(it's close), ik Laker fans who are still salty about 04 and disagree so get out of here with this shit.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think that because Kobe stans cluster around ISH or places like Lakersground or whatever weirdo Kobe worship forums exist out there, they are shocked to learn that the outside world pretty much believes Lebron clearly better than Bryant. Because all they do is circle jerk each other all day, the fact that their opinion just MIGHT be in the minority doesn't cross their minds. Thus, they are genuinely surprised that normal people ridicule their "arguments" and dismiss them as the crackpot idol worshippers they are.


hey look everybody, a guy named kno Itawll who doesn't know shit

from march of 2007


Kobe's a very good second fiddle type of player, but he's just not good enough to be the franchise player on a team. He needs someone better than him in order to win.


I said he's not going to prove his WORTH as a franchise player. Reading comprehension.

after the Gasol trade


And what makes this so beautiful is that I won't have to deal with this "it's his team, it's his team" garbage anymore.

Now there can be NO EXCUSES when he flames out. Now people will actually have to focus on how he ACTUALLY PLAYS instead of blaming everything on his team, even when he stinks it up himself.

I can't wait!

still waiting?




Kobe Bryant is not leading a squad to a championship. I said it then, and I was right (no matter how many Laker fans try to re-write history) and I'm saying it again.

If he couldn't win with Shaq on his team shooting 60% and still dominating people, he's not winning it years older with Pau Gasol.

The only thing this does is get them a few more regular season wins, and make it even more entertaining for me when the inevitable flameout happens.

:roll: :roll:




I don't panic. I don't give in to hype. Kobe Bryant will not lead a team to the title unless it has KG, Duncan, Wade, Bron or someone like that on it. Mark my words.

HOLY SHIT :oldlol: :oldlol:


crawl back into the hole you stayed in from 2008 to 2010

[Showtime2001]

Even thought I agree with you(it's close), ik Laker fans who are still salty about 04 and disagree so get out of here with this shit.
Kobe and LeBron both have had shit finals series and I wasn't the one who brought it up so quit whining.

[NBAGOAT]

Kobe and LeBron both have had shit finals series and I wasn't the one who brought it up so quit whining.

I'm not whining, just calling out some bullshit statement you made that's not true.

[Showtime2001]

I'm not whining, just calling out some bullshit statement you made that's not true.
It's called an opinion.

:rolleyes:

[NBAGOAT]

It's called an opinion.

:rolleyes:

uh no it's an opinion to say Kobe played better than Lebron. It's definitely wrong to say everyone who watched both series thinks that especially as a Lakers fan. :sleeping

[Showtime2001]

uh no it's an opinion to say Kobe played better than Lebron. It's definitely wrong to say everyone who watched both series thinks that especially as a Lakers fan. :sleeping
I didn't say he "played better" I said LeBron's performance was worse they both played like shit.

It's wrong to you but most people agree that LeBron's performance in 11' was worse than Kobe's in 04'.

Bottom line they both played like shit.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

hey look everybody, a guy named kno Itawll who doesn't know shit

from march of 2007





after the Gasol trade



still waiting?



HOLY SHIT :oldlol: :oldlol:


crawl back into the hole you stayed in from 2008 to 2010

:roll: :roll:
RIP Knoe itawl dont post here again, youre finished:oldlol:

[Knoe Itawl]

hey look everybody, a guy named kno Itawll who doesn't know shit

from march of 2007





after the Gasol trade



still waiting?





:roll: :roll:



HOLY SHIT :oldlol: :oldlol:


crawl back into the hole you stayed in from 2008 to 2010

Do you know how much nonsense i could post if I had the desire to go back almost ten years and quote Kobe stans?

Also, did any of that stop:

A. Him never equaling or bettering Jordan (as soooo many stans said he would)

B. Him from being voted 12th all time?

C. Four other players from his era being over him all time?

Yeah, he got his little "Orlando was garbage" and "Boston was injured" titles with his "Gasol should've won them" MVPs, but what did it really do for his legacy?

Bron better. Shaq better. Duncan better. Curry bout to shit all on his legacy.

:oldlol: Kobe's a nice little top 12-16 or so player, but his stans swore he was going top 5 or top 3.

nah, only the biggest stans believe that. And of course, no one cares what they think. :oldlol:

[knicksman]

Do you know how much nonsense i could post if I had the desire to go back almost ten years and quote Kobe stans?

Also, did any of that stop:

A. Him never equaling or bettering Jordan (as soooo many stans said he would)

B. Him from being voted 12th all time?

C. Four other players from his era being over him all time?

Yeah, he got his little "Orlando was garbage" and "Boston was injured" titles with his "Gasol should've won them" MVPs, but what did it really do for his legacy?

Bron better. Shaq better. Duncan better. Curry bout to shit all on his legacy.

:oldlol: Kobe's a nice little top 12-16 or so player, but his stans swore he was going top 5 or top 3.

nah, only the biggest stans believe that. And of course, no one cares what they think. :oldlol:

Still doesnt change the fact that your iq got exposed so bad bro.

[knicksman]

Kobe was the 1st option during the 3peat. He was the one who saved shaqs ass in game 7 against por and he was the go to guy in the clutch during 2001-2002 playoffs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Do you know how much nonsense i could post if I had the desire to go back almost ten years and quote Kobe stans?

Also, did any of that stop:

A. Him never equaling or bettering Jordan (as soooo many stans said he would)

B. Him from being voted 12th all time?

C. Four other players from his era being over him all time?

Yeah, he got his little "Orlando was garbage" and "Boston was injured" titles with his "Gasol should've won them" MVPs, but what did it really do for his legacy?

Bron better. Shaq better. Duncan better. Curry bout to shit all on his legacy.

:oldlol: Kobe's a nice little top 12-16 or so player, but his stans swore he was going top 5 or top 3.

nah, only the biggest stans believe that. And of course, no one cares what they think. :oldlol:

look at this meltdown


you were so damn cocky and thought your opinion was 100% fact, but guess what...

You couldn't have been more wrong :roll:

Kobe didn't need a player better than him to win titles, he didn't need Lebron, wade, duncan, KG, or whoever else you listed, he proved he was a franchise player and could lead a team to a title

eat shit :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bruh what happened to your posting activity after that 2009 ring?

https://www.google.com/search?q=knoe+itawl+insidehoops+site%3Awww.insideh oops.com&biw=1600&bih=756&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F14%2F2009%2Ccd_max%3A12 %2F31%2F2010&tbm=#tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min:6%2F14%2F2009%2Ccd_max:12% 2F31%2F2010&q=knoe+itawl+site:www.insidehoops.com


:roll: :roll:

dude just straight up stopped posting on ISH after that..

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP is notorious for cherry picking his numbers

[TheMarkMadsen]

back to the topic of Lebron fan logic


Kyrie is currently leading the entire eastern conference in PER for the playoffs, don't forget, this is the most important stat there is. So according to Lebron stan logic, Lebron is getting carried.

[TheMarkMadsen]

OP is notorious for cherry picking his numbers


kind of like how you're notorious for making one post every June only to disappear for the next 6 months afterwards?

