T-Mac on Curry's unanimous MVP - "it just tells you how watered down our league is"

[Young X]

https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/730121498552324097

He still says it's well deserved, but he thinks Curry winning it unanimously shows how watered down our league is in terms of competition and superstars.

Agree or Disagree?

[Ben Simmons]

Curry
Durant
Lebron
Kawhi

Would be elite in any era

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Media age. People shook af now to speak their mind or have their own opinions. Backlash. PC/social justice warrior era.

[sportjames23]

Curry
Durant
Lebron
Kawhi

Would be elite in any era

But only in this era could one of them win the MVP unanimously. Put any of them back in the 80s thru 2000s. I doubt any of them wins more than one MVP, and definitely not unanimously.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Thing is though if you take Curry's season and put it up against most MVP's from other era's, it's pretty clear that Steph season was better.

[Ben Simmons]

But only in this era could one of them win the MVP unanimously. Put any of them back in the 80s thru 2000s. I doubt any of them wins more than one MVP, and definitely not unanimously.
Only because it's much easier to attack voters in this new social media age.

[Klayup]

Compared to that garbage East that he barely made the playoffs in?

[guy]

Curry
Durant
Lebron
Kawhi

Would be elite in any era

I really doubt Kawhi would be considered that great in other eras.

[Ben Simmons]

I really doubt Kawhi would be considered that great in other eras.
Dude is an elite defender. Imagine if he was allowed to handcheck. :biggums:

[livinglegend]

Another old bitter loser. :facepalm

[riseagainst]

I really doubt Kawhi would be considered that great in other eras.


:biggums:

[Young X]

Thing is though if you take Curry's season and put it up against most MVP's from other era's, it's pretty clear that Steph season was better.But would it be unanimous with a prime Hakeem or Magic, or Bird or Shaq or Kobe or Wade in the league with him? Would he be overshadowing everybody like he is now?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

I really doubt Kawhi would be considered that great in other eras.

This guy serious? Back to back DPOY as a perimeter player without handchecking and ELITE shooter from everywhere on the floor.

:wtf:

[Kblaze8855]

It mostly shows that voters arent being idiots and voting against the obvious choice to make a point. Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Wilt, and Kareem should all have undisputed MVPS. Some writer(player back in the day) being an idiot and voting for someone like Jeff Ruland(1st place vote over Bird when his team won 35 games) doesnt mean the winner didnt deserve every vote. Just that they didnt get it because people dont take the voting serious. Nobody wanted to be the one bullshit vote and be called out on it this time.

All it means.


Mike Bantam....the 4th leading scorer on a 32 win Suns team...got a first place MVP vote one year....when Kareem put up 30/14 and Mcadoo 35/14.

He got a first place vote.

It isnt/wasnt about the league being watered down. Its just...nobody decided to be an idiot this year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

But would it be unanimous with a prime Hakeem or Magic, or Bird or Shaq or Kobe or Wade in the league with him? Would he be overshadowing everybody like he is now?

If he was winning 73 games while breaking numerous records in the process.. yes.

[golden24boy]

oh man...austin rivers would kill bob cousy 1on1...please just...Jordan era where John Stockton was best point guard, and mark price averaged 20/10...
Hand checking??? curry can go around screens...like reggie miller did and curry is better than reggie miller who was superstar back than....just stop comparing and apreciate greatness

[Young X]

This guy serious? Back to back DPOY as a perimeter player without handchecking and ELITE shooter from everywhere on the floor.

:wtf:...in a league without many all-time great defensive anchors.

There's no Olajuwon/Robinson/Ewing/Mourning/Mutombo or Wallace/Duncan/Garnett. Is Leonard still the b2b DPOY competing against those guys?

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him but this is where T-Mac is coming from.

[r15mohd]

If he was winning 73 games while breaking numerous records in the process.. yes.

during the 72-10 Bulls run, I dont think MJ broke any records (3ball will certainly confirm :rolleyes: ) however, he was leading in almost all offensive categories, and also one of the best defenders in the league that year, and still did not win unanimously.

curry plays offense, and tho he is great offensively, he plays little to no defensive. so for TMAC to indicate this unanimous vote was watered down, it's not something far fetched.

[Showtime80']

Thank you Traci McGrady!!!

Do you honestly think Steph and the Warriors win 73 games and Steph only plays 34 minutes in the late 80's with a 23 team league and going up against:

Showtime Lakers-6 times
Utah Jazz- 6 times-
Houston Rockets- 6 times
Dallas Mavs- 6 times
Nuggets- 6 times
Pistons- 2 times
Celtics- 2 times
Bulls- 2 times
Blazers- 6 times
Bucks- 2 times
Hawks- 2 times

That's 52 games against teams with multiple all-stars and hall of famers like Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan, Wilkins, Stockton, Malone, Drexler etc...

No he would not be unanimous MVP to say the least!

[AirBonner]

I think it is hilarious that all of these washed up old timers are so bitter about players and the accomplishments of this generation. Notice no ACTUAL GOAT players are talking shit. Because they are not stupid.

[Rake2204]

For the record, I'm not sure McGrady even knew what he was saying. On one hand he said the league was watered down because Curry won unanimously (seemingly suggesting no one else was good enough to even justify one vote). Then a moment later he came out and said he thought LeBron James deserved to earn a vote. I think he was just winging it for the television.


It mostly shows that voters arent being idiots and voting against the obvious choice to make a point. Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Wilt, and Kareem should all have undisputed MVPS. Some writer(player back in the day) being an idiot and voting for someone like Jeff Ruland(1st place vote over Bird when his team won 35 games) doesnt mean the winner didnt deserve every vote. Just that they didnt get it because people dont take the voting serious. Nobody wanted to be the one bullshit vote and be called out on it this time.

All it means.


Mike Bantam....the 4th leading scorer on a 32 win Suns team...got a first place MVP vote one year....when Kareem put up 30/14 and Mcadoo 35/14.

He got a first place vote.

It isnt/wasnt about the league being watered down. Its just...nobody decided to be an idiot this year.On point, as usual.


during the 72-10 Bulls run, I dont think MJ broke any records (3ball will certainly confirm :rolleyes: ) however, he was leading in almost all offensive categories, and also one of the best defenders in the league that year, and still did not win unanimously.

curry plays offense, and tho he is great offensively, he plays little to no defensive. so for TMAC to indicate this unanimous vote was watered down, it's not something far fetched.I don't think anyone would have complained if Jordan had won unanimously in '96. The only other guys to snag a first place vote were Penny Hardaway (2 votes), Hakeem Olajuwon (1 vote), and Karl Malone (1 vote, seventh overall). It wasn't exactly a diverse decision, more just some random voters throwing a bone to some next guys up.

Just the same, I think some folks could have easily placed a vote for Russell Westbrook, Kawhi Leonard, or LeBron James this year depending upon their personal theories on what it means to be a league's most valuable player. But combining an all-time record season team record (73-9) with the on-court madness we saw from Curry seemingly every night (playing the game in a manner for which we've never seen), it was the perfect storm to prevent those lone wolves from going off and picking a Westbrook or James (both of whom were incredible this year).

[RoseCity07]

The Warriors playing the Rockets and Blazers in the first round tells you that. The Warriors winning 73 games tells you that. The MVP trophy is welll earned. Lebron should have gotten some votes though.

