Curry vs Lebron: Who is more "Valuable"?

[Nick Young]

Who is the more valuable player between Lebron and Curry?

I am speaking purely about basketball, not value in terms of their net worth or money they generate for their franchise.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The Warriors without Curry would still be WCF. Cleveland without LeBron would be fighting for a playoff spot in the East. Curry deserves his award. But he isn't more valuable than LeBron.

[Im Still Ballin]

There's a reason why they call him the greatest of all time.

[Klay 3D]

Without Curry, Warriors lose to the Cavs.
Without Lebron, Cavs lose to the Warriors.
With Curry, Warriors beat the Cavs.
With Lebron, Cavs gets beatdown by the Warriors.

Simple. Curry is more valuable.

[riseagainst]

You could argue that Lebron is more valuable. But he's definitely not better.

[MEB2kDeez]

You could argue that Lebron is more valuable. But he's definitely not better.
Yup.

Without Lebron, Cavs are trash. With Lebron they're a great team.

Without Curry, Warriors are a great team. With him they're a historically great team.

[Hey Yo]

Curry is more the outstanding player category

James is more valuable and impactful.

[Klay 3D]

Yup.

Without Lebron, Cavs are trash. With Lebron they're a great team.

Without Curry, Warriors are a great team. With him they're a historically great team.
Without Lebron, Cavs would probably be winning around 40 games.
Without Curry, Warriors probably be winning around 50 games (generous as they struggle against a 44-win Blazers).

57-40 = 17
73-50 = 23

Math says that Curry has more impact on wins.

[GimmeThat]

Curry is getting killed by Larry Bird on the all time rank.

[PP34Deuce]

Without Curry, Warriors lose to the Cavs.
Without Lebron, Cavs lose to the Warriors.
With Curry, Warriors beat the Cavs.
With Lebron, Cavs gets beatdown by the Warriors.

Simple. Curry is more valuable.

If you value consistency and a person that will quarterback an offense while being a co leader on the defense, lebron james is that guy.

Lebron can mask most of your weaknesses within a team.

Curry to me is like Randy Moss... He does 1 thing amazingly well and people can't stop it. Curry fans will then get mad at me saying, "he can rebound,pass, elite defender" but he truly is an offensive weapon on a team built for him. He's icing on the cake. If you have a bad team, will he still be able to get you wins?

Lebron has proven he can change a franchise and make it relevant again. He's proven that he can mask all your weaknesses and still get you out of the first round every time. His ability to lead an offense at this stage of his career is borderline Magic.

[toprange]

There's a reason why they call him the greatest of all time.
2/6 is something that is real. Not an opinion. Let that sink in :rolleyes:

[guy]

Curry. He doesn't dominate the ball and emphasize too much isolation, which enables his coach to implement a style of play that utilizes each player in their offense. He doesn't cause any type of dysfunction with his team i.e. constant ridiculous messages in social media, visiting his former teammates in the middle of the season while he's "injured/resting", holding the threat of leaving his team over the franchise, etc. You look at those things, the fact that Cleveland may see a bigger drop-off without Lebron then GS would without Curry doesn't mean sh*t cause there part of the reasons why that is. On top of that, He's probably the best scorer and most clutch player in the league.

[34-24 Footwork]

If you value consistency and a person that will quarterback an offense while being a co leader on the defense, lebron james is that guy.

Lebron can mask most of your weaknesses within a team.

Curry to me is like Randy Moss... He does 1 thing amazingly well and people can't stop it. Curry fans will then get mad at me saying, "he can rebound,pass, elite defender" but he truly is an offensive weapon on a team built for him. He's icing on the cake. If you have a bad team, will he still be able to get you wins?

Lebron has proven he can change a franchise and make it relevant again. He's proven that he can mask all your weaknesses and still get you out of the first round every time. His ability to lead an offense at this stage of his career is borderline Magic.


Lol @ Lebron masking weaknesses. If anything, his teammates masks his shooting woes that are usually essential to the opposing team's defense.

[Klay 3D]

If you value consistency and a person that will quarterback an offense while being a co leader on the defense, lebron james is that guy.

Lebron can mask most of your weaknesses within a team.