[KingPush]

OP legit posted 5 times in a row


Meltdown.


Kobe is #12 all time, deal with it.

[34-24 Footwork]

hey look everybody, a guy named kno Itawll who doesn't know shit

from march of 2007





after the Gasol trade



still waiting?





:roll: :roll:



HOLY SHIT :oldlol: :oldlol:


crawl back into the hole you stayed in from 2008 to 2010

GESUS. No wonder why he barely posts here anymore. Funny thing about it...many other people were saying the exact same thing back then. I'd hold a grudge against Lebron if he EVER proved me wrong on THAT LEVEL :lol :lol

[aj1987]

GESUS. No wonder why he barely posts here anymore. Funny thing about it...many other people were saying the exact same thing back then. I'd hold a grudge against Lebron if he EVER proved me wrong on THAT LEVEL :lol :lol
You need a dictionary, kid. While you're at it, try to learn the basics of English grammar.

[Baller1986]

OP legit posted 5 times in a row


Meltdown.


Kobe is #12 all time, deal with it.


This

12thbe
Terriblefinalsperformerbe

[34-24 Footwork]

You need a dictionary, kid. While you're at it, try to learn the basics of English grammar.

It's not my first time saying Gesus, Geezus, Sheeshus and etc.

You're so mad. It's hilarious.

Anyway. Tell me more how Kobe ALWAYS HAD SINGLE COVERAGE on the 3peat :oldlol: :oldlol:

Mark Madsen got you SHOOK AF. Choose what you say wisely. That nikka gonna plaster a million gifs and you'll disappear from any kobe topic for months

[knicksman]

This

12thbe
Terriblefinalsperformerbe

Another one who disappeared after 2009 :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Stats in the 01' and 02' playoff runs prove Kobe did not put up "sidekick" numbers thats a fact so thats a nice example of your agenda driven BS the only season that you can argue that he was a clear sidekick was 00'.

Kobe did play like shit in the 04' Finals but everyone who watched both series know that LeBronze shit the bed way worse and not only that he was a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh.

Your agenda driven opinions are not "facts."

2/7 will only add to LeChoke's already tarnished legacy a colluder who quit and took shortcuts.

:yaohappy:
Rings are won in the FINALS, jackass. And in the Finals, when it matters, Kobe was clearly a sidekick. That's not speculation, it's a fact if you compare his and Shaq's stats as well as the fact that Shaq got all 3 FMVPs.
You can't do this "5/7, 2/7" bullshit when Kobe clearly wasn't the reason he's 5/7 in the Finals, Shaq is.

2004 Kobe: 23/3/4 on 38% and 18 3PT%. 23 FGA. 30% usage. 90 ORTG. 108 DRTG.
2011 Bron: 18/7/7 on 48% and 32 3PT%. 15 FGA. 22% usage. 102 ORTG. 110 DRTG.

It took Kobe 8 more shots to average 5 more points on absolute shit effeciency. That's not opinion, it's fact. They both were shit, but Kobe was far worse than Lebron. The only difference is Lebron didn't have the MDE that could've possibly won the series if Kobe hadn't shot them out of it.

Again, your entire argument is whining, deflection, and baseless bullshit. Just stop.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Well they're stans for a reason.

Take whatever they say with a grain of salt. Most of them started watching basketball post "decision" anyway. :oldlol:

Oh and LeBron was definitely worse in 2011 than Kobe in 2004. Just watch the 4th quarters of the 2011 finals. All games in that series were close and guy morphed into casper. Worst drop off from a superstar caliber player in HISTORY.

[Showtime2001]

Rings are won in the FINALS, jackass. And in the Finals, when it matters, Kobe was clearly a sidekick. That's not speculation, it's a fact if you compare his and Shaq's stats as well as the fact that Shaq got all 3 FMVPs.
You can't do this "5/7, 2/7" bullshit when Kobe clearly wasn't the reason he's 5/7 in the Finals, Shaq is.

2004 Kobe: 23/3/4 on 38% and 18 3PT%. 23 FGA. 30% usage. 90 ORTG. 108 DRTG.
2011 Bron: 18/7/7 on 48% and 32 3PT%. 15 FGA. 22% usage. 102 ORTG. 110 DRTG.

It took Kobe 8 more shots to average 5 more points on absolute shit effeciency. That's not opinion, it's fact. They both were shit, but Kobe was far worse than Lebron. The only difference is Lebron didn't have the MDE that could've possibly won the series if Kobe hadn't shot them out of it.

Again, your entire argument is whining, deflection, and baseless bullshit. Just stop.
You still have yet to show us how Kobe was a "sidekick" you retard just because Kobe didnt average 30+ ppg in the Finals doesnt mean he was a sidekick.

By all means continue melting down and continue blabbering the same BS agenda driven garbage labeling them as "facts" and you have nothing to back it up with.

In the entire playoff runs in 01' and 02' Kobe & Shaq were both nearly equals I wouldn't expect a retard like you to know that its not like you actually watched the games you just look at boxscores.

Clearly your idol LeChoke cost his team the title in 2011 just look at his embarrasing 4th quarter performances and was a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh and failed at that too.

Oh and by the way Kobe was on the 3 peat Lakers so yes his "5/7" counts hes one of the main reason they won 3 straight titles you retard.

:yaohappy: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

And in the Finals, when it matters.

how old are you, buddy?

rings aren't lost in any particular round other than the toughest competition a team faced.

Do you need a history lesson, son?

[Bankaii]

You still have yet to show us how Kobe was a "sidekick" you retard just because Kobe didnt average 30+ ppg in the Finals doesnt mean he was a sidekick.

By all means continue melting down and continue blabbering the same BS agenda driven garbage labeling them as "facts" and you have nothing to back it up with.

In the entire playoff runs in 01' and 02' Kobe & Shaq were both nearly equals I wouldn't expect a retard like you to know that its not like you actually watched the games you just look at boxscores.

Clearly your idol LeChoke cost his team the title in 2011 just look at his embarrasing 4th quarter performances and was a clear sidekick to Wade and Bosh and failed at that too.

Oh and by the way Kobe was on the 3 peat Lakers so yes his "5/7" counts hes one of the main reason they won 3 straight titles you retard.

:yaohappy: :roll: :roll:
Either you're retarded or have a reading disability.
2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

That isn't even including Kobe's shit 2004. Shaq averaged 10 more PPG, 9 more rebounds, and only 1 less assist as a center, and 16% higher FG%.
Kobe was a sidekick. I don't know how else to put it to you, so I'll get Kobe to say it himself.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html
Your own idol said he was a sidekick. But let me guess your opinion>his right:oldlol:

Horry was on the Lakers too so I guess all his rings>everyone else's, right?

Again, just hold the L. I've absolutely raped you throughout this thread with nothing but facts. And for the 4th time, you've deflected, whined, and thrown around insults because you have no legit rebuttal.

[Bankaii]

how old are you, buddy?

rings aren't lost in any particular round other than the toughest competition a team faced.

Do you need a history lesson, son?
In other words, "Kobe's a shit Finals performer so I'll push the 'WCF are the real Finals' agenda".

