Barkley: How long would Curry last against the bad boys

[Straight_Ballin]

Shots fired. Everyone on TNT shitting on current era. :lol

[PickernRoller]

How long would he?

Ringless ****er who got knocked down by the guy he shares a table with everyday at work. Bitch made.

[inclinerator]

with a stack team? a full season

a mediocre team, half a season

[bigkingsfan]

He would shoot over them all day. No prob.

[T_L_P]

He'd murk them. End of story.

[Proctor]

Problem with Curry is he would be pulling up from 94ft before anyone could put a body on him. :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

How long would he?

Ringless ****er who got knocked down by the guy he shares a table with everyday at work. Bitch made.

You just invoked RoundMoundOfRebound. :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Who knows bro. Jordan didn't last very long the first time

[imdaman99]

I think he would be fine. Dude is the best shooter in the world, I'm sure his teammates can set picks to get the dudes draped all over him off of him. Not a big deal. Somebody said he would have a McHale type player on his team. He would still be good. Dunno about the best in the league with MJ in the league as well.

[NBAGOAT]

bad boys like most teams in the 80's had no idea how to deal with 3 pt shooting. It's why the Knicks went 4-0 vs them in 89 and Rick Pitino thought the Knicks could've beaten the Pistons if they had gotten past MJ.

[Bankaii]

A bunch of salty old guys. One is ringless and the other is a role player.
Current Warriors would be just as good if not better in the 90s.
And Curry would murk the league still.

[TheMarkMadsen]

What are they going to do? Punch and grab him at the 3pt line.

These old dudes are out of their mind.

Somebody remind them that Price (a 6 foot white dude) was putting up 20/10 during that era.

Mugsy Bouges played how many years in that era?

John Stockton?

[NBAGOAT]

A bunch of salty old guys. One is ringless and the other is a role player.
Current Warriors would be just as good if not better in the 90s.
And Curry would murk the league still.

I'm pretty sure Kenny Smith disagreed with him. He called Curry the Jordan of our generation.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm pretty sure Kenny Smith disagreed with him. He called Curry the Jordan of our generation.


No, Kenny actually said something along the lines of Curry might still be good in that era.

These dudes are out of their minds. There were 6 foot white guys averaging 20/10 in that era

[ClipperRevival]

Let's not twist his words. Barkley and Kenny was still showing respect for today's era but they LIVED the era of physicality and rough play. It was a part of the game. That's the game they knew and that's the game I grew up on and experienced first hand. You can't sit there with a straight face and say perimeter players today don't have it easier. It's simply a fact. And I ain't no old dude being bitter. I still ball on the regular today and still love the game. Love competing against the young legs. But truth is truth.

[NBAGOAT]

No, Kenny actually said something along the lines of Curry might still be good in that era.

These dudes are out of their minds. There were 6 foot white guys averaging 20/10 in that era

oh surprising from him. It's always normal for guys to prop up there own era but I agree with you. If Mark Price could be an all nba guy, it would np for curry to be best pg of that era.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Let's not twist his words. Barkley and Kenny was still showing respect for today's era but they LIVED the era of physicality and rough play. It was a part of the game. That's the game they knew and that's the game I grew up on and experienced first hand. You can't sit there with a straight face and say perimeter players today don't have it easier. It's simply a fact. And I ain't no old dude being bitter. I still ball on the regular today and still love the game. Love competing against the young legs. But truth is truth.


These dudes talking about an era where 5 foot 5 point guards were starters and 6 foot white dudes were some of the best point guards in the league.

[ClipperRevival]

oh surprising from him. It's always normal for guys to prop up there own era but I agree with you. If Mark Price could be an all nba guy, it would np for curry to be best pg of that era.

And you can counter midget Barea guarded LeBron or Nash won 2 mvps. Singling out individual players to prove how strong or weak an era is weak.

[TheMarkMadsen]

oh surprising from him. It's always normal for guys to prop up there own era but I agree with you. If Mark Price could be an all nba guy, it would np for curry to be best pg of that era.

Exactly, Barkely was showing love but Kenny was acting like Steph might not be great in that era.

Price is an excellent example of a guy who if he was playing today, they'd say he couldn't play back then.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

These dudes talking about an era where 5 foot 5 point guards were starters and 6 foot white dudes were some of the best point guards in the league.

Uhhh, Mark Price and John Stockton were actually REALLY good players. Physical as well.

Why their skin color has any relevance is beyond me... Steve Nash won b2b MVP's when peak Kobe was in the league. :confusedshrug:

[Im Still Ballin]

He would last 12 quarters.

3 for each game

SWEEP

[ClipperRevival]

Exactly, Barkely was showing love but Kenny was acting like Steph might not be great in that era.

Price is an excellent example of a guy who if he was playing today, they'd say he couldn't play back then.

Please. Kenny didn't say that. He was just saying a guy like Curry would have a tougher time back in the day. And that is simply the truth. Yes, he would still be a truly special player but not as devastating as he is today given the soft rules. If you disagree, I would say you never really played and/or know the game at its essence.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Uhhh, Mark Price and John Stockton were actually REALLY good players. Physical as well.

Why their skin color has any relevance is beyond me... Steve Nash won b2b MVP's when peak Kobe was in the league. :confusedshrug:

If guys like Price & Stockton can be first team all nba players during that era then what would stop Curry (who is on a complete different level than both of these guys) from having success as well?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If guys like Price & Stockton can be first team all nba players during that era then what would stop Curry (who is on a complete different level than both of these guys) from having success as well?

Nobody said Curry wouldn't be able to play in that era.

All they suggested (or Barkley rather) was that Detroit would make it tougher on Curry because of their physical play.

There's nothing wrong with that assessment. Why are people acting like its some crazy ass opinion? :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Please. Kenny didn't say that. He was just saying a guy like Curry would have a tougher time back in the day. And that is simply the truth. Yes, he would still be a truly special player but not as devastating as he is today given the soft rules. If you disagree, I would say you never really played and/or know the game at its essence.

Yes, Kenny insinuated that Curry would be ok in that era.

Not as devastating? LMAO can you imagine Curry playing in the mid 90's with a shortened 3pt line? Do you need to go watch highlights of Chris Jackson playing the same style as Curry in the 90's and having success with like half the skill of Steph?

What are they going to do about Curry pulling up from 35 feet on the reg and cashing in threes? You guys are waaayyyy too nostalgic.

There were guys in that era who were first team all nba players who aren't even on the same level as Curry and were shorter, smaller, less athletic.

If you put Curry in the 90's teams seriously wouldn't even know what to do. What are the bad boy Piston's going to do about a guy chucking up 35 foot shots at a 47% clip?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nobody said Curry wouldn't be able to play in that era.

All they suggested (or Barkley rather) was that Detroit would make it tougher on Curry because of their physical play.

There's nothing wrong with that assessment. Why are people acting like its some crazy ass opinion? :oldlol:


were you even watching TNT? Barkley asked the question and Kenny laughed him off and then went on a rant about how Curry wouldn't be nearly as good. Chuck was pretty neuteral and was giving props to Steph

[TheMarkMadsen]

Chris Jackson in 96 shot five threes per game, at 39%, averaged 19/7 and was 6'1 and like 150 pounds.

Chris Jackson played Curry's style, except he wasn't nearly as good, didn't have the same handles, etc, etc.

If Chris Jackson can put up 20 a game in 96, while playing a very similar style to Curry, then what is stopping Steph from averaging 30ppg as a better player, playing the same style, with a shorter 3pt line :oldlol: :oldlol:

[greymatter]

Shooters don't put themselves into the position of taking hard fouls. If they drive into the paint, they're far more likely to toss up floaters or high arcing layups.

Dell Curry and Reggie Miller had nice long, mostly injury free careers and rarely took hard fouls. No reason to think Steph wouldn't shit all over the illegal defense era where the league average was 110ppg at 48-49FG%.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

were you even watching TNT? Barkley asked the question and Kenny laughed him off and then went on a rant about how Curry wouldn't be nearly as good. Chuck was pretty neuteral and was giving props to Steph

Once again, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong w/ suggesting Curry wouldn't be as effective against tougher resistance.

:confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Here's Jackson dropping 32 on the 96 bulls while playing Steph's style, being guarded by MJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiCpet86WRQ


but yeah, somebody who is twice the player Jackson was couldn't do this during the same era :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[NBAGOAT]

Once again, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong w/ suggesting Curry wouldn't be as effective against tougher resistance.

:confusedshrug:

sure but it be nice to acknowledge but it be tougher for post up guys today like Barkley because of illegal defense stuff.

[ShawkFactory]

Let's not twist his words. Barkley and Kenny was still showing respect for today's era but they LIVED the era of physicality and rough play. It was a part of the game. That's the game they knew and that's the game I grew up on and experienced first hand. You can't sit there with a straight face and say perimeter players today don't have it easier. It's simply a fact. And I ain't no old dude being bitter. I still ball on the regular today and still love the game. Love competing against the young legs. But truth is truth.
Are the older guys more talented though? If steph grew up and was molded in an environment where people could hold him things would be different for sure.

But talent transcends eras. Always. A guy hitting threes from that deep at such a rate? Would flip teams from the 70s, 80s, 90s, whenever on their ass.

[oh the horror]

Yes, Kenny insinuated that Curry would be ok in that era.

Not as devastating? LMAO can you imagine Curry playing in the mid 90's with a shortened 3pt line? Do you need to go watch highlights of Chris Jackson playing the same style as Curry in the 90's and having success with like half the skill of Steph?

What are they going to do about Curry pulling up from 35 feet on the reg and cashing in threes? You guys are waaayyyy too nostalgic.

There were guys in that era who were first team all nba players who aren't even on the same level as Curry and were shorter, smaller, less athletic.

If you put Curry in the 90's teams seriously wouldn't even know what to do. What are the bad boy Piston's going to do about a guy chucking up 35 foot shots at a 47% clip?



Sorry to crush your ego son but I have to.


You talk about Curry "pulling up" - the thing is in an older era there was a reason cats used to cross the half court like backing the ball in. You didn't just "pull up" with defenders hands all over you and in your face.


Curry doesn't get the same freedoms he does today to openly dribble around and launch up uncontested shots.



Don't lie to yourself and take a nap.

[oh the horror]

Are the older guys more talented though? If steph grew up and was molded in an environment where people could hold him things would be different for sure.

But talent transcends eras. Always. A guy hitting threes from that deep at such a rate? Would flip teams from the 70s, 80s, 90s, whenever on their ass.



Sure. Talent *can* transcend eras but like Kenny said when presented with "is steph better than Mike?" He said "no but hell no"


An era where Mike can openly do whatever he'd like as a wing player?


Yo you dudes can keep arguing the good fight and claim whatever but we have seen eras that were more physical. Those are facts.


Curry would be still great but he wouldn't be what you see him as today. It just wouldn't happen.



The freedom these perimeter players have now is unreal

[Straight_Ballin]

Those who have watched both eras know what's up. :cheers:

[NBAGOAT]

Sorry to crush your ego son but I have to.


You talk about Curry "pulling up" - the thing is in an older era there was a reason cats used to cross the half court like backing the ball in. You didn't just "pull up" with defenders hands all over you and in your face.


Curry doesn't get the same freedoms he does today to openly dribble around and launch up uncontested shots.



Don't lie to yourself and take a nap.

that is true but one reason for that besides handchecking is teams set a lot more screens nowadays to free guards up. One way teams deal with that type of pressure today is setting a screen at half court. If Curry played for a coach who used a 90's offense, his numbers could definitely fall off (even though he still have np being one of the best pg's in the league). Some coach would most likely make him take more midrange 2's and less 3's than he should. If you put Steve Kerr in that time machine too and made him the coach, I think his numbers wouldn't fall off that much at all.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sorry to crush your ego son but I have to.


You talk about Curry "pulling up" - the thing is in an older era there was a reason cats used to cross the half court like backing the ball in. You didn't just "pull up" with defenders hands all over you and in your face.


Curry doesn't get the same freedoms he does today to openly dribble around and launch up uncontested shots.



Don't lie to yourself and take a nap.


ok..


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wow how does he get it up the court without getting killed by that physicality??

http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-11-2016/s3zjH5.gif

Pretty sure that I've seen Steph do this 1,000 times, BTW this was called a foul on Jordan.. I thought you had to get stabbed to get the foul call..

http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-11-2016/yyrH1V.gif

So yeah guess you got me there, Curry's style of play wouldn't work in the Jordan era. :oldlol: :oldlol:


Look at that, Chris Jackson dropping 32 on the 96 bulls and pulling up jumpers with Jordan in his face, scoring off high screens.. yeah... ok.. Curry couldn't do that in the same era...

[oh the horror]

Hey everyone he found some clips!



Stop bro :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hey everyone he found some clips!



Stop bro :oldlol:

Kid is showing his age. Go easy on the young buck. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hey everyone he found some clips!