[TheMarkMadsen]

during the 72-10 Bulls run, I dont think MJ broke any records (3ball will certainly confirm :rolleyes: ) however, he was leading in almost all offensive categories, and also one of the best defenders in the league that year, and still did not win unanimously.

curry plays offense, and tho he is great offensively, he plays little to no defensive. so for TMAC to indicate this unanimous vote was watered down, it's not something far fetched.


little to no defense yet he led the league in steals


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[guy]

This guy serious? Back to back DPOY as a perimeter player without handchecking and ELITE shooter from everywhere on the floor.

:wtf:

21/7/3 with the elite defense may still be considered elite. Scottie Pippen was considered elite so maybe he would be elite, although Im still not sure I would put him on Pippens level. He wouldn't be considered as great as he is today though in most eras. As in he wouldn't be top 2 in MVP voting, first-team all-NBA, a top 5 player in the league, etc. I'm not saying he couldn't be capable of doing more or that the media back then would necessarily be right in their assessment, but this exact season he had wouldn't be considered as great back then.

I don't really agree with T-mac anyway. The unanimous MVP has more to do with voters just being smarter this year cause there definitely should've been unanimous MVPs before. 91 Jordan, 92 Jordan, 96 Jordan, 00 Shaq, 10 Lebron, 13 Lebron all come to mind.

[aarondk88]

t-mac is so old and bitter. sounds like a woman. smh

[aarondk88]

little to no defense yet he led the league in steals


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

leading the league in steals doesn't make someone an elite defender. jus sayin

[TheMarkMadsen]

I saw an interview where Wilt was downplaying Jordan, saying that his flashy dunks which make him so popular wouldn't be allowed in his day because he would get knocked out and criticized for showboating

now fans from Jordan's era are saying the same stuff about Curry, I doubt that Jordan will say anything negative because I'm sure he remembers what guys like Wilt were saying in his days about him

[TheMarkMadsen]

leading the league in steals doesn't make someone an elite defender. jus sayin


the guy that I was responding to said Curry played no defense

hard to play no defense while you lead the league in steals

[aarondk88]

the guy that I was responding to said Curry played no defense

hard to play no defense while you lead the league in steals

ohhh ok I got u. didn't read the the previous post u responded to. my bad

[r15mohd]

little to no defense yet he led the league in steals


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


would you rather average at best as word play? :confusedshrug: we can probably list close to 25-30 players who he is no better than defensively this past season. his defense is horrible when comparing the MVP voting and it's worth in parallel to MJ who lead the team in much of the same success, however was easily a top5 defender and undoubtedly the best offensive player during the 72-10 year.

[3ball]

.
.............Top 10 MVP vote-getters



......1996.........................2016........... .............2000

Michael Jordan........... Steph Curry............... Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson.......... Kawhi Leonard............ Kevin Garnett
Hakeem Olajuwon...... Lebron James............. Tim Duncan
Karl Malone............... Kevin Durant.............. Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen............ Russell Westbrook...... Alonzo Mourning
Gary Payton.............. Chris Paul.................. Gary Payton
Grant Hill.................. Draymond Green........ Grant Hill
Shawn Kemp............. James Harden............ Chris Webber
Penny Hardaway........ Kyle Lowry................. Vince Carter
Shaquille O'Neal........ Damian Lillard............ Jason Kidd


#1 thru #3 - let's say it's equal.. a WASH

#4 and #5 - 2016 wins with Durant and Westbrook, and #6 is a wash with dpoy Payton vs. Paul

#8 thru #10 - 2016 gets DESTROYED - Carter/Webber/Kidd (2000) and Kemp/Penny/Shaq (1996) destroy Harden/Lowry/Lillard

Now let's get back to #7... Grant Hill is one of the best lane-penetrating SF's in history, even though he didn't have teammates to spread the floor for him like today's game - his game would EXPLODE with today's spacing, especially the Warriors' goat 3-point shooting.. Grant Hill would be a top 3-4 player in today's game and destroys Draymond, whose rudimentary skills and moves benefit from today's spacing.
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[Young X]

When you really think about it, I think it's safe to say the top players back when MJ and Magic were winning MVP's were better than this era or any other era's top players.

You're looking at...

MJ
Magic
Bird
Barkley
Hakeem
Malone
Stockton
Ewing
Robinson
McHale
Drexler
Wilkins
Thomas
Price
K. Johnson
etc.

Ridiculous.

[3ball]

t-mac is so old and bitter. sounds like a woman. smh


Tmac played in BOTH eras, so he's very credible..

Btw, Kobe (who also played in both eras) said the same thing:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=kobe+says+defense+is+soft

[NattyPButter]

The MVP will start to be givin to offensive only players now. I think MVPs should be good at offense and good on defense. They should be able to carry most teams in the league. Curry depends on other defensive players to do his work for him. Doesn't even gaurd opposing teams PGs. Hell he wasnt even the leading assisit man on his team and he's the PG.

[brain drain]

TMac's comments only show how watered down TMac's brain is.

MVP is a media award and getting an unanimous vote versus getting an overwhelming vote like 120-1 or 120-3 just means that no single member of the voting media had an axe to grind or whatever crazy reason to vote for guy x somebody else even though practically everybody else agrees that guy y should get the award.

Oh, and btw, we had a few near-unanimous, overwhelming votes, right during TMac's active career: Shaq in 2000 (1 dissenting vote), Garnett in 04 (3 dissenting votes).

[Showtime80']

Thank you thank you YoungX!!!

That era was just STACKED!!! Today you have scrubs like Kyle Lowry and DeMar Derozen making all star teams!!!!

As far as Tracy, I think he's right but he needs to tone it down a little bit, he thinks he played in the 80's the way he's talking. He's part of the latter half of the HORRIBLE HIP HOP GENERATION that RUINED basketball in the early 2000's along with Jordan wannabe pretenders like Vince, Iverson, Marbury, Francis, Baron Davis, Webber etc...

Loved the NBA from 1995 to 1998 when the 80's players PAST THEIR PRIME in Barkley, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Olajuwon, Drexler, Malone, Stockton etc... absolutely beat THE SNOT OUT OF THE 90'S posers in Shaq, Penny, Mourning, Hill, Kidd, Kemp, Payton, Mashburn, LJ, Webber, Wallace etc...

They would've done the same to the overrated pus!ies of today where guys like Harden, Westbrick, Cousins and Leonard are considered elite!!!

[Showtime80']

Steve friggin Nash won 2 MVP's after the rule changes... Let that sink in for a minute

[TheMarkMadsen]

When you really think about it, I think it's safe to say the top players back when MJ and Magic were winning MVP's were better than this era or any other era's top players.

You're looking at...

MJ
Magic
Bird
Barkley
Hakeem
Malone
Stockton
Ewing
Robinson
McHale
Drexler
Wilkins
Thomas
Price
K. Johnson
etc.

Ridiculous.


listing names in this fashion is intellectually dishonest with no context

When Jordan won his 2nd MVP this was the ballot

Magic (this was his last real year)
D Rob
Barkley
Malone
Drexler
Kevin Johnson

By the time he won his 3rd MVP this was the ballot

Clyde Drexler
D Rob
Malone
Ewing
Mullin


Lebron is better than all of those guys, and besides 91 Magic, KD is better than Clyde and any of those other guys

[r15mohd]

Steve friggin Nash won 2 MVP's after the rule changes... Let that sink in for a minute


honestly, the voting for Nash actually represented the word "valuable" during this time - and why he beat out guys like Kobe these years. Kobe was surely the best player, but value wise - Nash turned those Suns' squads into viable threats - and why he got the award

Curry is undoubtedly the best player the past 1-2 yrs, but in terms of value - Lebron has that title (solidly stamped in last years Finals, and has been for however many of the past years if you look into it.

