King James the 2/7th

[sfballa13]

If kings in the past were named Louis the 13th for example does Lebron need to add his Finals record as part of his official title?

ALL HAIL KING JAMES THE 2/7th! :bowdown:


:lol :roll:

[scuzzy]

A for effort

D- for execution

[fiddy]

GlОАТ

[Gileraracer]

Queen James the Least

[FrenchDude]

Modern era Wilt in terms of legacy.

[Mr. Jabbar]

King "Smallwood" James II/VII

also known as James "the deliverer" or "il messaggero" across the realm.

his forces lost countless battle despite outnumbering the enemy. eventually he joined the roman empire where he won his first battle under the command of emperor Rayus Allenius

[Lebron23]

Modern era Wilt in terms of legacy.


He's going to win his 3rd finals MVP this year brah. Same number of finals MVP as Shaq, Magic, and Duncan.

[FrenchDude]

He's going to win his 3rd finals MVP this year brah. Same number of finals MVP as Shaq, Magic, and Duncan.

To say that he's similar to Wilt in terms of legacy is no insult!
He is a dominant player, one the greatest talent the league has ever seen, but not the greatest winner...

[NZStreetBaller]

King of the east basically

[keep-itreal]

King _ames

[Lebron23]

To say that he's similar to Wilt in terms of legacy is no insult!
He is a dominant player, one the greatest talent the league has ever seen, but not the greatest winner...


Winning an NBA Championship is a team accomplishment son. If you ever play this sports ( I don't think you ever play Basketball) It's very hard to win an NBA title if your teammates were injured, and if they didn't showed up in the NBA Finals. He had a valid excuse in 2015, 2007, and 2014.

2011 was the only time he under performed in the NBA Finals Series. He ain't Team Duncan, and Kobe who were both carried by their teammates in the NBA Finals.

[BenchMob]

Winning an NBA Championship is a team accomplishment son. If you ever play this sports ( I don't think you ever play Basketball) It's very hard to win an NBA title if your teammates were injured, and if they didn't showed up in the NBA Finals. He had a valid excuse in 2015, 2007, and 2014.

2011 was the only time he under performed in the NBA Finals Series. He ain't Team Duncan, and Kobe who were both carried by their teammates in the NBA Finals.


Are you blind? :biggums:

[Lebron23]

Are you blind? :biggums:


You are blind, or an idiot.

[Gileraracer]

Are you blind? :biggums:

No he is just stupid, like most LeSecond fans

[Lebron23]

No he is just stupid, like most LeSecond fans


You are a garbage poster. Shaq won 3 Finals MVP while playing with Chokebe. Same with Timothy "Bronze Medalist" Duncan. Parker and Kawhi winning an NBA Finals MVP over him.

[FrenchDude]

Winning an NBA Championship is a team accomplishment son. If you ever play this sports ( I don't think you ever play Basketball) It's very hard to win an NBA title if your teammates were injured, and if they didn't showed up in the NBA Finals. He had a valid excuse in 2015, 2007, and 2014.

2011 was the only time he under performed in the NBA Finals Series. He ain't Team Duncan, and Kobe who were both carried by their teammates in the NBA Finals.

Don't you think that the fact he lost so many times in the finals it says something about his style of play and how he impacts his teammates?

Injuries or teammates underperforming are not the only explanation for having such a poor winning % in the biggest stage of NBA basketball.

[Lebron23]

Don't you think that the fact he lost so many times in the finals it says something about his style of play and how he impacts his teammates?

Injuries or teammates underperforming are not the only explanation for having such a poor winning % in the biggest stage of NBA basketball.


Watch more games Son. LeBron put up far better numbers than Tim Duncan in their NBA Career. And his coaches aren't better than Popovich, and Jackson.

Ofcourse you never play the Sports. That's why you didn't understand it. Stick to watching Tennis or soccer my friend.

Basketball is not your sports. And I bet that the Cavs are going win the NBA title this year barring any injuries.

[Lebron23]

And by the way your Spurs choked in this year's playoffs. They won 67 games in the regular season, but they folded like a bunch of puto's in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

That's another black eye to Timothy Duncan's legacy who was the leader of Team USA in the 2004 Olympics.

He always get some free passes. And everyone overrate his performance every time he had a good game in the playoffs.

[Lebron23]

The last few years Timmy Duncan had some blemishes on his resume. In the last 9 years he only won 1 NBA title.