Stop bro :oldlol:

that's how Jackson played every single game :oldlol: :oldlol:

that was his style of play, and there he is doing it against what used to be the GOAT team and against on of the GOAT defenders of all time..

but yeah, those high screens and pull up j's wouldn't work for Curry

if you are such a big 90's fan, you would know that Jackson played an extremely similar style to Curry, only difference being Curry is 10x better

that guy averaged 20/8 playing that style..

[sportjames23]

Let's not twist his words. Barkley and Kenny was still showing respect for today's era but they LIVED the era of physicality and rough play. It was a part of the game. That's the game they knew and that's the game I grew up on and experienced first hand. You can't sit there with a straight face and say perimeter players today don't have it easier. It's simply a fact. And I ain't no old dude being bitter. I still ball on the regular today and still love the game. Love competing against the young legs. But truth is truth.


This. These little boys mad because a legend is letting them know how soft this era is.

[TheMarkMadsen]

wait, are these dudes trying to act like Jackson didn't have the same play style as Curry?

lmao these dudes are in straight denial.

[34-24 Footwork]

Players with Jumpshots and have the ability to shoot off the dribble would thrive in the 90's.

The physicality of that era would have me skeptical of some though.

[warriorfan]

ok..


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wow how does he get it up the court without getting killed by that physicality??

http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-11-2016/s3zjH5.gif

Pretty sure that I've seen Steph do this 1,000 times, BTW this was called a foul on Jordan.. I thought you had to get stabbed to get the foul call..

http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-11-2016/yyrH1V.gif

So yeah guess you got me there, Curry's style of play wouldn't work in the Jordan era. :oldlol: :oldlol:


Look at that, Chris Jackson dropping 32 on the 96 bulls and pulling up jumpers with Jordan in his face, scoring off high screens.. yeah... ok.. Curry couldn't do that in the same era...

sleep tight pupper

[ShawkFactory]

Sure. Talent *can* transcend eras but like Kenny said when presented with "is steph better than Mike?" He said "no but hell no"


An era where Mike can openly do whatever he'd like as a wing player?


Yo you dudes can keep arguing the good fight and claim whatever but we have seen eras that were more physical. Those are facts.


Curry would be still great but he wouldn't be what you see him as today. It just wouldn't happen.



The freedom these perimeter players have now is unreal
Thing is... Mike was also a transcendent talent, obviously. The ultimate talent.

No one is saying steph is that talented. Or that good.

Would he be Mike? No. No one would. Not now or ever in basketball history.

The rules are the rules. And talented players are talented players. Mike combined everything in his game. Would he be better now? I don't think so. Would he still win 6 championships in a row? Yea probably. But he could do that in any era.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You didn't just "pull up" with defenders hands all over you and in your face.


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GEE where have we seen these double high screens in todays game (Hint: Goldenstate)

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again, here's another routine play that Curry makes every single game. This was called a foul on Harper.

http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-11-2016/iedHOV.gif

but yeah, lets just keep acting like Currys style wouldn't be just as successful back in the day.

All that hand checking didn't stop 6'1, 150 pound Chris Jackson from dropping 20/7 in that same league and Jackson wasn't nearly as good as Curry

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Here comes the old timers overrating past eras again.
I forgot in the 80s/90s it was required that each player bring a bat to every game to use on anyone that drove to the basket.

Dudes got away with murder back then. The physicality:eek:

[warriorfan]

handchecking curry is awful to do while curry has the ball

you can't get close enough and commit your balance to putting your hands on curry...he will put you on skates and go right around you. you need to give yourself a little breathing room so you don't get chris paul'd and then be lighting fast on the contest and pray for the best

it's totally insane to think that curry wouldn't be able to do what he would in the 90's...he would score more, especially with a shortened 3 point line

[Dbrog]

Madsen exposing what the 90s was really like instead of what all these kids think it was like. Yall are fools if you think Curry, one of the best iso guards ever, would do worse in a league where players are FORCED to play 1 on 1 due to illegal defense. Curry would be unstoppable cause his main move is the stepback (which handchecking doesn't affect) not to mention his superior handle. Curry is often pulling these moves on TWO defenders nowadays, why the crap yall think he wouldn't torch one defender?

[34-24 Footwork]

Mark Madsen with the easy ether on the 3rd page.

They have no rational response.

Curry would GET BUCKETS in the 90's. Anybody would watched basketball from '89-present knows what up.

[keep-itreal]

He would still be great. You just adapt to the environment and still do what he does best, shoot the ball

[plowking]

Basketball is better today. Madsen covered the main points.

Curry would be even better.

The problem the guys have on the panel is, they aren't used to a baby face, average sized guy making the league look stupid. So then they begin to assume. They assume the league clearly isn't that good anymore, and that players must be worse. They had no problem calling Kobe or Bron as good as MJ. They had no problem marvelling at Durant, his epic wingspan, shooting and build. But then a fresh faced, 6'3, slight looking PG comes through and makes it look easy. Must be because it is? Wrong. He is just that good.

[tpols]

90s guys at it again w/ their lies ...

lets look at the opening clip from the 1989 Finals

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5-2yqCD2-M&t=3m57s)

Lakers win the tip and magic slowly jogs it up to the 3 pt line. Defender doesnt touch him at all and allows an easy entry pass to Kareem, where Bill Lambier is called for a little touch foul denying the pass.


Next play, Isaih Thomas gets the ball and semi transition and runs right up the court, to the 3 pt line w/ not a single finger placed on him. Defender sags into near paint area and he hits a midrange J w/o ever having been touched.


Next play, magic waltz's up to the same exact spot he went after the tip, no resistance, and throws a pass to worthy in the same spot kareem caught it where james scores on a turnaround.


and so on ....


Every play off a made basket, Magic or Isaih Thomas just jogging it up the court, being met by a defender inside the 3 pt line. On misses both are running wild right up the court, with all defenders crowding the paint, inside the 3 pt line ...

where is the full court press muggings we constantly hear about ?

They exist in spurts, in moments of desperation once in a while, but go checking out these older games, its the same thing as now. For 90% of the game, teams are just walking it up the court to start their offense, and back then theyre all inside the line w/o a finger placed.

[Chadwin]

Let's not twist his words. Barkley and Kenny was still showing respect for today's era but they LIVED the era of physicality and rough play. It was a part of the game. That's the game they knew and that's the game I grew up on and experienced first hand. You can't sit there with a straight face and say perimeter players today don't have it easier. It's simply a fact. And I ain't no old dude being bitter. I still ball on the regular today and still love the game. Love competing against the young legs. But truth is truth.

Here's McCollum staying in front of Curry:
https://vine.co/v/iQYMxZV6XjK

Now replace him with prime Jordan or Pippen and add handchecking.

[Showtime80']

Jesus Christ talk about overgeneralizing a 5 minute clip by a snot nosed millennial!!!

First of all the 1989 Pistons were the SLOWEST PACED team in the NBA during that season while the Lakers were dealing with the injury to Byron Scott just before game 1 and Kareem running on fumes at 42 years old. The focus of the offenses of that era specially with these two teams was THE PAINT!!! Not jacking up contested 3 point shots like Lillard and Curry like to do, Center and forward post ups for the Lakers and guard penetration for mid range and layups for the Pistons, simple and efficient. The Lakers without Scott were handcuffed in dealing with the onslaught of the 3 headed guard monster of Isiah, Dumars and the Microwave so they sure as hell were not going to tire out Magic and Coop on defense playing full court.

If you really want to see EVERYTHING that is missing from today's NBA, take the time in your short attention span existence to watch the ENTIRE game 7 of the 1988 WCF between A HEALTHY Lakers and Mavs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKbOC8qu19A

This game has EVERYTHING!!! Physical, tough and aggressive man to man defense sometimes trapping, smart methodical half court execution, excellent post up, mid range and fast break play, SUPERSTAR PLAYERS knowing and executing their role to perfection, timely 3 point shooting within the flow of the offense etc... Both offenses flowed inside-out which made them quick hitting instead of having guards trying to beat defenses 30 feet away from the basket dribbling the air out of the ball to finally jack up a contested 25 footer!!!

Count how many DUMB BAD SHOTS were taken in that game 7! The PG play was IMPECABLE!!! Put Russell Westbrick and Damien Lillard in that game and they don't last 5 minutes with the dumb as! decisions they make on a consistent basis.

People are missing the point when putting Curry in the 80's era, his 3 point shot would still be there and he would probably nail a good percentage of them although he would deal with much more resistance. Where he would suffer TREMENDOUSLY is driving to the hoop!!! A lot of Curry's damage against the Blazers was done in the painted area virtually walking with a red carped underneath him towards the basket without A SINGLE HARD FOUL!!!!

Do you honestly think Curry would have the same looks in the 80's crowded painted area with NO FLAGRANT FOUL RULE and real big men ready to put you on your arse!?!?!

Like I said in another thread, put Curry in place of Jordan on the 89' Bulls, do they even win a QUARTER against the Bad Boy Pistons in the EFC?!?! Be honest with yourselves!

[sd3035]

defense was soft as hell in the late 80s

[tpols]

defense was soft as hell in the late 80s

it wasnt soft, but defenses didnt play the same way.


just watched your mavs lakers link.


and the whole clip, all 5 defenders sagged a few feet inside the 3 pt line ...

offenses just doing a lot of prodding, and posting, not even thinking about taking a pull up shot near the 3 pt line unless that whole side of the court is cleared out by someone else's penetration.

Defenses back then never saw anyone with Curry's combo of range and willingness to take such shots from range. He would look like an alien on that court, busting shots on these guys.

[tpols]

and curry's penetration is made for by his range and ability there .. its easier to catch and hit a guy when youre already sagging into the paint before he even dribbles but what about when he drags you out 30 feet and is using his PF like an o-line man to shake free, now you have problems.



you had little 6'0 170 lb delladova looking dudes running around the court averaging 20/10 in the 80s.. steph Curry is 6'3 190.. he's not as small as people make him out to be.

[Showtime80']

The defense is the SOFTEST it has ever been NOW!!! Thanks to all the rule changes and handcuffing defenders. Even Dwight Howard admitted yesterday the rules have become softer and limit what defenses can do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9_PZ4dbSHU

This is probably the best center for the past 10 years in the NBA which shows you how pathetic that position has become in itself.

Curry can shoot all the 30 foot shots he wants in the late 80's tpol, back then teams were NOT going to commit double teams 20+ feet away from the basket, he would be guarded very tightly man on man with handchecking by guys like Pippen, Rodman, Dumars, Robertson, Moncrief, DJ, Cooper, Cheeks, Wilkins, Jordan etc... and would have at least 3 guys ready to put him on his as! if he ever got into the painted area!!!

Not to mention he would have to bust his little as! off guarding the REAL GOLDEN AGE OF PG'S like Magic, Stockton, Price, KJ, Isiah, Jackson, Rivers, Harper, Cheeks, DJ, Floyd, Lever etc...

[90sgoat]

Curry wouldn't even get the ball up court without being called for carry.

Literally each and every one of Curry's fancy dribbles would be called carry.

Here is Allen Iverson getting called for a way less obvious carry than what players get away with today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMbhTj8HcU

Yep kids, that a carry, a carry, a carry, all your little And-1 guys would get called for carry every time.

[90sgoat]

It's funny that if it was so easy shooting off the dribble in the 90s, if it was so successful why didn't Mark Price (50/40/90) or Chris win it all?

On those clips it looks Bulls are quite content to let him have those shots.

Watch the first couple of minutes of this game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9u3TwLdgoM

[Showtime80']

LOL!!! Two time modern era MVP shaggy haired Beetle looking Steve Nash would've been coming OFF THE BENCH for every title winning team in the 80's!!!

Even Steve Kerr admitted that before the rule changes guys like Nash and Curry would've had A LOT MORE TROUBLE!

[90sgoat]

I giffed it for you fukkers:

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That's 1st quarter btw.

More:

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[Da_Realist]

Nobody can guard unguardable shots. The biggest difference would be the lack of easy layups guys get today against set half court defenses. To waltz in the lane against a set halfcourt defense and get a layup untouched? That was unheard of back then! Happens every single game now muliple times, even in the playoffs. There is no deterrent in the lane today. A few fancy dribbles and someone is getting a layup or a dunk untouched. It happened some back then but guys like Isiah Thomas, KJ and MJ paid a price for it. Those easy layups today would turn into floaters amd midrange jumpshots or passes back out to restart the offense.

Sure Chris Jackson made some unbelievable shots but he wasn't waltzing into the lane getting easy layups to pad his scoring numbers on the regular. When he did go, he had to dunk over someone and/or got knocked back. Count the number of easy layups guys are getting against supposed set halfcourt defenses and you'll see what I'm talking about.

The clips shown are from a game the Bulls didn't wake up to play until the third quarter. They were down by 31 points at one point. That's not the typical defense the Bulls put out there and it certainly isn't the playoff intensity defense they were capable of.

[tpols]

LOL!!! Two time modern era MVP shaggy haired Beetle looking Steve Nash would've been coming OFF THE BENCH for every title winning team in the 80's!!!

Even Steve Kerr admitted that before the rule changes guys like Nash and Curry would've had A LOT MORE TROUBLE!

speaking of the beatles ...

this 5'11 165 lb guy right here was one of the best point guards of the 80s and 90s lol


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3f/a8/03/3fa803d9675ed599b8300b32d65c5a5b.jpg



:yaohappy:

[Dro]

Chris Jackson in 96 shot five threes per game, at 39%, averaged 19/7 and was 6'1 and like 150 pounds.

Chris Jackson played Curry's style, except he wasn't nearly as good, didn't have the same handles, etc, etc.

If Chris Jackson can put up 20 a game in 96, while playing a very similar style to Curry, then what is stopping Steph from averaging 30ppg as a better player, playing the same style, with a shorter 3pt line :oldlol: :oldlol:
The game is not played in a vaccum you know....

[90sgoat]

speaking of the beatles ...

this 5'11 165 lb guy right here was one of the best point guards of the 80s and 90s lol


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3f/a8/03/3fa803d9675ed599b8300b32d65c5a5b.jpg



:yaohappy:

You're a moron, Stockton would beat up Lebron without breaking a sweat.

Stockton not only dominated the 80s and the 90s in he put 11/8/2 shooting 48% (year before shot 51%) in his last season in 2003 at 40 years old!

That was BEFORE the rule changes.

What a stupid kid you are!

A 40 year old 6-1 point guard gets 11/8 with 2 steals pr game shooting 50% from the field.

Wow! Either Stockton is an all time great or the 00s were just crap.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

speaking of the beatles ...

this 5'11 165 lb guy right here was one of the best point guards of the 80s and 90s lol


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3f/a8/03/3fa803d9675ed599b8300b32d65c5a5b.jpg



:yaohappy:

Yeah, but he wasn't winning b2b MVP's in the 90's either. Pretty big difference. :lol

@Da Realist - good post brother; you hit the nail on the head. Nobody is saying Curry wouldn't be a superstar, just that being allowed to put your hands on him (especially before 1995 where they adjusted the handcheck rule) would help contain him some.


LOL!!! Two time modern era MVP shaggy haired Beetle looking Steve Nash would've been coming OFF THE BENCH for every title winning team in the 80's!!!

Even Steve Kerr admitted that before the rule changes guys like Nash and Curry would've had A LOT MORE TROUBLE!

When did Kerr mention this? I've seen another poster say something similar, but could never find anything about it. :confusedshrug:

[CarlosBoozer]

Curry will have no problem offensively, but will his body be able to handle all that physicality? He has a very fragile body tbh.

[tpols]

You're a moron, Stockton would beat up Lebron without breaking a sweat.

Stockton not only dominated the 80s and the 90s in he put 11/8/2 shooting 48% (year before shot 51%) in his last season in 2003 at 40 years old!

That was BEFORE the rule changes.

What a stupid kid you are!

A 40 year old 6-1 point guard gets 11/8 with 2 steals pr game shooting 50% from the field.

Wow! Either Stockton is an all time great or the 00s were just crap.

you completely miss the point.

the point is this 80s clown is constantly going on about Curry getting hurt if he played back then, meanwhile these little guys were not only surviving the era, but even flourishing with less of an outside game than Curry (and more of an inside one).

So what you guys are saying about curry just getting HARD FOULED :eek: , is just bullshit.

But you're the guy who just argued Curry wouldnt be able to dribble up the court without getting called for a travel .. so I already know what I'm dealing with here.

[90sgoat]

you completely miss the point.

the point is this 80s clown is constantly going on about Curry getting hurt if he played back then, meanwhile these little guys were not only surviving the era, but even flourishing with less of an outside game than Curry (and more of an inside one).

So what you guys are saying about curry just getting HARD FOULED :eek: , is just bullshit.

But you're the guy who just argued Curry wouldnt be able to dribble up the court without getting called for a travel .. so I already know what I'm dealing with here.

You're a fool and most likely a racist.

Stockton was tough as nails, 6-1, not some little guy, he'd whoop your ass without breaking a sweat.

Watch this video, it is only 2 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLBKarWoeM

Stockton gets an elbow to the face on offense, doesn't flinch, then runs back, gets into a clich with D-Rob and THROWS him to the floor like nothing.

Here is the kind of shit, Stockton was dealing with and Curry would be dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMO0ceMh8I

That was a one game suspension only by the way.

[Blue&Orange]

Look at that, Chris Jackson dropping 32 on the 96 bulls and pulling up jumpers with Jordan in his face, scoring off high screens.. yeah... ok.. Curry couldn't do that in the same era...
Shut this thread, shut insidehoops, 3 gifs of 5 seconds!!

Today,

Perimeter players jump into their defenders and go to the FT line :lol

Perimeter players today as soon as their defenders raise their hands, throw their arms against them and go to the FT :lol Theres a guy that say hands down man down, outdated catchphrase.

Perimeter players can't be touched let alone bumped on their way to the basket. :lol

Perimeter players got moving screens at their disposal :roll:

Perimeter players got 10 lane highways to the basket thanks to spacing :lol


Curry would score 30ppg in the 90's? The only reason he isn't scoring 40ppg now is because he only played two quarters during regular season.

I don't get the MArk Price hate, other than you are clueless, he would be a top5 pg today... if crap like Lowrly can be.

[StrongLurk]

it wasnt soft, but defenses didnt play the same way.


just watched your mavs lakers link.


and the whole clip, all 5 defenders sagged a few feet inside the 3 pt line ...

offenses just doing a lot of prodding, and posting, not even thinking about taking a pull up shot near the 3 pt line unless that whole side of the court is cleared out by someone else's penetration.

Defenses back then never saw anyone with Curry's combo of range and willingness to take such shots from range. He would look like an alien on that court, busting shots on these guys.

This is what my dad says all the time. Back then you could have two or three players open at the three point line yet they would spend two or three seconds still trying to throw an entry pass into the post.

My dad also thinks the game is MORE physical and athletic now.

I agree with him.

[90sgoat]

This is what my dad says all the time. Back then you could have two or three players open at the three point line yet they would spend two or three seconds still trying to throw an entry pass into the post.

My dad also thinks the game is MORE physical and athletic now.

I agree with him.

Your dad has a bad memory, sorry bro, but that's a joke of an opinion.

[aj1987]

Basketball... the only sport where the older eras are always better than the current one. FOH! Curry would make MJ permanently retire instead of for 2 seasons. Would unquestionably be a perennial MVP candidate.

[Norcaliblunt]

How long would the Bad Boys last without being allowed to act like goons? Do those Detroit teams win in this era?

Also with the old rules is it possible for this Warrior team to play rough and rugged with Green and Bogut being hard nosed defensive enforcers bodying players?

[Showtime80']

Yea when you have Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McHale, Parish, Bird, Olajuwon, Ewing, Malone etc... posting up ANY TEAM would be wise to give any of them the ball 20+ times because they are not only getting very high percentage shots but also have more opportunity to get the defensive player in foul trouble than a guy jacking up 3 pointers!

Today's NBA just doesn't have those type of dominant COMMITTED low post players and even LESS PG's willing to feed the post on a consistent basis even if they had a dominant center because they are focusing on scoring themselves!

People fail to realize a little detail in the 3>2 argument and that's why A LOT of teams are STILL struggling to score 100+ points in a game. Modern teams HAVE TO TAKE three pointers because:

A) The rules encourage small guards to shoot them because of the softness in perimeter defense.
B) The dominant low post Centers and true pass first PG's that could get easy and quick baskets both on the half court and fast break are basically EXTINT!!!

The NBA now is a dumbed down, fundamentally flawed, facebook buddy exhibition between a bunch of RAW ATHLETES that are taking longer to develop than EVER BEFORE thanks to the AAU crap development these kids are going through since they are in grade school.

The 80's NBA was for DEVELOPED MEN, not raw athletic children!

[Hey Yo]

LOL!!! Two time modern era MVP shaggy haired Beetle looking Steve Nash would've been coming OFF THE BENCH for every title winning team in the 80's!!!

Even Steve Kerr admitted that before the rule changes guys like Nash and Curry would've had A LOT MORE TROUBLE!
Nash >>>> DJ

[Dro]

wait, are these dudes trying to act like Jackson didn't have the same play style as Curry?

lmao these dudes are in straight denial.
So let me get this straight. You post gifs of guys walking the ball up the court because there's no reason to guard them because they don't have Steph's range.

Well guess what, if Steph was out there, he would not be walking the ball up the court unguarded. What kind of logic are you using?

They would guard him whatever way is necessary to guard him. PERIOD.

So the Pistons are going to allow Steph to walk the ball up the court because they allowed Magic to do it? Magic can't shoot out to 30 feet, why guard him out there?

Your logic is terrible, I'm sorry it is. If a guy like Steph is playing back then, best believe Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or whoever would adjust to it and the rules would allow them to.

So AGAIN, Steph is Steph, he's not the Steph of today though.

Also, how do you magically transport players back to the past eras without accounting for the change in mentality and the way the game.

We talk about how guys weren't brought up with that mentality. Guys stand at the 3 point line, unguarded and still try to force entry passes...

Well Steph would be brough up in the same era his dad was and yes, his dad shoot constantly and I do mean constantly, he still was playing in a structured style pretty much. I don't know if Steph would even have the freedom to play like he does now. Its not even so much about his talent, yes many of his moves would be called carry, but he's ball handling ability is great enough that he would just do different moves. And honestly, a lot of his stuff is more legal than most guys playing today tbh, including Kyrie.

But even Steph comes along and changes the game in the 90's, teams would adjust, they WOULD guard him basically half the court because they'd have to. Moving screens and stuff are definitely illegal back then.

I dunno, it would just be different.

The teams he's going against playing more inside out, more slow tempo, more fouls, more dominant inside players, its just not as free flowing where your opponent is launching 3's leading to easy run outs and wide open shots. Its just a different game...

[tpols]

Here is the kind of shit, Stockton was dealing with and Curry would be dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMO0ceMh8I

That was a one game suspension only by the way.



rodman literally stuck his leg out to trip him, and got little johnny knee on knee and that's your example for tough play? A guy just sticking his leg out?

THAT got a 1 game suspension?

holy shit lol

[Showtime80']

The Warriors BS small lineup would be tested BIG TIME!!! With Green having to guard guys like Kareem, Magic, McHale, Moses, Barkley, Karl Malone, Olajuwon, Sampson, Parish, Sikma, Gilmore, Ewing etc... Guys that are going to get him in foul trouble early and often. Also the 80's was man to man defense with NOBODY committing to double teams away from the paint. That might not be a problem for Steph and Klay who can create their own shot consistently but it would be for EVERYONE else on the Warriors dependent on perimeter double team commitment to Steph

They can get away with that BS in today's pathetic league where the supposed best low post center is a head case toiling away in Sacramento!

[Da_Realist]

Jesus Christ talk about overgeneralizing a 5 minute clip by a snot nosed millennial!!!

First of all the 1989 Pistons were the SLOWEST PACED team in the NBA during that season while the Lakers were dealing with the injury to Byron Scott just before game 1 and Kareem running on fumes at 42 years old. The focus of the offenses of that era specially with these two teams was THE PAINT!!! Not jacking up contested 3 point shots like Lillard and Curry like to do, Center and forward post ups for the Lakers and guard penetration for mid range and layups for the Pistons, simple and efficient. The Lakers without Scott were handcuffed in dealing with the onslaught of the 3 headed guard monster of Isiah, Dumars and the Microwave so they sure as hell were not going to tire out Magic and Coop on defense playing full court.

If you really want to see EVERYTHING that is missing from today's NBA, take the time in your short attention span existence to watch the ENTIRE game 7 of the 1988 WCF between A HEALTHY Lakers and Mavs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKbOC8qu19A

This game has EVERYTHING!!! Physical, tough and aggressive man to man defense sometimes trapping, smart methodical half court execution, excellent post up, mid range and fast break play, SUPERSTAR PLAYERS knowing and executing their role to perfection, timely 3 point shooting within the flow of the offense etc... Both offenses flowed inside-out which made them quick hitting instead of having guards trying to beat defenses 30 feet away from the basket dribbling the air out of the ball to finally jack up a contested 25 footer!!!

Count how many DUMB BAD SHOTS were taken in that game 7! The PG play was IMPECABLE!!! Put Russell Westbrick and Damien Lillard in that game and they don't last 5 minutes with the dumb as! decisions they make on a consistent basis.

People are missing the point when putting Curry in the 80's era, his 3 point shot would still be there and he would probably nail a good percentage of them although he would deal with much more resistance. Where he would suffer TREMENDOUSLY is driving to the hoop!!! A lot of Curry's damage against the Blazers was done in the painted area virtually walking with a red carped underneath him towards the basket without A SINGLE HARD FOUL!!!!

Do you honestly think Curry would have the same looks in the 80's crowded painted area with NO FLAGRANT FOUL RULE and real big men ready to put you on your arse!?!?!

Like I said in another thread, put Curry in place of Jordan on the 89' Bulls, do they even win a QUARTER against the Bad Boy Pistons in the EFC?!?! Be honest with yourselves!

Damn, I wish I had read this before making my post about the easy layups guys get today against halfcourt defenses. Bravo :applause:

[90sgoat]

rodman literally stuck his leg out to trip him, and got little johnny knee on knee and that's your example for tough play? A guy just sticking his leg out?

THAT got a 1 game suspension?

holy shit lol

I like how you ignore the other video of Stockton getting elbowed in the face, not giving a damn, then tackling 7 foot D-Rob.

[StrongLurk]

Your dad has a bad memory, sorry bro, but that's a joke of an opinion.

He says the only difference is how flagrant fouls and technical fouls are called. Much more leeway in the past on those.

However regular foul calls he thinks there is no comparison, and as a big Jordan fan (who isn't?), he says Jordan got cheap touch fouls ALL THE TIME. He thinks refs were much quicker to call fouls in the past than they are now.

Hell have you seen the refs these playoffs? People are getting elbowed out of bounds (Dion Waiters) and punched yet no calls AT ALL.

[Showtime80']

LOL at Hey Yo!!!

The 80's Celtics are NOT SITTING down either Tiny Archibald or DJ for Nash for God's sake. DJ's defense on Magic in 1984 basically WON THEM the title. Put Nash in there and the Lakers sweep that series by an average of 20+ points.

Same in 1986 with the big back court of Robert Reid and Mitchell Wiggins and in 1987 against Isiah and Dumars!

[Da_Realist]

People are missing the point when putting Curry in the 80's era, his 3 point shot would still be there and he would probably nail a good percentage of them although he would deal with much more resistance. Where he would suffer TREMENDOUSLY is driving to the hoop!!! A lot of Curry's damage against the Blazers was done in the painted area virtually walking with a red carped underneath him towards the basket without A SINGLE HARD FOUL!!!!

Do you honestly think Curry would have the same looks in the 80's crowded painted area with NO FLAGRANT FOUL RULE and real big men ready to put you on your arse!?!?!

For sure all the prancing and flexing would be put to a stop. Teams would be highly motivated to stop Curry and Green from flexing after every made basket.

[90sgoat]

He says the only difference is how flagrant fouls and technical fouls are called. Much more leeway in the past on those.

However regular foul calls he thinks there is no comparison, and as a big Jordan fan (who isn't?), he says Jordan got cheap touch fouls ALL THE TIME. He thinks refs were much quicker to call fouls in the past than they are now.

Hell have you seen the refs these playoffs? People are getting elbowed out of bounds (Dion Waiters) and punched yet no calls AT ALL.

Listen, I don't really want to continue such an inane discussion, when games from the 90s are fully available, go watch Knicks vs Bulls conference finals in 1991 and then 1996 Bulls vs Sonics, then let me know if you still feel fouls are the same.

It's simply a wrong statement. Refs let a lot more pass in the past, they allowed contact without calling fouls, that's the biggest difference, today contact of some sort means a foul - always - either offensive or defensive, not so in the past where sometimes people just bumped into each other and no foul was called.

Just go watch 10 minutes worth of play from the 1991 ECF or the 1996 finals, it's only 10 minutes.

[tpols]

I like how you ignore the other video of Stockton getting elbowed in the face, not giving a damn, then tackling 7 foot D-Rob.


lmao .. you guys sound like WWE fans. Were talking about basketball here.


I dont care if John Stockton was scrappy, dirty whatever. He was a little guy w/ a sleight build so he had to be that way to even survive.. similar to Matthew Delladova today, w/ the only difference being John was a little shorter and lighter.


Chris Paul is the kind of dude with an old school game.. excellent midrange, smart decisions everywhere, and also very scrappy willing to fight and bark.. but who gets the better of each other ? Curry or Paul? Basketball. talk basketball for once, and stop with the nostalgic WWE stuff.

[Da_Realist]

The NBA now is a dumbed down, fundamentally flawed, facebook buddy exhibition between a bunch of RAW ATHLETES that are taking longer to develop than EVER BEFORE thanks to the AAU crap development these kids are going through since they are in grade school.

The 80's NBA was for DEVELOPED MEN, not raw athletic children!

:bowdown:

[riseagainst]

Curry would literally average 50 a game in the 80s and 90s. Defense back then were less sophisticated than today's defense. The only way you could stop Curry is if you literally punch him on the head as hard as you can or clothline him in mid-air to take him out. But if you do that there would be an asterisk next to every championship you win.

Somehow these old timers think because you can hit, punch and clothline players that makes defenses "better."

:confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

The 80's NBA was for ROIDED junkies, not athletic men!
FTFY, shit era stan.

[Bosnian Sajo]

No, Kenny actually said something along the lines of Curry might still be good in that era.

These dudes are out of their minds. There were 6 foot white guys averaging 20/10 in that era

Name one.

[Showtime80']

Magic, Jordan, Isiah, Dr J and Bird ALL survived and WON against the physical defenses of the 80's and early 90's! The cheap shots and hard fouls were part of the game and if Curry couldn't withstand it as I'm positive he couldn't with his little brittle ankles, the asterisk would be ON HIM!!!

Basketball is the ONLY sport in the USA which has ALTERED DRASTICALLY the way it's being developed, scouted and ultimately drafted!!! Baseball, Football and Hockey still have the same development and farm systems they've had for AGES!

During the 1980's players were developed at the local grass roots level learning and mastering the fundamentals of the game before anything else and then going on the top programs for 2 to 4 years!!! Much like players from the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Fast forward to the 1990's and beyond where AAU has become the developer of young talent, not focusing AT ALL on engraining the fundamentals of the game and basically sending off high schoolers with raw games to stay one year of college and then try to develop whatever few things they need to get paid during their NBA career!!!

Dwight Howard is the poster child for this generation of raw dumb ATHLETES!!! 10+ years in the league and he STILL has not learned two go to post moves to save his life and his positioning in the post is some of the worst even seen. He would be basically a bench players in the 80's and 90
s yet he's a dominant MAX PLAYER in today's sorry league!

No think hard, which league do you thing had the best quality of game and player, those of the 80's that were developed THE RIGHT WAY or the "I wanna be like" AAU raw generation learning the game THE WRONG WAY of the 90's and beyond?

[jayfan]

https://youtu.be/JKtur6F5Jy0?t=15


Pistons played some straight D. Wasn't all thuggish all the time. And young Rodman was no joke on the perimeter.




.

[StrongLurk]

Listen, I don't really want to continue such an inane discussion, when games from the 90s are fully available, go watch Knicks vs Bulls conference finals in 1991 and then 1996 Bulls vs Sonics, then let me know if you still feel fouls are the same.

It's simply a wrong statement. Refs let a lot more pass in the past, they allowed contact without calling fouls, that's the biggest difference, today contact of some sort means a foul - always - either offensive or defensive, not so in the past where sometimes people just bumped into each other and no foul was called.

Just go watch 10 minutes worth of play from the 1991 ECF or the 1996 finals, it's only 10 minutes.

It's really a pointless conversation. Two series out of an entire decade? Even if you gave 20 series it wouldn't be enough of a sample size. We simply have to agree to disagree.

[Bankaii]

I giffed it for you fukkers:

https://media.giphy.com/media/vzZMdO6NCVcR2/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/Q4ApnsGYwkYfe/giphy.gif

That's 1st quarter btw.

More:

http://i.giphy.com/F7b8Ana3rPkNq.gif
Omg, you showed two full court presses that even basic ass high school teams run.
And a player getting picked up full court, something that Patrick Beverly does to curry all the time. Ffs the defender back up into the 3 point line after the guy passed half court, that's pointless.

Again, where are the gifs showing this relentless defense, because from what Madsen is posting defense was actually worse back then.

[Replay32]

So let me get this straight. You post gifs of guys walking the ball up the court because there's no reason to guard them because they don't have Steph's range.

Well guess what, if Steph was out there, he would not be walking the ball up the court unguarded. What kind of logic are you using?

They would guard him whatever way is necessary to guard him. PERIOD.

So the Pistons are going to allow Steph to walk the ball up the court because they allowed Magic to do it? Magic can't shoot out to 30 feet, why guard him out there?

Your logic is terrible, I'm sorry it is. If a guy like Steph is playing back then, best believe Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or whoever would adjust to it and the rules would allow them to.

So AGAIN, Steph is Steph, he's not the Steph of today though.

Also, how do you magically transport players back to the past eras without accounting for the change in mentality and the way the game.

We talk about how guys weren't brought up with that mentality. Guys stand at the 3 point line, unguarded and still try to force entry passes...

Well Steph would be brough up in the same era his dad was and yes, his dad shoot constantly and I do mean constantly, he still was playing in a structured style pretty much. I don't know if Steph would even have the freedom to play like he does now. Its not even so much about his talent, yes many of his moves would be called carry, but he's ball handling ability is great enough that he would just do different moves. And honestly, a lot of his stuff is more legal than most guys playing today tbh, including Kyrie.

But even Steph comes along and changes the game in the 90's, teams would adjust, they WOULD guard him basically half the court because they'd have to. Moving screens and stuff are definitely illegal back then.

I dunno, it would just be different.

The teams he's going against playing more inside out, more slow tempo, more fouls, more dominant inside players, its just not as free flowing where your opponent is launching 3's leading to easy run outs and wide open shots. Its just a different game...

This is a good post. You're right. The game is different. I'm not going to argue if the game today is better or worse, but perimeter players have more freedom for sure. And play styles, mentality and physicality is different today compared to back in the day.

Even going back to the 60's. I wonder how many players would be able to play the same playing in low top chuck taylor all stars.

[ClipperRevival]

:facepalm :rolleyes:

Here we go again. New school and old school trying to degrade other eras. All I am saying along with a few other sensible people in this thread is that if Curry had played back in the days, the additional physicality allowed would make it harder for him. Yes, Curry would be a truly transcendent talent in ANY era. But how anyone can just dismiss physicality and how it can affect offensive players is beyond me. But the way both sides just completely trashes the other era is cringe worthy.

[Showtime80']

The 1988 playoffs featured hall of famers:

Jordan
Pippen
Magic
Kareem
Worthy
Bird
McHale
Parish
DJ
Isiah
Dumars
Dantley
Wilkins
Moses
English
Stockton
K.Malone
Drexler
Olajuwon

That's 19 HALL OF FAMERS IN ALL close or either AT THEIR PRIMES!!!

Compare that list to this year's pathetic playoffs and tell me with a straight face that there really has been an evolution?!?!

More like the NBA has gone down the crapper!!!

[WayOfWad3]

I would absolutely love to see Draymond Green mix it up with the bad boys

[Da_Realist]

https://youtu.be/JKtur6F5Jy0?t=15


Pistons played some straight D. Wasn't all thuggish all the time. And young Rodman was no joke on the perimeter.

I'm so glad you brought this up. Defenders back then played defense with their feet. Handchecking was an extra way to slow guys down, not the main way.

[Blue&Orange]

Magic, Jordan, Isiah, Dr J and Bird ALL survived and WON against the physical defenses of the 80's and early 90's! The cheap shots and hard fouls were part of the game and if Curry couldn't withstand it as I'm positive he couldn't with his little brittle ankles, the asterisk would be ON HIM!!!

Basketball is the ONLY sport in the USA which has ALTERED DRASTICALLY the way it's being developed, scouted and ultimately drafted!!! Baseball, Football and Hockey still have the same development and farm systems they've had for AGES!

During the 1980's players were developed at the local grass roots level learning and mastering the fundamentals of the game before anything else and then going on the top programs for 2 to 4 years!!! Much like players from the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Fast forward to the 1990's and beyond where AAU has become the developer of young talent, not focusing AT ALL on engraining the fundamentals of the game and basically sending off high schoolers with raw games to stay one year of college and then try to develop whatever few things they need to get paid during their NBA career!!!

Dwight Howard is the poster child for this generation of raw dumb ATHLETES!!! 10+ years in the league and he STILL has not learned two go to post moves to save his life and his positioning in the post is some of the worst even seen. He would be basically a bench players in the 80's and 90
s yet he's a dominant MAX PLAYER in today's sorry league!

No think hard, which league do you thing had the best quality of game and player, those of the 80's that were developed THE RIGHT WAY or the "I wanna be like" AAU raw generation learning the game THE WRONG WAY of the 90's and beyond?
And this is way NBA had to soften the rules, to a soft cotton candy league, otherwise the scoring would be terrible.

And this is why fundamental old school players and fundamental old school teams dominate to the point of embarrassment. Yes curry and GSW shoot a lot of 3's but they are about old school and fundamental basketball like no other team.

This is why a team of corpses like the Spurs still dominate. The spurs are the living proof how weak this era is. IT's been more than half a decade of people saying "they are done" and yet they went to the finals they won a championship and they just won 67.

Know why everyone was saying 6 years ago they were done, because that's what happened to all great team, they got old and someone else took over. And that

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]And this is way NBA had to soften the rules, to a soft cotton candy league, otherwise the scoring would be terrible.

And this is why fundamental old school players and fundamental old school teams dominate to the point of embarrassment. Yes curry and GSW shoot a lot of 3's but they are about old school and fundamental basketball like no other team.

This is why a team of corpses like the Spurs still dominate. The spurs are the living proof how weak this era is. IT's been more than half a decade of people saying "they are done" and yet they went to the finals they won a championship and they just won 67.

Know why everyone was saying 6 years ago they were done, because that's what happened to all great team, they got old and someone else took over. And that

[Blue&Orange]

and i can't stand the "sophisticated defenses" crap. Offense changed much more than defense. Defenses changed to counteract how offenses changed.

The "sophisticated defenses" idiots realize that it goes both ways? Everyone can also say "can you imagine Jordan on these sophisticated offenses"?


I've seen this alternative reality where Jordan played on these sophisticated offenses and on this era that encourages 3pt shooting. Know what happened? NBA had to change the rules, they had to remove the 3pt line, to force to pack the paint, between deadly 3pt shooting and easy navigating through empty pain full of soft bigs, Jordan was willing the bulls to 98 wins a season.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Name one.

http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mark-price-cavs.jpg

first team all nba in 93

all nba in 89, 92, 94

6 foot. 170 pounds

[TheMarkMadsen]

Omg, you showed two full court presses that even basic ass high school teams run.
And a player getting picked up full court, something that Patrick Beverly does to curry all the time. Ffs the defender back up into the 3 point line after the guy passed half court, that's pointless.

Again, where are the gifs showing this relentless defense, because from what Madsen is posting defense was actually worse back then.


exactly, this dude just showed full court presses :oldlol: I didn't see any physicality in those gifs that I don't see today :confusedshrug:


these morons act like Chris Jackson didn't have the EXACT SAME PLAY STYLE as Curry. Jackson was successful with that style in that era and Curry is on a completely different level.

[jayfan]

The 1988 playoffs featured hall of famers:

Jordan
Pippen
Magic
Kareem
Worthy
Bird
McHale
Parish
DJ
Isiah
Dumars
Dantley
Wilkins
Moses
English
Stockton
K.Malone
Drexler
Olajuwon

That's 19 HALL OF FAMERS IN ALL close or either AT THEIR PRIMES!!!

Compare that list to this year's pathetic playoffs and tell me with a straight face that there really has been an evolution?!?!

More like the NBA has gone down the crapper!!!

Forgot Rodman.


.

[Knoe Itawl]

Some good points being made in this thread. I just wanted to add something about the whole "older people being nostalgic" idea. Do some older people glorify their own eras? Of course. However, sometimes older things were just better.

Examples:

Is Ne-Yo better than Michael Jackson as an artist/performer?
Is Beyonce a better singer than Whitney Houston?
Is Bruno Mars a more talented musician than Prince?
Is Lebron better than Michael Jordan?
Is Fetty Wap a better rapper than B.I.G?

etc etc.

It's a case by case basis, but to just automatically assume that people are just glorifying things from the past because they just can't let go is specious at best. I'd be the first to admit if someone came along that truly was better than Jordan. It just hasn't happened yet.

[tpols]

http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mark-price-cavs.jpg

first team all nba in 93

all nba in 89, 92, 94

6 foot. 170 pounds

look at the man's highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sua9u318wGo&t=0m34s) as well.

Getting into the paint AT WILL. Splitting traps on double teams, slithering all about lol. And despite being one of the best shooters of the era, pay attention how the defense is sagged a few feet off him at the 3 pt line, and if pressed he blows right by.. its almost like .. its hard to handcheck somone who has a lower center of gravity and superior quickness.

my god .. Steph would EAT back then.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Price in 1990 took 5 threes per game, averaged 20/9 and shot nearly 60% TS.

Curry is bigger, faster, stronger, more skilled an a way better player.

Price did this during the heart of the "bad boy pistons era"

[jayfan]

Price in 1990 took 5 threes per game, averaged 20/9 and shot nearly 60% TS.

Curry is bigger, faster, stronger, more skilled an a way better player.

Price did this during the heart of the "bad boy pistons era"

I thought the conversation was about the Pistons, not the "pistons era."

Price averaged 14/6 on 52% TS, 41% FG v. the Pistons.



.

[Showtime80']

Mark Price NEVER had the brittle surgically repaired ankles Steph Curry has.

And add to the fact Mark Price as good as he was, WAS NEVER a top ten player and never even sniffed an NBA title. Just like Curry would be in the late 80's!

[ClipperRevival]

Some good points being made in this thread. I just wanted to add something about the whole "older people being nostalgic" idea. Do some older people glorify their own eras? Of course. However, sometimes older things were just better.

Examples:

Is Ne-Yo better than Michael Jackson as an artist/performer?
Is Beyonce a better singer than Whitney Houston?
Is Bruno Mars a more talented musician than Prince?
Is Lebron better than Michael Jordan?
Is Fetty Wap a better rapper than B.I.G?

etc etc.

It's a case by case basis, but to just automatically assume that people are just glorifying things from the past because they just can't let go is specious at best. I'd be the first to admit if someone came along that truly was better than Jordan. It just hasn't happened yet.

Yup. I have absolutely no problem admitting this also but we haven't seen it yet. It's going to take someone truly unbelievably great to surpass MJ. If Curry keeps this level up for 5-7 years and wins 2-3 more mvp, 2-3 more fmvp and 3-4 more rings, he can get in that discussion. But that is a LOOOOONG way to go.

The young kids just ASSUME MJ fans are just biased, nostalgic dudes. Some of us are as evidenced in this thread but a lot of us just realize what we saw: possibly the GOAT for eternity.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

People talking about how Pistons would outgoon GSW:facepalm

Bogut is a big goon. Imagine given the freedom to handcheck people.

Imagine Dray with his skills given the freedom to handcheck and play more dirty.

Imagine Iggy and Klay given the freedom to handcheck while on defense.

I guess these things only apply when It's benefiting 90's players.

Go to bed oLd men.

[senelcoolidge]

I think Curry would still be the best shooter in the game and an excellent player ...but not the best in the league. Probably not even up in the mvp list. That era was stacked with great players plus the rule changes..curry would not be shooting 20 three pointers per game..nope. He would not get as many easy shots. He would be more like his Dad but better..he has handles.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Mark Price NEVER had the brittle surgically repaired ankles Steph Curry has.

And add to the fact Mark Price as good as he was, WAS NEVER a top ten player and never even sniffed an NBA title. Just like Curry would be in the late 80's!


he was voted first team all nba in 93..

and you realize that Curry is 10x better than Price, right?

If Price was able to be a first team all nba player in that era, Curry would feast.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Chris Jackson had the same style as Curry.

Chris Jackson was able to come off high screens, hit pull up jumpers, floaters in the pain in traffic, shoot threes from 25+ feet..

But Curry couldn't?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think Curry would still be the best shooter in the game and an excellent player ...but not the best in the league. Probably not even up in the mvp list. That era was stacked with great players plus the rule changes..curry would not be shooting 20 three pointers per game..nope. He would not get as many easy shots. He would be more like his Dad but better..he has handles.


:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Showtime80']

At the end of the day, Michael Jordan DOMINATED from the first time he stepped on the floor to the last day (As a Bull) he stepped off the floor in 1998!, that's 14 years!!!! He did it during the first half of his career against the most stacked period in NBA history and against rules that didn't favor perimeter players.

Steph Curry has had a great 2 YEAR RUN!!!! In a league where EVERY RULE is catered to the style that he plays.

Debate over!

[ClipperRevival]

Chris Jackson had the same style as Curry.

Chris Jackson was able to come off high screens, hit pull up jumpers, floaters in the pain in traffic, shoot threes from 25+ feet..

But Curry couldn't?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Who are you talking to? The few biased, old timers? Well, you think you will convince them otherwise coming from a guy who never saw that era? Please.

The rest of us realize Curry is a truly special and transcendent talent. He would be special in any era. So what's your point?

[TheMarkMadsen]

At the end of the day, Michael Jordan DOMINATED from the first time he stepped on the floor to the last day (As a Bull) he stepped off the floor in 1998!, that's 14 years!!!! He did it during the first half of his career against the most stacked period in NBA history and against rules that didn't favor perimeter players.

Steph Curry has had a great 2 YEAR RUN!!!! In a league where EVERY RULE is catered to the style that he plays.

Debate over!


I think you're confusing the era where Jordan was getting bounced from the playoffs and the era that Jordan began winning championships

[ClipperRevival]

I think you're confusing the era where Jordan was getting bounced from the playoffs and the era that Jordan began winning championships

Proper context needed.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=394831

[Showtime80']

He was getting bounced by Larry Bird's Celtics and Isiah' Pistons at their respective peaks with Orlando Wooldrige, Charles Oakley and young Pippen as sidekicks!!!

Like I said in another thread, put Steph Curry in place of Jordan in 1989, due they even get to the playoffs, let alone take A PEAK BAD BOY PISTONS to 6 games!?!

[TheMarkMadsen]

so your argument is that Curry would get bounced from the playoffs against the celtics, lakers and pistons.. ok ... not sure how that favors Jordan :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

If Curry has to face Lebron's all star team in the finals it will be safe to say that Jordan never faced a player as good with that good of a team around him in the finals.

[senelcoolidge]

:facepalm are people seriously thinking that Curry is better than MJ....wow.

[Showtime80']

No my point was the Curry is not EVEN GETTING TO THE PLAYOFFS in the 1980's with the lineups Jordan had let alone putting up the numbers Michal did.

"LeBron's all star team" LOL!!!! Kids today need to take a look at the lineups teams had BEFORE the salary cap came into play. Teams today basically have big 2's and big 3's and that's it, teams back then had big 4's, 5's and even 6!!!

Jordan some of the GREATEST AND MOST STACKED TEAMS BEFORE THE FINALS!!!

The 1986-87 Celtics as well as the 1988-90 Pistons absolutely SH!T on the present day Cavaliers:

Celtics:

Parish
Bird
McHale
Ainge
DJ
Wedman
Walton

Pistons:

Isiah
Laimbeer
Rodman
Dumars
Aguirre
Dantley
Mahorn

"LeBron's all star team" LOL!!!!

[90sgoat]

TheMarkMadsen now goes on the retard list along with Simon, Lebronxrings, Riseagainst and Warriorfan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:facepalm are people seriously thinking that Curry is better than MJ....wow.


I'm not saying he is better than MJ, ya'll are sensitive as **** :oldlol:

you just said that CUrry wouldn't even be on the MVP ballot, GTFO :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

No my point was the Curry is not EVEN GETTING TO THE PLAYOFFS in the 1980's with the lineups Jordan had let alone putting up the numbers Michal did.

"LeBron's all star team" LOL!!!! Kids today need to take a look at the lineups teams had BEFORE the salary cap came into play. Teams today basically have big 2's and big 3's and that's it, teams back then had big 4's, 5's and even 6!!!

Jordan some of the GREATEST AND MOST STACKED TEAMS BEFORE THE FINALS!!!

The 1986-87 Celtics as well as the 1988-90 Pistons absolutely SH!T on the present day Cavaliers:

Celtics:

Parish
Bird
McHale
Ainge
DJ
Wedman
Walton

Pistons:

Isiah
Laimbeer
Rodman
Dumars
Aguirre
Dantley
Mahorn

"LeBron's all star team" LOL!!!!


you just listed teams that Jordan never beat,

putting up stats and losing isn't what makes you the GOAT

you guys are sooooo sensitive :oldlol:

Curry just had the GOAT offensive season and some of you idiots don't even think he'd be a top player in the 90's :rolleyes:

yeah.. ok...

[90sgoat]

you just listed teams that Jordan never beat,

putting up stats and losing isn't what makes you the GOAT

you guys are sooooo sensitive :oldlol:

Curry just had the GOAT offensive season and some of you idiots don't even think he'd be a top player in the 90's :rolleyes:

yeah.. ok...

Moron.

'GOAT' offensive season lol.

MJ had 8 seasons scoring more than Curry's 'goat season'.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 seasons.

MJ averages Curry's 'goat season'.

MJ's best season statline: 32.5-8-8-3-1 on 54%.

GTFO you are quickly cementing your place in the retard group of ish.

[Showtime80']

Direct question TheMarkMadsen:

Put Curry on the 1988 Bulls in place of Michael, (the year Jordan won MVP), where does he finish in the MVP race considering the top 7 (Without Jordan) were:

Bird
Magic
Barkley
Drexler
Wilkins
Olajuwon
Malone

Where the hell would Curry fit in that list and does he even lead the Bulls to 30 wins!

[TheMarkMadsen]

Moron.

'GOAT' offensive season lol.

MJ had 8 seasons scoring more than Curry's 'goat season'.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 seasons.

MJ averages Curry's 'goat season'.

MJ's best season statline: 32.5-8-8-3-1 on 54%.

GTFO you are quickly cementing your place in the retard group of ish.