[jstern]

What did Shaq called that guy who didn't vote for him that one year he got all 1st place votes except for that person who wanted to stand out.

Also those posters saying that the Jordan era sucked because they had freaking John Stockton, and Mark Price and that they sucked because they were white just sound so ignorant.

Not because of the players, just the racial point. And that's because I have experience with legit low IQ people who base whole points on the race of a person. So they just sound like utter morons.

It lowers the ISH IQ even further, and for that the mods should seriously consider banning them.

[Mr. Jabbar]

T-Who?

[SilkkTheShocker]

People like Jamal Maglore made the all-star team when Tmac was in his prime

[FKAri]

Thank you thank you YoungX!!!

That era was just STACKED!!! Today you have scrubs like Kyle Lowry and DeMar Derozen making all star teams!!!!

As far as Tracy, I think he's right but he needs to tone it down a little bit, he thinks he played in the 80's the way he's talking. He's part of the latter half of the HORRIBLE HIP HOP GENERATION that RUINED basketball in the early 2000's along with Jordan wannabe pretenders like Vince, Iverson, Marbury, Francis, Baron Davis, Webber etc...

Loved the NBA from 1995 to 1998 when the 80's players PAST THEIR PRIME in Barkley, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Olajuwon, Drexler, Malone, Stockton etc... absolutely beat THE SNOT OUT OF THE 90'S posers in Shaq, Penny, Mourning, Hill, Kidd, Kemp, Payton, Mashburn, LJ, Webber, Wallace etc...

They would've done the same to the overrated pus!ies of today where guys like Harden, Westbrick, Cousins and Leonard are considered elite!!!

Do you understand how awful end of the bench guys were in the 80's? I don't think you do. The gap between stars and role players was enormous in the 80's. And it wasn't just in basketball. Even in soccer this was true. Maradonna would never carry single handedly carry a team today like he did Napoli back then.

Why does this happen? Level of competition and pool of players. When these things are lowered, the gap between the 10th best and the 100th best looks enormous.

[TheMarkMadsen]

What did Shaq called that guy who didn't vote for him that one year he got all 1st place votes except for that person who wanted to stand out.

Also those posters saying that the Jordan era sucked because they had freaking John Stockton, and Mark Price and that they sucked because they were white just sound so ignorant.

Not because of the players, just the racial point. And that's because I have experience with legit low IQ people who base whole points on the race of a person. So they just sound like utter morons.

It lowers the ISH IQ even further, and for that the mods should seriously consider banning them.


no, people are saying that Curry would get bullied in that era, couldn't play with the physicality

but guys who were smaller like Stockton and Price were all nba players in that era

so the argument is stupid

[Young X]

listing names in this fashion is intellectually dishonest with no context

When Jordan won his 2nd MVP this was the ballot

Magic (this was his last real year)
D Rob
Barkley
Malone
Drexler
Kevin Johnson

By the time he won his 3rd MVP this was the ballot

Clyde Drexler
D Rob
Malone
Ewing
Mullin


Lebron is better than all of those guys, and besides 91 Magic, KD is better than Clyde and any of those other guysI'm just comparing the top stars in the late 80's/early 90's to this era. I wasn't focusing specifically on single year MVP ballots.

There was simply more elite competition in that era than there is now or in any other era. Disagree? Show me your list.

[DonDadda59]

Curry
Durant
Lebron
Kawhi

Would be elite in any era

Kawhi in the 90s = Scottie Pippen without the play making ability.

Pip in '92 (Bulls won 67)- 21/8/7, 2nd team all NBA

Kawhi in '16 (Spurs won 67)- 21/7/3, DPOY, 2nd in MVP voting

Still elite, but nowhere near the level he enjoys now.

[r15mohd]

no, people are saying that Curry would get bullied in that era, couldn't play with the physicality

but guys who were smaller like Stockton and Price were all nba players in that era

so the argument is stupid


those are the same fools who say Lebron would be manhandled if he played back then too becuase of how he plays in this league - yet those same posters complains how he pushes his way to the paint and gets his, it is stupid.:facepalm

great players can transition and adapt to any era of basketball - Wilt could dominate today, however he'd just have a harder time doing so with the more wide-spread talent rather than seeing someone like Bi11 every so often. but i dont take away him be GOAT level

no doubt Steph could play in the league too, but he'd have to deal with the more rough environment as well as taking on defensive demons like MJ and Pippen, and get laid out when trying to sneak his way through the paint. his shot would be money tho - so they'd have to respect him from half-court in.

[jstern]

no, people are saying that Curry would get bullied in that era, couldn't play with the physicality

but guys who were smaller like Stockton and Price were all nba players in that era

so the argument is stupid

No you're stupid and ignorant. At least that's my complete vibe with your constant talk about a player being white.

Nobody is saying that Curry wouldn't be a good player in that era. People just, for good logical reasons think he wouldn't be as elite. As in the best in the world. And that includes Steve Kerr.

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=146

Also Tracy McGrady is part of the Kobe generation. He's younger than Kobe. He's not a 90s player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm just comparing the top stars in the late 80's/early 90's to this era. I wasn't focusing specifically on single year MVP ballots.

There was simply more elite competition in that era than there is now or in any other era. Disagree? Show me your list.

MJ was competing against Drexler, Barkley, D Rob, Penny, Malone, Grant Hill and Gary Payton for 4/5 MVP's

That is much more genuine than acting like he was battling prime Bird, Magic, Isiah, etc, etc, every time he won MVP

Curry is battling against Lebron ,KD, WB, Kawhi

Lebron is better than any of those guys Jordan beat out from 92-98, KD probably is too

[NattyPButter]

when is the player's reward? I loved last year how the players did their own award for who they thought should won.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No you're stupid and ignorant. At least that's my complete vibe with your constant talk about a player being white.

Nobody is saying that Curry wouldn't be a good player in that era. People just, for good logical reasons think he wouldn't be as elite. As in the best in the world. And that includes Steve Kerr.

https://youtu.be/HHoD9UCBgcs?t=146

Also Tracy McGrady is part of the Kobe generation. He's younger than Kobe. He's not a 90s player.


I said like one thing about Price being white you moron :oldlol:

Move past that and realize he's 6 foot, 170 pounds and was an all nba first team guard next to Jordan in 93, Price wasn't even half as good as Curry yet was still able to produce at an all nba first team level in that era.

