Kobe's Lakers or LeBron's Cavaliers (More Stacked?)

[warriorfan]

Who is more stacked?

Love > Pau
Irving > Odom
TT > Ariza
Mozgov > Bynum
JR > Derek Fisher



Cleveland is stacked

[Nilocon165]

Who is more stacked?

Love > Pau
Irving > Odom
TT > Ariza
Mozgov > Bynum
JR > Derek Fisher



Cleveland is stacked
:facepalm

[scuzzy]

Mozgov doesn't even play anymore


OP comfirmed box score watcher

[Bankaii]

Who is more stacked?

Green > Pau > Love
Curry > Irving > Fisher
Odom > Barnes = TT
Bogut > Bynum > Mozgov
Klay > Ariza > JR



Golden State is stacked
FMVP Iggy's Warriors are stacked:eek: :bowdown:
Best players at 4/5 spots.

[Showtime2001]

Cavs easily.

[ArbitraryWater]

Who is more stacked?

Love > Pau
Irving > Odom
TT > Ariza
Mozgov > Bynum
JR > Derek Fisher



Cleveland is stacked

whats with these random comparisons, not done by best player or position :wtf:

best player wise:

Bron > Kobe
Gasol > Irving
Odom > Love
Bynum > Thompson
Ariza/Artest > Smith

Who's next? Shumpert and Fisher?

[dubnation]

Who is more stacked?

Love > Pau
Irving > Odom
TT > Ariza
Mozgov > Bynum
JR > Derek Fisher



Cleveland is stacked

:roll:

:facepalm

Irving would be a TERRIBLE fit next to Kobe, so you could say Odom is better in that situation. On the other hand, TT would benefit a lot from all the Kobe assists :lol

[TheImmortal]

Cavaliers and it ain't even close.. especially when you factor in just how easily he gets to the Finals.. only having to beat just 1 legit team.

[Lebronxrings]

:roll:

:facepalm

Irving would be a TERRIBLE fit next to Kobe, so you could say Odom is better in that situation. On the other hand, TT would benefit a lot from all the Kobe assists :lol
dam ether by a real warrior fan

[TheMarkMadsen]

Cavs are undeniably more stacked. They have two guys other than Lebron who are averaging around 20ppg.

Did anybody on the Lakers outscore Kobe for an entire series like Kyrie did Lebron in these playoffs??

[dubnation]

Cavs are undeniably more stacked. They have two guys other than Lebron who are averaging around 20ppg.

Did anybody on the Lakers outscore Kobe for an entire series like Kyrie did Lebron in these playoffs??

There are 2 sides to the ball. Kyrie and KLove might score 20 ppg, but they are below average defenders and playmakers. Pau and Odom were far more versatile. It's also hard to outscore a guy like Kobe who jacks up 25+ shots per game.

[Bankaii]

Cavs are undeniably more stacked. They have two guys other than Lebron who are averaging around 20ppg.

Did anybody on the Lakers outscore Kobe for an entire series like Kyrie did Lebron in these playoffs??
Did anyone on the Lakers take nearly as many FGA as Kobe like Kyrie did Lebron last round?

[inclinerator]

There are 2 sides to the ball. Kyrie and KLove might score 20 ppg, but they are below average defenders and playmakers. Pau and Odom were far more versatile. It's also hard to outscore a guy like Kobe who jacks up 25+ shots per game.
:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

There are 2 sides to the ball. Kyrie and KLove might score 20 ppg, but they are below average defenders and playmakers. Pau and Odom were far more versatile. It's also hard to outscore a guy like Kobe who jacks up 25+ shots per game.

so pau's soft european azz had defense better than average?

nice revisionist history! u dont know shit about ball, stop posting in this thread! :roll:

[oh the horror]

I'd argue Pau over Love man. Seriously. Imagine a prime Pau on this Cavs team? Whew.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'd argue Pau over Love man. Seriously. Imagine a prime Pau on this Cavs team? Whew.

.. ya think?!

Id argue Odom over Love, too. Much more versatile, better defensively, creative, ballhandling.. pretty identical stats, but much better advanced stats.

[TrueBlue89]

Lakers easily.