Losing to the 8th seeded Grizzlies
Blowing a 2-0 lead in the 2012 WCF
Winning 67 games and failing to reach the WCF

But he was never criticized by the media, and here on ISH.

Keep in mind that Duncan is also 9 years older than LeBron. Duncan was 31 yrs.old when he won his fourth NBA title in 2007.

[FrenchDude]

Watch more games Son. LeBron put up far better numbers than Tim Duncan in their NBA Career. And his coaches aren't better than Popovich, and Jackson.

Ofcourse you never play the Sports. That's why you didn't understand it. Stick to watching Tennis or soccer my friend.

Basketball is not your sports. And I bet that the Cavs are going win the NBA title this year barring any injuries.

It's not all about the numbers, hence my comparison with Wilt.

I am merely stating that LeBron is not the greatest winner of this era, which is a fact.

There's no need for you to be offensive. I've been on this board for nearly ten years and all this time I only saw you spamming every thread with LeBron James facts without elaborating a decent opinion.

Off course LeBron wasn't lucky to be put in an ideal position from day one like Magic, Bird, Duncan or Kobe.

But it's not like he was on shitty teams with weak teammates and never went to the finals.

He did play in the Finals 6 times already and his success at this stage gives me the right to state that he won't be remembered for being a great winner...

[Lebron23]

It's not all about the numbers, hence my comparison with Wilt.

I am merely stating that LeBron is not the greatest winner of this era, which is a fact.

There's no need for you to be offensive. I've been on this board for nearly ten years and all this time I only saw you spamming every thread with LeBron James facts without elaborating a decent opinion.

Off course LeBron wasn't lucky to be put in an ideal position from day one like Magic, Bird, Duncan or Kobe.

But it's he finals. It's not like he was on shitty teams with weak teammates and never went to

He did play in the Finals 6 times already and his success at this stage gives me the right to state that he won't be remembered for being a great winner...

I agreed with your first posts. But LeBron's 2nd best player in the 2007 NBA Finals was Drew Gooden, and his 2nd best player in the 2015 NBA Finals was Timothy Mozgov. Mozgov by the way is officially done after this season.

His teammates also disappeared in the 2014 NBA Finals. LeBron averaged 28 ppg on 58 FG% against Kawhi Leonard, and the Spurs defense.

I apologize for the name calling, but LeBron is a winner in my book. And nobody is going to stop him from winning his 3rd NBA title this season.

[FrenchDude]

I agreed with your first posts. But LeBron's 2nd best player in the 2007 NBA Finals was Drew Gooden, and his 2nd best player in the 2015 NBA Finals was Timothy Mozgov. Mozgov by the way is officially done after this season.

His teammates also disappeared in the 2014 NBA Finals. LeBron averaged 28 ppg on 58 FG% against Kawhi Leonard, and the Spurs defense.

I apologize for the name calling, but LeBron is a winner in my book. And nobody is going to stop him from winning his 3rd NBA title this season.

Honestly I would be very happy for him if he wins his 3rd. I'm not rooting for any player or any team in particular, I'm not from this country..

You're right about 2007.
For 2014, some might argue that LeBron had a negative impact on his teammates. Heck, even Bosh said it was difficult to play with LeBron.
Wade wasn't as healthy as he is today though.

[pauk]

Don't you think that the fact he lost so many times in the finals it says something about his style of play and how he impacts his teammates?

Injuries or teammates underperforming are not the only explanation for having such a poor winning % in the biggest stage of NBA basketball.

Context my friend....

The only Finals where you can logically & perfectly objectively flounder & question Lebrons "style of play / impact" was 2011 Finals... even he did/does himself, so why not, he had a great cast/they performed well, they should have beaten the Mavs and he didnt perform up to his standards and voila...

All other Finals losses the odds were heavily against him playing with scrubs/getting his scrubs exploited and/or having Kyrie/Love/Wade/Bosh injured-dnp-choke against historically stacked teams.... one of the Finals appearances was also at age 21 where he took the WORST TEAM TO EVER BE IN A NBA FINALS... never been done before, not even by Jordan, focusing only on the Finals loss there is just unfairly pessimistic.... like he was supposed to win or something? like if anybody in nba history in his situation could have won that finals? better yet just reach the Finals with that cast..... funny....