You guys are seriously delusional if you think Curry wouldn't dominate in an era where John Stockton (a smaller player who had no problem playing against this "physical" defense) was the best point guard for a decade :oldlol:

[nba_55]

MJ was competing against Drexler, Barkley, D Rob, Penny, Malone, Grant Hill and Gary Payton for 4/5 MVP's

That is much more genuine than acting like he was battling prime Bird, Magic, Isiah, etc, etc, every time he won MVP

Curry is battling against Lebron ,KD, WB, Kawhi

Lebron is better than any of those guys Jordan beat out from 92-98, KD probably is too

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

main argument coming from these guys claiming Steph wouldn't be as good is

"you're stupid, 90's was so physical"

yeah must be why guys like Mugsy Bouges were starting point guards, Stockton was the best point guard and Chris Jackson averaged 20ppg playing the same style as Curry. Price was an all nba first team player

and none of them are anywhere near the player Curry is


So if they can produce at their best in that era, why wouldn't Curry :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

and then you add in the shortened 3pt line

GAME OVER

[Showtime80']

Why don't we compare players from 3 to 8 best players of the contending teams from the late 80's

Lakers:

Worthy
Scott
Cooper
Green
Thompson
Rambis

Pistons:

Laimbeer
Rodman
Dantley
Microwave
Mahorn
Edwards

Celtics:

Parish
DJ
Ainge

Mavs:

Harper
Tarpley
Donaldson
Schrempf

Compare that to the PATHETHIC rosters of the top four teams from last years final four and what would be THIS YEAR'S FINAL four specially if Toronto makes it, LOL!!!! You needed 4 to 6 all-star caliber players to win titles in the 80's not this big 2 or 3 current bullsh!t!

And you conveniently left off Jordan's 1988 MVP where he beat out Bird, Magic, Wilkins, Olajuwon, Barkley, Drexler and Karl Malone!!!!

Who's Curry competing against against?, 31 year old LeBron and career patsy Durant?!?! Hell of a competition!

[Young X]

MJ was competing against Drexler, Barkley, D Rob, Penny, Malone, Grant Hill and Gary Payton for 4/5 MVP's

That is much more genuine than acting like he was battling prime Bird, Magic, Isiah, etc, etc, every time he won MVP

Curry is battling against Lebron ,KD, WB, Kawhi

Lebron is better than any of those guys Jordan beat out from 92-98, KD probably is tooI never tried to act like MJ was battling those guys every time he won his MVP's.

I'm talking about a specific time period when Magic and MJ were battling for the award which was likely the best era in terms of superstars. McGrady is saying this era is watered down in terms of superstars.

[nba_55]

I never tried to act like MJ was battling those guys every time he won his MVP's.

I'm talking about a specific time period when Magic and MJ were battling for the award which was likely the best era in terms of superstars.

Your post was misleading. You made it seem like Jordan was competing with guys like Bird for his MVP when it wasn't true at all. We can also put names of stars from 2 different decades and act like it was so hard to get MVPs.

Shaq
Durant
Kobe
Lebron
Duncan
Curry
Nash
Nowitzki
Wade
Garnett
Duncan
etc.

[Showtime80']

THANK YOU STEVE KERR!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

"YOU CAN'T TOUCH ANYBODY IN THE NBA ANYMORE OR IT'S A FOUL"!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Any by the way, how many titles and MVP's did Price and Stockton win during the 80's and 90's?!? A BIG FAT ZERO!!!!

Yet Steve Nash (A lesser player than Stock and Price) can win two MVP'S in the current "modern NBA"

LOL!!!!

[nba_55]

THANK YOU STEVE KERR!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

"YOU CAN'T TOUCH ANYBODY IN THE NBA ANYMORE OR IT'S A FOUL"!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Any by the way, how many titles and MVP's did Price and Stockton win during the 80's and 90's?!? A BIG FAT ZERO!!!!

Yet Steve Nash (A lesser player than Stock and Price) can win two MVP'S in the current "modern NBA"

LOL!!!!

calm down bro

[DingDengDong]

I really doubt Kawhi would be considered that great in other eras.
He would absolutely be elite.

[Showtime80']

Again NBA 55_

Michael won the MVP in 1988 with a crap team. These were the top 8:

Jordan
Bird
Magic
Barkley
Drexler
Olajuwon
Karl Malone

That list BLOW AWAY this year's list!!!

[DingDengDong]

Btw, I think T-Mac meant this as a dis more towards LeBron and company rather than Curry.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I never tried to act like MJ was battling those guys every time he won his MVP's.

I'm talking about a specific time period when Magic and MJ were battling for the award which was likely the best era in terms of superstars. McGrady is saying this era is watered down in terms of superstars.


and during the era where Jordan was winning rings and setting records for most games won, the main superstars were Shaq, Penny, Payton, Drexler, Barkley, Hakeem.

In the era where Curry is winning rings, setting record and winning MVP's the main superstars are Lebron, KD, Westbrook, Kawhi.

That doesn't look watered down to me.. The only thing watered down about today league is that 4 out of the 5 best players play in the same conference..

Was T Mac even talking about Jordan's era, are you sure he wasn't talking about his own?

Because if he was, there's a better argument to be made.. T Mac's era features prime Duncan, peak Shaq, peak/prime Kobe who are three of the top 15 players ever no matter how jaded somebody might be on them

Then you had guys like young Lebron, Wade, Dirk, AI,

There's a better argument for the early 2000's than there is for the mid 90's IMO

[MiseryCityTexas]

The Shaq and Kobe era of basketball was the last great era of basketball. Seriously could Klay Thomspon hang with the top NBA sgs of the early 2000s? Hell No.

[jstern]

I said like one thing about Price being white you moron :oldlol:

Move past that and realize he's 6 foot, 170 pounds and was an all nba first team guard next to Jordan in 93, Price wasn't even half as good as Curry yet was still able to produce at an all nba first team level in that era.

You guys are seriously delusional if you think Curry wouldn't dominate in an era where John Stockton (a smaller player who had no problem playing against this "physical" defense) was the best point guard for a decade :oldlol:

You mentioned stuff about being white in another thread.

Mark Price was a really good point guard who would benefit from the current perimeter friendly rules.

You're judging his game based on his weight and height, and not specifically what he brought to the table as a point guard. He and Curry play two different styles. And since Curry plays with rules that cater him the most, with a team that really open things up for him, it is logical to assume that his numbers would drop off.

You seem to take such opinion as someone saying that he would not be in the league.

Comparing Curry to Kobe, out of the two I would say Curry's game would suffer the most, because even though Kobe is not as great of a shooter as Curry, his game was more developed, had more subtleties.

The harder you make the rules for a perimeter player, Kobe > Curry, the more where you make it like a video game where your team can produce 3s without working as hard for them, Curry > Kobe.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I like how these guys think only 90's players would benefit from playing today

as if guys like Curry wouldn't dice up the league with a shorter 3pt line, or that in a league who's rules encourage iso ball, Curry wouldn't dominate that either.

I watched Chris Jackson drop 32 on the 96 bulls last night by getting 99% of his points from high screens and pull up Jumpers with Michael Jordan and Ron Harper guarding him

but Curry, who is much better than Jackson.. couldn't do that on a consistent basis?


and please, what does Price bring to the table that Curry doesn't.. seriously are you about to go tell me that Stockton > Curry like these guys in that other thread..

[CuterThanRubio]

THANK YOU STEVE KERR!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

"YOU CAN'T TOUCH ANYBODY IN THE NBA ANYMORE OR IT'S A FOUL"!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Any by the way, how many titles and MVP's did Price and Stockton win during the 80's and 90's?!? A BIG FAT ZERO!!!!

Yet Steve Nash (A lesser player than Stock and Price) can win two MVP'S in the current "modern NBA"

LOL!!!!

Nash is better than Stockton and Price.

Slow down!

[Sarcastic]

No one said Curry couldn't play in the 1980s or 1990s. He just wouldn't average 30 like he does now. He average 20 or below just like Mark Price and Chris Jackson did.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No one said Curry couldn't play in the 1980s or 1990s. He just wouldn't average 30 like he does now. He average 20 or below just like Mark Price and Chris Jackson did.


so Price and Jackson averaged 20 and you think that's where Curry would max out at..??