Curry to me is like Randy Moss... He does 1 thing amazingly well and people can't stop it. Curry fans will then get mad at me saying, "he can rebound,pass, elite defender" but he truly is an offensive weapon on a team built for him. He's icing on the cake. If you have a bad team, will he still be able to get you wins?

Lebron has proven he can change a franchise and make it relevant again. He's proven that he can mask all your weaknesses and still get you out of the first round every time. His ability to lead an offense at this stage of his career is borderline Magic.
I believe you are confusing impact with versatility/productivity or some other thing. The offensive game Curry brings to the table is demoralizing. It kills individuals mentally and emotionally knowing you can't stop this dude. That's defense in it itself.

No matter how truly great Lebron is, the reality is that a team still has to be constructed around him based on who he is. You can win 60 games every year but if you can't win the chip, it's back to the drawing board as an L. The problem with Lebron is, he likes to be in control too much. It has to be his way because he knows he's good to very good at everything. It doesn't mean he's impacting the game all of the time. It means he plays positionless basketball and takes the duties of another player based on the construction of the team and not because of the capability of his teammates. It comes with a whole lot of good...great, but it also comes with some bad. Lebron gets relied upon too much but it falls right in line with what his game asks for. He doesn't have a go to move to go to besides kicking it out the 3pt shooters. For that reason, he cannot be efficient with volume because he depends on the flow of the game. He's smart enough to dissect what a defense gives him, but can he finish? Can he finish when it's do or die. He needs his all-star teammates and great shooters.

You can't compare Curry with Randy Moss. Randy Moss relied on others to get him the ball. Curry can handle the rock and play off of it. Curry is more like Tom Brady who relies on his gift of throwing like Curry relies on his gift of shooting. Lebron is more like Cam Newton. He does everything well. He didn't even need a legit receiver this previous year.

A clear statement would be that Lebron is more productive with his raw numbers. I can't agree on impact even when I'm objective.

[DingDengDong]

The Warriors without Curry would still be WCF. Cleveland without LeBron would be fighting for a playoff spot in the East. Curry deserves his award. But he isn't more valuable than LeBron.
Sure they could. The east is a joke. The #2 seed is about to advance to the ECF after having 1 good game from their 2 best players, while their 3rd best player is out with an injury.

[Draz]

2/6 is something that is real. Not an opinion. Let that sink in :rolleyes:
2 for 6 is terrible tbh.

[PP34Deuce]

I believe you are confusing impact with versatility/productivity or some other thing. The offensive game Curry brings to the table is demoralizing. It kills individuals mentally and emotionally knowing you can't stop this dude. That's defense in it itself.

No matter how truly great Lebron is, the reality is that a team still has to be constructed around him based on who he is. You can win 60 games every year but if you can't win the chip, it's back to the drawing board as an L. The problem with Lebron is, he likes to be in control too much. It has to be his way because he knows he's good to very good at everything. It doesn't mean he's impacting the game all of the time. It means he plays positionless basketball and takes the duties of another player based on the construction of the team and not because of the capability of his teammates. It comes with a whole lot of good...great, but it also comes with some bad. Lebron gets relied upon too much but it falls right in line with what his game asks for. He doesn't have a go to move to go to besides kicking it out the 3pt shooters. For that reason, he cannot be efficient with volume because he depends on the flow of the game. He's smart enough to dissect what a defense gives him, but can he finish? Can he finish when it's do or die. He needs his all-star teammates and great shooters.

You can't compare Curry with Randy Moss. Randy Moss relied on others to get him the ball. Curry can handle the rock and play off of it. Curry is more like Tom Brady who relies on his gift of throwing like Curry relies on his gift of shooting. Lebron is more like Cam Newton. He does everything well. He didn't even need a legit receiver this previous year.

A clear statement would be that Lebron is more productive with his raw numbers. I can't agree on impact even when I'm objective.

Good argument, but a valuable piece is subjective to what your team needs. If you are a team like Golden State that's great defensively and in rebounding, a Curry will take you to the next level (Like a Randy Moss) Tom Brady and Curry are not a good example. Randy Moss was able to score with bad and great QB's. The point I make is he was a piece that made a good offense amazing-Like Curry.