I don't need a lesson, I know all about the Kobetard double standard:oldlol:

[tpols]

In other words, "Kobe's a shit Finals performer so I'll push the 'WCF are the real Finals' agenda".

I don't need a lesson, I know all about the Kobetard double standard:oldlol:

you need a lesson.


pm me.

[Bankaii]

you need a lesson.


pm me.
Fudge you, nig.

[LilEddyCurry]

If you are the best player in your team it counts. If you score slightly less than the top scorer but have more assists, rebounds and more impact on defense you are still the best player.

[LilEddyCurry]

Either you're retarded or have a reading disability.
2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

That isn't even including Kobe's shit 2004. Shaq averaged 10 more PPG, 9 more rebounds, and only 1 less assist as a center, and 16% higher FG%.
Kobe was a sidekick. I don't know how else to put it to you, so I'll get Kobe to say it himself.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html
Your own idol said he was a sidekick. But let me guess your opinion>his right:oldlol:

Horry was on the Lakers too so I guess all his rings>everyone else's, right?

Again, just hold the L. I've absolutely raped you throughout this thread with nothing but facts. And for the 4th time, you've deflected, whined, and thrown around insults because you have no legit rebuttal.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4551128/kevin-garnett-reaction-o-s.gif

[warriorfan]

Rings are won in the FINALS, jackass. And in the Finals, when it matters, Kobe was clearly a sidekick. That's not speculation, it's a fact if you compare his and Shaq's stats as well as the fact that Shaq got all 3 FMVPs.
You can't do this "5/7, 2/7" bullshit when Kobe clearly wasn't the reason he's 5/7 in the Finals, Shaq is.

2004 Kobe: 23/3/4 on 38% and 18 3PT%. 23 FGA. 30% usage. 90 ORTG. 108 DRTG.
2011 Bron: 18/7/7 on 48% and 32 3PT%. 15 FGA. 22% usage. 102 ORTG. 110 DRTG.

It took Kobe 8 more shots to average 5 more points on absolute shit effeciency. That's not opinion, it's fact. They both were shit, but Kobe was far worse than Lebron. The only difference is Lebron didn't have the MDE that could've possibly won the series if Kobe hadn't shot them out of it.

Again, your entire argument is whining, deflection, and baseless bullshit. Just stop.

more ortg stat nerd shit :roll: when are you going to drop more of your derek fisher > kobe bryant analysis :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCwKtBUVEAE2Yxq.jpg

"You'd rather look good and lose than look bad and win."

Coincidentally, the only way Snipes took out Woody was by colluding.

[NBAGOAT]

Well they're stans for a reason.

Take whatever they say with a grain of salt. Most of them started watching basketball post "decision" anyway. :oldlol:

Oh and LeBron was definitely worse in 2011 than Kobe in 2004. Just watch the 4th quarters of the 2011 finals. All games in that series were close and guy morphed into casper. Worst drop off from a superstar caliber player in HISTORY.

I wouldn't call it way worse. It's two different types of bad, either not showing up in 4th qtrs of close games or shooting your team out of games by the time the 4th qtr begins. I still give an edge to Kobe since he had a great game that series but it's close.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I wouldn't call it way worse. It's two different types of bad, either not showing up in 4th qtrs of close games or shooting your team out of games by the time the 4th qtr begins. I still give an edge to Kobe since he had a great game that series but it's close.

Absolutely, but I also never called it "way worse".

Me posting definitely was another way of saying its clear. The fact 2011 was a close series throughout while LeBron's play took a nosedive like NO OTHER superstar ever...makes it pretty obvious, IMO.

[NBAGOAT]

I should've just said definitely then oops. Obviously, I disagree.

[Showtime2001]

Either you're retarded or have a reading disability.
2000-2002 Lakers Finals-
Shaq: 36/15/4/.6/3 on 59%
Kobe: 22/6/5/1/1 on 43%

That isn't even including Kobe's shit 2004. Shaq averaged 10 more PPG, 9 more rebounds, and only 1 less assist as a center, and 16% higher FG%.
Kobe was a sidekick. I don't know how else to put it to you, so I'll get Kobe to say it himself.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html
Your own idol said he was a sidekick. But let me guess your opinion>his right:oldlol:

Horry was on the Lakers too so I guess all his rings>everyone else's, right?

Again, just hold the L. I've absolutely raped you throughout this thread with nothing but facts. And for the 4th time, you've deflected, whined, and thrown around insults because you have no legit rebuttal.
Still waiting for you to show me Kobe's "sidekick" numbers in the 01' and 02' playoff runs oh thats right you won't it doesn't fit your agenda fakkit. :oldlol:

Kobe is a top 10 all time player where as Horry was a role player his entire career.

You take Kobe off the Lakers there is no 3 peat from 00-02 and no back to back titles in 09' and 10' in all 5 of his championships he was one of the main reasons they won thats why 5/7 counts.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2mq3v5i.jpg
"sidekick sidekick sidekick doe!"

[Bankaii]

Still waiting for you to show me Kobe's "sidekick" numbers in the 01' and 02' playoff runs oh thats right you won't it doesn't fit your agenda fakkit. :oldlol:

Kobe is a top 10 all time player where as Horry was a role player his entire career.

You take Kobe off the Lakers there is no 3 peat from 00-02 and no back to back titles in 09' and 10' in all 5 of his championships he was one of the main reasons they won thats why 5/7 counts.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2mq3v5i.jpg
"sidekick sidekick sidekick doe!"
FFS dude learn how to fkn read and stop deflecting.
When you say 5/7, you are speaking on Kobe winning 5 FINALS out of 7.
Look at his FINALS stats, where the actual ring in won. In the FINALS he was clearly the sidekick, as the stats I posted suggest.

Either respond to the original topic, the FINALS, or just take your L and stop responding.
I put that as clear as possible, if you deflect again this time in done.

And just to shit on you more:
2000 Kobe: 16/5/4/1/1 on 38 eFG%.
1995 Horry: 18/10/4/3/2 on 54 eFG%.

Who was the role player again?

[sammichoffate]

you need a lesson.


pm me.:oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

how else do you measure who the first option is?
You are an idiot :facepalm

[Showtime2001]

FFS dude learn how to fkn read and stop deflecting.
When you say 5/7, you are speaking on Kobe winning 5 FINALS out of 7.
Look at his FINALS stats, where the actual ring in won. In the FINALS he was clearly the sidekick, as the stats I posted suggest.

Either respond to the original topic, the FINALS, or just take your L and stop responding.
I put that as clear as possible, if you deflect again this time in done.

And just to shit on you more:
2000 Kobe: 16/5/4/1/1 on 38 eFG%.
1995 Horry: 18/10/4/3/2 on 54 eFG%.

Who was the role player again?
Still deflecting still melting down can't post Kobe's "sidekick" numbers in his 01' and 02' playoff runs.

Hold this L kid.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You are an idiot :facepalm


Yeah I'm the idiot but everybody saying that in response to this, has yet to even attempt to answer the question yet

be careful before you answer that

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Chokefree]

FFS dude learn how to fkn read and stop deflecting.
When you say 5/7, you are speaking on Kobe winning 5 FINALS out of 7.
Look at his FINALS stats, where the actual ring in won. In the FINALS he was clearly the sidekick, as the stats I posted suggest.