So you're basically saying that scoring wise, Price is just as good as Curry

GTFO

[Young X]

Your post was misleading. You made it seem like Jordan was competing with guys like Bird for his MVP when it wasn't true at all. We can also put names of stars from 2 different decades and act like it was so hard to get MVPs.

Shaq
Kobe
Lebron
Duncan
Curry
Nash
Nowitzki
Wade
Garnett
Duncan
etc.This isn't the same thing. Come one man. :facepalm

Shaq retired before Curry was even a star. These are 2 completely different eras. Everybody I mentioned was in the same era (late 80's/early 90's). AKA the era where Magic and MJ were battling eachother for MVP's every year like I said.

and during the era where Jordan was winning rings and setting records for most games won, the main superstars were Shaq, Penny, Payton, Drexler, Barkley, Hakeem.

In the era where Curry is winning rings, setting record and winning MVP's the main superstars are Lebron, KD, Westbrook, Kawhi.

That doesn't look watered down to me.. The only thing watered down about today league is that 4 out of the 5 best players play in the same conference..

Was T Mac even talking about Jordan's era, are you sure he wasn't talking about his own?

Because if he was, there's a better argument to be made.. T Mac's era features prime Duncan, peak Shaq, peak/prime Kobe who are three of the top 15 players ever no matter how jaded somebody might be on them

Then you had guys like young Lebron, Wade, Dirk, AI,

There's a better argument for the early 2000's than there is for the mid 90's IMOI'm not talking about the mid 90's though. Compare the early 00's to the late 80's/early 90's and see which one was better.

[sd3035]

Did t-mac ever get out of the first round? :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

This isn't the same thing. Come one man. :facepalm

Shaq retired before Curry was even a star. These are 2 completely different eras. Everybody I mentioned was in the same era (late 80's/early 90's). AKA the era where Magic and MJ were battling eachother for MVP's every year like I said.
I'm not talking about the mid 90's though. Compare the early 2000's to the late 80's/early 90's and see which one was better.


why are you looking at the 80's and early 90's for Jordan?

That'd be like looking the league in 09-12 when talking about Curry's era

this discussion of "watered down league" is based off of how the league is right now, with Curry winning his 2nd MVP and on his way to a potential 2nd ring

Jordan won his 2nd ring in 92 and won 4/5 MVP's from 91-98

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[DingDengDong]

Did t-mac ever get out of the first round? :lol
He briefly came out of retirement to ride the Spurs bench to the Finals in 2013.

[jstern]

I like how these guys think only 90's players would benefit from playing today

as if guys like Curry wouldn't dice up the league with a shorter 3pt line, or that in a league who's rules encourage iso ball, Curry wouldn't dominate that either.

I watched Chris Jackson drop 32 on the 96 bulls last night by getting 99% of his points from high screens and pull up Jumpers with Michael Jordan and Ron Harper guarding him

but Curry, who is much better than Jackson.. couldn't do that on a consistent basis?


and please, what does Price bring to the table that Curry doesn't.. seriously are you about to go tell me that Stockton > Curry like these guys in that other thread..

I love how now the 90s had a shorten 3 point line for the whole decaded rather than two years.

And about Curry and Price, it's just so simplistic to compared two players with two different styles, a scorer vs a point guard, who do things differently.

Didn't Jackson score most of those points the first half, did the Bulls not adjust and then blew Denver out? I think he only scored 10 in the second half. Did you watch the highlights or did you watch the whole game to see what adjustments Phil Jackson made? And wow, 32 points. Chris Jackson was no scrub, but 32 points is not 50.

Again, league put in place perimeter friendly rules, and for a reason, so while Curry will still be a star, his production will go down a bit. More so than someone as skilled and can score in more ways like a Kobe.

[Young X]

why are you looking at the 80's and early 90's for Jordan?

That'd be like looking the league in 09-12 when talking about Curry's era

this discussion of "watered down league" is based off of how the league is right now, with Curry winning his 2nd MVP and on his way to a potential 2nd ring

Jordan won his 2nd ring in 92 and won 4/5 MVP's from 91-98

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:If you noticed I didn't just bring up Michael Jordan, I mentioned Magic Johnson too. I mentioned those two because I'm talking about the time period when they were competing against eachother for the #1 and #2 spot in the league. It's not that complicated man.

The late 80's and early 90's was also when MJ played the best basketball of his career. Curry wasn't even a notable player from '09-'12 so that comparison makes no sense.

[Showtime80']

Thank you again Young X!!!

Michal was dominant and transcendent from the FIRST GAME HE PLAYED IN THE NBA!!!

Curry wasn't sh!t for the first 4 to 5 years of his 7 year career!!!!

[NBAGOAT]

Agree with Young X if if you look at the early 90's type era. Can't really think of an era with more superstars. However, don't see it all for Tmac's era. Also Curry would score at least 25ppg even in a physical era, no one's had his 3pt shooting at the pg position. People also forget teams didn't defend the 3 pt line as hard back then because it wasn't as big a threat so Curry could possibly get more catch and shoot opportunities which are even easier shots for him. My only worry is he plays with an old school coach who still insists on playing through some mediocre post player instead of him just because most teams played that way.

Edit: maybe not a great idea creating this thread. Maybe the most toxic discussions come in era comparison threads.

[warriorfan]

https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/730121498552324097

He still says it's well deserved, but he thinks Curry winning it unanimously shows how watered down our league is in terms of competition and superstars.

Agree or Disagree?

that washed up stupid choking n igga only has one eye that works he probably just listens to the game on the radio and shit

f ucking losers

[juju151111]

Thank you again Young X!!!

Michal was dominant and transcendent from the FIRST GAME HE PLAYED IN THE NBA!!!

Curry wasn't sh!t for the first 4 to 5 years of his 7 year career!!!!
He was injured. People were saying he was the best shooter ever since 13 after he finally got healthy. Actually Curry was good his first year and no way anyone in the 90s have seen anything like Curry. Mark price is just a example, but is nowhere near thr confidence or superstar MJ was. The point was people could survive in 80s amd 90s playing pike Curry, but Curry is on another level then Price.

[NBAGOAT]

I'm just comparing the top stars in the late 80's/early 90's to this era. I wasn't focusing specifically on single year MVP ballots.

There was simply more elite competition in that era than there is now or in any other era. Disagree? Show me your list.

I'll give it a try. I'll look at 13-16 since those are Curry's really relevant years. Try to name guys who at least were all nna guys.

Curry, Lebron, Durant,Kobe(in 13), Duncan(in 13 at least),Dirk(for a couple of years), Wade, Melo, Kawhi, Westbrook, CP3, Harden, Blake, Paul George.

[sd3035]

T-mac said the eastern conference sucks

[ArbitraryWater]

why are you looking at the 80's and early 90's for Jordan?

That'd be like looking the league in 09-12 when talking about Curry's era

this discussion of "watered down league" is based off of how the league is right now, with Curry winning his 2nd MVP and on his way to a potential 2nd ring

Jordan won his 2nd ring in 92 and won 4/5 MVP's from 91-98

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:













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[sd3035]

Wasn't it during T-Mac's prime that a Chauncey Billups led team won the title?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Wasn't it during T-Mac's prime that a Chauncey Billups led team won the title?