[oh the horror]

.. ya think?!

Id argue Odom over Love, too. Much more versatile, better defensively, creative, ballhandling.. pretty identical stats, but much better advanced stats.



It's funny too because back in his Minnesota days you wouldn't think so. But after the move one has to look at Odom's ability to slide right into a roster and immediately open up options for them in terms of how he can play. Odom can do almost anything you need including guarding wing players of all sizes.


Love on the other hand while talented has looked out of place at times on this roster.

[warriorfan]

Mozgov doesn't even play anymore


OP comfirmed box score watcher

bynum wouldn't even play most of the time either but it was due to injury...not because his team being so stacked :lol

we already went through this in another thread Mozgov > Bynum



Mozgov
http://s32.postimg.org/xpkvqrxxh/mozgov.png



Bynum
http://s32.postimg.org/4ljc8ommd/bynum.jpg

:rolleyes:

[warriorfan]

bynum wouldn't even play most of the time either but it was due to injury...not because his team being so stacked :lol

we already went through this in another thread Mozgov > Bynum



Mozgov
http://s32.postimg.org/xpkvqrxxh/mozgov.png



Bynum
http://s32.postimg.org/4ljc8ommd/bynum.jpg

:rolleyes:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Did anyone on the Lakers take nearly as many FGA as Kobe like Kyrie did Lebron last round?


how do you not see how stupid that argument is.

The Lakers didn't have anybody who could routinely get off shots and create for themselves as much a Kobe.

But the Cavs do have a player who can routinely get off shots and create for themselves as much as Lebron (who you would call one of the GOAT scorers)

Having that luxury is another reason why this team is more stacked that the Lakers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[TheMarkMadsen]

There are 2 sides to the ball. Kyrie and KLove might score 20 ppg, but they are below average defenders and playmakers. Pau and Odom were far more versatile. It's also hard to outscore a guy like Kobe who jacks up 25+ shots per game.

Pau was average defensively for a big, Odom was extremely inconsistent and was never anything more than an average defender.

And again, the Lakers didn't have anybody who could actually create for themselves to get up shots, other than Kobe.

The Cavs have two guys other than Lebron who can consistently create for themselves, one of which is just as good at creating for himself as Lebron is in 2016.

Having two guys other than yourself who can create looks for themselves > being the only guy who can consistently create for himself.

[livinglegend]

how is even a question?
Lakers were more stacked by faaaarrrr.
Cavs are 4-13 without Lebron the past 2 years. :facepalm

[livinglegend]

Pau was average defensively for a big, Odom was extremely inconsistent and was never anything more than an average defender.

And again, the Lakers didn't have anybody who could actually create for themselves to get up shots, other than Kobe.

The Cavs have two guys who can consistently create for themselves, one of which is just as good at creating for himself as Lebron is in 2016.

Having two guys other than yourself who can create looks for themselves > being the only guy who can consistently create for himself.

4-13 without Lebron past 2 years.

[raprap]

Pau was average defensively for a big, Odom was extremely inconsistent and was never anything more than an average defender.

And again, the Lakers didn't have anybody who could actually create for themselves to get up shots, other than Kobe.

The Cavs have two guys who can consistently create for themselves, one of which is just as good at creating for himself as Lebron is in 2016.

Having two guys other than yourself who can create looks for themselves > being the only guy who can consistently create for himself.
:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

4-13 without Lebron past 2 years.

jesus, how could a team that talented go 4-13? :wtf:

this shows you the number that lebron-ball does over on a team

complete system and chemistry killer

[livinglegend]

jesus, how could a team that talented go 4-13? :wtf:

this shows you the number that lebron-ball does over on a team

complete system and chemistry killer

Plot twist: The team wasn't talented.



NEXT

[warriorfan]

Plot twist: The team wasn't talented.



NEXT

meltdown!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron fans ITT

deflect, deflect, deflect,

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

meltdown!!!

:roll: :roll:

It didn't take a lot to get you to meltdown :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[livinglegend]

Lebron fans ITT

deflect, deflect, deflect,

:oldlol: :oldlol:

If they have so many players who can creat for themselves, then why are they 4-13 without Lebron?