Lebron is actually way to impactful for his own & teams good / his game translates to way to much success and he forces his teammates to always have that insane will to win.... he makes horrible casts overachieve like hell, in historic fashion his teams overachieve.... fighting against all odds, gets to the Finals & then finally gets his team/teammates exposed by the truly best / most stacked team in the NBA....

I mean if he/Cavs/Heat were in the West those Finals years, he would lose to Spurs/Warriors BEFORE the Finals, teams he would have met in the Finals in the East instead.... making his Finals record be flawless / going there only when its a 100% guaranteed win.... 2/2 instead of 2/6.... does that make anything better/worse? NO.... except for you having no reason to bring "2/6" up.... although im sure you would find something else, playoff losses perhaps/inability to reach the Finals, but then you will need to degrade Kobe/Jordan/Bird/Shaq etc. etc. etc. all players in history....

[FrenchDude]

Context my friend....

The only Finals where you can logically & perfectly objectively flounder & question Lebrons "style of play / impact" was 2011 Finals... even he did/does himself, so why not, he had a great cast/they performed well, they should have beaten the Mavs and he didnt perform up to his standards and voila...

All other Finals losses the odds were heavily against him playing with scrubs/getting his scrubs exploited and/or having Kyrie/Love/Wade/Bosh injured-dnp-choke against historically stacked teams.... one of the Finals appearances was also at age 21 where he took the WORST TEAM TO EVER BE IN A NBA FINALS... never been done before, focusing only on the loss there

Lebron is actually way to impactful for his own & teams good / his game translates to way to much success and he forces his teammates to always have that insane will to win.... he makes horrible casts overachieve like hell, in historic fashion his teams overachieve.... fighting against all odds, gets to the Finals & then finally gets his team/teammates exposed by the truly best / most stacked team in the NBA....



Eric Snow wasn't a great second option to have and Iverson carried this Philly team to the finals. Well I'm not forgetting he had a great defensive anchor with Dike...

[Hey Yo]

No he is just stupid, like most LeSecond fans
Says the guy who forgets to change alts when quoting himself.


:cletus:

[LAZERUSS]

To say that he's similar to Wilt in terms of legacy is no insult!
He is a dominant player, one the greatest talent the league has ever seen, but not the greatest winner...

None other than John Wooden claimed that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters (and coaches), that it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

And how do we KNOW that, you ask? Just look at their '67 seasons. Chamberlain FINALLY had a roster the EQUAL to Russell's...and the result? A carpet-bombing of both the legendary Dynasty, and the legendary winner.

As Pauk stated...

CONTEXT.

[LAZERUSS]

King "Smallwood" James II/VII

also known as James "the deliverer" or "il messaggero" across the realm.

his forces lost countless battle despite outnumbering the enemy. eventually he joined the roman empire where he won his first battle under the command of emperor Rayus Allenius

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Optimus Prime]

King James the 2/7th, First of His Name, Lord of the Betas and Protector of the Leastern Conference

:bowdown:

[FrenchDude]

None other than John Wooden claimed that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters (and coaches), that it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

And how do we KNOW that, you ask? Just look at their '67 seasons. Chamberlain FINALLY had a roster the EQUAL to Russell's...and the result? A carpet-bombing of both the legendary Dynasty, and the legendary winner.

As Pauk stated...

CONTEXT.

Of course we have to take context into consideration..

Context is one of several factors giving LeBron James this label of 'not a great winner' im my book.

[Mr. Jabbar]

The bastard son of Queen Gloria and Lambo the bard, grandson of king Wilt the II. King Smallwood James commenced his training at the early age of 5, showing great proficiency in the art of melee combat and serious deficiencies with ranged weapons. Tales speak of a 25% score at the archers range before being relocated to melee school, were he exceled at stiff arms.

[keep-itreal]

The bastard son of Queen Gloria and Lambo the bard, grandson of king Wilt the II. King Smallwood James commenced his training at the early age of 5, showing great proficiency in the art of melee combat and serious deficiencies with ranged weapons. Tales speak of a 25% score at the archers range before being relocated to melee school, were he exceled at stiff arms.
:roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Of course we have to take context into consideration..

Context is one of several factors giving LeBron James this label of 'not a great winner' im my book.

Let's use some "context" then shall we?

