Charles Barkley thinks Kawhi, LeBron are better 'all-around' players than Steph Curry

[jstern]

[QUOTE]

[TomCat]

Alpha Male Types tell people to do all the dirty work

[ScalsFan21]

Eh... LeBron James is certainly still better than Steph Curry, and we know that's never changed.

But Kawhi? Come on man... is he more of a 2-way player? Yes. Does that make him better overall than Steph? Absolutely not. Don't get me wrong, he's still clearly top 4, probably top 3, but just being a better two-way guy doesn't make you automatically better. Offensive prowess is more valuable on an individual player basis, particularly in the case of stars.

[Bankaii]

He's 100% right. Except for the Kahwi being the 2nd best player, he's not better than Curry, or KD for that matter.

Lebron does everything better than Curry except for long range shooting.
Kahwi is the 2nd best 2-way player in the game and best perimeter defender.
Defense is half the game, and Curry is nowhere near their level in that aspect.

With all that being said, he's still arguably the best player in the world due to his offensive ability alone.

[stalkerforlife]

Eh... LeBron James is certainly still better than Steph Curry, and we know that's never changed.

But Kawhi? Come on man... is he more of a 2-way player? Yes. Does that make him better overall than Steph? Absolutely not.

You never tire of being wrong?

[FreezingTsmoove]

He's 100% right. Except for the Kahwi being the 2nd best player, he's not better than Curry, or KD for that matter.

Lebron does everything better than Curry except for long range shooting.
Kahwi is the 2nd best 2-way player in the game and best perimeter defender.
Defense is half the game, and Curry is nowhere near their level in that aspect.

With all that being said, he's still arguably the best player in the world due to his offensive ability alone.

Curry is a better winner than Lebron

[tpols]

so what hes essentially saying is that kawhi and lebron have more balanced game but curry's overwhelming advantage at what he does best makes him the best player.

[ScalsFan21]

so what hes essentially saying is that kawhi and lebron have more balanced game but curry's overwhelming advantage at what he does best makes him the best player.

That's what it sounded like to me, but the sound bite there is definitely the fact that he pretty much said LeBeast and Leonard are top 2. I don't think he meant it in that way based on the rest of his statement, just a bad choice of words.

[Bankaii]

Curry is a better winner than Lebron
2 rings, 2 FMVPs, 4 MVPs > 1 ring, 0 FMVPs (and votes lol), 2 MVPs.
You're a pathetic troll, at least be funny.

[ScalsFan21]

2 rings, 2 FMVPs, 4 MVPs > 1 ring, 0 FMVPs (and votes lol), 2 MVPs.
You're a pathetic troll, at least be funny.

Nah man, the "UMVP" settles it. :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

He's right.

Of course, Curry's offensive impact is considerably better than either of their's.

But, the reality is...the Warriors have to cover-up Curry's horrific defense. He simply cannot defend anyone in the league.

[stalkerforlife]

He's right.

Of course, Curry's offensive impact is considerably better than either of their's.

But, the reality is...the Warriors have to cover-up Curry's horrific defense. He simply cannot defend anyone in the league.

Why troll?

[Brujesino]

I got no problem with what he said.

[LakersForlife]

offensive monster, playmaker > all around player ( being above average all around)

[LAZERUSS]

Why troll?

Not trolling at all. Hell, Riley would light him up. He is simply AWFUL at the defensive end.

He looks completely lost on the defensive end. And his steals are mis-leading, as well. He can't guard anyone, so he roams aimlessly around the defensive end and occasionally stumbles on errant passes.

BTW, the Warriors don't lose nearly as much as you would think when he is not on the floor. They had a +8.8 ppg differential this year, when Steph was not on the floor with Dray and Klay.

And we have seen evidence of that fact in this post-season, as well.

Think about this...the Warriors essentially went 7-1 in the first eight playoff games (with Steph only playing halves in two)...and yes, they won game three in the first round (the NBA admitted it.) So, Curry returned in their last two playoff games, and was on his way to be the choker in game four of the WCSF's, when Barnes hit the game-tying shot (and Curry missed the potential game winner.) Then, in game five, the Warriors eked out a 125-121 win on their home floor.

[moongaze]

so what hes essentially saying is that kawhi and lebron have more balanced game but curry's overwhelming advantage at what he does best makes him the best player.

