Kobe and Harden comparison at age 26

[JohnMax]

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[KingPush]

:lebronamazed:

[Dray n Klay]

If you do a year-by-year breakdown of Harden vs Kobe every year untill they turned 26, Harden has been better than Kobe every single year.


Harden was/is the better individual talent, but Kobe had Shaq.

[SouBeachTalents]

If you don't include turnovers, defense, or the playoffs, then yes, Harden is comparable to Kobe

[bdreason]

Remember that show "Numbers Never Lie"?


There's a reason it was cancelled.

[NBAGOAT]

If you do a year-by-year breakdown of Harden vs Kobe every year untill they turned 26, Harden has been better than Kobe every single year.


Harden was/is the better individual talent, but Kobe had Shaq.

Kobe at 22
28.5/6/5 48efg%

Harden at 22
17/4/4 58efg%

:sleeping

That ofc isn't even accounting for playoff performance or defense. Anyway, kind of unfair comparison since 05 is one of Kobe's weaker years(possibly had 10 better years).

[KingPush]

Kobe at 22
28.5/6/5 48efg%

Harden at 22
17/4/4 58efg%

:sleeping

That ofc isn't even accounting for playoff performance or defense. Anyway, kind of unfair comparison since 05 is one of Kobe's weaker years(possibly had 10 better years).
You realize Harden was the 6th man that year right? :biggums:

[Long Duck Dong]

Harden. Jerry Stackhouse 2.0

[TheMarkMadsen]

You realize Harden was the 6th man that year right? :biggums:


So him being a 6th man is supposed to be a good argument for him being as good as the starting shooting guard putting up 29ppg on the championship team :oldlol: :oldlol:

[KingPush]

So him being a 6th man is supposed to be a good argument for him being as good as the starting shooting guard putting up 29ppg on the championship team :oldlol: :oldlol:
Well duh, he was playing behind Westbrook and Durant.

[AlphaWolf24]

Remember that show "Numbers Never Lie"?


There's a reason it was cancelled.


http://i.imgur.com/jnIRkOZ.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well duh, he was playing behind Westbrook and Durant.

he was playing behind two guys who don't play his position?

Kobe was getting best player in the league talk at 22, winning rings while dropping 29 per game.

Harden was the sixth man on his team at the same age.

end of conversation

you'd have an argument if Harden was playing on a championship caliber team (which he was) while Kobe was playing on a lottery team, but they were both on championship contending teams, but one guy was the 6th man and the other was putting up 29/7/6 and playing on the GOAT playoff team

[navy]

Not everyone can be carried by Shaq

[Genaro]

It's not always about the numbers. Bran stans will never learn.

[Cold soul]

Numbers aren't everything they aren't end all be all.

[KingPush]

he was playing behind two guys who don't play his position?

Kobe was getting best player in the league talk at 22, winning rings while dropping 29 per game.

Harden was the sixth man on his team at the same age.

end of conversation

you'd have an argument if Harden was playing on a championship caliber team (which he was) while Kobe was playing on a lottery team, but they were both on championship contending teams, but one guy was the 6th man and the other was putting up 29/7/6 and playing on the GOAT playoff team
You have zero basketball knowledge. Why does it matter if Harden played the same position as Westbrook and Durant? they were the main scorers and dominated the ball. Harden was best served coming off the bench.

We all know he couldve been the man on any other team, which was shown the next season when he went to the Rockets.

[Uncle Drew]

Guess I'd have to put Harden at 12 on my all-time list now.

[Baller1986]

One played with the MDE, The other played with Dwight Howard.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You have zero basketball knowledge. Why does it matter if Harden played the same position as Westbrook and Durant?


:oldlol: :oldlol:

you are trying to argue that he was as good or better than 22 year old Kobe. It doesn't matter who was on the team, 22 year old Kobe starts.

22 year old Kobe was putting up playoff numbers that current Harden could never dream of while playing all nba defense..

[Dray n Klay]

One will end his career as a legendary top-tier SG, the other is Kobe Bryant.

[Uncle Drew]

22 year old Kobe was putting up playoff numbers that current Harden could never dream of
Harden averaged 27/6/8 just last year. :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Harden averaged 27/6/8 just last year. :confusedshrug:

sweet, his defense was shit and he set the all time records for most TO's in a playoff game

Kobe averaged 29/7/6, 31/7/7 on 50% through the WCF (bringing that up since that's where Harden's season ended) while playing amazing defense.

Harden was 27/6/8 on 41% with a solid 5 turnovers per game

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Uncle Drew]

sweet, how was his defense? Did he set any all time records for most TO's in a game?