Oh so Jordan has 8 season's where he made 400+ threes and averaged 30ppg on 67%TS while leading his team to the GOAT record while being the unanimous MVP

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Direct question TheMarkMadsen:

Put Curry on the 1988 Bulls in place of Michael, (the year Jordan won MVP), where does he finish in the MVP race considering the top 7 (Without Jordan) were:

Bird
Magic
Barkley
Drexler
Wilkins
Olajuwon
Malone

Where the hell would Curry fit in that list and does he even lead the Bulls to 30 wins!

I don't know why you want to play these hypothetical scenario games, you are clearly stubborn and set in your ways and any answer I give you won't satisfy you.

There is no way of proving anything by playing these hypothetical situations, anything I say you'll just tell me my opinion is wrong, because to you, your opinion is fact.

[Showtime80']

Answer the question

[ShawkFactory]

Moron.

'GOAT' offensive season lol.

MJ had 8 seasons scoring more than Curry's 'goat season'.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 seasons.

MJ averages Curry's 'goat season'.

MJ's best season statline: 32.5-8-8-3-1 on 54%.

GTFO you are quickly cementing your place in the retard group of ish.
Didn't want to have to do this...but Jordan never played less than 38 minutes or took less than 22 shots per game.

Curry played 34 and only took 20. His crazy efficient is part of why it was a GOAT offensive season.

[KelticForce1349]

If guys like Price & Stockton can be first team all nba players during that era then what would stop Curry (who is on a complete different level than both of these guys) from having success as well?



Holy $h!t! Are you really saying that Curry is a better Point guard than John Stockton???? If you want me to say that Curry is the greatest shooter ever, better than any White player, blah, blah, blah....ok. Fine.

But are you really going to sit here and talk about Price and Stockton as if they weren't truly great at the Sport of Basketball? Do you think of them as being like those "suspect" guys from the 50's and 60's Basketball era? :wtf:

[Da_Realist]

It's very rare for paid analysts to publically say that today's game lacks something or is inferior to some time in the past because they are paid to promote today's game. Usually they wait until a special on a team from the past (like the 30 for 30 special on the Pistons) or retirement to say how they truly feel about the differences. No one wants to seem like a bitter old man hanging on to the past and no one wants to deal with the relentless criticism and defensiveness from the very fans that keep them on tv. (Disillusioned fans don't watch NBA after game analysis shows.)

But there have been several. Barkley and Kenny Smith aren't alone. (Jeff Van Gundy is another outspoken critic from a different network to speak strongly against today's softness). They could be nostalgic and they could be wrong or maybe they see something as professionals spending most of their lives on the court more clearly than we do watching it on tv. It's rare that Kenny and Barkley even agree but on this they do. And they both do it without really softening their stance -- which is also rare. TV makes its money promoting today's game, not the past. When several are allowed to voice their opinion against the moneymaker in favor of the past (which does not fill their pockets) then you can bet their opinion is deeply rooted and probably stronger than they would admit on TV.

[Showtime80']

Not only that Da Realist, ANYONE who has watched the NBA for the past 30 years can clearly seen that the league has altered the rules to a point that the game is truly unrecognizable!!!

Wonder why in the 1980's virtually EVERYONE from past eras was GUSHING over guys like Kareem, McHale, Olajuwon, Magic, Bird, Moses, Isiah, Jordan etc... While a lot of the stars from the 80's and before CAN'T STAND what basketball has become!

I'll tell you why, the 1980's WAS THE LAST DECADE where players were valued for their FUNDAMENTALS AND BASKETBALL IQ instead of the "ATHLETICISM OVER EVERYTHING" that came afterwards and gave us the horrific period from 1999 to 2005 with the Kings, Spurs, Mavs and Suns being the only glimmer of hope for traditional basketball fans and even then things such as post play were aside from the Lakers and Spurs were already dying off slowly.

[KelticForce1349]

It's very rare for paid analysts to publically say that today's game lacks something or is inferior to some time in the past because they are paid to promote today's game. Usually they wait until a special on a team from the past (like the 30 for 30 special on the Pistons) or retirement to say how they truly feel about the differences. No one wants to seem like a bitter old man hanging on to the past and no one wants to deal with the relentless criticism and defensiveness from the very fans that keep them on tv. (Disillusioned fans don't watch NBA after game analysis shows.)

But there have been several. Barkley and Kenny Smith aren't alone. (Jeff Van Gundy is another outspoken critic from a different network to speak strongly against today's softness). They could be nostalgic and they could be wrong or maybe they see something as professionals spending most of their lives on the court more clearly than we do watching it on tv. It's rare that Kenny and Barkley even agree but on this they do. And they both do it without really softening their stance -- which is also rare. TV makes its money promoting today's game, not the past. When several are allowed to voice their opinion against the moneymaker in favor of the past (which does not fill their pockets) then you can bet their opinion is deeply rooted and probably stronger than they would admit on TV.

Excellent post! :cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Holy $h!t! Are you really saying that Curry is a better Point guard than John Stockton???? If you want me to say that Curry is the greatest shooter ever, better than any White player, blah, blah, blah....ok. Fine.

But are you really going to sit here and talk about Price and Stockton as if they weren't truly great at the Sport of Basketball? Do you think of them as being like those "suspect" guys from the 50's and 60's Basketball era? :wtf:


Curry is much better than Stockton, he's on a completely different level

If Stockton and Price can excel in the 90's, what's stopping Curry..

stop this

[senelcoolidge]

I'm not saying he is better than MJ, ya'll are sensitive as **** :oldlol:

you just said that CUrry wouldn't even be on the MVP ballot, GTFO :roll:

He wouldn't, unless he had a really exceptional year. Curry would have to go up against the likes of MJ, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem, Stockton, and many others. You understand that he wouldn't be playing with today's rules that cater to him. He would be more like his dad a really good shooter but capable of driving..which wasn't as easy as today. He wouldn't even be the best point guard in the league. But I believe he would still be an excellent player..it's just that the league had many great players and the rules weren't as guard friendly.

[3ball]

.
Each stat below is linked to NBA.COM:

Over 80% of today's 3-point attempts are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - as described by NBA.com:



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

LEAGUE-AVERAGE
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=0-2%20Feet%20-%20Very%20Tight).................... 4.1 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=2-4%20Feet%20-%20Tight)..................9.9 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open)..................9.4 (http://stats.nba.com/league/team/shots/#!/?sort=FG3A&dir=1&ShotDistRange=&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................1.7%................17.2%........ .....41.6%.............39.5%




Over 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts are either "open" (4-6 ft) or "very open" (6+ ft).. However, the league average is 80%, as shown above.



........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%

[3ball]

most teams in the 80's had no idea how to deal with 3 pt shooting.


Today's defenses do a horrible job of defending 3-point shots - today's teams shoot more 3-pointers are a higher clip than ever before.

Furthermore, over 80% of today's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open" as described by NBA.com's stats page, shown in the previous post above:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12365107&postcount=142

[90sgoat]

Curry is much better than Stockton, he's on a completely different level

If Stockton and Price can excel in the 90's, what's stopping Curry..

stop this

You're such a moron, legit contending for worst poster of the board, I hope everyone is taking not of TheMarkMadsen so they can ignore you and make fun of you going forward.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Curry's 3 point record will be broken a LONG time before anyone breaks Stockton's assist and steals records.

Stupid can only see points made and 3s made, you have no clue at all.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He wouldn't, unless he had a really exceptional year. Curry would have to go up against the likes of MJ, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem, Stockton, and many others. You understand that he wouldn't be playing with today's rules that cater to him. He would be more like his dad a really good shooter but capable of driving..which wasn't as easy as today. He wouldn't even be the best point guard in the league. But I believe he would still be an excellent player..it's just that the league had many great players and the rules weren't as guard friendly.


oh you mean like the last two years :facepalm :facepalm

Stop with this stupid "rules" shit.

Guys with the same size as Curry were playing great in that era and they weren't half as good as Curry

Saying Curry wouldn't be on the MVP ballot is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen, that is straight up hate

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're such a moron, legit contending for worst poster of the board, I hope everyone is taking not of TheMarkMadsen so they can ignore you and make fun of you going forward.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Curry's 3 point record will be broken a LONG time before anyone breaks Stockton's assist and steals records.

Stupid can only see points made and 3s made, you have no clue at all.

I like how you have rebuttal at all except to throw insults like a 12 year old :oldlol:

if you really think Stockton is better than Curry, then :oldlol:

[Hopper15]

I like how you have rebuttal at all except to throw insults like a 12 year old :oldlol:

if you really think Stockton is better than Curry, then :oldlol:

Stockton or Curry? I'm taking Curry without any hesitation.

[Showtime80']

Jesus Christ! People need to check themselves!

Curry has had 7 SEASONS IN THE NBA, with only 3 all star appearances and only ONCE has he averaged more than 25ppg (Yet they call him an all time scorer) has toped 8 assists only ONCE (Yet he's an all time great PG), the Warriors won 3 games LESS in his rookie year than the year before! Go check the records of Magic, Bird, Isiah, Olajuwon and Jordan the year AFTER they got drafted!!!

He's part of the most STACKED TEAM in the modern pathetic NBA where he has become basically a system player.

Call me when he does this for 5 or 6 more years!

[TheMarkMadsen]

Stockton or Curry? I'm taking Curry without any hesitation.

anybody would

[HighFlyer23]

He really doesn't go inside in traffic

So unless they are going to try and impede his landing while he's shooting 3 pointers I don't see any issues

[TheMarkMadsen]

Jesus Christ! People need to check themselves!

Curry has had 7 SEASONS IN THE NBA, with only 3 all star appearances and only ONCE has he averaged more than 25ppg (Yet they call him an all time scorer) has toped 8 assists only ONCE (Yet he's an all time great PG), the Warriors won 3 games LESS in his rookie year than the year before! Go check the records of Magic, Bird, Isiah, Olajuwon and Jordan the year AFTER they got drafted!!!

He's part of the most STACKED TEAM in the modern pathetic NBA where he has become basically a system player.

Call me when he does this for 5 or 6 more years!

why do you even watch the NBA anymore?

[90sgoat]

It's ok to pick Curry over Stockton, it's not ok to claim Stockton is 'on another level'.

It is extremely ignorant to the guy who dominated the league for 2 decades and who was an original Dream Team member over many other 20-10 pointguards.

Stockton is a legend and the second best point guard of all time after Magic. Curry is not a point guard, just an undersized shooting/comboguard.

[ClipperRevival]

Holy $h!t! Are you really saying that Curry is a better Point guard than John Stockton???? If you want me to say that Curry is the greatest shooter ever, better than any White player, blah, blah, blah....ok. Fine.

But are you really going to sit here and talk about Price and Stockton as if they weren't truly great at the Sport of Basketball? Do you think of them as being like those "suspect" guys from the 50's and 60's Basketball era? :wtf:

Why even bother man. He probably does think the 80's and 90's was some primitive form of bball like the 50's or something. LOL.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's ok to pick Curry over Stockton, it's not ok to claim Stockton is 'on another level'.

It is extremely ignorant to the guy who dominated the league for 2 decades and who was an original Dream Team member over many other 20-10 pointguards.

Stockton is a legend and the second best point guard of all time after Magic. Curry is not a point guard, just an undersized shooting/comboguard.


Curry is on another level than Stockton. Stockton is great, is a legend and is one of the top guards ever

but that doesn't mean Curry isn't on another level.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why even bother man. He probably does think the 80's and 90's was some primitive form of bball like the 50's or something. LOL.


yeah because being on the side of the argument where people are saying Curry wouldn't even be on the MVP ballot and that Stockton was better than Curry is the side where intelligence lies :oldlol: :oldlol:

and of course you missed the point

Stockton and Price are prime examples of guys who are similar in size to Curry, and the physical play on the 90's didn't stop them from being great, which is what your entire argument is based off of.. that the physical style would make Curry worse.. when in fact, there were guys who were just as small and smaller excelling during this time..

[ClipperRevival]

yeah because being on the side of the argument where people are saying Curry wouldn't even be on the MVP ballot and that Stockton was better than Curry is the side where intelligence lies :oldlol: :oldlol:

No buddy. You took the extreme views of a couple of old timers and lumped them all into one. You are arguing against no one but yourself. Most sensible people recognize Curry's greatness and realize he would be GOAT level in ANY era. But you aren't doing yourself any favors by going to bball reference or getting a couple of clips from the 90's to give a generalization about an era you never saw.

[90sgoat]

yeah because being on the side of the argument where people are saying Curry wouldn't even be on the MVP ballot and that Stockton was better than Curry is the side where intelligence lies :oldlol: :oldlol:

and of course you missed the point

Stockton and Price are prime examples of guys who are similar in size to Curry, and the physical play on the 90's didn't stop them from being great, which is what your entire argument is based off of.. that the physical style would make Curry worse.. when in fact, there were guys who were just as small and smaller excelling during this time..

Stockton is 6-1 and Price is 6-0 and they're both pass first point guards, Curry is 6-3 and just as much a shooting guard as Allen Iverson or Dwayne Wade, Montal Ellis and many others.

