1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP, 2 scoring titles, does not make you top 10

[Derivative]

:no: :no: :no: :no:

[riseagainst]

And who in the hell is you exactly?

:confusedshrug:

[feyki]

Top 10 or not , doesn't matter .

What's the difference between two spot below or above ?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Both ESPN and Sports Illustrated had Kobe at No.12, thats two media, not just one.

[Klay 3D]

Fck all his accolades.

A 60 point departure with no legs at age 37 makes you top 10.

[livinglegend]

Apart from stupid low IQ kobe stans, nobody has kobe in top 10.

[Marchesk]

Apparently 3 MVPs doesn't make you top 10 either. :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

People are way too hung up on top 10 rankings. If someone has Kobe at 10 instead of 11 or vice versa, does it really make a difference?

[Uncle Drew]

Both ESPN and Sports Illustrated had Kobe at No.12, thats two media, not just one.
What the fcuk is one media?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Both ESPN and Sports Illustrated had Kobe at No.12, thats two media, not just one.


Those same publications had Shaq at an average of 12 all time

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[imdaman99]

And who in the blue hell made you in charge of that? :biggums:

Honestly, every media outlet has a different top 10. Kobe is no media darling, so they will be biased. Personally I think he is top 10 but I have not seen the old timers play. All we have are stats to go by that, and I know stats lie. I have watched a stat dominant guy come up small so many times in the current era. Stats do not tell everything.

[Bankaii]

And who in the blue hell made you in charge of that? :biggums:

Honestly, every media outlet has a different top 10. Kobe is no media darling, so they will be biased. Personally I think he is top 10 but I have not seen the old timers play. All we have are stats to go by that, and I know stats lie. I have watched a stat dominant guy come up small so many times in the current era. Stats do not tell everything.
Stats show that Kobe is a subpar Finals performer, and watching the games would indicate the same.

[DingDengDong]

Fck all his accolades.

A 60 point departure with no legs at age 37 makes you top 10.
50 shots though.

[Lamar Odumbb]

Ask Jerry West what would he rather be known as, a top 10 player with 1 ring and the most finals loses in NBA history or an 11 time champ like Russell and ranked 12 like Kobe.

[SwayDizzle]

Stats show that Kobe is a subpar Finals performer, and watching the games would indicate the same.
take it easy

[sportjames23]

And who in the hell is you exactly?

:confusedshrug:

:roll:

[JT123]

Apart from stupid low IQ kobe stans, nobody has kobe in top 10.
This. Every knowledgable fan has him ranked anywhere from 12-17, but he is quickly falling on this list due to stars like Kawhi, Durant, and Curry passing him in the next few years. Hell in 10 years Kobe likely won't even be in anyone's top 20 anymore. :(

[Boogaboog]

This. Every knowledgable fan has him ranked anywhere from 12-17, but he is quickly falling on this list due to stars like Kawhi, Durant, and Curry passing him in the next few years. Hell in 10 years Kobe likely won't even be in anyone's top 20 anymore. :(


:no:

Curry is a historic player, so I'll give you that, but in no way are Kawhi and Durant surpassing Kobe's career and peaks "in the next few years".

[NBAGOAT]

I have np with Kobe at 11 but don't get him at 12. Have a hard time putting someone like Oscar or West ahead of him.

[Born Sinner]

So you just left out 5 championships and 3rd all time leading scorer?

[Magic 32]

Apart from stupid low IQ kobe stans, nobody has kobe in top 10.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/4868503/bill-simmons-o.gif

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/simmons_pyramid.html

[LAZERUSS]

Apparently 3 MVPs doesn't make you top 10 either. :confusedshrug:

Not only that, but he owned Kareem in the vast majority of their 40 career H2H's, including their 7 post-season games.

[LAZERUSS]

You can throw a blanket over 8-13.

Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Moses, Hakeem, and Dr. J.

Include Erving's ABA seasons, and he somewhere in the Top-10.

[SouBeachTalents]

You can throw a blanket over 8-13.

Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Moses, Hakeem, and Dr. J.

Include Erving's ABA seasons, and he somewhere in the Top-10.

Oscar & West would certainly have arguments for 12/13

[LAZERUSS]

Oscar & West would certainly have arguments for 12/13

True...but Oscar only had one MVP, and one side-kick ring. And West had zero MVPs, and one side-kick ring (using just the post-season), as well as one FMVP.

Of course, West was one of the greatest playoff scorers of all-time, and his 1/9 in his Finals is actually a positive (despite the idiotic posters on ISH who would rip him for that.)

[LAZERUSS]

Dr. J is the most interesting player in these discussions. You could make a case that his peak years came in the ABA....where he won three MVPs, two rings (would have won two FMVP's had the award existed), and three scoring titles.

Add those achievements into his NBA career resume, and he has a solid case for Top-10.

Of course we don't know how many MVPs, or rings, or scoring titles he would have won in the NBA in his ABA years, though, had he been playing in the NBA.