NEXT

[TheMarkMadsen]

If they have so many players who can creat for themselves, then why are they 4-13 without Lebron?


NEXT


what does that W/L record have to do with how many shot creators they have on that team? :oldlol: :oldlol:

That record includes games where half the team was being traded in 2015, includes games where Love missed, includes games where Kyrie missed.

regular season W/L in this context is such a dumb thing to go off of, so no surprise that its your go to argument. Nets swept the HEAT in the regular season a couple years back then got swept in the playoffs.

Guess what buddy? The 2013 Heat were 5-1 without Lebron, guess that means they didn't need him..... right? Since that seems to be your holy grail of arguments. :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[livinglegend]

what does that W/L record have to do with how many shot creators they have on that team? :oldlol: :oldlol:



If they have so many shot creators, then they should have dominated even without Lebron.
That clearly wasn't the case as the 4-13 record shows it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Now if you'd like to address the fact that the Cavs have two players other than Lebron who are averaging 20ppg, and how they have a player who is just as good at creating his own look as Lebron in 2016 compared to the Lakers who only had one guy who consistently create his own look in Kobe.. that would be nice.

Kobe led those teams in scoring and assist while putting up 30ppg on 56.4% TS with 6 assist per game

Lebron currently is averaging 24ppg on 57.6% TS with 7 assist per game.. and those scoring/efficiency will go down slightly after today game..

[livinglegend]

Now if you'd like to address the fact that the Cavs have two players other than Lebron who are averaging 20ppg, and how they have a player who is just as good at creating his own look as Lebron in 2016 compared to the Lakers who only had one guy who consistently create his own look in Kobe.. that would be nice.

Kobe led those teams in scoring and assist while putting up 30ppg on 56.4% TS with 6 assist per game

Lebron currently is averaging 24ppg on 57.6% TS with 7 assist per game.. and those scoring/efficiency will go down slightly after today game..

Lebron makes his teammates better.
They haven't even touched the playoffs without Lebron.
And they are 4-13 without Lebron past 2 years.

[TheMarkMadsen]

If they have so many shot creators, then they should have dominated even without Lebron.
That clearly wasn't the case as the 4-13 record shows it.

the 2013 heat were 5-1 without Lebron, which shows that they were stacked af and didn't need Lebron because of their regular season W/L without him that season

great argument :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron makes his teammates better.

by scoring 6 less points per game than Kobe on the same efficiency while dishing out 1 more assist and turning it over 1 more time per game??


:roll: :roll:

[livinglegend]

the 2013 heat were 5-1 without Lebron, which shows that they were stacked af and didn't need Lebron because of their regular season W/L without him that season

great argument :oldlol: :oldlol:

small sample

[livinglegend]

by scoring 6 less points per game than Kobe on the same efficiency while dishing out 1 more assist and turning it over 1 more time per game??


:roll: :roll:

The attention he draws off-ball opens the whole game for his teammates.

[TheMarkMadsen]

small sample


so then why don't you only use the cavs w/l without Lebron this season, instead of combining it with last seasons record when they were a different team and had different pieces

If you're using their W/L record without Lebron from this year, the same will be... six games.. the same sample size that you are saying it too small to judge from the 2013 HEAT.

So you just ruined your own argument by admitting that 6 game sample size is too small to judge

thanks for walking right into that, TOO EASY

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[AirBonner]

I say they are pretty equal. Except the lakers didn't have two teams in the playoffs (spurs warriors) that were much better than them.

[livinglegend]

so then why don't you only use the cavs w/l without Lebron this season, instead of combining it with last seasons record when they were a different team and had different pieces

If you're using their W/L record without Lebron from this year, the same will be... six games.. the same sample size that you are saying it too small to judge from the 2013 HEAT.

So you just ruined your own argument by admitting that 6 game sample size is too small to judge

thanks for walking right into that, TOO EASY

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Because Love and Irving were shot creators also the year before.

[Bankaii]

how do you not see how stupid that argument is.

The Lakers didn't have anybody who could routinely get off shots and create for themselves as much a Kobe.