Kobe averaged 29/7/6, 31/7/7 on 50% through the WCF (bringing that up since that's where Harden's season ended) while playing amazing defense.

Harden was 27/6/8 on 41% with a solid 5 turnovers per game

:confusedshrug:
Harden's starting point guard was Jason Terry, who's not even a point guard. :oldlol: Not only did he have to score, he'd have to bring the ball up too. Of course he'd average and commit a shitload of turnovers.

27/6/8 vs. 31/7/7. The difference between those numbers isn't a gazillion lightyears, like you pretend it is. James Harden is ****ing elite on the offensive end, deal with it.

[Gileraracer]

Let's just forget defense cause it fits OPs agenda

[Uncle Drew]

Of course, there's also a difference in role players (and other star, but hey, we won't go there now will we). I could imagine a worse cast than Brian Shaw, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, which makes playing the game a lot easier. Or would you rather pass the ball to 15% 3P shooter Josh Smith, Terrence Jones or Corey Brewer?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Harden's starting point guard was Jason Terry, who's not even a point guard. :oldlol: Not only did he have to score, he'd have to bring the ball up too. Of course he'd average and commit a shitload of turnovers.

27/6/8 vs. 31/7/7. The difference between those numbers isn't a gazillion lightyears, like you pretend it is. James Harden is ****ing elite on the offensive end, deal with it.


So since Harden brought the ball up we should excuse him commiting 5 turnovers per game :oldlol: Kobe was playing with Derek Fisher and Harden isn't the only SG to bring the ball up dude :oldlol:

Harden isn't "elite" on offense in the playoffs, he relies on FT's too much and his FG% drops every single year in the playoffs from his regular season numbers.

Watching Harden in the playoffs for the last 3 years and nothing screams "elite offensive player" to me..

Harden is great on offense, not elite, especially not in the playoffs.

And his defense is absolute dog shit, DOG SHIT while Kobe was one of if not the best perimeter defender in the league at the time.

[Magic 32]

How about 2005-06. :no:

You take Kobe's worst year during his prime (playing only 66 games) and compare to the best stat-accumulating SG in the NBA.

You might as well say that Harden had a better year because he made the playoffs.

[Uncle Drew]

Harden isn't "elite" on offense in the playoffs, he relies on FT's too much and his FG% drops every single year in the playoffs.

Harden is great on offense, not elite, especially not in the playoffs.
Kobe Bryant eFG%: .485
James Harden eFG%: .509

His game seems more efficient, whether he averages 2 free throws or 28. It doesn't matter how you get your points, as long as you can get them on decent efficiency.


So since Harden brought the ball up we should excuse him commiting 5 turnovers per game :oldlol:
That's not what I said.


And his defense is absolute dog shit, DOG SHIT while Kobe was one of if not the best perimeter defender in the league at the time.

Cool, amazing for Kobe. I'll send him a bouquet of flowers. But we're not arguing defense though. I won't even try to.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe Bryant eFG%: .485
James Harden eFG%: .509

His game seems more efficient, whether he averages 2 free throws or 28. It doesn't matter how you get your points, as long as you can get them on decent efficiency.


That's not what I said.



Cool, amazing for Kobe. I'll send him a bouquet of flowers. But we're not arguing defense though. I won't even try to.


I'm honestly not sure how anybody could watch the way Harden plays in the playoffs, and compare him to 2001 Kobe. Or any other great perimeter player during a year they played well in the playoffs. It's insane.

WATCH BASKETBALL

Harden's game is embarrassing to watch when he's not getting every calll

BTW, we are arguing defense, this is about the better player. Defense is a part of that

[bdreason]

It doesn't matter how you get your points, as long as you can get them on decent efficiency.





How you get your points definitely matters. Just contrast players like Harden and Curry, and how the way they score the ball directly affects their teammates involvement in the game, and resulting team success.

Modern players also seem to rely on scoring from the FT a little too much. Look at players like Harden and DeRozan, who rely heavily on getting fouled to score points. How's that working out for them in a playoff format where refs tend to swallow their whistles?

[Uncle Drew]

I'm honestly not sure how anybody could watch the way Harden plays in the playoffs, and compare him to 2001 Kobe. Or any other great perimeter player during a year they played well in the playoffs. It's insane.

WATCH BASKETBALL

BTW, we are arguing defense, this is about the better player. Defense is a part of that
I haven't said a single word about defense ever since I've entered this thread. If you want to slabber how AMAZING and GREAT and INSANE Kobe was on that end, go ahead. You're just arguing with yourself, since I won't go with it, because it has no point. We all know who the better defender was.