BTW, in his very first season in the NBA, he took his Sixers to the Finals, where, despite losing to Walton's Blazers, he put up a six game series of...
30.3 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 5.0 apg, 2.7 spg, .543 FG%, and an .857 FT%...which included the clinching game six performance of 40- points, on 17-29 FG/FGA and 6-7 FT/FTA, with 6 rebs, and 8 assists...in a two point loss.

[CAstill]

Lol he did that in half a career, the other half playing team ball and dominating. Kobe is in the top 10 easily and only bias posters say otherwise.

[SwayDizzle]

kobe made the top5 after 2013. arguably the greatest 17th season. had he not gone down with that achilles injury we might've been talking top3. its insane

[IamRAMBO24]

And who in the blue hell made you in charge of that? :biggums:

Honestly, every media outlet has a different top 10. Kobe is no media darling, so they will be biased. Personally I think he is top 10 but I have not seen the old timers play. All we have are stats to go by that, and I know stats lie. I have watched a stat dominant guy come up small so many times in the current era. Stats do not tell everything.

Stats don't tell you everything but this "all or nothing" approach is less objective than seeing the overall picture. Stats are an important evaluation of a team and player. For example, if a guy averages 50-40-90, it doesn't tell me everything he does on the court, but it is a good indicator of skills nonetheless. To say it doesn't matter just because it does not measure every aspect of the game is not really being objective at all.

[Disaprine]

huge lebronze fan here, but losing 4 finals and getting embarrassed by role players isn't top 10 material either. :cry:

[Papaya Petee]

True...but Oscar only had one MVP, and one side-kick ring. And West had zero MVPs, and one side-kick ring (using just the post-season), as well as one FMVP.

Of course, West was one of the greatest playoff scorers of all-time, and his 1/9 in his Finals is actually a positive (despite the idiotic posters on ISH who would rip him for that.)
Who the **** are you talking about sidekick championships.
18 PPG Ilt

[LAZERUSS]

Who the **** are you talking about sidekick championships.
18 PPG Ilt

FMVP's my man.

Something that Wade choked away in '11, and watched handed to a teammate in '12 and '13, and then watched an opposing player receive in '14, and in a series in which Wade puked all over floor and his team was wiped out by the most decisive margin in Finals history.

[ImKobe]

Stats show that Kobe is a subpar Finals performer, and watching the games would indicate the same.

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:

:lol

[Cold soul]

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:

Ouch that's cold.

[AirBonner]

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:
Robert Horry won 7 titles. See how pointless your statement is? both were sidekicks so it doesn't mean much.

[SouBeachTalents]

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:

Helps when this dude averages 35/15 for 3 of those Finals

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2007/05/30/kobe-topper.jpg

[Hey Yo]

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:
Kobe's 2 and 2 as team leader/the man. His 2nd loss is when he tried to take over the team against Detroit and failed.

LeBron's 2 and 3 since it was still Wade's team in 2011. Then he gave James the keys to the team before the following season.

[Hoopz2332]

:applause:

[feyki]

Kobe's 2 and 2 as team leader/the man. His 2nd loss is when he tried to take over the team against Detroit and failed.

LeBron's 2 and 3 since it was still Wade's team in 2011. Then he gave James the keys to the team before the following season.

His(Kobe) ring shares ( win shares of championships ) still more than Lebron :confusedshrug:

If rings matter :rolleyes:

[SecondTake]

You're right that doesnt make you top 10. 5 rings do.

[KirbyPls]

You're right that doesnt make you top 10. 5 rings do.

How about 8 titles with better Finals stats than Kobe (no Horry strawman)?

Hondo > Kobe. by your logic

[Da Real Lambo]

How about 5 rings you stupid moron.

[stalkerforlife]

How about 8 titles with better Finals stats than Kobe (no Horry strawman)?

Hondo > Kobe. by your logic

How about the most first team ALL-NBA selections of all time? How about most first team ALL-DEFENSE selections of all time? How about 3rd in history in scoring in the regular season and the playoffs?

I could literally do this ALL DAY.

2nd GOAT.

[RRR3]

John Havlicek should be in all Kobe stans' top 10s. Not that they ever care about consistency, though.

[scuzzy]

Winning 5 out of 7 Finals series is being subpar :oldlol:
What is Lebron then :rolleyes:
You're right that doesnt make you top 10. 5 rings do.
How about 5 rings you stupid moron.

^^ good god you can't make this shit up ^^

the Kobe Fam is officially on life support

logic and reason has been overtaken by dementia

should we pull the plug? :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

^^ good god you can't make this shit up ^^

the Kobe Fam is officially on life support

logic and reason has been overtaken by dementia

should we pull the plug? :confusedshrug:

5 rangz

[scuzzy]

How about the most first team ALL-NBA selections of all time? How about most first team ALL-DEFENSE selections of all time? How about 3rd in history in scoring in the regular season and the playoffs?

I could literally do this ALL DAY.

2nd GOAT.


All those All NBA Teams and only one

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What gives?

[Mr Feeny]

That's right :applause: :lol

[IllegalD]

All those All NBA Teams and only one

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What gives?

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What gives? :confusedshrug: