Klay Thompson or Reggie Miller?

[TrueBlue89]

Who would you rather have?

[Straight_Ballin]

Reggie, he's the greatest trash talker of all time. I don't think Klay would have got into Starks head like reggie did.

[inclinerator]

clay thomas

[TommyGriffin]

Reggie is more clutch.

[ClipperRevival]

It's a tad unfair to ask because we don't know if Klay has peaked yet. But as it stands, Miller. The guy was "the man" on his team for almost his entire career. Made 1 finals and went to the ECF 5 times. So had a ton of playoff success and a lot of clutch moments. The guy had the type of personality and charisma to lead, which he did well.

Being "the man" also meant defenses keyed in on him and he was still able to produce. We don't know how Klay would handle being "the man" for a SUSTAINED period of time. It's one thing to do it over a short time when you know the real alpha is coming back in a few games but quite another to do it year after year, for almost 2 decades like Miller did.

[Steven Kerry]

Klay for the first 47 minutes.

[ScalsFan21]

I think Reggie is highly overrated but despite being in both an era and a system where it was more difficult to produce quality numbers, he still managed to do it. Klay still has a lot to prove IMO before we can put him on that level.

[Jasper]

reggie would kill him 1 on 1 , ,, and Regggie had no defense :lol :lol :lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Klay is better at literally every aspect of the game.

Dribble drives, ballhandling, slashing, drawing fouls, midrange, better 3pt shooter, better spotting up, better curling off screens, handoffs, better offball, better playmaker, better rebounder, much better defender at every aspect.

[stalkerforlife]

Is this a joke?

[Reggie43]

Klay is better at literally every aspect of the game.

Dribble drives, ballhandling, slashing, drawing fouls, midrange, better 3pt shooter, better spotting up, better curling off screens, handoffs, better offball, better playmaker, better rebounder, much better defender at every aspect.

Yep

Its just weird that if you compare them at the same ages Reggie comes out as the much more efficient scorer .512 - .470 much better playmaker 4apg - 2.1apg and much superior at going to the line 7.3 fta - 2.8 fta, better at stealing the ball among other things but yeah Klay is better at everything :oldlol:

[ISHGoat]

Yep

Its just weird that if you compare them at the same ages Reggie comes out as the much more efficient scorer .512 - .470 much better playmaker 4apg - 2.1apg and much superior at going to the line 7.3 fta - 2.8 fta, better at stealing the ball among other things but yeah Klay is better at everything :oldlol:
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[Cold soul]

Reggie Miller.

[jstern]

Miller seems to be one of those players that's just going to get very underrated as time passes by, like a Tim Duncan. His game had a lot of substance, and for that he had a lot of success leading his teams into the playoffs, unlike lets say a Carmelo Anthony.

And then people want to compare apples to oranges, penalizing Miller because his style is different from the player he's being compared to.

Apple to oranges, it's like comparing Kyrie Irving to Tim Duncan and saying, "But does Duncan have Kyrie's handles? No, so Kyrie is better." I always get a chuckle out of that. The feeble minded simplify things to one factor, and discount the contributions that a player brought.

[ClipperRevival]

Miller seems to be one of those players that's just going to get very underrated as time passes by, like a Tim Duncan. His game had a lot of substance, and for that he had a lot of success leading his teams into the playoffs, unlike lets say a Carmelo Anthony.

And then people want to compare apples to oranges, penalizing Miller because his style is different from the player he's being compared to.

Apple to oranges, it's like comparing Kyrie Irving to Tim Duncan and saying, "But does Duncan have Kyrie's handles? No, so Kyrie is better." I always get a chuckle out of that. The feeble minded simplify things to one factor, and discount the contributions that a player brought.

Yeah, if people never saw him play and just look at his thin build and weird looking face, they would think he's a joke. But the guy was a straight killer and showed no fear, even in the playoffs. He looked forward to those tight situations and came through many times. Being "the man" carries a lot of weight and when you consider the NUMEROUS DEEP playoff runs he had, it's a credit to his leadership, actual high level of play and clutch performances.

[jstern]

Yeah, if people never saw him play and just look at his thin build and weird looking face, they would think he's a joke. But the guy was a straight killer and showed no fear, even in the playoffs. He looked forward to those tight situations and came through many times. Being "the man" carries a lot of weight and when you consider the NUMEROUS DEEP playoff runs he had, it's a credit to his leadership, actual high level of play and clutch performances.

Yeah, it kind of happens to every player that future generations never got to see in context.

http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBsWB7m.img?h=654&w=1019&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=950&y=670

I saw this picture last night and thought, Curry looks so weak physically next to Lebron, and future fans are going to dismiss everything he's done because "He's so weak" yet dominating the league, which means the league was weak. And they are going to dismiss Lebron because this is who he went up against?

[tpols]

klay does everything on a basketball court better than reggie.

[1987_Lakers]

I agree with Reggie being overrated, he was an All-Star player who gets superstar treatment by some fans which is understandable because of his clutch play, but at the end of the day he wasn't a player who was going to lead your team to a title.

Klay is probably a better player, both very similar on offense with Klay being slightly a better shooter, but on the defensive end it's no contest, Klay can lock down some players with his defense, Reggie was never a defensive player.

[k0kakw0rld]

Yep

Its just weird that if you compare them at the same ages Reggie comes out as the much more efficient scorer .512 - .470 much better playmaker 4apg - 2.1apg and much superior at going to the line 7.3 fta - 2.8 fta, better at stealing the ball among other things but yeah Klay is better at everything :oldlol:
Reggie was not playing with Steph and Draymond Green, too great play makers.

[houston]

Klay is more comparable to Mitch Richmond than Reggie Miller

BTW Mitch>>>>>>>Reggie

[Lebron23]

Klay Thompson 1 > 0

[Reggie43]

Klay is more comparable to Mitch Richmond than Reggie Miller

BTW Mitch>>>>>>>Reggie

Reggie at age 39 was leading his team to the playoffs and making it farther than Mitch Richmond ever did in his playoff career.

That Pacer team was ravaged by injuries and suspensions even got to the 2nd round and took 2 games against the defending champion Pistons and even briefly leading the series 2-1.

I like Mitch Richmond but him getting to inflate his numbers on bad teams isnt the same as someone who is leading his team to deep playoff runs as the teams leader and best player.

[Nikola_]

Drazen Petrovic

[Reggie43]

Klay thompson producing numbers as the teams 3rd best player aint the same either.

What happens if he suddenly plays without green and curry and the defense of the opposing team is focused on him? When he cant afford to have a bad game or series or his team would have no chance.

Miller faced that type of pressure throughout his career and was pretty succesful despite not winning it all.

[1987_Lakers]

Klay thompson producing numbers as the teams 3rd best player aint the same either.

What happens if he suddenly plays without green and curry and the defense of the opposing team is focused on him? When he cant afford to have a bad game or series or his team would have no chance.

Miller faced that type of pressure throughout his career and was pretty succesful despite not winning it all.

Klay has averaged around 28 ppg this postseason, he stepped up when Curry was hurt.

[Reggie43]

Klay has averaged around 28 ppg this postseason, he stepped up when Curry was hurt.

Good for him but it was still a small sample size against bad teams and still behind Draymond as the teams best player without Curry.

[GimmeThat]

Stever Kerr would take Reggie over Klay, Because Klay's inability to go off screens for a 3. Klay's advantage is he doesn't get blocked a lot, he has to be concentrated on his game, in order for his team to produce.

[Real14]

Is this a joke?
Seem like it.

[Klay 3D]

Klay. He plays his role better. Reggie wanted to be the man/hero but he was 2nd/3rd option talent.

Still a HOF though. Can't disrespect that.