You don't like to call Curry a shooting guard, because then his stats are less impressive in comparison to the T-Mac, Kobe, MJ, Drexler, Wade.

You like to compare to point guards, because you think Stockton scored 16ppg because he couldn't get more or you think Mark Price was a shoot first point guard.

You never watched Mark Price play, how can you talk about him? You probably didn't watch Stockton play either.

[CuterThanRubio]

Stockton's assist numbers were inflated by dishonest stat keepers and the second highest scoring player of all time carrying him.

Malone is a 2 time MVP

Why does Stockton get all of the credit when the Jazz are mentioned?


Curry was never carried!

[TheMarkMadsen]

Stockton is 6-1 and Price is 6-0 and they're both pass first point guards, Curry is 6-3 and just as much a shooting guard as Allen Iverson or Dwayne Wade, Montal Ellis and many others.

You don't like to call Curry a shooting guard, because then his stats are less impressive in comparison to the T-Mac, Kobe, MJ, Drexler, Wade.

You like to compare to point guards, because you think Stockton scored 16ppg because he couldn't get more or you think Mark Price was a shoot first point guard.

You never watched Mark Price play, how can you talk about him? You probably didn't watch Stockton play either.


how anybody can say this after this season, is beyond me. Curry just had a better regular season than any of those guys sans possibly Jordan

I like to compare point guards, because you guys are acting like Curry couldn't excel in a more physical league, yet you just keep ignoring that smaller guys than Curry were excelling in that more physical league

[Dro]

Yup. I have absolutely no problem admitting this also but we haven't seen it yet. It's going to take someone truly unbelievably great to surpass MJ. If Curry keeps this level up for 5-7 years and wins 2-3 more mvp, 2-3 more fmvp and 3-4 more rings, he can get in that discussion. But that is a LOOOOONG way to go.

The young kids just ASSUME MJ fans are just biased, nostalgic dudes. Some of us are as evidenced in this thread but a lot of us just realize what we saw: possibly the GOAT for eternity.
Its like they don't read, they just assume....

[senelcoolidge]

oh you mean like the last two years :facepalm :facepalm

Stop with this stupid "rules" shit.

Guys with the same size as Curry were playing great in that era and they weren't half as good as Curry

Saying Curry wouldn't be on the MVP ballot is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen, that is straight up hate

Would Curry score 30 ppg with the old rules..would a team let a guy throw up 20 three point attempts per game..you know he wouldn't be shooting that many open 3 pt shots. Curry would have to shoot more mid range shots and score in traffic more which I don't think are his comfort zones adding the extra physicality.

[Dro]

he was voted first team all nba in 93..

and you realize that Curry is 10x better than Price, right?

If Price was able to be a first team all nba player in that era, Curry would feast.
Sure Curry is 10x better than Price..because Curry is the GOAT and Price is some d-league player right? Can't take you serious with all the exaggeration, Curry doesn't need that, he's a great player on his own...

[LebronsHairline]

Curry would do fine because he's a tough deceptive light-skinned niqqa. He didn't back down from Beverly, he ain't gonna back down from kissing-magic-lil Isaiah "sweet cheeks" Thomas.

[Dro]

Who are you talking to? The few biased, old timers? Well, you think you will convince them otherwise coming from a guy who never saw that era? Please.

The rest of us realize Curry is a truly special and transcendent talent. He would be special in any era. So what's your point?
Its like Mark is talking to 3ball and 3ball's not even in the thread because most of the rest of us are being pretty level headed. I'm 35 ****ing years old, not 50, not some old timer....I've actually been an adult more during this era than the 80's and 90's so I don't have a bias one way or the other. I'd tell you in a heartbeat Steph is a better shooter than Reggie Miller and still tell you MJ is the GOAT...

It doesn't seem like its us trying to force our opinions down people's throats, its younger folks doing the other way around the way I see it...

[Dro]

Curry would do fine because he's a tough deceptive light-skinned niqqa. He didn't back down from Beverly, he ain't gonna back down from kissing-magic-lil Isaiah "sweet cheeks" Thomas.
:lol :cheers:

[Dro]

so your argument is that Curry would get bounced from the playoffs against the celtics, lakers and pistons.. ok ... not sure how that favors Jordan :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

If Curry has to face Lebron's all star team in the finals it will be safe to say that Jordan never faced a player as good with that good of a team around him in the finals.
So Jordan didn't face the Blazers, Suns or Sonics? Are you serious with this?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Shots fired. Everyone on TNT shitting on current era. :lol


I can pull a top 20 shooting guard from the 90s that was better than Klay Thompson. Miami Heat and especially Atlanta Hawk's era Steve Smith for example. People forgot how nice Steve Smith was when he used to play for the Atlanta Hawks, and Steve Smith was one of the most underrated passing shooting guards in NBA history.

[Dro]

Curry is much better than Stockton, he's on a completely different level

If Stockton and Price can excel in the 90's, what's stopping Curry..

stop this
He said AS A POINT GUARD, not as a player or a shooter...Stockton is a top 5 PG of all time in many eyes. So you're saying Steph Curry is a top 5 PG all time?

[90sgoat]

It's like these young guys grew up only with this new brand of basketball and simply don't understand what a real point guard used to be?

I've seen so many talk about point guards focusing mainly on the scoring while in the past a point guard was judged by assists.

It's two different games literally. NBA just isn't basketball in its pure form anymore. It's something else.

[Dro]

Stockton's assist numbers were inflated by dishonest stat keepers[/B] and the second highest scoring player of all time carrying him.

Malone is a 2 time MVP

Why does Stockton get all of the credit when the Jazz are mentioned?


Curry was never carried!
I KNOW you aren't using this as an argument. That is the main argument against TODAY'S assists numbers. Chris Paul anyone? Or have you been sleep for the past 10 years?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Prime Steve Smith's game was honestly similar to James Harden's game. A shooting guard that passes the ball a lot. Atlanta hawks low key had a squad back in 1995-1996. Mookie Blalock and Steve Smith was an underrated backcourt, and people forgot how nice Christian Laettner was in the mid 90s. He was still a disappointing player for his career, but christian did have a time period where he was a nice player back in the mid 90s. Christian was almost just as good as Kevin Love is. Laettner actually had a much better postup game than Kevin Love, but Kevin Love's a much better clutch shooter, and a much better rebounder than Laettner. Stacy Augmon was a beast in the mid 90s also. This Hawks team knocked prime Reggie Miller's Indiana pacers out of the play-offs. Steve Smith's one of the most underrated shooting guards in NBA history.:bowdown:

[Hopper15]

He said AS A POINT GUARD, not as a player or a shooter...Stockton is a top 5 PG of all time in many eyes. So you're saying Steph Curry is a top 5 PG all time?


When his career is all said and done without question. Curry is going to rack up a few more titles and MVP's. Stockton's resume doesn't include either.

[Dro]

Prime Steve Smith's game was honestly similar to James Harden's game. A shooting guard that passes the ball a lot. Atlanta hawks low key had a squad back in 1995-1996. Mookie Blalock and Steve Smith was an underrated backcourt, and people forgot how nice Christian Laettner was in the mid 90s. He was still a disappointing player for his career, but christian did have a time period where he was a nice player back in the mid 90s. Christian was almost just as good as Kevin Love is. Laettner actually had a much better postup game than Kevin Love, but Kevin Love's a much better clutch shooter, and a much better rebounder than Laettner. Stacy Augmon was a beast in the mid 90s also. This Hawks team knocked prime Reggie Miller's Indiana pacers out of the play-offs. Steve Smith's one of the most underrated shooting guards in NBA history.:bowdown:
Hey hey now!! No ragging on my Pacers! lol...j/k bro...

But we gotta include that Reggie missed those first 4 games of that series with the eye injury and he came back in game 5 to score 29 with the Horace Grant goggles....Reggie! Reggie! Reggie! lol...

[Dro]

When his career is all said and done without question. Curry is going to rack a few more titles and MVP's. Stockton's resume doesn't include either.
You can say that when his career is done. You can't automatically assume a guy will win 2-3 more MVPs and championships, no matter how good he is. Free agency, other things come into play. GS will not be world beaters for his entire career IMO, there's only one Spurs franchise...

Edit - and I still think people are really underrating just how good the rest of his team is.....Curry that is...

[juju151111]

He said AS A POINT GUARD, not as a player or a shooter...Stockton is a top 5 PG of all time in many eyes. So you're saying Steph Curry is a top 5 PG all time?
Yes of course Curry is a top 5 PG.:facepalm

[Hopper15]

You can say that when his career is done. You can't automatically assume a guy will win 2-3 more MVPs and championships, no matter how good he is. Free agency, other things come into play. GS will not be world beaters for his entire career IMO, there's only one Spurs franchise...

Edit - and I still think people are really underrating just how good the rest of his team is.....Curry that is...

Barring drastic injuries to the core it's a safe assumption. Draymond&Klay are both only 26 and still getting better and Curry is just entering his prime.

[juju151111]

You can say that when his career is done. You can't automatically assume a guy will win 2-3 more MVPs and championships, no matter how good he is. Free agency, other things come into play. GS will not be world beaters for his entire career IMO, there's only one Spurs franchise...

Edit - and I still think people are really underrating just how good the rest of his team is.....Curry that is...
Curry is one of the best PG ever already. 2 mvps,best shooter ever, one of the most efficient season ever, etc... Not many come clse to his resume.

[CuterThanRubio]

I KNOW you aren't using this as an argument. That is the main argument against TODAY'S assists numbers. Chris Paul anyone? Or have you been sleep for the past 10 years?


Go look at the assist differential between home and away games.


Stockton was getting the hook up!

You can't deny the truth.

Chris Paul is better than Stockton either way!

[PP34Deuce]

It's like these young guys grew up only with this new brand of basketball and simply don't understand what a real point guard used to be?

I've seen so many talk about point guards focusing mainly on the scoring while in the past a point guard was judged by assists.

It's two different games literally. NBA just isn't basketball in its pure form anymore. It's something else.


the new era of players are changing those definitions.

[tpols]

Yes of course Curry is a top 5 PG.:facepalm

what the **** is wrong with these guys lol

[Klayup]

It's like these young guys grew up only with this new brand of basketball and simply don't understand what a real point guard used to be?

I've seen so many talk about point guards focusing mainly on the scoring while in the past a point guard was judged by assists.

It's two different games literally. NBA just isn't basketball in its pure form anymore. It's something else.
Old dudes be like..."the NBA has gone soft!"

But they be the same dudes that complain about Draymond Green's screens, or Manu getting shoved by Waiters (Magic Johnson HIMSELF was complaining).

Are Dray's Screens or Dion's elbow any more against the rules than the Pistons assaulting MJ every time he drove?

So old dudes... Do you like physical basketball OR NOT? Or do you just need an excuse to discredit the current NBA? Why prop up the illegal antics of the Pistons but claim the same type of play today is "disgraceful?"

[Showtime80']

I like the NBA's physicality for the past few weeks in the playoffs and the problem is exactly that!!! ALLOW IT FOR THE WHOLE SEASON DAMN IT!!!

[TheMarkMadsen]

So Jordan didn't face the Blazers, Suns or Sonics? Are you serious with this?


and where did I say that? I swear you guys just make shit up to argue about

I said that none of the teams Jordan faced in the finals were led by a player who is as good as Lebron James with the type of supporting cast he currently has.

early 90's blazers were great teams, but Clyde isn't Lebron, neither is Barkley or Payton

[TheMarkMadsen]

He said AS A POINT GUARD, not as a player or a shooter...Stockton is a top 5 PG of all time in many eyes. So you're saying Steph Curry is a top 5 PG all time?


uh... obviously...

[Showtime80']

Uh dude, at present time LeBron took the Warriors to 6 games with Matthew Dellavadova as the second best player for God's sake!!!

Any of the Bulls 6 Finals opponents are better than what the sorry as! team LeBron took to the Finals last year!!!

Let's not even mention the fact that LeBron plays in the SORRIEST CONFERENCE OF ALL TIME where right know the second best player and team might actually be 34 year old Dwyane Wade and the pathetic Miami Heat!

[sportjames23]

Uh dude, at present time LeBron took the Warriors to 6 games with Matthew Dellavadova as the second best player for God's sake!!!

Any of the Bulls 6 Finals opponents are better than what the sorry as! team LeBron took to the Finals last year!!!

Let's not even mention the fact that LeBron plays in the SORRIEST CONFERENCE OF ALL TIME where right know the second best player and team might actually be 34 year old Dwyane Wade and the pathetic Miami Heat!

Real talk.

[OldSchoolBBall]

and where did I say that? I swear you guys just make shit up to argue about

I said that none of the teams Jordan faced in the finals were led by a player who is as good as Lebron James with the type of supporting cast he currently has.

early 90's blazers were great teams, but Clyde isn't Lebron, neither is Barkley or Payton

Err, '93 Barkley was better than current Lebron. Not better than '09-'14 Lebron, but current Lebron yes.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Uh dude, at present time LeBron took the Warriors to 6 games with Matthew Dellavadova as the second best player for God's sake!!!