But the Cavs do have a player who can routinely get off shots and create for themselves as much as Lebron (who you would call one of the GOAT scorers)

Having that luxury is another reason why this team is more stacked that the Lakers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
So you're saying Pau and Odom couldn't create shots for themselves?:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Love is not a better player than Pau was.

Don't care about anything else here.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So you're saying Pau and Odom couldn't create shots for themselves?:roll:


can you read??

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because Love and Irving were shot creators also the year before.


team was different in 2015

6 game sample size in 2016 which you admit was too small

NEXT

[livinglegend]

team was different in 2015

6 game sample size in 2016 which you admit was too small

NEXT

They still had the shot creators you are talking about.
No excuses of the awful record.


NEXT

[TheMarkMadsen]

They still had the shot creators you are talking about.
No excuses of the awful record.


NEXT

:facepalm :facepalm

[IGOTGAME]

I say they are pretty equal. Except the lakers didn't have two teams in the playoffs (spurs warriors) that were much better than them.

The Lakers would beat this Spurs team imo. The Warriors would be tougher but still possible.

[livinglegend]

:facepalm :facepalm

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hold this L.

[Bankaii]

can you read??
"The Lakers didn't have anyone that could create for themselves as much as Kobe"

Based on what exactly, PPG?

[warriorfan]

lmao livinglegend is in full dubeta meltdown mode right now :roll: :roll:

n iggas cant even talk ball with out melting down

We WIN!

We WIN!

We WIN!

:banana:

[TheMarkMadsen]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hold this L.

the only thing I'm holding is the knowledge of you being a complete moron, who had his own logic thrown back into his face and couldn't come up with any new arguments in return

You yourself said 6 game sample size is too small, so 6 games from that 4-13 record are irrelevant

the rest of those games are from last year, when the team was different and both Kyrie and Love missed time when Lebron was out.

You have nothing new to add, you got owned, accepted it, move on and try to come up with a different reason to explain how this stacked ass cavs team has a terrible supporting cast around Lebron

:lol :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

"The Lakers didn't have anyone that could create for themselves as much as Kobe"

Based on what exactly, PPG?


go ahead and make the argument that Pau Gasol is as good of a shot creator as Kobe Bryant

:roll: :roll:

[warriorfan]

Love is not a better player than Pau was.

Don't care about anything else here.


:facepalm

Just cause LeBron-Ball turns his teammates into worse players doesn't make those players worse

GASOL AND LOVE BEFORE KOBE AND BEFORE LEBRON

2007 Gasol - Age 26
20/9/3


2014 Love - Age 25
26/12/4

GET THE **** OUT OF HERE

[PP34Deuce]

Cavs playing great at this time.

Winning is winning.

[dubnation]

so pau's soft european azz had defense better than average?

nice revisionist history! u dont know shit about ball, stop posting in this thread! :roll:

Well, he actually did. That's not debatable. Pau was at least a solid defender from 2008-2010.

And I mean, that's actually irrelevant, since he's infinitely better than Love on D, and far more versatile on O. So what point are you trying to make?

[dubnation]

:facepalm

Just cause LeBron-Ball turns his teammates into worse players doesn't make those players worse

GASOL AND LOVE BEFORE KOBE AND BEFORE LEBRON

2007 Gasol - Age 26
20/9/3


2014 Love - Age 25
26/12/4

GET THE **** OUT OF HERE

:lol Take that f*cking avatar off you f*cking punk

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well, he actually did. That's not debatable. Pau was at least a solid defender from 2008-2010.

And I mean, that's actually irrelevant, since he's infinitely better than Love on D, and far more versatile on O. So what point are you trying to make?

I'll take Pau over Love, but saying Pau was far more versatile on offense when Love is a great 3pt shooter (something Pau never did) and is a great passer at the 4 too, is ridiculous.