If you're a team that lacks holes (Bad rebounding, Bad passing, leadership) Lebron James is more valuable in that instance. That's fact. It's more than just fancy passing, Lebron is your floor general that paces the offense. Curry hasn't shown that ability and in a very average team, Curry would have to do that. Lebron has shown with very average teams, he can get you where you need to be. You can find very good shooters to build around a player like Lebron, you can't find someone who can control the pace and play both sides like Lebron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Klay 3D & guy with some great post

[k0kakw0rld]

Without Curry, Warriors lose to the Cavs.
Without Lebron, Cavs lose to the Warriors.
With Curry, Warriors beat the Cavs.
With Lebron, Cavs gets beatdown by the Warriors.

Simple. Curry is more valuable.
You are a fool

[k0kakw0rld]

2 for 6 is terrible tbh.
Some players don't even have one final appearance :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Some players don't even have one final appearance :confusedshrug:


Some players didn't team up with 2 all stars for 6 straight years of their prime.

[Klay 3D]

Good argument, but a valuable piece is subjective to what your team needs. If you are a team like Golden State that's great defensively and in rebounding, a Curry will take you to the next level (Like a Randy Moss) Tom Brady and Curry are not a good example. Randy Moss was able to score with bad and great QB's. The point I make is he was a piece that made a good offense amazing-Like Curry.

If you're a team that lacks holes (Bad rebounding, Bad passing, leadership) Lebron James is more valuable in that instance. That's fact. It's more than just fancy passing, Lebron is your floor general that paces the offense. Curry hasn't shown that ability and in a very average team, Curry would have to do that. Lebron has shown with very average teams, he can get you where you need to be. You can find very good shooters to build around a player like Lebron, you can't find someone who can control the pace and play both sides like Lebron.
Golden State is built for Curry just like how Cleveland is built for Lebron so I don't get your argument about Curry only being a "piece" added onto a team while Lebron is the franchise player/carrier. Curry on any team would have that team transformed to fit his needs just like how Lebron would go and vouch for players that he wants. They're all-time great talent and shouldn't submit to anyone...at least naturally. And you're talking about controlling the pace as if Curry doesn't. He's a dynamic player and explodes every time he touches the ball. He plays at his own pace and no one has shown the ability to stop him. His team follows suit with his more uptempo play.


You can find very good shooters to build around a player like Lebron, you can't find someone who can control the pace and play both sides like Lebron.
Of course we can't find someone like Lebron because he's basically once in a life time talent. Closest one is probably CP3 but he isn't as versatile due to his height...that's why you'd have to build around him. Add in Kawhi Leonard and that's a championship building block. You don't need 1 player to fill as many voids as possible. Being versatile is great, but being skilled at all position is also great. Turning it around, go and find someone like Curry who can shoot the 3 like him. He's irreplaceable in his own right.

I can understand your point about Randy Moss being so electrifying, but I don't like it since he can't start with the ball in his hand and dictate. Curry to me is like Tom Brady because everyone knows what is coming...a pass...and yet he still completes the throw (the 3pt shot). No running game is needed...just like no post game. Just a bunch of receivers (shooters).

[Marchesk]

There's a reason why they call him the greatest of all time.

Nobody mentioned Wilt in this thread :no:

[theaussieguy]

steph curry, Lebron is more valuable in terms of getting ur team wins in the regular season, but with Curry, you actually need him to win a championship. Lebron has a very hard time to win a chip because he is lacking attacking prowess.

[knicksman]

Lebron is more impactful but curry is more valuable. You can combine 2 or 3 players to create a lebron but you cant easily do that with curry or kobe. Their skills are just harder to learn which makes them more valuable. Thats why on a stacked team, lebron becomes redundant that its either his teammates are being diminished or him. While curry still provides same impact on a stack team. With lebron, you still need superstars to win while you only need role players for curry coz only superstars could cover lebrons weakness while there are lots of role players that could play defense for curry

[Nick Young]

There is no coming back from 2 for 6.. that's only a 33% win rate:facepalm

[branslowski]

Curry is easily more valuable. Klay D with a right to the point post.