Any of the Bulls 6 Finals opponents are better than what the sorry as! team LeBron took to the Finals last year!!!

Let's not even mention the fact that LeBron plays in the SORRIEST CONFERENCE OF ALL TIME where right know the second best player and team might actually be 34 year old Dwyane Wade and the pathetic Miami Heat!


I didn't say anything about last year, I said this year. Stop going off topic

you guys seriously just make up shit to argue about.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I don't give a shit about these "true" PG labels personally. For me, Curry is THAT dude and already behind Magic as the best I've seen at the position.

His resume might not be top 3-5 yet, but his peak is right there with anybodies save for maybe Magic.

[NBAGOAT]

I don't give a shit about these "true" PG labels personally. For me, Curry is THAT dude and already behind Magic as the best I've seen at the position.

His resume might not be top 3-5 yet, but his peak is right there with anybodies save for maybe Magic.

I think his peak has a good case for top 5 and even better than Magic. However, there's an argument from some people that no one was impactful as Magic on offense(similar argument for a guy like Nash) and that could put Magic ahead of Curry.

[Round Mound]

[B]Different Rules...Perimeter Players Have It Easier Now Than Back Then. I Do However Admit That He Is The Best Long Distance Off The Dribble Shooter Ever But I Can

[CuterThanRubio]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Different Rules...Perimeter Players Have It Easier Now Than Back Then. I Do However Admit That He Is The Best Long Distance Off The Dribble Shooter Ever But I Can

[Cleverness]

Old dudes be like..."the NBA has gone soft!"

But they be the same dudes that complain about Draymond Green's screens, or Manu getting shoved by Waiters (Magic Johnson HIMSELF was complaining).

Are Dray's Screens or Dion's elbow any more against the rules than the Pistons assaulting MJ every time he drove?

So old dudes... Do you like physical basketball OR NOT? Or do you just need an excuse to discredit the current NBA? Why prop up the illegal antics of the Pistons but claim the same type of play today is "disgraceful?"

lol yep

old dude: "back in my day we could punch guys in the face without it being called a foul..." but when they're commenting a game they do a 180 and say "OMG I THINK I SEE CONTACT - MUST BE A FOUL!!!"

better question is how long will the bad boys last? no talent won't last. they would not make the NBA and probably be playing street ball

[plowking]

The old dudes on here are so full of shit. They find like 6 GIFS and act like it was a constant throughout the era. :oldlol:
We have videos guys. We can see it wasn't. The only reason they think their era was so much more physical was because they were allowed to fight and push and shove a little more after a whistle, because the fines weren't as bad back in the day.

Why are players weighing in at nearly 20lbs more than in the 80's and 90's now? Everyone has already said that big men are apparently a little shorter, than why is the league average 20lbs heavier? The game is just as physical as it once was, players simpy don't act like idiots and fight each other on the court. Penalties are too harsh now.

[97 bulls]

Some of these guys are going to extremes here. No one is saying Curry wouldn't be great in any era. But it's all relative. The league has always had great shooters. Curry is the best all time. But the fact is that the league has changed the rules the rules in an effort to increase scoring from the perimeter. Why is this being ignored???

[97 bulls]

The old dudes on here are so full of shit. They find like 6 GIFS and act like it was a constant throughout the era. :oldlol:
We have videos guys. We can see it wasn't. The only reason they think their era was so much more physical was because they were allowed to fight and push and shove a little more after a whistle, because the fines weren't as bad back in the day.

Why are players weighing in at nearly 20lbs more than in the 80's and 90's now? Everyone has already said that big men are apparently a little shorter, than why is the league average 20lbs heavier? The game is just as physical as it once was, players simpy don't act like idiots and fight each other on the court. Penalties are too harsh now.
What does weight have to do with it?????

[Da_Realist]

Another talking head ex-player dissing today's league. Unprecedented.

Tracy McGrady --> http://deadspin.com/tracy-mcgrady-says-steph-curry-only-won-the-mvp-unanimo-1775893351

[plowking]

What does weight have to do with it?????

Why did Jordan put on weight and muscle after playing the Pistons?

[plowking]

Another talking head ex-player dissing today's league. Unprecedented.

Tracy McGrady --> http://deadspin.com/tracy-mcgrady-says-steph-curry-only-won-the-mvp-unanimo-1775893351

The internet age. Everyone has access. Everyone can talk shit. All these older guys are on television now. Can rant and complain about the league. "Back in my day" syndrome.

We can see bright as day no one can stop Curry, but apparently the Bad Boys would be punching him and kicking him when they played. :oldlol:

[97 bulls]

Why did Jordan put on weight and muscle after playing the Pistons?
To take the physical and ecessive punishment from the Pistons.

[97 bulls]

The internet age. Everyone has access. Everyone can talk shit. All these older guys are on television now. Can rant and complain about the league. "Back in my day" syndrome.

We can see bright as day no one can stop Curry, but apparently the Bad Boys would be punching him and kicking him when they played. :oldlol:
I think this is a little extreme. The argument is that Curry wouldn't be able to freely walk up the court at will without seeing heavy resistence. No one is saying he wouldn't be great

[97 bulls]

Anybody ever seen this video

https://youtu.be/Lf0QWssmKQM

[Klayup]

Some of these guys are going to extremes here. No one is saying Curry wouldn't be great in any era. But it's all relative. The league has always had great shooters. Curry is the best all time. But the fact is that the league has changed the rules the rules in an effort to increase scoring from the perimeter. Why is this being ignored???
Those rules generally benefit players who attack the basket (and even then, zone defenses kind of negate that advantage) and Steph isn't that type of player. You can't handcheck a guy if you're eating screens all night. GS's offense is designed around getting bad switches and wide open shots rather than trying to ISO and take guys off the dribble.

[plowking]

To take the physical and ecessive punishment from the Pistons.

So why would players today be heavier and stronger? :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

I think this is a little extreme. The argument is that Curry wouldn't be able to freely walk up the court at will without seeing heavy resistence. No one is saying he wouldn't be great
That's the thing, Madsen and others have already disproven this crap.
There were plenty of players that freely walked the ball up, and even so, you act like Curry doesn't have the handles to destroy someone in the back court anyway.

[97 bulls]

So why would players today be heavier and stronger? :oldlol:
Lol. Not because of any kind of Uber physicality

[97 bulls]

That's the thing, Madsen and others have already disproven this crap.
There were plenty of players that freely walked the ball up, and even so, you act like Curry doesn't have the handles to destroy someone in the back court anyway.
No. The point is that back then, guys will actually get into Currys shirt, and force him to drive the lane where guys like a Laimbeer would be waiting for him. With either a hard foul, or a block shot. And if you don't think a couple elbows to the face won't make a guy think twice about the outcome of driving to the basket, then you're being naive.

[97 bulls]

Those rules generally benefit players who attack the basket (and even then, zone defenses kind of negate that advantage) and Steph isn't that type of player. You can't handcheck a guy if you're eating screens all night. GS's offense is designed around getting bad switches and wide open shots rather than trying to ISO and take guys off the dribble.
Right. And the beauty if Curry is his ability to attack the basket. Thus helping his ability to create space oj the perimeter. Guys have to a count for that. But again. It's what happens when he attacks. And let's not forget. The role of fhe Center has changed. Playing defense on the perimeter is much easier when you have a quality defensive center backing you up. And. And. He able to patrol the paint because he doesn't have to worry about the defensive three second rule.

[raprap]

Curry is going to make Dumars look like a hs player. :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

No. The point is that back then, guys will actually get into Currys shirt, and force him to drive the lane where guys like a Laimbeer would be waiting for him. With either a hard foul, or a block shot. And if you don't think a couple elbows to the face won't make a guy think twice about the outcome of driving to the basket, then you're being naive.


Man this just is not true. There were plenty of players of Currys stature who played in the league during that time and they were still great players.

Y'all associate the bad boy pistons and Jordan getting roughed up in the paint.. But Curry dominates from 30ft away.

High screens are high screens in any era and will free up a shooter in any era. I watched the entire nuggets vs bulls game last night from 96 where Chros Jackson lit the Bulls up and he was playing almost a identical to Curry. He came off screens, shot threes, runners, you name it he did it. Jordan was guarding him for some of these buckets too, so if he could play that way against one of the goat teams, what's stopping a better player in Curry from dominating with the same style?

[Da_Realist]

Curry's own coach knows there's a difference

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs (3 mins in)

[97 bulls]

Man this just is not true. There were plenty of players of Currys stature who played in the league during that time and they were still great players.

Y'all associate the bad boy pistons and Jordan getting roughed up in the paint.. But Curry dominates from 30ft away.
He can because the league rules make it easier for him. How are you not getting this? I don't feel teams are worse today. Just different. It's just evolution.



High screens are high screens in any era and will free up a shooter in any era. I watched the entire nuggets vs bulls game last night from 96 where Chros Jackson lit the Bulls up and he was playing almost a identical to Curry. He came off screens, shot threes, runners, you name it he did it. Jordan was guarding him for some of these buckets too, so if he could play that way against one of the goat teams, what's stopping a better player in Curry from dominating with the same style?
Right. You watched ONE game. A great game by a player like Curry who over his career was at best a 19 ppg scorer.

I personally think the team's would be better off making Curry attack the basket. Reason being that by the end of rhe game, he'd be tired out to finish. That along with actually making him play defense.

[Round Mound]

He hit one shot and now he is the one who sent them to the finals?

Karl Malone says hi

Stockton is NOT top 5

Yes He Is a Top 5 PG of All Time

Lets Remember That Stockton Took Over In The Last Quarter

Stockton = Clutch. Malone = Zero Clutch

Stockton Sent the Jazz to the 97 Finals.

[Im Still Ballin]

Stockton Took Over In The Last Quarter

Stockton = Clutch. Malone = Zero Clutch

Stockton Sent the Jazz to the 97 Finals.
Malone was better than Charles. FACE IT.

[Round Mound]

Malone was better than Charles. FACE IT.

He Had A Better Longevity...Thats It

Skill Wise He Aint Even Close to Barkley!...I Know It, You Know It, The Whole World Knows It!

[Im Still Ballin]

Karl's 89-90 season where he averaged 31/11 is better than ANYTHING charles did.

[CuterThanRubio]

Yes He Is a Top 5 PG of All Time

Lets Remember That Stockton Took Over In The Last Quarter

Stockton = Clutch. Malone = Zero Clutch

Stockton Sent the Jazz to the 97 Finals.


Don't worry, I'm making a thread tomorrow addressing this myth.

It will probably die because people don't care about or remember Stockton, but I think it will be worth it.

[Round Mound]

Karl's 89-90 season where he averaged 31/11 is better than ANYTHING charles did.

With The GOAT Passing and Creating PG Designing All His Pick and Rolls While Barkley Had Nobodies.

Malone Shot 46% FG In The Play-Offs and Only 3 Times Over 50% in 19 Years or so. Thats SG Level Shooting.

Malone Was Only Better 96 Unwards When Chuck Declined To Back, Knee and Weight Problems.

[bigkingsfan]

KJ= Nobody :rolleyes:

[Round Mound]

KJ= Nobody :rolleyes:

[B]Nope. KJ Was a Great 1st Drive-Score PG...But He Made Nobody Better. Malone Had The Most Unselifsh and Best Creator of Offense Ever Designing Everything For Him For 99% of His Career. Plus in His 1st 9 Years He Had The Best Rim Protector and Shot Blocker In The NBA In Mark Eaton and Thurl Baily Was No Joke: A 6

[bigkingsfan]

That has more to do with CB style than anything, he wasn't a catch and shoot player like Malone. Always held onto the ball, the five second rule was created because of players like him. KJ was getting 10+ assist per game before ever playing with Chuck.

[Dro]

No. The point is that back then, guys will actually get into Currys shirt, and force him to drive the lane where guys like a Laimbeer would be waiting for him. With either a hard foul, or a block shot. And if you don't think a couple elbows to the face won't make a guy think twice about the outcome of driving to the basket, then you're being naive.
They've never seen a guy like Derek Harper who is allowed to keep one hand on your hip the entire time and steer you in the direction he wants you to go. Curry nor anybody else is freely dribbling anywhere if he's proving to be that dominant.

Nobody's going to ****ing guard Robert Pack 94 feet but if Curry is taking 30 foot 3 pointers and making them, his ass will be guarded, especially if he's playing the bad boys....They employed the Jordan rules and knocked his ass around whenever he penetrated, same thing would happen to Steph if he's proving to be that dominant. Then he's gotta keep getting back up and avg. 30+. Nobody's saying he can't, we're saying thats what he'll be doing.

Allen Iverson, one of the toughest guards ever, took a beating....

ALL of the guards took a beating....And Steph will too unless he's planning on doing nothing but launching 3's....The league WAS more physical...that doesn't mean you're not going to find examples of lazy defense, no defense, whatever...Stop being so petty. But you know what you won't find today? Handchecking or hard fouls. Hard fouls today are flagrants. Draymond Green is an exception, he'd transfer to any era easily.