That's not what he was saying. He started off by saying lebron and kawhi are the two best players in the world.

[PsychoBe]

Not trolling at all. Hell, Riley would light him up. He is simply AWFUL at the defensive end.

i was gonna stay out of the thread but i can't stand-by and let you troll.

curry is the league leader in steals and is a very decent defender. plus, can you truly name me any "good"/"great" pg defenders in the league?

it's not westbrook because he gambles on every other possession.

cp3 is far too undersized and gets blown by.

definitely not lowry.

conley lacks the lateral movement.

beverly just fouls a lot.

etc, etc.

no one wants to talk about how lillard barely guarded curry while he was in (because they switched the pick'n'roll) yet everyone wants to try and burn curry for switching the pick and letting klay guard lillard.

double standards :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Not trolling at all. Hell, Riley would light him up. He is simply AWFUL at the defensive end.

He looks completely lost on the defensive end. And his steals are mis-leading, as well. He can't guard anyone, so he roams aimlessly around the defensive end and occasionally stumbles on errant passes.

BTW, the Warriors don't lose nearly as much as you would think when he is not on the floor. They had a +8.8 ppg differential this year, when Steph was not on the floor with Dray and Klay.

And we have seen evidence of that fact in this post-season, as well.

Think about this...the Warriors essentially went 7-1 in the first eight playoff games (with Steph only playing halves in two)...and yes, they won game three in the first round (the NBA admitted it.) So, Curry returned in their last two playoff games, and was on his way to be the choker in game four of the WCSF's, when Barnes hit the game-tying shot (and Curry missed the potential game winner.) Then, in game five, the Warriors eked out a 125-121 win on their home floor.

But why troll?

[LAZERUSS]

i was gonna stay out of the thread but i can't stand-by and let you troll.

curry is the league leader in steals and is a very decent defender. plus, can you truly name me any "good"/"great" pg defenders in the league?

it's not westbrook because he gambles on every other possession.

cp3 is far too undersized and gets blown by.

definitely not lowry.

conley lacks the lateral movement.

beverly just fouls a lot.

etc, etc.

no one wants to talk about how lillard barely guarded curry while he was in (because they switched the pick'n'roll) yet everyone wants to try and burn curry for switching the pick and letting klay guard lillard.

double standards :facepalm

I added this to that original post.


He looks completely lost on the defensive end. And his steals are mis-leading, as well. He can't guard anyone, so he roams aimlessly around the defensive end and occasionally stumbles on errant passes.

BTW, the Warriors don't lose nearly as much as you would think when he is not on the floor. They had a +8.8 ppg differential this year, when Steph was not on the floor with Dray and Klay.

And we have seen evidence of that fact in this post-season, as well.

Think about this...the Warriors essentially went 7-1 in the first eight playoff games (with Steph only playing halves in two)...and yes, they won game three in the first round (the NBA admitted it.) So, Curry returned in their last two playoff games, and was on his way to be the choker in game four of the WCSF's, when Barnes hit the game-tying shot (and Curry missed the potential game winner.) Then, in game five, the Warriors eked out a 125-121 win on their home floor.

The reality is...he is too frail to fight thru pics, he is too small to defend the bigger guards, and he just doesn't know HOW to play defense. Just watch him. He stands around in a daze, and at times you would think he was playing a zone defense...on the perimeter.

His defensive impact has been downright embarrassing.

[Rocketswin2013]

But, the reality is...the Warriors have to cover-up Curry's horrific defense. He simply cannot defend anyone in the league.
ah. :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

The Truth
When comparing his defensive stats to other top point guards in the NBA, Curry

[Bankaii]

i was gonna stay out of the thread but i can't stand-by and let you troll.

curry is the league leader in steals and is a very decent defender. plus, can you truly name me any "good"/"great" pg defenders in the league?

it's not westbrook because he gambles on every other possession.

cp3 is far too undersized and gets blown by.

definitely not lowry.

conley lacks the lateral movement.

beverly just fouls a lot.

etc, etc.

no one wants to talk about how lillard barely guarded curry while he was in (because they switched the pick'n'roll) yet everyone wants to try and burn curry for switching the pick and letting klay guard lillard.

double standards :facepalm
Steals are not indicative of being a good defender, so there's goes that myth.