[sd3035]

KLAY

He's doing it in a far more difficult era

[Dro]

Game 1 Game winner vs. Philly 2001 Playoffs-underdogs...only shot 5-21 but the game winner at 35 years old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dh_WmIa-Gs

Game 5 2000 Playoffs...Reggie goes for 41 on 15-25 hitting huge shots down the stretch of the close game, jab stepping the sh*t outta Tim Thomas, lol...and vs. Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson, Sam Cassell and company...He had 33 pts in Game 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORnlZAv0LnE

Game 6 2000 playoffs vs. Knicks...Reggie goes for 34 and hits huge shots during the 4th quarter to eliminate the Knicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6IfMVByd3w

Game 5 1994 ECF vs. Knicks....25 points in the 4th quarter....Reggie playing like sh*t up until that point...and you know the rest..one of the greatest performances in NBA History period....There's not too many players not named Bird, Magic, or Jordan who can be the villain in a hostile environment and do that sh*t in MSG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDSF8otJH8Y

2002 Playoffs vs. Nets...Elimination game Reggie banks in a shot from almost half court to extend the game, then follows it up with a dunk in overtime over (yes over) Aaron Williams to extend the game yet again....Reggie at this point is 35-36 years old

Shot and dunk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhC1gMTsc8

Reggie Miller 39 points at age 39 against your boy Kobe and the Lakers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFMNWOP-VKo

57 Points vs. Charlotte Hornets 1992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zWXkwv0am8

1998 Playoffs vs. Knicks..Game 4...Reggie goes for 38 points and hits the game tying 3....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9J2etJbDQ

1991 vs. Celtics Playoffs, 26 point, 18 in the 4th quarter..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcYILEHN4es

1998 vs. Bulls..Game 3...Everybody talks about the shot in game 6 but forget he had 13 points in the final 5 minutes of the game to bring the Pacers back. He ended up with 28.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJrTGf0Wcgg

2000 Finals. vs. Lakers Game 4....35 points vs. your boy again Kobe, 6 three's..No Kobe did not guard him the entire game..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaI6mPr4AE0

1989-1990....44 pts..vs. the Bulls giving it to Jordan AND Pippen...13-22 shooting...Games like these among others are why Jordan says Reggie is one of the toughest players he's ever played against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8MZTOixG54

Not even gonna put the 8 pts in 9 seconds or the shot on the Bulls because everyone knows those...

[Edgar Friendly]

Klay for the first 47 minutes.

Answer was nailed by a low post alt on the 6th post of this thread.

[bizil]

I agree with Reggie being overrated, he was an All-Star player who gets superstar treatment by some fans which is understandable because of his clutch play, but at the end of the day he wasn't a player who was going to lead your team to a title.

Klay is probably a better player, both very similar on offense with Klay being slightly a better shooter, but on the defensive end it's no contest, Klay can lock down some players with his defense, Reggie was never a defensive player.

Good points! When u think about it, Reggie was one of the most one dimensional legends of all time. The only thing he did great was score, but dominant scoring ability is the most valuable asset to have in my book. In other aspects, Reggie was average or even below average.

And as u stated, Klay is comparable as scorer PLUS is a great defender. So in my opinion, Klay's two way ability give him the edge on Reggie. If Klay HAD to be a #1 option, I think he would do similar damage over the long haul like Reggie.

I don't think people realize how unique Klay is. The only pure shooter-scorer type with better defense HISTORICALLY was Jerry West. Other great shooter-scorer types like Reggie, Ray Ray, Ellis, Houston, Rice, Peja, etc. didn't have the defense of a West or Klay.

[Klay 3D]

I don't think people realize how unique Klay is. The only pure shooter-scorer type with better defense HISTORICALLY was Jerry West. Other great shooter-scorer types like Reggie, Ray Ray, Ellis, Houston, Rice, Peja, etc. didn't have the defense of a West or Klay.
Mitch Richmond and Chauncey Billups comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of others.

[bizil]

Mitch Richmond and Chauncey Billups comes to mind. I'm sure there were plenty of others.