Either respond to the original topic, the FINALS, or just take your L and stop responding.
I put that as clear as possible, if you deflect again this time in done.

And just to shit on you more:
2000 Kobe: 16/5/4/1/1 on 38 eFG%.
1995 Horry: 18/10/4/3/2 on 54 eFG%.

Who was the role player again?

Kid...you got owned....now dont forget to take out the trash before your mom gets mad

[Bankaii]

Still deflecting still melting down can't post Kobe's "sidekick" numbers in his 01' and 02' playoff runs.

Hold this L kid.
You're deflecting again, and didn't answer a single question:applause:
And please learn the definition of deflecting, you keep using it when you're the only one doing it.
And you can't give put an L when you got destroyed the entire argument.
But this is over, have a good day bud.

[Bankaii]

Kid...you got owned....now dont forget to take out the trash before your mom gets mad
You get bullied by Dubeta, you're definitely nowhere near intelligent enough for me to waste time on you, midget.

[Lebronxrings]

You get bullied by Dubeta, you're definitely nowhere near intelligent enough for me to waste time on you, midget.
Chokefree/20four gets bullied everywhere he goes on this forum. Guess hes used to it considering he flips patties for a living. :(

[34-24 Footwork]

No one is answering the question. Do the playoffs count, or do the finals count? Which is more important?

Furthermore, is this a conversation even worth having? Or are we only having the conversation because we're talking about kobe bryant.....the most polarizing NBA basketball player in the history of North America?

Was the finals the MOST CHALLENGING/MOST CRITICAL series in that three peat?

Did lakers struggle more against the Pacers, Nets, Sixers? Or against the Blazers, Spurs or Kings?

[34-24 Footwork]

If I hated Kobe, I'd be like most of the trolls on this site too...

Spending countless hours trying to convince others that Pacers/Sixers/Nets>>>>>>Spurs/Kings/Blazers circa 2000-2003

:lol :lol

[Showtime2001]

You're deflecting again, and didn't answer a single question:applause:
And please learn the definition of deflecting, you keep using it when you're the only one doing it.
And you can't give put an L when you got destroyed the entire argument.
But this is over, have a good day bud.
You've been destroyed you backed up none of your agenda driven garbage.

Just deflect deflect deflect.

You constantly claim that Kobe was a "sidekick" from 00-02 and only brought up his finals series in 00' and never posted his "sidekick" numbers from the 01' and 02' playoff runs because it didn't fit your agenda.

Was fun seeing you get destroyed yet again.

:cheers:

[Showtime2001]

No one is answering the question. Do the playoffs count, or do the finals count? Which is more important?

Furthermore, is this a conversation even worth having? Or are we only having the conversation because we're talking about kobe bryant.....the most polarizing NBA basketball player in the history of North America?

Was the finals the MOST CHALLENGING/MOST CRITICAL series in that three peat?

Did lakers struggle more against the Pacers, Nets, Sixers? Or against the Blazers, Spurs or Kings?
Apparently according to Brantard logic you don't play other teams before you get to the finals its just the finals and thats it. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

You've been destroyed you backed up none of your agenda driven garbage.

Just deflect deflect deflect.

You constantly claim that Kobe was a "sidekick" from 00-02 and only brought up his finals series in 00' and never posted his "sidekick" numbers from the 01' and 02' playoff runs because it didn't fit your agenda.

Was fun seeing you get destroyed yet again.

:cheers:
Video: Kobe Bryant Admits Being Shaq's Sidekick During Lakers Championships

Feb. 2013

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

"After the game, Bryant was facing the media after an uncharacteristically poor performance where he scored only four points and had eight turnovers.

Still, he was in good spirits because the team was able to pull off a victory.

When the topic of Shaquille O’Neal came up, Bryant smiled and welcomed the questions.

When asked point blank if he was Shaq’s sidekick during the duo’s time together,Kobe responded, “Yea, for sure.”


“The challenge for me was to show [Shaq] and show everybody else that I could win without him,” Bryant continued. “Point proven.”

“I took it as an honor and as a challenge to be a player that could play the supporting role. Then, move from that, take the leading role, win that way as well. I took a lot of pride in that.”

[Bankaii]

more proof
I already posted that exact same interview lol.
As per usual he's going to ignore it becuase it doesn't fit his agenda and ironically/hypocritically say you're deflecting.

Only Kobetards disregard the Finals becuase Kobe was shit in all but 1 maybe 2, but then proceed to bash Lebron for his finals record.:oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Bron stans getting destroyed once again. How can they possibly ever be on the side of a winning argument when the guy they are arguing for is 2/6? :lol

[Hey Yo]

I already posted that exact same interview lol.
As per usual he's going to ignore it becuase it doesn't fit his agenda and ironically/hypocritically say you're deflecting.

Only Kobetards disregard the Finals becuase Kobe was shit in all but 1 maybe 2, but then proceed to bash Lebron for his finals record.:oldlol:
They're the only ones who I've ever seen say..."the WCF was the real Finals"

:facepalm

[Bankaii]

They're the only ones who I've ever seen say..."the WCF was the real Finals"

:facepalm
It's hilarious. They're walking double standards.
The East is so weak. Yet Kobe has shit the bed against them all but 2-3 times.

[34-24 Footwork]

The western conference playoffs

Players need to expend the MOST ENERGY to make it out and play their best.

The finals -

Western conference teams don't need to expend NEARLY AS much effort to win.

Eastern conference teams need EVERYTHING TO GO AS PLANNED to have a chance to not get swept.

[34-24 Footwork]

That's just the way it is...

Don't shoot the messenger

[Straight_Ballin]

It's hilarious. They're walking double standards.
The East is so weak. Yet Kobe has shit the bed against them all but 2-3 times.

What hilarious is your logic. Kobe was worn out by the time he met his eastern opponent in the finals due to the harder western playoffs. No one is shocked that he lost to the weaker east in the finals twice. Despite all this, he still managed to win 5 times. Meanwhile Lebron who's always had an easier road to the finals, couldn't even win more than twice despite being less depleted than the opposition. That is just piss poor any way you look at it.

Kobe's worst (2 losses) is Lebron's best (2 wins). :lol

[Bankaii]

I couldn't care less for 2 shit opinions from 2 shit posters.
The FACT of the matter is that Kobe is a horrible Finals performer compared to other GOATs, and he's 5/7 despite his horrible Finals performances due to Shaq carrying him in the Finals.

[tpols]

It's hilarious. They're walking double standards.
The East is so weak. Yet Kobe has shit the bed against them all but 2-3 times.

Bankaii, I tried to pm you the lesson for today.. dont know if you recieved.


But it included info on the fact that east being weak for bran is relevant because he plays 3 rounds of low competition, while Kobe only faced the best of the best from the east.

I will try to resend.

[Bankaii]

Bankaii, I tried to pm you the lesson for today.. dont know if you recieved.


But it included info on the fact that east being weak for bran is relevant because he plays 3 rounds of low competition, while Kobe only faced the best of the best from the east.