The rest of your post:facepalm
CP3 and John Wall are both elite PG defenders.
Marcus Smart, Conley, Beverly, Rubio, and healthy Rondo are all great defenders.
Hell even his backup, Livingston is a better defender.

Klay doesn't just gaurd Curry's man on switches, they are his primary assignment so Curry can be hidden in defense.

[PsychoBe]

I added this to that original post.



The reality is...he is too frail to fight thru pics, he is too small to defend the bigger guards, and he just doesn't know HOW to play defense. Just watch him. He stands around in a daze, and at times you would think he was playing a zone defense...on the perimeter.

His defensive impact has been downright embarrassing.

he fights through picks very well actually, but the warriors like to switch the pick'n'roll since they have a lot of versatile defenders. again, when other pg's do this, nobody says a thing, but when curry does it, all of a sudden he "can't guard anyone."

also curry has extremely quick hands. most of his steals come from help-defense where he strips the ball handler in the mist of their drive. sometimes he gets into foul trouble, but that's extremely rare. he's disciplined and he again he has very good hands.

the only issue he has is defending bigger guards, which every defender in nba history will also have issue with. draymond green can't defend bigger bigs but luckily he doesn't face many, and klay gets lit up by quick players too.

double standards are disgusting for curry. no other pg in the league is expected to shut down other great pg's, yet for some reason curry is expected to guard them 24/7 :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Curry is not even an average defender...he's a GOOD defender.

[PsychoBe]

Steals are not indicative of being a good defender, so there's goes that myth.

The rest of your post:facepalm
CP3 and John Wall are both elite PG defenders.
Marcus Smart, Conley, Beverly, Rubio, and healthy Rondo are all great defenders.
Hell even his backup, Livingston is a better defender.

Klay doesn't just gaurd Curry's man on switches, they are his primary assignment so Curry can be hidden in defense.

no, they are not.

cp3 used to be an elite defender. but he's not the same player. he can't move as well laterally and he's extremely undersized. he gets torched almost constantly.

smart is not a great defender, not sure where this is coming from. conley hasn't even played all year, beverly reaches and hacks, and rubio although defends fairly well, cannot truly "lockdown" anyone. also rondo is nowhere near the defender he used to be.

livingston has extremely long arms and he's disruptive but he's not a better defender than curry. you have no evidence to support this.

and curry doesn't get "hidden" on defense. again, the warriors switch every pick'n'roll. while klay chased lillard curry was on either cj or aminu. those aren't exactly favorable match-ups for him since he's extremely undersized but because his main job is to lead his defender to the help it works out 9 times out of 10 because draymond and bogut are there to assist him and if his man's dribbles are sloppy then curry will pick their pockets.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Curry's offense outweights the "all-around" ability of both LeBron and Kawhi (who is basically Scottie Pippen).

There's also this myth going around that Curry doesn't play defense. :oldlol: FWIW, dude's impact stats suggest he has a positive net rating on that end.

LeBron and his fanboys need to accept reality and face the truth.

There's no longer an argument. Steph Curry IS the best player in the world.

[LAZERUSS]

[QUOTE=stalkerforlife]The Truth
When comparing his defensive stats to other top point guards in the NBA, Curry

[stalkerforlife]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Curry is almost NEVER defending an elite scoring guard. That job falls to Klay.

Of course, all anyone has to do is just WATCH Curry's defense. He is either standing around in a perimeter zone, or running around aimlessly and getting torched by his opposing guard.

Just AWFUL.

Again, the Warriors lose very little with Curry on the bench.

Are you stupid?

[plowking]

Curry is as good a passer as Bron, and both are top 5 in the league at it. One part of urry's game that always gets extremely underrated. Dude makes crazy snap passes for a guy his size, and he is so damn creative at it.

The fact he is so good at shooting takes away the fact he is a tremendous passer, and one of the best in the league at it.