[JebronLames]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFSIu0gwLAO/?taken-by=teamljamesig

[Smoke117]

Lebron.

[Wally450]

Some players didn't team up with 2 all stars for 6 straight years of their prime.

Even if they did, I doubt they could do what LeBron did during those years.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Even if they did, I doubt they could do what LeBron did during those years.

In the eastern conference of the last 6 years?

Sans 2011 the east has been a joke.

[leMVP]

Until he declines, Lebron will always be the most valuable player.

Unless Curry leaves GSW and Bulid another Dynasty elsewhere!

[WolfGang]

Lebron is the best player in the world and if Cleveland wins it all this year, everyone will hop off the GSW bandwagon and run around screaming about how they knew Lebron was the best all along.

[Uchmanmamba24]

Curry is top 5 all time already!
Lebron is the mvp for his Cavs team alone,
Curry is the MVP of the entire league!
without Curry, people wouldn't have watched the NBA regular season this year.

[Hey Yo]

Some players didn't team up with 2 all stars for 6 straight years of their prime.
Wade:
2011- all-nba 2nd team
2012 and 2013 - 3rd team
2014 none
Missed a combined 58 reg. season games in 12,13 and 14

Bosh = ZERO all-NBA 2011 through 2014. Missed most of 2nd half of last 2 seasons but yet he was an all-star. That's why voted to all-nba teams are more of an example of how you performed over the entire season

Kyrie = ZERO when LeBron said he was coming back. Made 3rd team last year...his first year with LeBron.

Kevin Love (you boy, who you have to root against) wasn't even on the team when James announced his return.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Incase you can't read what you quoted, it says all stars.

And who cares if Love wasn't already on the team? Lebron my first call after joining the cavs was to love, to let him know he was in. Which has major influence on where Love ended up.

[Hey Yo]

Incase you can't read what you quoted, it says all stars.

And who cares if Love wasn't already on the team? Lebron my first call after joining the cavs was to love, to let him know he was in. Which has major influence on where Love ended up.
I guess you can't read or you would see my point about all-stars.

Love had the final say if he gets traded and to where?

:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I guess you can't read or you would see my point about all-stars.

Love had the final say if he gets traded and to where?

:oldlol:

Except all of those guys were legit all stars, not like they were getting in and not deserving it like Kobe this year

And about Love


"LeBron had signed to come back with the Cleveland Cavaliers, and just a few hours post he called me and I said, 'You know what? I'm in.' That had a lot to do with my decision. I knew they had a lot of young pieces in place, a lot of great talent that has accumulated here as well, and I knew the city relatively well, but that had a lot to do with it."


Love had the option of being able to opt out the next season, which gave him a lot of power to choose where he was traded. Just like Melo with the Knicks

And Love literally said that it was his decision.. Lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james--first-phone-call-upon-signing-in-cleveland-was-to-kevin-love-195749871.html

[Hey Yo]

Except all of those guys were legit all stars, not like they were getting in and not deserving it like Kobe this year.
All star nods are from fan votes after half the season of play. All-NBA Teams are based on the entire season. Not hard to see which equates to having a great season.


And about Love



Love had the option of being able to opt out the next season, which gave him a lot of power to choose where he was traded. Just like Melo with the Knicks

And Love literally said that it was his decision.. Lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james--first-phone-call-upon-signing-in-cleveland-was-to-kevin-love-195749871.html
It still takes a team that has enough to send back the other way. If the player has a preferred choice and it can't be done, then he waits until he's an UFA.

Just so happen Cleveland had the assets.


btw...your boy Kevin didn't make the all-star team last season.

[TheMarkMadsen]

All star nods are from fan votes after half the season of play. All-NBA Teams are based on the entire season. Not hard to see which equates to having a great season.


It still takes a team that has enough to send back the other way. If the player has a preferred choice and it can't be done, then he waits until he's an UFA.

Just so happen Cleveland had assets.


How can you be this much in denial?

it was Kevin Loves decision and he made that decision after Lebron called him..

[Kiddlovesnets]

We will see which one is more valuable when the Spurs play them in WCF and then NBA Finals.