Unlike Russell, who along with HOFer Heinsohn, joined a playoff team in his rookie season (and actually had a higher W-L% in the games that Russell missed BTW)...Wilt was drafted, in high school, by a team that would finish in last place the year before he arrived. He immediately led them to a 49-26 record, and then to a game six, two point loss, against a HOF-laden 59-16 Celtics team...in a series in which Chamberlain averaged 31-27 and on a .500 FG%, in a post-season that shot .402 overall.

Two years later, Wilt dragged that roster, the core of which was the same, but now older and worse (How bad you ask? His three "HOF" teammates shot .375, .359, and .271 in that post-season) to a game seven, two point loss against a 60-20 Celtics team that was favored in every game of that series...and all while putting up a 34-27 series.

In the '64 Finals, Chamberlain took a roster that had gone 31-49 the year before, up against a Celtic team with EIGHT HOFers. Oh, and Wilt's "HOF" teammates, Rodgers, and part-time rookie Thurmond, shot .258 and .326 respectively.

In the '65 EDF's, Chamberlain single-handedly carried a team that had gone 34-46 the year before without him...to a game seven, one point loss against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty, and with a 30-31 .555 series in which he crushed Russell in everfy facet of the game.

When Wilt was FINALLY given a roster that was the EQUAL of Russell's (and healthy), they destroyed the eight-time defending 60-21 Celtics, 4-1 (and were four points away from a sweep in game four)...in an EDF's in which Chamberlain murdered Russell with a 22-32-10 .556 series.

Context.

[FrenchDude]

Swap Russel and Wilt and Wilt might have similar success.

Where should we put LeBron to make him a perennial winner?

Shall give him Steph's team? I'm not sure the Warriors would enjoy the same success without Curry.

LeBron had a very good team in Miami. Still he lost twice in the Finals and in embarrassing fashion in 2011.

2014, people say his teammates didn't show up. Maybe the Heat was at the end of the race after 4 straight finals..

Fact remains, he had strong personnel around him from 2010-2014 and was one miracle shot away from being 1 for 4..

Its difficult to put a winning roster around this guy, maybe he's too dominant and gifted for his own good as you said.

[BenchMob]

Swap Russel and Wilt and Wilt might have similar success.

Where should we put LeBron to make him a perennial winner?

Shall give him Steph's team? I'm not sure the Warriors would enjoy the same success without Curry.

LeBron had a very good team in Miami. Still he lost twice in the Finals and in embarrassing fashion in 2011.

2014, people say his teammates didn't show up. Maybe the Heat was at the end of the race after 4 straight finals..

Fact remains, he had strong personnel around him from 2010-2014 and was one miracle shot away from being 1 for 4..

Its difficult to put a winning roster around this guy, maybe he's too dominant and gifted for his own good as you said.

Arguments like what if they SWAP TEAMS can be fair at times because basketball is a team sport.

But... it doesn't change the FACT that LeBron is a mental beta at times and there is no denying that if you watched his career closely. And so who can be so sure LEBETA wouldn't meltdown even if THEY DID SWAP TEAMS like in 2010(vs Boston), 2011(vs Dallas), 2013(Ray Allen saved him from his another LeBeta 4th qtr meltdown moment).

For instance, lets say he plays with prime Shaq. LeBron is going to have to make big plays down the stretch since there were a fair amount of times where Shaq was fouled out or on the bench due to his poor FT shooting. So the question is how much trust you're going to have with this mental midget? Of course, he might get lucky like vs Orlando in 2010. But we all know clutch moments and fearless aren't synonymous with LeBeta.

Intangibles matter considering his GOD GIVEN TALENT.

[Lebron23]

Lebron with more finals MVP than Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, and Jabbar after this season.

[BenchMob]

Lebron with more finals MVP than Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, and Jabbar after this season.

I think you meant more DELIVERED FMVP's. LeBeta is no doubt the nicest man in the finals. He donates FMVPS left and right to players who wouldn't even dream of being FMVP in the NBA. He helps their career to take off to become superstars.

I mean he's a true brother.

[Lebron23]

I think you meant more DELIVERED FMVP's. LeBeta is no doubt the nicest man in the finals. He donates FMVPS left and right to players who wouldn't even dream of being FMVP in the NBA. He helps their career to take off to become superstars.

I mean he's a true brother.


That's Kobeta, and Duncanbeta.