[Bankaii]

no, they are not.

cp3 used to be an elite defender. but he's not the same player. he can't move as well laterally and he's extremely undersized. he gets torched almost constantly.

smart is not a great defender, not sure where this is coming from. conley hasn't even played all year, beverly reaches and hacks, and rubio although defends fairly well, cannot truly "lockdown" anyone. also rondo is nowhere near the defender he used to be.

livingston has extremely long arms and he's disruptive but he's not a better defender than curry. you have no evidence to support this.

and curry doesn't get "hidden" on defense. again, the warriors switch every pick'n'roll. while klay chased lillard curry was on either cj or aminu. those aren't exactly favorable match-ups for him since he's extremely undersized but because his main job is to lead his defender to the help it works out 9 times out of 10 because draymond and bogut are there to assist him and if his man's dribbles are sloppy then curry will pick their pockets.
Bolded is just dumb. Do you even watch games?
CP3 leads the league in DRPM, and this is while always gaurding the opposing team's point gaurd.
Marcus Smart is one of the best guard defenders in the league, seriously how could you not know this? Dude has Ben renowned for his defense all season and when he went down it hurt the Celtics defensively.
Beverly plays tough, aggressive defense. Quit sounding so soft.

And now it's obvious you don't watch the games. Klay is ALWAYS assigned to the best opposing guard, even if it's a point guard. He guards Lillard, Westbrook, CP3, etc while Curry gets hidden on the lesser player. The one time he had to face a decent gaurd in the PO in McCollum he got lit up, while Klay contained Lillard.

Seriously how can you call yourself a basketball fan and have no idea what you're talking about and not watch the games?

[nashwade]

Can Mr Curry bring Miami to the Finals?

[zeerghit]

myth of beverly beying good defender again... hes GARBAGE absolutly GARBAGE

[GimmeThat]

The reality is Warriors doesn't utilize a lot of help defense, which makes defensive rebounding positions easy. They block out player who try to crash for the board.

Teams don't enjoy running baseline to baseline with them, so minutes get divided into specialist. If teams can make Warriors run baseline to baseline with them, their depth shows.

Somehow teams been deep and can play up to 10 man on teams with good seeding. I don't think Warriors have that depth. The 73-9 team. The defending champion.

[Kingwillball]

Curry's offense outweights the "all-around" ability of both LeBron and Kawhi (who is basically Scottie Pippen).

There's also this myth going around that Curry doesn't play defense. :oldlol: FWIW, dude's impact stats suggest he has a positive net rating on that end.

LeBron and his fanboys need to accept reality and face the truth.

There's no longer an argument. Steph Curry IS the best player in the world.

lol best one dimensional player yes best overall player not quite. His 3 point shooting is elite along with his ball handling And driving which makes him hard to stop but lebron is always the best player on the court.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

lol best one dimensional player yes best overall player not quite. His 3 point shooting is elite along with his ball handling And driving which makes him hard to stop but lebron is always the best player on the court.

Led the league in steals, is a net plus in defensive rating, and arguably the best passer in basketball.

One dimensional though. :oldlol: LeBron is holding Curry's jock strap right now, dude.

[Magic 32]

What's with this obsession about "all-around" ability?

Who cares.

It's about winning in sports. Not some Mr. Universe sh*t.

[Blue&Orange]

Ish thread, only need to read the fist 3 posts.


Eh... LeBron James is certainly still better than Steph Curry, and we know that's never changed.

Better statpadder for sure. Statpadder about to be 2\7, while the better player will go 2\2.



does everything better than Curry except for long range shooting.

long range shooting? :lol :oldlol: :roll:

Curry, better at shooting, scoring, better handles and every other basketball fundamental, running through screen, etc... Curry actually is a playmaker and actually has great passing skills, unlike Lebron that is absolutely average at both ... what's left? Is Lebron better rebounder? Compared to positions? He is a better defender? What the stats say?


Lebron was, is and always be the best statpadder and cherrypicker, bigger finals loser and a bigger bitch, that's for sure.

[QUOTE]Remember that white unauthentic stiff called Larry Bird that in today

[feyki]

Bird was a great defender rather than Magic and of course Barkley .

[LAZERUSS]

Ish thread, only need to read the fist 3 posts.


Better statpadder for sure. Statpadder about to be 2\7, while the better player will go 2\2.


long range shooting? :lol :oldlol: :roll:

Curry, better at shooting, scoring, better handles and every other basketball fundamental, running through screen, etc... Curry actually is a playmaker and actually has great passing skills, unlike Lebron that is absolutely average at both ... what's left? Is Lebron better rebounder? Compared to positions? He is a better defender? What the stats say?


Lebron was, is and always be the best statpadder and cherrypicker, bigger finals loser and a bigger bitch, that's for sure.


Interesting...Lebron dramatically improved every team he joined...and every team he left fell off the cliff.