This pretty much just shows and proves how much talent the NBA had back then compared to today.:oldlol:

[Derka]

Has nothing to do with the League and everything to do with media people doing the voting.

Also, TMac was always a watered down competitor so he'd know a thing or two wouldn't he? League was so watered down his sorry ass spent a season in China :lol

[Young X]

I'll give it a try. I'll look at 13-16 since those are Curry's really relevant years. Try to name guys who at least were all nna guys.

Curry, Lebron, Durant,Kobe(in 13), Duncan(in 13 at least),Dirk(for a couple of years), Wade, Melo, Kawhi, Westbrook, CP3, Harden, Blake, Paul George.Those guys are fantastic but are they f*cking with Michael, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Thomas, ...do I even need to go on?

[MiseryCityTexas]

People only live for the here and now. People forgot how nice Chauncy Billups was back in the early 2000s. Billups back then was just as good as current Curry, and Bilups actually took home the finals MVP unlike Curry.

[sd3035]

T-Mac was only able to average single digits in today's league during his early 30s, then he went to the CBA and dropped 25 ppg after he retired

seems like he's shook

[juju151111]

Those guys are fantastic but are they f*cking with Michael, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Thomas, ...do I even need to go on?
How is LJ arguably the greatest SF and the goat PF not messing with them? Dirk just has good has malone. Dwade is 3rd best SG. Cp3 is up there.

[Kblaze8855]

there's some absolute bullshit about Mark Price in this topic.....

[NBAGOAT]

Those guys are fantastic but are they f*cking with Michael, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Thomas, ...do I even need to go on?

some of them no. Curry 2016 and Lebron 2013 isn't that much worse than Michael, magic if at all. Bird had one great year in 88 and fell off so I'll compare him with Kobe(ik Bird was a lot better from 90-92 still than Kobe was the last few years). Barkley and KD isn't too bad of a comparison. Isaiah at that point of his career was past him prime so I'll just use Wade even though Isaiah was most likely better. Really have no idea for hakeem, malone, or stockton, 3 guys who were near the beginning of their prime. Maybe someone like Kawhi, AD, and/or Paul George could get even better and prove themselves(doubt it) but we won't know for like 5 years at least.

[Dro]

People only live for the here and now. People forgot how nice Chauncy Billups was back in the early 2000s. Billups back then was just as good as current Curry, and Bilups actually took home the finals MVP unlike Curry.
Ok, ok, I'm sick of the Curry crap too but Billups is nowhere near the player that Curry is, lol...

[juju151111]

some of them no. Curry 2016 and Lebron 2013 isn't that much worse than Michael, magic if at all. Bird had one great year in 88 and fell off so I'll compare him with Kobe(ik Bird was a lot better from 90-92 still than Kobe was the last few years). Barkley and KD isn't too bad of a comparison. Isaiah at that point of his career was past him prime so I'll just use Wade even though Isaiah was most likely better. Really have no idea for hakeem, malone, or stockton, 3 guys who were near the beginning of their prime. Maybe someone like Kawhi, AD, and/or Paul George could get even better and prove themselves(doubt it) but we won't know for like 5 years at least.
Towns will be a superstar

[Hopper15]

People only live for the here and now. People forgot how nice Chauncy Billups was back in the early 2000s. Billups back then was just as good as current Curry, and Bilups actually took home the finals MVP unlike Curry.

lol I must of missed when Billups reached the 50/40/90 club.

[MiseryCityTexas]

there's some absolute bullshit about Mark Price in this topic.....

If a time machine existed and we were able to transport the mid to late 80s Cavs teams and place them in today's era of baksteball, Mark Price and Ron Harper would probably hang with the Splash Brothers. I know prime Ron Harper would definitely destroy Klay Thompson because Ron Harper was an excellent one on one defender, and he had a quick first step and could easily drive by Klay Thompson for a layup/dunk.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Ok, ok, I'm sick of the Curry crap too but Billups is nowhere near the player that Curry is, lol...

Curry's been a solid player his whole pro career, while Billups was an athletic bum when he first came into the league.

[Klayup]

If a time machine existed and we were able to transport the mid to late 80s Cavs teams and place them in today's era of baksteball, Mark Price and Ron Harper would probably hang with the Splash Brothers. I know prime Ron Harper would definitely destroy Klay Thompson because Ron Harper was an excellent one on one defender, and he had a quick first step and could easily drive by Klay Thompson for a layup/dunk.
A team that lost in the first round 2 times would give the defending champions issues??

[MiseryCityTexas]

Brad Daugherty was much better than Andrew Bogut.

[NBAGOAT]

If a time machine existed and we were able to transport the mid to late 80s Cavs teams and place them in today's era of baksteball, Mark Price and Ron Harper would probably hang with the Splash Brothers. I know prime Ron Harper would definitely destroy Klay Thompson because Ron Harper was an excellent one on one defender, and he had a quick first step and could easily drive by Klay Thompson for a layup/dunk.

the Mark Price stuff in here is disrespectful but it's mostly been used to make a point. Price was an all-nba guy and a popular early comparison for Curry and most people would agree Curry is clearly better so it's easy to argue Curry would still be elite in that era. However, you're overrating Price, you're basically putting him on the level of chris paul which he's not. The way you described Harper on offense sounds like Demar Derozan which is a comparison I heard. Both athletic scorers who werent great at the midrange but relied on it a lot.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Larry Nance was also a much better player than Harrison Barnes also.

[NBAGOAT]

Larry Nance was also a much better player than Harrison Barnes also.

why are you comparing nance to barnes when nance played pf. Compare him to Draymond and I think Draymond has a good case over him.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Nance played small forward in Cleveland. Hot Rod Williams started at power forward.

[Klayup]

the Mark Price stuff in here is disrespectful but it's mostly been used to make a point. Price was an all-nba guy and a popular early comparison for Curry and most people would agree Curry is clearly better so it's easy to argue Curry would still be elite in that era. However, you're overrating Price, you're basically putting him on the level of chris paul which he's not. The way you described Harper on offense sounds like Demar Derozan which is a comparison I heard. Both athletic scorers who werent great at the midrange but relied on it a lot.
Mark Price also couldn't guard a chair. CP3 is a good to great defender. Curry is below avg to avg depending how quick the guy he's guarding is. Price was doodoo though.

[Milbuck]

People only live for the here and now. People forgot how nice Chauncy Billups was back in the early 2000s. Billups back then was just as good as current Curry, and Bilups actually took home the finals MVP unlike Curry.
Good god. Curry absolutely shits on any form of Billups ever, it's not remotely close.

[NBAGOAT]

Nance played small forward in Cleveland. Hot Rod Williams started at power forward.

uh no did you watch the Cavs. Hot Rod was their 6th man most of the time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The Price comparisons is just to show that a player of Curry's size (price was atually smaller) was able to be an all nba caliber player during that era. Everybody acts like Curry is too small to handle the physicality of the 90's, but if a guy who was smaller than Curry was able to handle it, why wouldn't Curry be able to as well?

[ArbitraryWater]

People only live for the here and now. People forgot how nice Chauncy Billups was back in the early 2000s. Billups back then was just as good as current Curry, and Bilups actually took home the finals MVP unlike Curry.


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[theaussieguy]

sorry who is this bum again?

[guy]

Your post was misleading. You made it seem like Jordan was competing with guys like Bird for his MVP when it wasn't true at all.

