I'm the biggest Curry hater...but he will go down as the most dominant player EVER

[Fudge]

Dude is unguardable.

How do you even stop him?

Yes, more dominant than MJ. And yes, more dominant than prime Shaq. Steph Curry is a different animal.

[Inferno]

Love you, Fudgey.

[Bobcats2013]

glad you accepting it my mans:cheers:

[100grandman]

I'm a bigger Curry hater.....cuz I would never make a dumbass thread like this.

[hold this L]

Props for Fudge, respekk his name :pimp:

[ninephive]

Dude is unguardable.

How do you even stop him?

Yes, more dominant than MJ. And yes, more dominant than prime Shaq. Steph Curry is a different animal.
You stop him by guarding him. The Spurs did it in 2013 and sent him home. The Clippers did it in 2014 and sent him home in the first round of the playoffs. The guy has only won like 5 or 6 playoff series in his career, so it's not like he's that dominant in terms of winning in the playoffs.

[Inferno]

You stop him by guarding him. The Spurs did it in 2013 and sent him home. The Clippers did it in 2014 and sent him home in the first round of the playoffs. The guy has only won like 5 or 6 playoff series in his career, so it's not like he's that dominant in terms of winning in the playoffs.

Those were before he became the best in the league and you know it.

Also before Kerr.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

You stop him by guarding him. The Spurs did it in 2013 and sent him home. The Clippers did it in 2014 and sent him home in the first round of the playoffs. The guy has only won like 5 or 6 playoff series in his career, so it's not like he's that dominant in terms of winning in the playoffs.

Green will block his 3's again and take his soul like he did in the regular season. We will have our full squad this time for every game. Duncan, Diaw, etc. It's a WRAP. I can't wait to crush the little boy and his team so all these frauds disappear again for the rest of the off-season. #6 coming right up. Believe it.

:hammertime:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

95 melting down

[inclinerator]

on a stack team curry is unstoppable, on an average team he's not as good obviously

[riseagainst]

he is the best player in the world.
on pace to become the GOAT

[Spurs5Rings2014]

he is the best player in the world.
on pace to become the GOAT

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[riseagainst]

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are you talking about Aldridge and Kawhi's combined FG/attempts in the 4th quarter last night?

:roll:

[ninephive]

he is the best player in the world.
on pace to become the GOAT
At least let the guy have a prime Tony Parker level playoff game before we crown him the best ever.

[3ball]

more dominant than MJ



Jordan's 1991 was on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (ORtg), even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:



....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant..

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (while carrying the larger load on both ends)

[riseagainst]

At least let the guy have a prime Tony Parker level playoff game before we crown him the best ever.

not sure if srs.

:biggums:

[warriorfan]

are you talking about Aldridge and Kawhi's combined FG/attempts in the 4th quarter last night?

:roll:
:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

More dominant than MJ



Jordan was involved in MORE possessions for his team (usage), while producing more per-possession (ORtg) - he simply DID MORE:



1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% Usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% Usage.. 125 ORtg



Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg


Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (per possession efficiency)

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan was a ball hog.

[dh144498]

are you talking about Aldridge and Kawhi's combined FG/attempts in the 4th quarter last night?

:roll:


http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1512/15127450/2710130-0070144461-200x2.gif

savage...

[ninephive]

not sure if srs.

:biggums:
Well Parker would go for 40/12 on 65% in the playoffs. Let's at least see Curry put up more efficient games like that before we crown him the best ever.

[riseagainst]

Well Parker would go for 40/12 on 65% in the playoffs. Let's at least see Curry put up more efficient games like that before we crown him the best ever.

:roll:

[ImKobe]

lol at the hype after one game

mid-way he was 5/15 with 0-7 from three, last year's Finals against the Cavs his stats weren't anything special.

He went off on one of the worst defensive PGs in the game (Lillard) late in the 4th and OT after struggling with his shot...great ending but the "GOAT" hype is just ridiculous.