Meanwhile, Curry started out 25-55, and was a loser until Klay arrived. And didn't win a title until Dray came along. Furthermore, while Lebron's Cavs went 1-5 without him this year...the Warriors essentially went 7-1 in the playoffs without GAC. Hell, then BKC returned, and they were a Barnes shot away from being 1-1...and the other win was a four point win at home. You could make a strong case that the Warriors have played BETTER withOUT the Fragile one.

BTW, LBJ has TWO rings, and TWO FMVPs. Little Boy Curry has one ring, and he had to watch while a role player was handed the FMVP.

[LAZERUSS]

Bird was a great defender rather than Magic and of course Barkley .

Bird was never a great defender, and got progressively worse as the seasons passed.

But none of this has anything to do with OP...which was that Barkley claimed that there are better "all-around" players in today's NBA than Glass Ankle Curry. And, of course, he's right. It's not even debatable.

Bruised Knee Curry is unquestionably the best offensive player in the game today, but he has zero case for all-around play.

[BenchMob]

Barkley is right.

Stephen Curry is only OVERWHELMINGLY good at the MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE GAME.

But of course LeBron Ames ability to guard 1-5 and kick-out passes are more valuable which translates into more W's... right?

I mean Bran can't be like 2/6?

[feyki]

Bird was never a great defender, and got progressively worse as the seasons passed.

But none of this has anything to do with OP...which was that Barkley claimed that there are better "all-around" players in today's NBA than Glass Ankle Curry. And, of course, he's right. It's not even debatable.

Bruised Knee Curry is unquestionably the best offensive player in the game today, but he has zero case for all-around play.

Yea , Bird was great defender . This is not debatable for me .

[Boogey]

What's with this obsession about "all-around" ability?

Who cares.

It's about winning in sports. Not some Mr. Universe sh*t.this...

And plus currys upside on offense accounts for more than Lebron's/Leonard's defense. I thought kawai was an all star too, but an all star doesn't go out like he did against the Thunder. Had that been Lebrun/curry, the media would've went in on them. What older folks don't seem to understand is that defense is close to non existent in today's game, so what Barkley is saying makes some sense if you lived in the prejordan era.

[Bankaii]

Ish thread, only need to read the fist 3 posts.


Better statpadder for sure. Statpadder about to be 2\7, while the better player will go 2\2.


long range shooting? :lol :oldlol: :roll:

Curry, better at shooting, scoring, better handles and every other basketball fundamental, running through screen, etc... Curry actually is a playmaker and actually has great passing skills, unlike Lebron that is absolutely average at both ... what's left? Is Lebron better rebounder? Compared to positions? He is a better defender? What the stats say?


Lebron was, is and always be the best statpadder and cherrypicker, bigger finals loser and a bigger bitch, that's for sure.
This is a troll post but sure, I'll bite.

Curry's long range shooting is what makes him the better scorer. When Curry's jumper isn't falling, his scoring is usually pretty lackluster.
Lebron's jumper hasn't been falling for the past 2 years and he's still one of the best scorers in the game.

When you have to use "running through screens" as a skill Curry is better at you're reaching, hard. Curry is not the better playmaker or passer, and for you to say Lebron is average in those department shows how blinded you are by hate.

The icing on the cake was you really asking if Lebron was a better defense than Curry:roll:
You have to be the dumbest son of a bitch to even let that thought go through your pea brain.
Curry is a liability on defense, while stats and eye test suggest that Lebron has been an equal/better defender than DPOY Kawhi this playoffs.

I know you're a scorned Knicks/Melo fan because Lebron uses them as a jizzrag, but for once try to have an IQ higher than the Knicks win column.

[stalkerforlife]

People that say Bird wasn't a good to great defender expose themselves.

Pathetic disrespect of a true all time great and the best SF of all time.

[pauk]

True... :confusedshrug: specially Lebron...

Curry is pretty much one dimensional, not necessarily a bad thing considering how great he is at it, i mean that one dimension he is the greatest ever at, so much so it compensates for anything else he doesnt do so very well/much of & when its an off shooting night his great supporting cast can compensate on both ends (which they do anyways at least defensively every game)...

[AirBonner]

People that say Bird wasn't a good to great defender expose themselves.

Pathetic disrespect of a true all time great and the best SF of all time.
This. If Bird had a healthy long career Jordan would only have 3 rings.