Mitch and Chauncey could shoot very well, but Klay is a better shooter than they were. Shooting wise, Klay is more on the level of guys like Ray and Miller. Defense wise, I would take Klay over Mitch. Chauncey was a great defensive PG. But once again, Billups couldn't shoot as well as Klay. The only player FOR SURE that combined great pure shooting and great defense better than Klay is Mr. Clutch. Mitch and Billups didn't combine those two facets as well.

[Klay 3D]

Mitch and Chauncey could shoot very well, but Klay is a better shooter than they were. Shooting wise, Klay is more on the level of guys like Ray and Miller. Defense wise, I would take Klay over Mitch. Chauncey was a great defensive PG. But once again, Billups couldn't shoot as well as Klay. The only player FOR SURE that combined great pure shooting and great defense better than Klay is Mr. Clutch. Mitch and Billups didn't combine those two facets as well.
I say their defense are a wash depending on the matchup. Klay can guard swiftness better but Mitch can combat strength with strength. Both high in IQ but both aren't "great". Very good defenders only.

I would say Mitch is right there with the all-time great shooters. He didn't shoot as much, but when he did, he was definitely a 40% 3pt shooter and almost automatic from the midrange. Back-to-back years of 200+ 3pt makes on 44 and 43% says he's an elite shooter. The game was different back then. Putting up 7-8 attempts from deep was almost unheard of. Mitch was very capable of making 3/7 on a consistent basis.

Billups wasn't a better shooter, but he's one of the great shooters in history with big shot making ability. He played a bit better D than Klay.

[houston]

Reggie at age 39 was leading his team to the playoffs and making it farther than Mitch Richmond ever did in his playoff career.

That Pacer team was ravaged by injuries and suspensions even got to the 2nd round and took 2 games against the defending champion Pistons and even briefly leading the series 2-1.

I like Mitch Richmond but him getting to inflate his numbers on bad teams isnt the same as someone who is leading his team to deep playoff runs as the teams leader and best player.


Mitch put up the same numbers when he was with Golden State.

lol @ Reggie leading them pacers. Man Artest and O'neal was the team best players on those squads.

Reggie had better team than Mitch plus he played in the east with weaker teams.

[bizil]

I say their defense are a wash depending on the matchup. Klay can guard swiftness better but Mitch can combat strength with strength. Both high in IQ but both aren't "great". Very good defenders only.

I would say Mitch is right there with the all-time great shooters. He didn't shoot as much, but when he did, he was definitely a 40% 3pt shooter and almost automatic from the midrange. Back-to-back years of 200+ 3pt makes on 44 and 43% says he's an elite shooter. The game was different back then. Putting up 7-8 attempts from deep was almost unheard of. Mitch was very capable of making 3/7 on a consistent basis.

Billups wasn't a better shooter, but he's one of the great shooters in history with big shot making ability. He played a bit better D than Klay.

While I do think Mitch's defense was underrated, it wasn't held in as high of regard as Klay's defense. Mitch mainly defended SG's. Klay defends SG's, SF's and PG's. A key hallmark of great perimeter defenders is the ability to defend multiple positions well. Mitch didn't show as much versatility as Klay. Klay can LEGIT say he's the 2nd best shooter in the world AND a top 5 caliber perimeter defender in the world. Mitch NEVER quite reached that combination of shooting and defense. Shooting wise, Mitch was one of the best. Defense wise, he wasn't held in as high of a regard.

[oarabbus]

Reggie didn't have Curry on the court next to him.

[k0kakw0rld]

Klay no hesitation

[ClipperRevival]

I agree with Reggie being overrated, he was an All-Star player who gets superstar treatment by some fans which is understandable because of his clutch play, but at the end of the day he wasn't a player who was going to lead your team to a title.

Klay is probably a better player, both very similar on offense with Klay being slightly a better shooter, but on the defensive end it's no contest, Klay can lock down some players with his defense, Reggie was never a defensive player.