I'm honestly not sure how anybody could watch the way Harden plays in the playoffs, and compare him to 2001 Kobe

The way someone plays isn't relevant. Every player has his own style, his own moves, and his own way of playing the game. What I do know is that Harden's game is more efficient. It's not fun to watch, but it's a fact. James Harden is elite on the offensive end of the floor. Deal with it.

[ScalsFan21]

Yeahh even as a relentless Kobe hater, I don't know about this one. :lol

No version of Harden can touch either peak or 22-year-old Mamba in terms of actual on-court impact. Statistically, I'll admit they are comparable, but basketball is not a sport where the whole story can come from stats alone.

Edit: but it's far from an insulting comparison offensively.

[Uncle Drew]

How you get your points definitely matters. Just contrast players like Harden and Curry, and how the way they score the ball directly affects their teammates involvement in the game, and resulting team success.

Modern players also seem to rely on scoring from the FT a little too much. Look at players like Harden and DeRozan, who rely heavily on getting fouled to score points. How's that working out for them in a playoff format where refs tend to swallow their whistles?
James Harden shot 10 free throws per game in last years regular season.
James Harden shot 11 free throws per game in last years playoffs.

James Harden shot 10 free throws per game in this years regular season.
James Harden shot 9 free throws per game in this years playoffs.

Tell me more how the refs swallow their whistles.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I haven't said a single word about defense ever since I've entered this thread. If you want to slabber how AMAZING and GREAT and INSANE Kobe was on that end, go ahead. You're just arguing with yourself, since I won't go with it, because it has no point. We all know who the better defender was.



The way someone plays isn't relevant. Every player has his own style, his own moves, and his own way of playing the game. What I do know is that Harden's game is more efficient. It's not fun to watch, but it's a fact. James Harden is elite on the offensive end of the floor. Deal with it.

holy shit, yes it is :oldlol: :oldlol:

There are styles of play which clearly work better than others.

If you definition of "elite offense" in the playoffs is 26ppg on 41% then fine, whatever, I guess we have different meanings for the word elite.

He sucks on defense which makes these comparisons to other players laughable.

[Uncle Drew]

holy shit, yes it is :oldlol: :oldlol:

There are styles of play which clearly work better than others.

If you definition of "elite offense" in the playoffs is 26ppg on 41% then fine, whatever, I guess we have different meanings for the word elite.
Lol at looking at FG%.

Kobe Bryant eFG%: .485
James Harden eFG%: .509

Jet from this thread.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol at looking at FG%.

Kobe Bryant eFG%: .485
James Harden eFG%: .509

Jet from this thread.


first off, eFG% isn't the same as FG%, stop being stupid

Second off

Harden's eFG% in the playoffs as a rocket = 48%

Kobe's eFG% at 22 in the playoffs = 48%

and as the clear cut number one option from 06-10, Kobe's eFG% in the playoffs was 55%, 50%, 51% 49%, 51%


lastly,

Harden with the rockets in the playoffs = 26ppg on 41%, if you think that is elite, then we have different definitions of elite. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

first off, eFG% isn't the same as FG%, stop being stupid

Second off

Harden's eFG% in the playoffs as a rocket = 48%

Kobe's eFG% at 22 in the playoffs = 48%


lastly,

Harden with the rockets in the playoffs = 26ppg on 41%, if you think that is elite, then we have different definitions of elite. :oldlol: :oldlol:
All the time we've been referring to Harden as in last years playoffs, and now all of a sudden it's Harden's as a Rocket. :roll: :roll:

Hold this eternal L.

Kobe Bryant eFG%: .485
James Harden eFG%: .509

Deal with it.

Bye.

[TheMarkMadsen]

All the time we've been referring to Harden as in last years playoffs, and now all of a sudden it's Harden's as a Rocket. :roll: :roll:

Hold this eternal L.

Kobe Bryant eFG%: .485
James Harden eFG%: .509

Deal with it.

Bye.

so your go to argument for why Harden is better than a 22 year old Kobe is "eFG%" from one year which he lost in the playoffs in embarrassing fashion.

:biggums:

your argument flopped around more than Harden in this thread :oldlol:

Harden with the rockets averages 26ppg on 41%, that isn't elite, but if you want to act like it is.. then be my guest. But continue being the only person stupid enough on ISH to try to argue this..

[Uncle Drew]

so your go to argument for why Harden is better than a 22 year old Kobe is "eFG%" from one year which he lost in the playoffs in embarrassing fashion.
I never even said Harden is better. :roll: You either need to go back to school or get your eyes checked, this is getting embarrassing.