[3ball]

.
..........................................Hand-checking



Here's real hand-checking - it's harder to get off jumpers and drive against this kind of defense:



http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



The defense Curry and Lebron face is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l3972wjCJXPy5B9YI/giphy.gif



Here's real hand-checking again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



and flag football:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was MOST prevalent and effective at impeding the act of driving, which is specifically illegal in today's game (the gif below is a foul in today's game):


https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif



Compare to Steph Curry's unimpeded drive against Lebron - Lebron can't touch Curry to impede his drive or it's a a foul:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif

Here's more examples of hand-checking impeding a drive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif


NO COMPARISON

[riseagainst]

lol at the hype after one game

mid-way he was 5/15 with 0-7 from three, last year's Finals against the Cavs his stats weren't anything special.

He went off on one of the worst defensive PGs in the game (Lillard) late in the 4th and OT after struggling with his shot...great ending but the "GOAT" hype is just ridiculous.


That's last year. He is now twice the player he was last year.

[ninephive]

:roll:
2008 vs Phoenix G3: Parker 41 pts, 12 ast, 65% shooting.

2009 vs Dallas G2: Parker 38 pts, 8 ast, 73% shooting.

2009 vs Dallas G4: Parker 43 pts, 5 reb, 4 stl, 62% shooting.

2013 vs Memphis G4: Parker 37 pts, 6 ast, 4 reb, 71% shooting.

It's not like Parker hasn't had better nights than what Curry just had.

[SouBeachTalents]

.
..........................................Hand-checking



Here's real hand-checking - it's harder to get off jumpers and drive against this kind of defense:



http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



The defense Curry and Lebron face is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l3972wjCJXPy5B9YI/giphy.gif



Here's real hand-checking again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



and flag football:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was MOST prevalent and effective at impeding the act of driving, which is specifically illegal in today's game (the gif below is a foul in today's game):


https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif



Compare to Steph Curry's unimpeded drive against Lebron - Lebron can't touch Curry to impede his drive or it's a a foul:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif

Here's more examples of hand-checking impeding a drive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif


NO COMPARISON

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[To4]

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[Shih508]

Jordan's 1991 was on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (ORtg), even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:



....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant..

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (while carrying the larger load on both ends)

And Jordan played more minutes and games too. PER MIN efficiency dun tell the whole thing cuz

Joradn 10, Curry 9.5 at best

[knicksman]

Green will block his 3's again and take his soul like he did in the regular season. We will have our full squad this time for every game. Duncan, Diaw, etc. It's a WRAP. I can't wait to crush the little boy and his team so all these frauds disappear again for the rest of the off-season. #6 coming right up. Believe it.

:hammertime:

Your team cant even beat okc or clippers. Lol

[ninephive]

Your team cant even beat okc or clippers. Lol
We just beat OKC 2 years ago ya dork. And we haven't been down yet in this series. Are you alright?

[3ball]

More dominant than MJ



Jordan was involved in MORE possessions for his team (usage), while producing more per-possession (ORtg) - he simply DID MORE:



1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% Usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% Usage.. 125 ORtg



Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg


Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (per possession efficiency)






And Jordan played more minutes and games too. PER MIN efficiency dun tell the whole thing cuz

Joradn 10, Curry 9.5 at best


Curry is more efficient on a per SHOT basis, but Jordan was more efficient on a per POSSESSION basis (ortg), which is more important.

Jordan's higher per possession efficiency was due primarily to lower turnovers, but also because his superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) efficiency partially offset Curry's 3-point efficiency.







http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-30-2015/jkrR_v.gif


Curry spaces the floor


Jordan's spaces the floor more - when a dangerous rim attacker is on the floor, ALL defenders must cheat off their man (see Isiah Thomas above), which leaves 3-point shooters and other teammates more open than otherwise.. This is basketball 101.

Otoh, 3-point shooters only cause a single defender to hug them on the perimeter, which doesn't do shit BY ITSELF - it takes the entire Warrior team shooting 3-pointers TOGETHER to provide floor-spacing.