:oldlol: 1 Finals appearance and 5 ECF appearances would say otherwise. And Klay is the ULTIMATE example of a support player. Sure, sometimes his numbers are bonkers but on a game by game, week by week and month by month basis, the guy's offense works off others.

Miller was much better at carrying offenses even though the numbers might not suggest it. He was great from the TT position and very quick in his younger days. He could play off ball obviously too like Klay but he had the BURDEN of being "the man" on his team for almost his entire career and D's focusing in on him. Klay is a great 2nd fiddle. If you asked him to carry an offense as "the man", you will see just how limited his iso game is.

[Draz]

Oh Reggie for sure.

[bizil]

When it comes to scoring ability, I can see the case for Reggie. Because for the bulk of his career, he was the #1 option for the Pacers. And at his best, Miller FOR SURE was alpha dog quality. When it comes to Klay, the jury is still out on what he could do as a #1 guy year in and year out. Personally, I think Klay could do well as a #1 option.

With some dyanmic duos (West-Baylor, Russ-KD, Bron-Wade, Kobe-Shaq, Doc-Moses, etc.), u can EASILY TELL u have two dominant alpha dogs flat out. With Curry-Klay, they aren't as dominant a tandem. BUT I still think Klay could be a #1 option on the level of Dale Ellis. Ellis was a BEAST during his best days. Reggie had a certain magic in clutch moments that was EPIC!! Reggie was VERY RARE in that regard. If Klay has that in him remains to be seen. But I wouldn't put it past him either...

[ImKobe]

Klay is the better shooter and defensive player

Reggie is better for clutch situations since he'll do whatever it takes to gain advantage over someone (the push-off on MJ to get separation on that game-winning three in 98).

[Klay 3D]

While I do think Mitch's defense was underrated, it wasn't held in as high of regard as Klay's defense. Mitch mainly defended SG's. Klay defends SG's, SF's and PG's. A key hallmark of great perimeter defenders is the ability to defend multiple positions well. Mitch didn't show as much versatility as Klay. Klay can LEGIT say he's the 2nd best shooter in the world AND a top 5 caliber perimeter defender in the world. Mitch NEVER quite reached that combination of shooting and defense. Shooting wise, Mitch was one of the best. Defense wise, he wasn't held in as high of a regard.
In what world is Klay a top 5 perimeter defender? He's a very good defender but no one can fool me that he's a top 5 and maybe not even top 10. He'll most likely never be an All-NBA defender in his career, and I watch him probably more than anyone here. Klay is great for his size against smaller guards on-ball, but off-ball, around screens, and team defense, he's average. If your argument is top 5 perimeter player on both sides of the ball, you might have a case, but then I'll doubt that as well. You're holding Klay in too high of a regard on defense. Iggy and Shaun Livingston to me are better all-around defenders who are on the same team.

Mitch was highly regarded as a defender. Nothing less than solid to Michael Jordan praising him.

[bizil]

In what world is Klay a top 5 perimeter defender? He's a very good defender but no one can fool me that he's a top 5 and maybe not even top 10. He'll most likely never be an All-NBA defender in his career, and I watch him probably more than anyone here. Klay is great for his size against smaller guards on-ball, but off-ball, around screens, and team defense, he's average. If your argument is top 5 perimeter player on both sides of the ball, you might have a case, but then I'll doubt that as well. You're holding Klay in too high of a regard on defense. Iggy and Shaun Livingston to me are better all-around defenders who are on the same team.

Mitch was highly regarded as a defender. Nothing less than solid to Michael Jordan praising him.

When I said top 5 caliber perimeter defender, I meant some people argue him in that group. I don't think he is personally, but some people hold him in that regard. I think he could be argued in the top 10 perimeter defenders. I agree Iggy is a better defender, but I can't put Livingston ahead of him.