Jordan and Bird were second and third in MVP voting in 87 and first and second in MVP voting in 88. They were absolutely competing with each other for MVPs during that time.

In fact, if you look at the MVP voting in the 80s/early 90s, Jordan and Magic were arguably more of a threat to each other then Bird and Magic were.

I'm not sure who came up with this narrative that Bird and Magic weren't part of Jordan's "competition".

[guy]

Kawhi in the 90s = Scottie Pippen without the play making ability.

Pip in '92 (Bulls won 67)- 21/8/7, 2nd team all NBA

Kawhi in '16 (Spurs won 67)- 21/7/3, DPOY, 2nd in MVP voting

Still elite, but nowhere near the level he enjoys now.

This is what I was saying earlier. The fact that Kawhi shows up as fourth on that guy's list, and deservingly so, kind of supports the argument that stars today aren't as good.

[MiseryCityTexas]

People on here lying. Hot Rod Williams was the starting power forward for the Cavs in the mid 80s.:oldlol:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Hot Rod started in majority of duels against Jordan, and even if he didn't, he got starter minutes.

[Jacks3]

People only live for the here and now. People forgot how nice Chauncy Billups was back in the early 2000s. Billups back then was just as good as current Curry, and Bilups actually took home the finals MVP unlike Curry.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MiseryCityTexas]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/williho01/gamelog/1987/

[MiseryCityTexas]

Billups won finals MVP. Curry will probably win it this year.

[MiseryCityTexas]

People on here acting like Chauncy Billups was just some scrub. He was a monster in the early to mid 2000s.

[NBAGOAT]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/williho01/gamelog/1987/

:roll: how dumb are you. You bring up the Cavs from 87 when they didn't even have Nance. Everyone was talking about the 88-93 Cavs where everyone knows Hot Rod was the 6th man.

[MiseryCityTexas]

:roll: how dumb are you. You bring up the Cavs from 87 when they didn't even have Nance. Everyone was talking about the 88-93 Cavs where everyone knows Hot Rod was the 6th man.
He started in the year after that too stupid ****.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Larry Nance was past his prime by the time the Cavs got him and he was still a better player than current Barnes:oldlol:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Hot Rod didn't become a 6th man until the late 80s early 90s.

[NBAGOAT]

He started in the year after that too stupid ****.

just like half of that year. Every other year for that Cavs core, he was a 6th man.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Billups and the Pistons beat the legendary ShaKobe Lakers while Curry dominated a Lebron team with no Love, and no Kyrie. Kyrie was killing Curry before he got hurt:oldlol:

[SwayDizzle]

The league is def watered down now but the top 5 players would dominate any era. Curry's season was nothing short of spectacular. If he were doing the same sh*t during Jordan's prime then we would be looking at Jordan very differently.

[Straight_Ballin]

https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/730121498552324097

He still says it's well deserved, but he thinks Curry winning it unanimously shows how watered down our league is in terms of competition and superstars.

Agree or Disagree?

Why is it that when a former NBA player speaks the truth, current era squirms and protests? He's 100% correct but we didn't need 100% unanimous voting to tell us that. :lol

If Marc Price was same age as Curry playing in current era, he'd be doing the same exact things as Curry is doing.

[tmacattack33]

But only in this era could one of them win the MVP unanimously. Put any of them back in the 80s thru 2000s. I doubt any of them wins more than one MVP, and definitely not unanimously.

Current Curry would be unanimous in many years. The competition for number 2 was a little lower than usual, but still, Curry was historically great offensively and deserved it.

[sportjames23]

Current Curry would be unanimous in many years. The competition for number 2 was a little lower than usual, but still, Curry was historically great offensively and deserved it.

Which years would Curry be unanimous? Especially since it's never happened before.

[PickernRoller]

Everyone's finally coming out and taking a dump on this weak ass league.

We've been screaming it for ages now... 2010 and onwards was literally the turning point of no return.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Dan Issell would probably avg 25 13 in today's league.

[Cleverness]

I like how we start naming 20-30 great players from the past 40 years as if everyone was in their prime at the same time on goat teams.

[Cleverness]

Everyone's finally coming out and taking a dump on this weak ass league.

We've been screaming it for ages now... 2010 and onwards was literally the turning point of no return.

yeah, cause in 2009 the league was at its peak... Turkoglu's NBA Finals Magic, Mo Williams' Cavs, Carmelo Anthony's Nuggets, injured KG's Celtics... what a time:bowdown: :bowdown:

[LakersForlife]

lmao AI dominated against these old bums without having a 3 point shot. the pretentious faks thinks they could stop curry. if AI could dominate without a 3 point shot curry could easily average 40 against prime tmac

[SpaceJam]

http://media.tumblr.com/28eaf1c1d4c724a13003f6ff205910eb/tumblr_inline_n8l0kk9uvI1r8wkkd.gif

[nashwade]

The Warriors playing the Rockets and Blazers in the first round tells you that. The Warriors winning 73 games tells you that. The MVP trophy is welll earned. Lebron should have gotten some votes though.

MVP is when you sit and your team goes 1-13

Not when you sit and your team cruise past the first round

don't get me wrong, he's good and every team would love to have him. just that he is not MVP in the traditional sense

[bigkingsfan]

MVP is when you sit and your team goes 1-13

Not when you sit and your team cruise past the first round

don't get me wrong, he's good and every team would love to have him. just that he is not MVP in the traditional sense
Bulls won two less games after Jordan retirement.

[nashwade]

Billups and the Pistons beat the legendary ShaKobe Lakers while Curry dominated a Lebron team with no Love, and no Kyrie. Kyrie was killing Curry before he got hurt:oldlol:

It looks likely that Cavs will go to the Finals and the one chance for Lebron to prove something - beat the team that set the regular season record and the guy who won unanimous MVP vote

Lebron is gone if he loses again - it is that important

[Poetry]

It looks likely that Cavs will go to the Finals and the one chance for Lebron to prove something - beat the team that set the regular season record and the guy who won unanimous MVP vote

Lebron is gone if he loses again - it is that important

Winner gets to play the hero in Space Jam 2.

[Cali Syndicate]

Media age. People shook af now to speak their mind or have their own opinions. Backlash. PC/social justice warrior era.

yup. Curry did have an amazing season though, not only on an individual level but also with record breaking team success. Hard not to have voted for him.

[Bawkish]

Bulls won two less games after Jordan retirement.

then lost in the 2nd round, after having a 3-peat dynasty

[plowking]

Everyone's finally coming out and taking a dump on this weak ass league.

We've been screaming it for ages now... 2010 and onwards was literally the turning point of no return.

Yep, conveniently it was weak right after Kobe stopped winning according to you. :oldlol:

Despite playing the Orlando Magic, who along with the 2007 Cavs and 2003 New Jersey Nets are some of the worst teams ever to make the finals.

[bigkingsfan]

then lost in the 2nd round, after having a 3-peat dynasty
MVP is a regular season award, that point is moot.

[3ball]

.
..........................................Hand-checking



It's harder to get off jumpers and drive against hand-checking and perimeter physicality:



http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



The defense Curry and Lebron face is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l3972wjCJXPy5B9YI/giphy.gif



Here's real hand-checking again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



and flag football:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was most prevalent and effective at IMPEDING the act of driving, which is specifically illegal in today's game (the gif below is a foul in today's game):


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Compare to Steph Curry's unimpeded drive against Lebron - Lebron can't touch Curry to impede his drive or it's a a foul:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif

Here's more examples of hand-checking impeding a drive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif


NO COMPARISON

[UK2K]

T-Mac is 100% correct.