Essentially, 3-point shooters need teammates to help them space the floor, whereas a single rim attacker frees up teammates for open shots all by themselves, by forcing the entire defense to cheat off their man.
.

[ImKobe]

most dominant shooter maybe

question is, how many seasons can he maintain that high level of shooting? Jordan was the scoring champ for 10 seasons and averages 30 ppg for his career, this was the first year Curry averaged 30

and he isn't close to MJ's/Lebron's/Kobe's level of play on the defensive end

[knicksman]

We just beat OKC 2 years ago ya dork. And we haven't been down yet in this series. Are you alright?

Your team will be eliminated by okc bro. Deal with it.

Greatest spurs team eliminated in the 2nd round:oldlol:

[3ball]

most dominant shooter maybe

he isn't close to MJ's/Lebron's/Kobe's level of play on the defensive end

and the question is, how many seasons can he maintain that high level of shooting?

Jordan was the scoring champ for 10 seasons and averages 30 ppg for his career, this was the first year Curry averaged 30



Agreed.. Also, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor for him either - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.

So today's player benefits from teammates that space the floor and cause defenders to cover more ground - three-point shooters benefit the most from scrambling defenders, which is why 80% of today's 3-pointers (including Curry's) are "open" or "very open", as described on NBA.com's stats page (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12360926&postcount=37).

Otoh, Jordan achieved his stats WITHOUT teammates spreading the floor.. In today's spaced-out game, his stats would explode because he has the same (better) athleticism as Lebron/Westbrook, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), and Jordan could - he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43), which puts him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gives him a similarly massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron and Westbrook.
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[PP34Deuce]

Curry is the most dom8nant shooter ever. Ray Allen 3 levels up. Better handles and also on the best team to fit his skills.

Great game

[Marchesk]

Jordan has a 28.6 PER for his career playoffs. Let that sink in.

[Rocketswin2013]

Maybe the most unguardable. I don't think he was as good as Jordan, but it's close. Probably better than Shaq though.

[Draz]

Jordan's 1991 was on another level:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (ORtg), even though Curry's efficiency was boosted by carrying a smaller load on both sides of the ball:



....................PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <--- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2..... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 35.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 39.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)



Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (winning championship and FMVP), while carrying a bigger load on both ends, which makes efficiency arguments irrevelant..

Not that it matters - Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and points-per-possession (while carrying the larger load on both ends)
:bowdown:

[tmacattack33]

#tbeCurry

[tmacattack33]

Jordan was involved in MORE possessions for his team (usage), while producing more per-possession (ORtg) - he simply DID MORE:



1991 vs. 2016:



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 32.9% Usage.. 125 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 32.6% Usage.. 125 ORtg



Career



JORDAN REG SEASON:. 33.3% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 REG SEASON:4 26.9% Usage.. 117 ORtg

JORDAN PLAYOFFS:. 35.6% Usage.. 118 ORtg
CURRY4 PLAYOFFS:4 28.2% Usage.. 115 ORtg


Jordan gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (per possession efficiency)




Curry is more efficient on a per SHOT basis, but Jordan was more efficient on a per POSSESSION basis (ortg), which is more important.

Jordan's higher per possession efficiency was due primarily to lower turnovers, but also because his superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713011&postcount=43) efficiency partially offset Curry's 3-point efficiency.




Jordan's spaces the floor more - when a dangerous rim attacker is on the floor, ALL defenders must cheat off their man (see Isiah Thomas above), which leaves 3-point shooters and other teammates more open than otherwise.. This is basketball 101.

Otoh, 3-point shooters only cause a single defender to hug them on the perimeter, which doesn't do shit BY ITSELF - it takes the entire Warrior team shooting 3-pointers TOGETHER to provide floor-spacing.

Essentially, 3-point shooters need teammates to help them space the floor, whereas a single rim attacker frees up teammates for open shots all by themselves, by forcing the entire defense to cheat off their man.
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:oldlol:

Curry is going to overtake MJ for the most dominant ever title.

Deal with it.

[golden24boy]

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