In the two way sense, he's arguably the best SG in the world. When it comes to Mitch, he was highly regarded as a defender. But looking back, he wasn't as highly regarded as Klay on defense. I'm aware that MJ praised Mitch for his defense, but MJ applauded Mitch EVEN MORE for his scoring ability. Mitch's scoring skillset was as complete as any SG of the time other than MJ. But Dumars was always THE GUY MJ gave the props to for defense.

[Reggie43]

Mitch put up the same numbers when he was with Golden State.

lol @ Reggie leading them pacers. Man Artest and O'neal was the team best players on those squads.

Reggie had better team than Mitch plus he played in the east with weaker teams.

Artest was suspended while Jermaine was suspended and injured, coming back only when the playoffs started and still struggled with the injury.

LIke I said they had an injury ravaged team that was probably the worst pacer team ever fielded because it was after the brawl yet they still managed to crawl to the playoffs and make a decent run, farther than mitch ever did even with those insanely talented Run Tmc teams.

[Lebron23]

Reggie Miller

[FultzNationRISE]

Reggie Miller

Yep, altho the fact this is even a discussion speaks VOLUMES to how loaded Lebron's Finals competition has been. Klay is being compared to Reggie Miller when he's like the 4th best player on his own team.

And Lebron still lifted the trophy in 16.

Unthinkable.

[3ba11]

klay does everything on a basketball court better than reggie.


* Klay is a stand-still jumpshooter that just has to stand and wait for kickouts in today's 3-point format.. His stats are worse than Hornacek across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, APG, efficiency).

* Miller was a crafty, pure scorer that didn't get to wait for kickouts or be a sidekick - he had someone glued to him at all times and therefore had to be a pure scorer off those screens.. The catch and shoot wasn't available a lot of the time.. And his stats destroy Klay or Hornacek.

[FultzNationRISE]

* Klay is a stand-still jumpshooter that just has to stand and wait for kickouts in today's 3-point format

* Miller was a crafty, pure scorer that didn't get to wait for kickouts or be a sidekick - he had someone glued to him at all times and therefore had to be a pure scorer off those screens.. The catch and shoot often wasn't available

Klay is being compared to Reggie Miller when he's like the 4th best player on his own team.

And Lebron still lifted the trophy in 16.

Unthinkable.

[3ba11]

Klay is being compared to Reggie Miller when he's like the 4th best player on his own team.

And Lebron still lifted the trophy in 16.

Unthinkable.


Klay is nowhere near Hornacek, let alone Miller, so they aren't comparable.. Only the winning spotlight inflates low-producers like Klay, Wiggins, and Pippen to foolish media accolade.. But the winning is only possible because of the superior strategy/brand of ball that Curry's fundamentally-sound skillset allows as a high producer (ball movement, elite jumpshooting skill)

[FultzNationRISE]

Klay is nowhere near Hornacek, let alone Miller, so they aren't comparable.. Only the winning spotlight inflates low-producers like Klay, Wiggins, and Pippen to foolish media accolade.. But the winning is only possible because of the superior strategy/brand of ball that Curry's fundamentally-sound skillset allows as a high producer (ball movement, elite jumpshooting skill)

Did he make the playoffs without Klay last year?

[3ba11]

Did he make the playoffs without Klay last year?


There's levels to "carry-jobs".. i.e. Curry had an 85' bulls or 04' Cavs-level cast, you know what I mean?

Elevating a 20-win team to 35 wins is huge and that's what guys like Curry, MJ, and Lebron have done..

But that's different than carrying a 40-win team to the ECF or Finals (depending on the in-conference comp)

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Klays been a glorified role player his entire career

Reggie was always the man of his team

Not comparable

[3ba11]

Did he make the playoffs without Klay last year?

Btw, similar to Lebron, Curry needs a year or two to develop his team before entering the playoffs like 06' or 20' Lebron - Lebron always needed a couple years to develop a team before entering the playoffs - he failed to carry 20-win teams to playoffs in 05' and 19'

Again, there's levels to carry-jobs - carrying a 20-win team to 35 wins is the first step, and that's different from carrying a 40-win team to a deep run