[warriorfan]

:lol Take that f*cking avatar off you f*cking punk

**** you you curry stan you are a fake frontrunning bitch

[dubnation]

**** you you curry stan you are a fake frontrunning bitch

:roll:

everyone here knows you're the biggest Curry stan non-GSW fan out here bro. you're not fooling anyone. How are you gonna say I'm a frontrunner :roll:

[warriorfan]

:roll:

everyone here knows you're the biggest Curry stan non-GSW fan out here bro. you're not fooling anyone. How are you gonna say I'm a frontrunner :roll:

you are a new fan who just started posting when curry started playing well

you are a front-running stan

face it

[dubnation]

you are a new fan who just started posting when curry started playing well

you are a front-running stan

face it

I post when I have free time and it feels right. It says more about you than it does about me that you keep track of that sh*t. I joined in the beginning of 2014 before GSW was a juggernaut, and I've been a fan for 15+ years.

You have 50,000+ posts across countless alt accounts and you're trying to roast me? :roll:

[warriorfan]

I post when I have free time and it feels right. It says more about you than it does about me that you keep track of that sh*t. I joined in the beginning of 2014 before GSW was a juggernaut, and I've been a fan for 15+ years.

You have 50,000+ posts across countless alt accounts and you're trying to roast me? :roll:

yeah 2014, JUST A COINCIDENCE when the warriors started doing good you came to talk ball...bullshit

50k posts...:wtf: u r melting down bro

[dubnation]

yeah 2014, JUST A COINCIDENCE when the warriors started doing good you came to talk ball...bullshit

50k posts...:wtf: u r melting down bro

Even if that were true -- meaning I just became a fan in the early 2014 season -- the Dubs were coming off a season where they got eliminated in the 1st round... quite an opportunity to jump on a championship bandwagon... right? Though, since you're actually a Kobe stan I wouldn't expect you to know that anyway.

enjoy the playoffs though, just make sure you log on to the right account for who you're stanning that day :applause:

[warriorfan]

Even if that were true -- meaning I just became a fan in the early 2014 season -- the Dubs were coming off a season where they got eliminated in the 1st round... quite an opportunity to jump on a championship bandwagon... right?

compared to the previous 5+ years...yes, it was an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon

just because they weren't championship bound doesn't mean there wasn't a wagon that u hopped ur ass on, stop trying to blur the lines here we know you are a bandwagoner just admit it

[dubnation]

compared to the previous 5+ years...yes, it was an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon

just because they weren't championship bound doesn't mean there wasn't a wagon that u hopped ur ass on, stop trying to blur the lines here we know you are a bandwagoner just admit it

deflecting :roll:

I'm done lil' boy. Go watch the WCSF it's a good game

[ShawkFactory]

:facepalm

Just cause LeBron-Ball turns his teammates into worse players doesn't make those players worse

GASOL AND LOVE BEFORE KOBE AND BEFORE LEBRON

2007 Gasol - Age 26
20/9/3


2014 Love - Age 25
26/12/4

GET THE **** OUT OF HERE
You don't know ball if you think love is better than Pau was. Or at least more useful as a 2nd option.

Pau gives you so many more things. Kobe will be the first to tell you that. He was the most skilled big man in the league.

Better defense, better/smarter passing, just smarter in general. Incredibly efficient. Overall a guy that would be much more beneficial to have on your team than Love...in any scenario.

You can take your extra 6 points from your guy jacking up extra threes on a mediocre team. I'll take the W.

[warriorfan]

deflecting :roll:

I'm done lil' boy. Go watch the WCSF it's a good game

deflecting by bringing up the fact that when the warriors were playing their best ball in half a decade ur ass shows up and starts talking about it...

:roll:

[warriorfan]

You don't know ball if you think love is better than Pau was. Or at least more useful as a 2nd option.

Pau gives you so many more things. Kobe will be the first to tell you that. He was the most skilled big man in the league.

Better defense, better/smarter passing, just smarter in general. Incredibly efficient. Overall a guy that would be much more beneficial to have on your team than Love...in any scenario.

You can take your extra 6 points from your guy jacking up threes a game on a mediocre team. I'll take the W.

oh so now pau gasol is the white kevin garnett? :lol

interesting revisionist history going on here :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

How can you say that Pau was the most skilled big in the league when he was playing in the same league as Dirk, Duncan & KG

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

How do people not see that having to argue between who was better, Lebron's 3rd option or Kobe's 2nd that you've already lost the argument about which team was more stacked.

