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konex
05-12-2016, 01:19 AM
Make him give the ball up

Ben Simmons
05-12-2016, 01:21 AM
Because if you double your team is going 3 defending 4

konex
05-12-2016, 01:26 AM
You have to give up something. I wouldn't let Curry blow by my bugs or shake them for open 3s. Surely some intelligent team will make the other Warriors beat them

NBAGOAT
05-12-2016, 01:26 AM
the screen man is usually draymond. Letting him take an open 3 or playmake as the roll man isn't exactly a great option for the defense either.

konex
05-12-2016, 01:28 AM
the screen man is usually draymond. Letting him take an open 3 or playmake as the roll man isn't exactly a great option for the defense either.

Better than Curry

34-24 Footwork
05-12-2016, 01:33 AM
A lot easier said than done.....bottom line. Sometimes the switch is the better option him finding a rolling Bogut/Draymond.

We get caught up in his shooting, but dude is the best passer in basketball, as well.

Klayup
05-12-2016, 07:13 AM
Make him give the ball up
The Clippers were the first team to do this consistently.

If you hard trap Steph he's going to give it up to Draymond, who will take two hard dribbles towards the lane.

If no one comes to help it's a free layup, if someone leaves Barnes or Klay in the corner you give up a wide open 3.

Pick your poison.

sportjames23
05-12-2016, 07:17 AM
You have to give up something. I wouldn't let Curry blow by my bugs or shake them for open 3s. Surely some intelligent team will make the other Warriors beat them


GOATbrook and the Thunder

LOL

Im Still Ballin
05-12-2016, 07:24 AM
Few reasons

Firstly

Due to quality team play/ball movement/screens/etc, without a switch you are giving up open shots a lot of the time.. With a guy like Curry, you can understand why you'd never want to give him ANY space for a 3. In a lot of cases, a mismatch is better than an open, if only slightly, 3, for a guy like Curry. This is why I feel that the counter to these 3pt frenzy killer teams today, on the defense side is positionless, switching defense. 5 players on the court that can defend multiple positions.. We've seen teams do this.. You need some unique talent.

Another reason teams like to switch... For forced mismatch, which leads to predictable offense

Depends on circumstance. Spurs will sometimes force a mismatch here and there. With today's level of help defense/strongside flooding... It's easy to defend against predictable offense like a mismatch isolation...

keep-itreal
05-12-2016, 07:27 AM
I think the Lebron/Wade era Heat team would be able to consistently stop the Dubs with their elite perimeter defense

Im Still Ballin
05-12-2016, 07:29 AM
I think the Lebron/Wade era Heat team would be able to consistently stop the Dubs with their elite perimeter defense
They'd be the best defense to stop them no doubt

Trap/switch heavy frenzy.. The only real weakness was a bigman who could score

Klayup
05-12-2016, 09:31 AM
I think the Lebron/Wade era Heat team would be able to consistently stop the Dubs with their elite perimeter defense
Yep. They'd give us all kinds of hell. Although Chalmers would have to guard someone (probably Barnes unfortunately) and our bench wrecks their bench.

r15mohd
05-12-2016, 09:58 AM
pretty sure the many talented coaches have thrown every option their way with little to no success for the most part

Curry can't be stopped from hitting shots because his range is basically endless, and we see how badly switches and double teams can hurt opponents. GSW is just stacked with firepower for almost all approaches. the only angle IMO is to try to slow down the pace - worked a bit in last years finals, and it worked the game the Spurs beat them this year.

anyone who tries to run with GSW is going to lose, you can't outpace them - and also reason why I think this newly found Cavs approach may backfire. GSW masters this, and the Cavs would need to execute to almost perfection to have it follow through against GSW.

PP34Deuce
05-12-2016, 10:07 AM
pretty sure the many talented coaches have thrown every option their way with little to no success for the most part

Curry can't be stopped from hitting shots because his range is basically endless, and we see how badly switches and double teams can hurt opponents. GSW is just stacked with firepower for almost all approaches. the only angle IMO is to try to slow down the pace - worked a bit in last years finals, and it worked the game the Spurs beat them this year.

anyone who tries to run with GSW is going to lose, you can't outpace them - and also reason why I think this newly found Cavs approach may backfire. GSW masters this, and the Cavs would need to execute to almost perfection to have it follow through against GSW.


One thing I've seen with Lue is he is taking a few things from Golden State but they still play defense and slow it down when they need to. Lebron has taken the "Draymond" role and you are seeing Kyrie take the Curry role. What it's going to take to beat Golden State is truly limit Dray and Klay. Shumpert and Smith actually match up well to defend Klay and Lebron and Tristan can defend Dray.

Curry will score regardless and while his shots can energize a team. if you commit to taking those 2 guys out of the game. Half the battle is won. Iggy is beat up and not as athletic as he used to be. Barnes just doesn't have consistency and I don't see it happening.

Obviously I'm not a coach, but these are my opinions to increasing your chances of beating golden state.

konex
05-16-2016, 09:55 PM
OKC trap working pretty well so far

plowking
05-16-2016, 10:37 PM
I think the Lebron/Wade era Heat team would be able to consistently stop the Dubs with their elite perimeter defense

Those Heat teams always gave up a lot of threes. Not so sure.

90sgoat
05-16-2016, 10:46 PM
The Clippers were the first team to do this consistently.

If you hard trap Steph he's going to give it up to Draymond, who will take two hard dribbles towards the lane.

If no one comes to help it's a free layup, if someone leaves Barnes or Klay in the corner you give up a wide open 3.

Pick your poison.

Yeah, this is why GSW is the ultimate team of this era. They perfectly exploit spacing (rules and shooting).

konex
05-30-2016, 10:15 PM
OKC didn't allow this the first 4 games but suddenly they are letting it happen. I even saw Ibaka not come off Curry when KD told him too. To be fair, he recovered and blocked the shot but allowing this is crazy. Klay and Steph are mostly scoring by finding the mismatch and they will beat you by themselves if you allow this.

Akrazotile
05-30-2016, 10:21 PM
As others have said, it'll just give Curry too many open shots. You have to take your chances with him shooting over a big than shooting pulling up point blank while his defender is busy fighting through a screen.

Now, a lot of times you see teams switch no matter what, even on guys like Rondo, which makes NO sense. I remember the Clippers used to do this under Dunleavy and I just couldnt understand wtf they were thinking.

But against Curry, it's pretty much the lesser of two evils.