[pauk]

Why is this debatable? Look at how their supporting casts win-play without them past 2 years (even in Finals) and that is your answer.... Yes Curry deserved the MVP based on its typical criteria (the best player of the team that won the most games) but if there was a "Most valuable to his team" award Lebron would be winning it every year....

[Hey Yo]

How can you be this much in denial?

it was Kevin Loves decision and he made that decision after Lebron called him..
And it's still the final decision of whoever's in charge of calling the shots when it comes to trades.

I guess you're just going to concede the all-star stuff?

Wise choice

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One player talked shit about the other Teams locker room still smelling like champagne and beat that team by about 40 points.


The other player led his healthy team to a 40 point loss on his home court and subsequently got his coach fired.

This is obvious.

[pauk]

The guy who is more valuable to his team is the guy who has the bigger work load in order for them to be successful (in Lebrons case its scoring, playmaking, rebounding, playing/defending up to all positions), to the point where when he is not playing/is resting (or simply just under performs) the supporting cast simply cant compensate and hence flounder the outcome of the game....

There is MVP and then there is actual Valuability....

[raprap]

Good ol top 10 fam argument. :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

And it's still the final decision of whoever's in charge of calling the shots when it comes to trades.

I guess you're just going to concede the all-star stuff?

Wise choice

No it really wasn't the wolves decision, Jesus this revisionist history is out of control. The wolves and love both wanted to move on from each other, it was publicly known. It was up to the Wolves to find a team that would trade for Love, and it had to be a team that Love liked, because if the other team knew Love wasn't happy then he would just walk, and not many teams were willing to take that chance. AKA it was Loves decision, which is why he called it HIS DECISION

And I'm not conceding to anything lol, you're just stupid as hell on this topic and we've had it multiple times. You're argument of "half a season" doesn't apply here because all of these guys were studs for the entire season
I don't know why you brought up all nba teams because I never said that they were top 3 players at their position :facepalm :facepalm

Lebron has spent the past 6 years carefully crafting his teams, he spent 4 straight year surrounded by 2 all stars, and has spent the last two surrounded by two more. No matter which way you try to spin that, it's what has happened.

[pauk]

Just look at their work loads in the matchups.......

When Lebron (Cavs) plays a team like the Warriors his work load is at absolute max, every single game require him to drop around 30+++ point triple doubles (and shoot very efficiently, not turnover & guard the best player in key moments) or else he doesnt have a chance, a guaranteed loss.... but when Curry (Warriors) plays a team like the Cavs he actually may not even be needed, especially not defensively, Curry can just afford to hang around & coast.....

[Cleverness]

The guy who is more valuable to his team is the guy who has the bigger work load in order for them to be successful

Paul George, Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, Dirk, Harden, and arguably Hassan Whiteside, Kobe Bryant, and Rudy Gobert were more "valuable" than Curry?

[red1]

Why is this debatable? Look at how their supporting casts win-play without them past 2 years (even in Finals) and that is your answer.... Yes Curry deserved the MVP based on its typical criteria (the best player of the team that won the most games) but if there was a "Most valuable to his team" award Lebron would be winning it every year....
:applause: pauk with the usual scholarly post

[pauk]

Paul George, Anthony Davis, Damian Lillard, Dirk, Harden, and arguably Hassan Whiteside, Kobe Bryant, and Rudy Gobert were more "valuable" than Curry?

Yes, Lebron however is not just more valuable but he has also the biggest work load...

Look, Curry is the greatest shooter ive ever seen & yes its awesome to watch & yes is much easier guy to relate with.... but the reality is except for that & the flashy ballhandling Lebron does more & is required to do much more of literally everything else, he is far more versatile and ALL of it is needed just for the Cavs to barely win (against greater teams not even that is enough).... You switch their places and a championship is the biggest guarantee ever for the Warriors & the MVP / FMVP for Lebron, the Cavs however lets just say will be worse with Curry unless you think he could compensate the lack of missing rebounds, passes-assists & defense etc. with simply his legandary shooting....

Curry wouldnt be a 2 x MVP & a champion if he played for Cavs.... even if you teleported them to the Finals i surely can guarantee you that supporting cast wouldnt compensate for his mishaps and STILL WIN with him having 0 fmvp votes, with Jr Smith winning the fmvp or something...