[dubnation]

deflecting by bringing up the fact that when the warriors were playing their best ball in half a decade ur ass shows up and starts talking about it...

:roll:

Yeah, quote me where I was talking about the Warriors in this thread?

...

That's what I thought.

[Disaprine]

lebron, because he had wade and bosh.

[Smoke117]

The Lakers obviously.

[TommyGriffin]

You guys are really underrating our Cavs team this year.

[Steven Kerry]

Who is more stacked?

Love > Pau
Irving > Odom
TT > Ariza
Mozgov > Bynum
JR > Derek Fisher



Cleveland is stacked
Agenda obvious from first comparison.

[Springsteen]

**** you you curry stan you are a fake frontrunning bitch

Having a crisis of faith there buddy?

[warriorfan]

Having a crisis of faith there buddy?

having a rent free meltdown there fakkit? :roll:

[Springsteen]

having a rent free meltdown there fakkit? :roll:

You could throw another buzzword in there if you want. :D

You sure like batting for the Lakers though, huh...

Makes me wonder who you were rooting for when the Warriors sucked. :kobe:

[ImKobe]

There are 2 sides to the ball. Kyrie and KLove might score 20 ppg, but they are below average defenders and playmakers. Pau and Odom were far more versatile. It's also hard to outscore a guy like Kobe who jacks up 25+ shots per game.

lol what :biggums:

want to compare them same age?

Kobe 2010 Playoffs

29/6/6 22 FGA 57%TS

Lebron 2016 Playoffs

24/9/7 19 FGA 56%TS

Lebron last year averaged 27 FGA while averaging only 30 ppg on 49%TS

Kobe 2009 averaged 30 ppg on 56%TS while only taking 23 shots a game

who's the bigger chucker?

[riseagainst]

easily the Cavs

[TheImmortal]

Mosgov
http://s32.postimg.org/xpkvqrxxh/mozgov.png

Bynum
http://s32.postimg.org/4ljc8ommd/bynum.jpg

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif
Ether. :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

lol what :biggums:

want to compare them same age?

Kobe 2010 Playoffs

29/6/6 22 FGA 57%TS

Lebron 2016 Playoffs

24/9/7 19 FGA 56%TS

Lebron last year averaged 27 FGA while averaging only 30 ppg on 49%TS

Kobe 2009 averaged 30 ppg on 56%TS while only taking 23 shots a game

who's the bigger chucker?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bran stans getting owned in this thread lmao

[NBASTATMAN]

I'd argue Pau over Love man. Seriously. Imagine a prime Pau on this Cavs team? Whew.


Pau is much better than Love even now.. When you consider defense its a no brainer... Love does stretch out the floor more than Pau though but with PAU they would have a shot blocker and that would make them much harder to beat..

Defense is the CAVS problem no offense.. BTW THE LAKERS WERE STACKED but this Cavs team has more talent... But THIS CAVS team is going to have to beat either SPURS OR WARRIORS which are both better teams than even the 2009-2010 CHAMPION LAKERS...:rockon:


RECORD WITHOUT LEBRON 1-4 OR SO

RECORD WITHOUT KOBE AND BYNUM IN 2010 SOMETHING LIKE 6-2 AT ONE POINT OR SO..


PAU PROVED TO BE THE BEST PLAYER IN 2010 PLAYOFFS
KOBE WAS THE BEST IN 2009 PLAYOFFS

[Cold soul]

Lebron Cavs due to having better depth and better players, but Pau who was amazing #2 option to Kobe the fit was perfect to Kobe game. Gasol gets underrated here he's better than both Love and Kyrie.

[TheMarkMadsen]

PAU PROVED TO BE THE BEST PLAYER IN 2010 PLAYOFFS
KOBE WAS THE BEST IN 2009 PLAYOFFS

Ok troll.

I guess getting outscored by 10ppg in the playoffs by his teammate, and 14 ppg in certain series, while averaging less assist and steals than that same guy makes him the best player in the player in the playoffs :roll: :roll:

[G0ATbe]

Kobe never had a stacked team. Even when he had Shaq it was a 2 man wrecking crew, nowhere near stacked from top to bottom like this Cavs team is.