I will try to resend.
I didn't get it, fam, sorry.

But if I had received such an intelligent PM, I probably would have responded with the stats showing that Lebron performs better than Kobe against both the West and East in both the RS and PO.
I probably also would've also added info that supports the fact that the East has been better than the West defensively, so Lebron actually has to work harder and still scores more points on better effeciency than Kobe.

Thanks for the lesson though.

[Lebron23]

Bankaii is owning this thread. Just ignore them Bankaii, and stop replying to their useless posts.

[34-24 Footwork]

Bankaii, I tried to pm you the lesson for today.. dont know if you recieved.


But it included info on the fact that east being weak for bran is relevant because he plays 3 rounds of low competition, while Kobe only faced the best of the best from the east.

I will try to resend.

He didn't learn anything. Just resend it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

more bran stan logic anomalies


Kyrie currently leads the entire eastern conference in PER (lebron stans go to stat) and leads the team in scoring. So according to Lebron stans, Lebron is getting carried.

Also,

Bran stans consider the 09 Lakers to be stacked. Their second leading scorer put up 18ppg, the third leading scorer put up 12ppg.

Currently, Lebron has teammates putting up 25ppg, 17ppg and 14ppg. So not only is lebron getting carried, he's playing on a STACKED TEAM, a stacked team that makes Kobe's 09 supporting cast look extremely not stacked in comparison.

wow. Bran stans. This is getting rough :biggums: :biggums:

[knicksman]

I didn't get it, fam, sorry.

But if I had received such an intelligent PM, I probably would have responded with the stats showing that Lebron performs better than Kobe against both the West and East in both the RS and PO.
I probably also would've also added info that supports the fact that the East has been better than the West defensively, so Lebron actually has to work harder and still scores more points on better effeciency than Kobe.

Thanks for the lesson though.


Then why is lebron 2/6 if he performs better against the west in the playoffs?

[Hey Yo]

more bran stan logic anomalies


Kyrie currently leads the entire eastern conference in PER (lebron stans go to stat) and leads the team in scoring. So according to Lebron stans, Lebron is getting carried.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xyXxN1SUzHFDi/200_s.gif


Kyrie - 26.68 PER and 24.9ppg
LeBron - 26.18 PER and 23.9ppg






Bran stans consider the 09 Lakers to be stacked. Their second leading scorer put up 18ppg, the third leading scorer put up 12ppg.

Currently, Lebron has teammates putting up 25ppg, 17ppg and 14ppg. So not only is lebron getting carried, he's playing on a STACKED TEAM, a stacked team that makes Kobe's 09 supporting cast look extremely not stacked in comparison.
Nobody but Kobe fans combine the entire postseason.

Like I said before, you have the first 3 rounds (which no individual awards are givin') and then you have the Finals.

Nobody is saying Kobe deserves ZERO credit in the first 3 rounds, but you can't point to what he did in the first 3 rounds and think that makes up for his piss poor play and lack of FMVP's when playing with Shaq.


btw...in the 09 Finals (the most important series of the postseason, where an individual award is handed out) behind Kobe in PPG were double digit scorers of 18, 13, 11, 11.

[Lebron23]

Kobetards are going to jump off the San Francisco Bridge when LeBron wins his 3rd NBA Finals MVP.

:oldlol: :lol :oldlol:

[Chokefree]

#FreeGusandDrayNKlay
Your alt accounts? lol

[Lebron23]

Lebron will average more points than irving after tomorrow's game.

[Lebronxrings]

Kobetards are going to jump off the San Francisco Bridge when LeBron wins his 3rd NBA Finals MVP.

:oldlol: :lol :oldlol:
:lol :lol

[LakersForlife]

kyrie is absolute joy to watch this playoffs i hope he carries this team until finals..its disgusting to see lebrons crab dribble and travels and straight line drives.. no entertainment

[Bankaii]

Bankaii is owning this thread. Just ignore them Bankaii, and stop replying to their useless posts.
Nah it's all god man, I'm just having a little fun destroying Kobetards.


https://media3.giphy.com/media/xyXxN1SUzHFDi/200_s.gif


Kyrie - 26.68 PER and 24.9ppg
LeBron - 26.18 PER and 23.9ppg






Nobody but Kobe fans combine the entire postseason.

Like I said before, you have the first 3 rounds (which no individual awards are givin') and then you have the Finals.

Nobody is saying Kobe deserves ZERO credit in the first 3 rounds, but you can't point to what he did in the first 3 rounds and think that makes up for his piss poor play and lack of FMVP's when playing with Shaq.


btw...in the 09 Finals (the most important series of the postseason, where an individual award is handed out) behind Kobe in PPG were double digit scorers of 18, 13, 11, 11.
Great post.
Dude is comparing 1.75 rounds of the playoffs where Lebron is averaging 1 less point to Kobe averaging 10 less points than Shaq over 3 separate Finals series:roll:

I told you, walking double standards.

[Showtime2001]

Nah it's all god man, I'm just having a little fun destroying Kobetards.
You've been destroyed this entire thread backed up none of your so called "facts" I wouldn't expect less from Brantards like you.

[warriorfan]

FFS dude learn how to fkn read and stop deflecting.
When you say 5/7, you are speaking on Kobe winning 5 FINALS out of 7.
Look at his FINALS stats, where the actual ring in won. In the FINALS he was clearly the sidekick, as the stats I posted suggest.

Either respond to the original topic, the FINALS, or just take your L and stop responding.
I put that as clear as possible, if you deflect again this time in done.

And just to shit on you more:
2000 Kobe: 16/5/4/1/1 on 38 eFG%.
1995 Horry: 18/10/4/3/2 on 54 eFG%.

Who was the role player again?

eFG? :roll: whats next more of your stat nerd ortg shit where u say derek fisher > kobe ? :roll: :roll:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2mq3v5i.jpg

deal with it

[raprap]

Kobetards should retire just like Kobe. It's not even an argument anymore on who's better.

[TheMarkMadsen]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xyXxN1SUzHFDi/200_s.gif


Kyrie - 26.68 PER and 24.9ppg
LeBron - 26.18 PER and 23.9ppg






Nobody but Kobe fans combine the entire postseason.

Like I said before, you have the first 3 rounds (which no individual awards are givin') and then you have the Finals.

Nobody is saying Kobe deserves ZERO credit in the first 3 rounds, but you can't point to what he did in the first 3 rounds and think that makes up for his piss poor play and lack of FMVP's when playing with Shaq.


btw...in the 09 Finals (the most important series of the postseason, where an individual award is handed out) behind Kobe in PPG were double digit scorers of 18, 13, 11, 11.


oh stfu :oldlol:

25/8/6 and 27/6/5 is not piss poor play you jabroni.



btw...in the 09 Finals (the most important series of the postseason, where an individual award is handed out) behind Kobe in PPG were double digit scorers of 18, 13, 11, 11.

your point? Lebron currently has a 24ppg scorer, a 17ppg scorer and a 14 ppg scorer beside him for the entire playoffs :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

You've been destroyed this entire thread backed up none of your so called "facts" I wouldn't expect less from Brantards like you.
If by destroyed you mean me constantly shitting on you while you continue to not defend any of your claims then sure.
And why is facts in quotes lol? All I've posted is stats, you can't make those up.
Just give up, I already destroyed you, I'm done belittling you now.


eFG? :roll: whats next more of your stat nerd ortg shit where u say derek fisher > kobe ? :roll: :roll:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2mq3v5i.jpg

deal with it
Fine, I'll show you some attention since you beg for it on all of my posts.
You do know this makes you look like a moron right?
eFG% is just FG% and 3Pt%, it's basic af and every educated basketball fan knows what it is, but you're a casual Curry fanboy so I wouldn't expect you to know.