Not to say Curry isn't good, he's easily the best shooter ever. But look at the Cavs, their 'Big 3'.

Karl Malone would eat Kevin Love alive. Seriously. Kevin Love's soft ass wouldn't stand a chance.

Big 3? Ok, so is Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes gonna guard MJ? Cause the other is going to guard Pippen. Oh and Dramyond? Yeah 11 rpg is awesome, but that's not happening if he's trying to box out Rodman.

Shaq would ****ing dominate in this league. It's a joke to even compare the NBA now to the NBA 20 years ago.

[Asukal]

It's funny how Curry won unanimously while leflop is still in the league. Would never happen in Jordan's era. :oldlol:

[Dro]

People on here acting like Chauncy Billups was just some scrub. He was a monster in the early to mid 2000s.
No, you said he was as good as CURRENT Curry...which is absolutely ridiculous....

[PP34Deuce]

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It's harder to get off jumpers and drive against hand-checking and perimeter physicality:



http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



The defense Curry and Lebron face is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l3972wjCJXPy5B9YI/giphy.gif



Here's real hand-checking again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



and flag football:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was most prevalent and effective at IMPEDING the act of driving, which is specifically illegal in today's game (the gif below is a foul in today's game):


https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif



Compare to Steph Curry's unimpeded drive against Lebron - Lebron can't touch Curry to impede his drive or it's a a foul:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif

Here's more examples of hand-checking impeding a drive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif


NO COMPARISON


3Ball, those examples you show of new era players have a different context. Defenders in those videos were trying not to give up a 3 and playing close. I've seen teams live with Curry driving to the basket than getting hyped for a 3 pointer.

I get what you are saying but those Curry examples are bad. Every defender is playing him up close but loose so they don't commit a 3 shot foul. They live with him driving to the paint as long as a Big rotates in time.

[FKAri]

It's funny how Curry won unanimously while leflop is still in the league. Would never happen in Jordan's era. :oldlol:
Kind of like how Barkley nabbed an MVP from peak Jordan :lol ?

A weak minded soft player who couldn't stop himself from eating twinkies got an MVP over MJ. And you're comparing that dude to the GOAT shooter who put up the greatest season ever since Wilt.

[NBAGOAT]

T-Mac is 100% correct.

Not to say Curry isn't good, he's easily the best shooter ever. But look at the Cavs, their 'Big 3'.

Karl Malone would eat Kevin Love alive. Seriously. Kevin Love's soft ass wouldn't stand a chance.

Big 3? Ok, so is Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes gonna guard MJ? Cause the other is going to guard Pippen. Oh and Dramyond? Yeah 11 rpg is awesome, but that's not happening if he's trying to box out Rodman.

Shaq would ****ing dominate in this league. It's a joke to even compare the NBA now to the NBA 20 years ago.

Why are you comparing guys like Malone to the 3rd best player on the Cavs or Warriors. Malone and Shaq had good arguments as best player at their position. Love's only a top 5 pf. Could you imagine Jeff Hornacek or Avery Johnson trying to guard guys like Harden or CP3. It goes both ways.

[Showtime80']

Go watch the 1997 and 1998 Playoff Matchups between the Jazz and Lakers where the Jazz with and OLDER Malone, Stockton and Hornacek absolutely MURDERED one of the most athletic teams in HISTORY with guys like Shaq, Campbell, Kobe, Fisher, Jones, Van Excel, HOrry, Fox all in their 20's!!!

And they did it with MAN TO MAN defense were supposedly great athletes would eat "slow white guys" alive!!!

Please NBAGOat, John Stockton was ELITE for almost 3 decades of basketball playing against Magic, Isiah, Price, Cheeks, Payton, Penny, Timmy Hardaway, Porter, Harper, Iverson just to name a few...

So now Chris "Perennial looser" Paul and James "Blockhead" Harden are going to give him trouble. LOL!!!

[Dro]

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..........................................Hand-checking



It's harder to get off jumpers and drive against hand-checking and perimeter physicality:



http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif





NO COMPARISON
Look at how all the defenders just sag back in the paint as soon as MJ starts to drive....crazy..

[Showtime80']

Unbelievable!!! The other 4 Pistons are basically playing zone!!!

Who the hell was Isiah, Laimbeer, Microwave and Salley guarding in that GIF!

[tpols]

Unbelievable!!! The other 4 Pistons are basically playing zone!!!

Who the hell was Isiah, Laimbeer, Microwave and Salley guarding in that GIF!


nobody, because all of the other four guys outside can't shoot.

On a team today, that would be a wide open 3 for a teammate or a wide open lane for MJ.

Evolution of the game.

[bluechox2]

even mcgrady washed away so early...

[NBAGOAT]

Go watch the 1997 and 1998 Playoff Matchups between the Jazz and Lakers where the Jazz with and OLDER Malone, Stockton and Hornacek absolutely MURDERED one of the most athletic teams in HISTORY with guys like Shaq, Campbell, Kobe, Fisher, Jones, Van Excel, HOrry, Fox all in their 20's!!!

And they did it with MAN TO MAN defense were supposedly great athletes would eat "slow white guys" alive!!!

Please NBAGOat, John Stockton was ELITE for almost 3 decades of basketball playing against Magic, Isiah, Price, Cheeks, Payton, Penny, Timmy Hardaway, Porter, Harper, Iverson just to name a few...

So now Chris "Perennial looser" Paul and James "Blockhead" Harden are going to give him trouble. LOL!!!

you're definitely putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned stockton once in my post. Yes the Jazz destroyed the Lakers, it wasn't because of horny however. I was being facetious, guy I was replying to was talking about how Malone would dominate Love; why couldn't I do the same with CP3 and someone like Avery Johnson.

[ImKobe]

Kind of like how Barkley nabbed an MVP from peak Jordan :lol ?

A weak minded soft player who couldn't stop himself from eating twinkies got an MVP over MJ. And you're comparing that dude to the GOAT shooter who put up the greatest season ever since Wilt.

What happened to Barkley's team in the Finals? What are MJ's numbers for that series? :oldlol:

Curry has won MVP twice over Lebron and is on course to beat him in the Finals AGAIN

Jordan beat every guy who won the MVP over him in the 90s (Malone and Barkley)

[Odinn]

It mostly shows that voters arent being idiots and voting against the obvious choice to make a point. Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Wilt, and Kareem should all have undisputed MVPS. Some writer(player back in the day) being an idiot and voting for someone like Jeff Ruland(1st place vote over Bird when his team won 35 games) doesnt mean the winner didnt deserve every vote. Just that they didnt get it because people dont take the voting serious. Nobody wanted to be the one bullshit vote and be called out on it this time.

All it means.


Mike Bantam....the 4th leading scorer on a 32 win Suns team...got a first place MVP vote one year....when Kareem put up 30/14 and Mcadoo 35/14.

He got a first place vote.

It isnt/wasnt about the league being watered down. Its just...nobody decided to be an idiot this year.
Well, this is true. But I'll say what I said a while back;
If Shaq didn't win his MVP award in 2000, no-one ever should've.
Curry definetely deserved his MVP, no doubt, no contest. And I wouldn't mind his award being won unanimously, if Shaq got his unanimously.