[Disaprine]

King "Smallwood" James II/VII

also known as James "the deliverer" or "il messaggero" across the realm.

his forces lost countless battle despite outnumbering the enemy. eventually he joined the roman empire where he won his first battle under the command of emperor Rayus Allenius

King James the 2/7th, First of His Name, Lord of the Betas and Protector of the Leastern Conference

:bowdown:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

King James II/VII, lord of the east could never conquer the west, ruled by King Kobe the 5th, and then Curry The 1st.
In an attempt to gain the wests favor, Queen Gloria, mother of James, had an affair with duke Delonte the West, close asvisor of King James. Devastated by the news of his treachery, king James ordered the immediate execution of duke Delonte. Helped by queen Gloria, duke Delonte managed to escape, destined to a life of poverty as he wandered the desolated lands of the realm...

*plays outro medieval music

[K Xerxes]

King "Smallwood" James II/VII

also known as James "the deliverer" or "il messaggero" across the realm.

his forces lost countless battle despite outnumbering the enemy. eventually he joined the roman empire where he won his first battle under the command of emperor Rayus Allenius


The bastard son of Queen Gloria and Lambo the bard, grandson of king Wilt the II. King Smallwood James commenced his training at the early age of 5, showing great proficiency in the art of melee combat and serious deficiencies with ranged weapons. Tales speak of a 25% score at the archers range before being relocated to melee school, were he exceled at stiff arms.


King James II/VII, lord of the east could never conquer the west, ruled by King Kobe the 5th, and then Curry The 1st.
In an attempt to gain the wests favor, Queen Gloria, mother of James, had an affair with duke Delonte the West, close asvisor of King James. Devastated by the news of his treachery, king James ordered the immediate execution of duke Delonte. Helped by queen Gloria, duke Delonte managed to escape, destined to a life of poverty as he wandered the desolated lands of the realm...

*plays outro medieval music

Make this into a series. This shit too funny :roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

The bastard son of Queen Gloria and Lambo the bard, grandson of king Wilt the II. King Smallwood James commenced his training at the early age of 5, showing great proficiency in the art of melee combat and serious deficiencies with ranged weapons. Tales speak of a 25% score at the archers range before being relocated to melee school, were he exceled at stiff arms.


This one legitimately made me laugh :lol :lol :lol

[34-24 Footwork]

Context my friend....

The only Finals where you can logically & perfectly objectively flounder & question Lebrons "style of play / impact" was 2011 Finals... even he did/does himself, so why not, he had a great cast/they performed well, they should have beaten the Mavs and he didnt perform up to his standards and voila...

All other Finals losses the odds were heavily against him playing with scrubs/getting his scrubs exploited and/or having Kyrie/Love/Wade/Bosh injured-dnp-choke against historically stacked teams.... one of the Finals appearances was also at age 21 where he took the WORST TEAM TO EVER BE IN A NBA FINALS... never been done before, not even by Jordan, focusing only on the Finals loss there is just unfairly pessimistic.... like he was supposed to win or something? like if anybody in nba history in his situation could have won that finals? better yet just reach the Finals with that cast..... funny....

Lebron is actually way to impactful for his own & teams good / his game translates to way to much success and he forces his teammates to always have that insane will to win.... he makes horrible casts overachieve like hell, in historic fashion his teams overachieve.... fighting against all odds, gets to the Finals & then finally gets his team/teammates exposed by the truly best / most stacked team in the NBA....

I mean if he/Cavs/Heat were in the West those Finals years, he would lose to Spurs/Warriors BEFORE the Finals, teams he would have met in the Finals in the East instead.... making his Finals record be flawless / going there only when its a 100% guaranteed win.... 2/2 instead of 2/6.... does that make anything better/worse? NO.... except for you having no reason to bring "2/6" up.... although im sure you would find something else, playoff losses perhaps/inability to reach the Finals, but then you will need to degrade Kobe/Jordan/Bird/Shaq etc. etc. etc. all players in history....


Lowkey meltdown of the year, thus far :applause:

[BigBoss]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zUgdFh2D__Y/maxresdefault.jpg

[Draz]

How the FCK did he recover from balding?

[coin24]

Pauk and lebron23 melting down hard:lol

Smallwood shames is pretty much the western kings jester, brought in to deliver the Kings FMVP award and create laughs with his huge headband and tiny weiner

[PsychoBe]

Make this into a series. This shit too funny :roll:

i'll do it lol