In response to your cherry-picked, generic pic, I've already destroyed that argument, think of a new one.

[Showtime2001]

If by destroyed you mean me constantly shitting on you while you continue to not defend any of your claims then sure.
And why is facts in quotes lol? All I've posted is stats, you can't make those up.
Just give up, I already destroyed you, I'm done belittling you now.

You keep coming back for more and you keep melting down.

Where are Kobe's 01' and 02' playoff run "sidekick" stats you clown?

:roll: :roll:

[Bankaii]

You keep coming back for more and you keep melting down.

Where are Kobe's 01' and 02' playoff run "sidekick" stats you clown?

:roll: :roll:
Here you go again changing the goal posts.
You have a mental deficiency, I'll say it one more time and after that I'm don't trying because you're seriously retarded.

You can just exclude the Finals and only use the 1st 3 rounds to fit your agenda. I acknowledge how good Kobe was in the playoffs.
But when you Kobetards say "5/7", you are referring to his record in the FINALS. In the FINALS, where Kobe won his "5 rangz", he was clearly a sidekick as shown by the stats I posted.

Quit deflecting, and address his poor Finals play where he was clearly a sidekick.

And are you forgetting that KOBE BRYANT HIMSELF SAID THAT HE WAS SHAQ'S SIDEKICK

[Showtime2001]

Here you go again changing the goal posts.
You have a mental deficiency, I'll say it one more time and after that I'm don't trying because you're seriously retarded.

You can just exclude the Finals and only use the 1st 3 rounds to fit your agenda. I acknowledge how good Kobe was in the playoffs.
But when you Kobetards say "5/7", you are referring to his record in the FINALS. In the FINALS, where Kobe won his "5 rangz", he was clearly a sidekick as shown by the stats I posted.

Quit deflecting, and address his poor Finals play where he was clearly a sidekick.

And are you forgetting that KOBE BRYANT HIMSELF SAID THAT HE WAS SHAQ'S SIDEKICK
WHAT

A

MELTDOWN!

Continue deflecting kid.

:yaohappy:

[Bankaii]

WHAT

A

MELTDOWN!

Continue deflecting kid.

:yaohappy:
>bitches about deflection
>I address and destroy your argument
>calls it a meltdown
>bitches about delflection
>rinse and repeat

In done trying to have an intelligent debate with Kobetards, even worse alts of Kobetards, such as yourself.

I enjoyed handing you multiple Ls bud. Keep it up and I'll let you be my sidekick just like your idol.

[TheMarkMadsen]

oh look

27/13 from the 3rd option, 21/8 from Kyrie

and Lebron stans try to claim this team isn't stacked as ****

The third option on this team averages more ppg than Pau did in the 09 playoffs, can you imagine how many "carried" and "stacked" post we would see if this was Kobe

:roll: :roll:

[Bankaii]

oh look

27/13 from the 3rd option, 21/8 from Kyrie

and Lebron stans try to claim this team isn't stacked as ****

The third option on this team averages more ppg than Pau did in the 09 playoffs, can you imagine how many "carried" and "stacked" post we would see if this was Kobe

:roll: :roll:
2008 Pau: 18 PPG on 12 FGA and 58%.
2010 Pau: 18 PPG on 12 FGA and 54%.
2016 Love: 18 PPG on 16 FGA and 36%.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Showtime2001]

>bitches about deflection
>I address and destroy your argument
>calls it a meltdown
>bitches about delflection
>rinse and repeat

In done trying to have an intelligent debate with Kobetards, even worse alts of Kobetards, such as yourself.

I enjoyed handing you multiple Ls bud. Keep it up and I'll let you be my sidekick just like your idol.
Refuses to post 01' and 02 playoff run "sidekick" numbers.

Deflects and melts down.

Brantard confirmed you lost hold this L.

[NBASTATMAN]

oh look

27/13 from the 3rd option, 21/8 from Kyrie

and Lebron stans try to claim this team isn't stacked as ****

The third option on this team averages more ppg than Pau did in the 09 playoffs, can you imagine how many "carried" and "stacked" post we would see if this was Kobe

:roll: :roll:


The Cavs are stacked but not like the Warriors... The Warriors are playing better competition in the playoffs and still winning without The Best player in the game... The Cavs would not be playing so well without LEBRON... That is a FACT...

BTW Love is shooting horrible from the floor.. He is playing tough and that is making a difference... Love is no where near Pau offensively and def not defensively...


RECORD WITHOUT LEBRON THE LAST TWO SEASONS IS PITIFUL...


Either way that Laker team didnt have to play vs this SPUR team or This Warrior Team... These teams are head and shoulders above anyone the Lakers faced...



At the end of the day this CAVS teams defense is not that good so if they play a HEALTHY Warriors TEAM THEY WONT WIN.. This Warriors team has 3 players that are TOP 10 PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE..

[knicksman]

Why 5/7? Coz colluding with wade and bosh is worse than having shaq. So if brans gets credited for the 2 rings and so is kobe. Besides it was kobe who saved shaqs ass in game 7 against por. Kobe was the 1st option too in crunch time against teams that matters aka western teams. And that tells me that he should be the one credited.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2008 Pau: 18 PPG on 12 FGA and 58%.
2010 Pau: 18 PPG on 12 FGA and 54%.
2016 Love: 18 PPG on 16 FGA and 36%.

Stop embarrassing yourself.


stop embarrassing myself? You just compared the third option on the Cavs to the 2nd option on the Lakers, dumbass. at that point you've already lost the argument :oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe had Pau giving him 18/12.. Lebron has love giving him 18/12 AND Kyrie giving him 24/5

Lebron fans are so dumb they don't even realize when they are ethering themselves

[TheMarkMadsen]

The Cavs are stacked but not like the Warriors... The Warriors are playing better competition in the playoffs and still winning without The Best player in the game... The Cavs would not be playing so well without LEBRON... That is a FACT...

BTW Love is shooting horrible from the floor.. He is playing tough and that is making a difference... Love is no where near Pau offensively and def not defensively...


RECORD WITHOUT LEBRON THE LAST TWO SEASONS IS PITIFUL...


Either way that Laker team didnt have to play vs this SPUR team or This Warrior Team... These teams are head and shoulders above anyone the Lakers faced...



At the end of the day this CAVS teams defense is not that good so if they play a HEALTHY Warriors TEAM THEY WONT WIN.. This Warriors team has 3 players that are TOP 10 PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE..


this isn't about the Warriors, this is about the insane hypocrisy these Lebron fans spew all the time on ISH.

Kobe's 2nd option averaged 18ppg and they wanna act like that team was stacked. Lebron has two players averaged more than 18ppg (Love is after today) and they wanna act like the team isn't stacked

I think their double standards are hilarious. They used to be all about that PER until Curry/AD came along, not to mention that Kyrie leads the team in PER.

They used to be all about that efficiency until Lebron shot 41% for the entire playoffs and jacked up 33 shots to average 36 points in the finals

they change their criteria for what is "great" all of the time, and it is honestly funny as hell

I'm just asking them to pick a criteria and stick with that, instead of changing it up whenever it suits their agenda.

[ShawkFactory]

this isn't about the Warriors, this is about the insane hypocrisy these Lebron fans spew all the time on ISH.

Kobe's 2nd option averaged 18ppg and they wanna act like that team was stacked. Lebron has two players averaged more than 18ppg (Love is after today) and they wanna act like the team isn't stacked

I think their double standards are hilarious. They used to be all about that PER until Curry/AD came along, not to mention that Kyrie leads the team in PER.

They used to be all about that efficiency until Lebron shot 41% for the entire playoffs and jacked up 33 shots to average 36 points in the finals

they change their criteria for what is "great" all of the time, and it is honestly funny as hell

I'm just asking them to pick a criteria and stick with that, instead of changing it up whenever it suits their agenda.
Not saying anything you're arguing is wrong but you are literally the definition of shook. And this thread is the definition of a meltdown.

You're arguing, and are shook by, blatant trolls. Just do yourself a solid and let it go.

[Straight_Ballin]

stop embarrassing myself? You just compared the third option on the Cavs to the 2nd option on the Lakers, dumbass. at that point you've already lost the argument :oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe had Pau giving him 18/12.. Lebron has love giving him 18/12 AND Kyrie giving him 24/5

Lebron fans are so dumb they don't even realize when they are ethering themselves

What else should they do when their boy is only 2/6, on the most stacked team in 2016, and he will still be 2/7.

What is the excuse going to be?

"oh, well the spurs or GSW were a better team"

It's the only out they have.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Not saying anything you're arguing is wrong but you are literally the definition of shook. And this thread is the definition of a meltdown.

You're arguing, and are shook by, blatant trolls. Just do yourself a solid and let it go.

the only people shook are the ones who haven't even attempted to argue any point made in this thread, and instead have resorted talking about Kobe's 00-02 run with Shaq for the 1,000 time

every lebron fan on this sight uses this logic, i'd love to see them explain this, but of course they won't and they can't

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[ShawkFactory]

the only people shook are the ones who haven't even attempted to argue any point made in this thread, and instead have resorted talking about Kobe's 00-02 run with Shaq for the 1,000 time

every lebron fan on this sight uses this logic, i'd love to see them explain this, but of course they won't and they can't

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
You're right.

Not the point I was making though.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're right.

Not the point I was making though.

somebody has to point this out to bring some balance here. Unless, you just think its cool for these trolls to run around not even trying to discuss basketball..

If Jeff isn't going to keep them honest, then other posters should try..

[ShawkFactory]

somebody has to point this out to bring some balance here. Unless, you just think its cool for these trolls to run around not even trying to discuss basketball..

If Jeff isn't going to keep them honest, then other posters should try..
They're not going to use logic either way. This thread doesn't seem to be doing anything but stressing you out.

Dubeta and all those alts..use the ignore function on them. I have. They're pointless.

[Bankaii]

stop embarrassing myself? You just compared the third option on the Cavs to the 2nd option on the Lakers, dumbass. at that point you've already lost the argument :oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe had Pau giving him 18/12.. Lebron has love giving him 18/12 AND Kyrie giving him 24/5

Lebron fans are so dumb they don't even realize when they are ethering themselves
This is why I compared him to Love:

The third option on this team averages more ppg than Pau did in the 09 playoffs

And leave it to a Kobetard to leave all context, such as defense, FGA, and FG%.
In 09 playoffs Pau put up 18/11/3 on 58%, 12 FGA and great defense.
Kyrie is currently putting up 25/5/2 on 47%, 19 FGA, and is a complete liability on defense.
Kyrie is putting up 7 more points on 7 more shots and worse efficiency, that's not good.

Odom put up 12/9/2 on 52%, 9 FGA, and was one of the most versatile defenders in the league.
Love is putting up 18/12/2 on 36%, 16 FGA, and is so bad on defense he has to be taken out in crunch time.
Love averaged 6 more points on 7 more shots, again, that isn't good.

The problem with Kobetards is that all they see is scoring. Ignore the FGA and horrible shooting. But when presented with the fact that Lebron averages more PPG on better effeciency in all facets of the NBA, all of a sudden it doesn't matter.

Again, stop embarrassing yourself.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So according to Bankaii

18ppg on 62% TS is better than 24ppg on 60% TS

:roll: :roll:

[Bankaii]

So according to Bankaii

18ppg on 62% TS is better than 24ppg on 60% TS

:roll: :roll:
Yea your reading comprehension is about as good as my cat's.

I have to stop trying to educate Kobetards:facepalm

[Lebronxrings]

Bankaii has owned this thread.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yea your reading comprehension is about as good as my cat's.

I have to stop trying to educate Kobetards:facepalm


you're trying to argue that 18ppg on 62% TS is somehow better or even as good as 24ppg on 60% TS.


you and that boy Lebron23 fighting it out for most delusional lebron stan on ish :lol

why don't you get back to the other thread and work on your argument for Pau being as good at creating his own shot as Kobe Bryant :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

They're not going to use logic either way. This thread doesn't seem to be doing anything but stressing you out.

Dubeta and all those alts..use the ignore function on them. I have. They're pointless.


its not stressful to point out these huge gaps of logic.

thing is thought is that these are the type of posters who make up 90% of the forum.

[Bankaii]

you're trying to argue that 18ppg on 62% TS is somehow better or even as good as 24ppg on 60% TS.


you and that boy Lebron23 fighting it out for most delusional lebron stan on ish :lol

why don't you get back to the other thread and work on your argument for Pau being as good at creating his own shot as Kobe Bryant :roll:
You're retarded and it's showing because you're only looking at scoring, Kobetard.

24 on 60% TS, 6-7 less FGA and great defense is better than 24 on 60% TS on far more FGA and ball dominance, as well as horrible defense.

Why can't you ever look at more that scoring and add context to the argument?

It's funny when criticizing Lebron you complain that his ball dominance is the reason he has such great stats. But in this situation you completely ignore Kyrie being ball dominant because it boosts your agenda.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're retarded and it's showing because you're only looking at scoring, Kobetard.

24 on 60% TS, 6-7 less FGA and great defense is better than 24 on 60% TS on far more FGA and ball dominance, as well as horrible defense.



this would be a good argument if Pau averaged 24 on 60% TS and played great defense

:confusedshrug: :lol

and as far as Kyrie dominating the ball goes, his usage is slightly higher than Lebron's and the team is playing at their best, so it seems to be working.

[Bankaii]

this would be a good argument if Pau averaged 24 on 60% TS and played great defense

:confusedshrug: :lol

and as far as Kyrie dominating the ball goes, his usage is slightly higher than Lebron's and the team is playing at their best, so it seems to be working.
Typo meant 18. And if you're suggesting Pau wasn't a solid defender there's no point in me trying anymore.

Usage isn't indicative of who runs the runs.
Lebron is still pretty clearly the main playmaker on the Cavs.

[ShawkFactory]

its not stressful to point out these huge gaps of logic.

thing is thought is that these are the type of posters who make up 90% of the forum.
It goes both ways tho bruh

[TheMarkMadsen]

Typo meant 18. And if you're suggesting Pau wasn't a solid defender there's no point in me trying anymore.

Usage isn't indicative of who runs the runs.
Lebron is still pretty clearly the main playmaker on the Cavs.

Big difference between a solid defender and a great defender, as you just claimed Pau was a great defender.


Lebron is still pretty clearly the main playmaker on the Cavs.

and thats great and all, but you've spent multiple pages ITT trying to discredit a certain players runs when he was clearly the main playmaker on his team.. soo....

[Bankaii]

Big difference between a solid defender and a great defender, as you just claimed Pau was a great defender.
Pau was a great defender. Even now with the Bulls, he has big defensive plays.


and thats great and all, but you've spent multiple pages ITT trying to discredit a certain players runs when he was clearly the main playmaker on his team.. soo....
That depends on what you define as a playmaker. The main playmaker is who the offense runs through.
That Lakers offense was run through Shaq, Kobe was the main distributor though.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pau was a great defender. Even now with the Bulls, he has big defensive plays.


That depends on what you define as a playmaker. The main playmaker is who the offense runs through.
That Lakers offense was run through Shaq, Kobe was the main distributor though.

Phill Jakson on Kobe during the 2001 playoffs


"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That's the greatest player I ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game. Yet I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be a playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. Kobe has to set up the offense, read the defense, make others happy and he's doing a great job of it. Kobe has become the floor leader on a basketball team that was looking for that player who can not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker who can consistently make big plays at critical times. It was very important for Kobe to step into that role he was envisioned at." "It's the best that I've seen a player of mine play with an overall court game."


and no, Pau was not a great defender. Duncan was great defender, KG was a great defender, Ben Wallace was a great defender, Kawhi is a great defender, Tony Allen is a great defender

Pau was an average defensive player with good length.

[Bankaii]

Phill Jakson on Kobe during the 2001 playoffs




and no, Pau was not a great defender. Duncan was great defender, KG was a great defender, Ben Wallace was a great defender, Kawhi is a great defender, Tony Allen is a great defender

Pau was an average defensive player with good length.
That exert from Phil could be made about just about any great playmaker though. For instance, WB is the best playmaker for the Thunder, but the team runs the offense through KD because he's their first option.

Maybe you misunderstood me. When I said Lebron is the Cavs main playmaker I meant he's pretty clearly their main guy/first option/best player, not necessarily he's the guy that sets up the offense and dictates the pace (although he does).
In that sense, I'm saying that Shaq was clearly the main guy on the Lakers.

And no, those are all elite defenders. Pau was a great defender. Dude was 7th in 2009 and 2nd in the 2010 postseasons. You can't do that being an average defender. Not to mention other factors.

[Straight_Ballin]

This is why I compared him to Love:


And leave it to a Kobetard to leave all context, such as defense, FGA, and FG%.
In 09 playoffs Pau put up 18/11/3 on 58%, 12 FGA and great defense.
Kyrie is currently putting up 25/5/2 on 47%, 19 FGA, and is a complete liability on defense.
Kyrie is putting up 7 more points on 7 more shots and worse efficiency, that's not good.

Odom put up 12/9/2 on 52%, 9 FGA, and was one of the most versatile defenders in the league.
Love is putting up 18/12/2 on 36%, 16 FGA, and is so bad on defense he has to be taken out in crunch time.
Love averaged 6 more points on 7 more shots, again, that isn't good.

The problem with Kobetards is that all they see is scoring. Ignore the FGA and horrible shooting. But when presented with the fact that Lebron averages more PPG on better effeciency in all facets of the NBA, all of a sudden it doesn't matter.

Again, stop embarrassing yourself.

Your exactly right. It doesn't matter. His more PPG on better effeciency has gotten him what? 2/6? :lol

Kobe shooting efficiency results in wins. 5/7 in the finals
Lebron shooting efficiency resulted in losses 2/6 in the finals

Obviously both teams that they played on during these finals match-ups were surrounded with enough supporting talent, hence the reason why they were in the finals to begin with. Their team was good enough to get them there.

Kobe has a career ending last game of the ages, and the weak minded lebron supports cry: "but....but...but...the fg%" :roll:

Is that what supporters of a player that's 2/6 in the finals do? Cry about fg% of other players? :lol

A year from now no one will even pay any mind to that fg%. All they will see is that Kobe's last game after 20 seasons in the NBA resulted in 3 main things:

1. A win
2. 60 point game after 20 years in the NBA.
3. A man walking away from the game of basketball with 5 wins and 7 trips to the finals.

Now GTFO with your lebrontard logic and prep yourself for the reality of 2/7 like every other lebron supporter is doing.

[Showtime2001]

Your exactly right. It doesn't matter. His more PPG on better effeciency has gotten him what? 2/6? :lol

Kobe shooting efficiency results in wins. 5/7 in the finals
Lebron shooting efficiency resulted in losses 2/6 in the finals

Obviously both teams that they played on during these finals match-ups were surrounded with enough supporting talent, hence the reason why they were in the finals to begin with. Their team was good enough to get them there.

Kobe has a career ending last game of the ages, and the weak minded lebron supports cry: "but....but...but...the fg%" :roll:

Is that what supporters of a player that's 2/6 in the finals do? Cry about fg% of other players? :lol

A year from now no one will even pay any mind to that fg%. All they will see is that Kobe's last game after 20 seasons in the NBA resulted in 3 main things:

1. A win
2. 60 point game after 20 years in the NBA.
3. A man walking away from the game of basketball with 5 wins and 7 trips to the finals.

Now GTFO with your lebrontard logic and prep yourself for the reality of 2/7 like every other lebron supporter is doing.
http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg

[Bankaii]

:sleeping
Man where are the good posters that used to be on here?
The current Lebron haters aren't even amusing, just the same deflecting, baseless bullshit over and over and over...

[ImKobe]

His scoring, shooting% and overall efficiency is lower in the Playoffs 2nd year in a row.

[Showtime2001]

:sleeping
Man where are the good posters that used to be on here?
The current Lebron haters aren't even amusing, just the same deflecting, baseless bullshit over and over and over...
Which is basically what you have been doing this entire thread.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Kobe Bryant: "I was a sidekick"
Your argument ended with that. I'm not wasting time on trolls anymore.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe Bryant: "I’m no sidekick.”
http://www.lakersnation.com/kobe-bryant-on-playing-with-shaquille-oneal-im-no-sidekick/2015/02/16/

Have a nice day Brantard.