[DirkNowitzki41]

LeBron is still the best player all around right now

Better rebounder, passer, leader, defender than Steph.

Steph is a worlds better shooter and better scorer. But lets not act like LeBron cant score.

Curry is just the 'thing' right now so every one is on his dick. It will all blow over soon and people will stop overrating him.

[Inferno]

True... :confusedshrug: specially Lebron...

Curry is pretty much one dimensional, not necessarily a bad thing considering how great he is at it, i mean that one dimension he is the greatest ever at, so much so it compensates for anything else he doesnt do so very well/much of & when its an off shooting night his great supporting cast can compensate on both ends (which they do anyways at least defensively every game)...

Oh **** off, Curry isn't one dimensional. :facepalm

The best shooter, one of the best in finishing in the paint, top handles, great passing, and he's a solid defender. He can read passing lanes very well and led the league in steals for a reason.

The narrative that Steph isn't a good defender should have ended like 2 years ago.

[El Gato Negro]

Oh **** off, Curry isn't one dimensional. :facepalm

The best shooter, one of the best in finishing in the paint, top handles, great passing, and he's a solid defender. He can read passing lanes very well and led the league in steals for a reason.

The narrative that Steph isn't a good defender should have ended like 2 years ago.
Kyrie put the whole best handles debate to rest years ago, he can just do shit with the ball curry can't.

[Inferno]

Kyrie put the whole best handles debate to rest years ago, he can just do shit with the ball curry can't.

Of course, props to Kyrie bc his handles are amazing. Steph's are still top notch, probably top 3 in the league along with Kyrie and CP3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb0wmBUB4cg

[riseagainst]

Eh... LeBron James is certainly still better than Steph Curry, and we know that's never changed.

But Kawhi? Come on man... is he more of a 2-way player? Yes. Does that make him better overall than Steph? Absolutely not. Don't get me wrong, he's still clearly top 4, probably top 3, but just being a better two-way guy doesn't make you automatically better. Offensive prowess is more valuable on an individual player basis, particularly in the case of stars.


:roll:

[T_L_P]

So I guess Barkley is also trying to say neither Bird nor Magic were the best players in the league either, right?

He's such an idiot. Two-way play comes out the window when we're discussing a guy who commands more gravity on the floor than perhaps anyone else in NBA history.

[Blue&Orange]

Interesting...Lebron dramatically improved every team he joined...and every team he left fell off the cliff.
He join teams with prime superstars Wade Bosh Kyrie Love, and leaves when they get old.

:applause: The mark of a great basketball player!!

Oh and about the cavs, Lebron left and so did half the team!


This as been discussed to death.


Hey you like statpadder losers, could be worse.

[Blue&Orange]

Little Boy Curry has one ring, and he had to watch while a role player was handed the FMVP.
That's because cavs coach was Lebron's bitch that wanted to keep the job and kept double and triple team Curry when it wasn't working and even after series were over, because the priority was Lebron getting FMVP not the Cavs win, hence playing Mozgov 9 minutes after Mozgov stole the show from Lebron. And yet loser Lebron loses the fmvp to a role player.

This is how big of a loser Lebron is.

[Dragonyeuw]

He can read passing lanes very well and led the league in steals for a reason.

The narrative that Steph isn't a good defender should have ended like 2 years ago.

So did Allen Iverson, didn't mean he was a solid defender in terms of shutting down his man. Let's see who Westbrook will be primarily defended by in the upcoming series: Hint. It won't be Curry.

[Inferno]

So did Allen Iverson, didn't mean he was a solid defender in terms of shutting down his man. Let's see who Westbrook will be primarily defended by in the upcoming series: Hint. It won't be Curry.

Well Steph did, and he's also still a solid defender.

Westbrook will probably guard Curry, let's see how that works out. Hint: He'll still go off. :oldlol:

[Dragonyeuw]

Westbrook will probably guard Curry, let's see how that works out. Hint: He'll still go off. :oldlol:

My point wasn't whether Curry would go off. It's whether he would or could stop Westbrook from doing so. Hint: No.

[Inferno]

My point wasn't whether Curry would go off. It's whether he would or could stop Westbrook from doing so. Hint: No.

Westbrook can't stop Curry either. Is WB a bad defender?

Hint: Superstars usually go off, regardless of who's guarding them. :oldlol:

I'm done here. You guys can keep arguing with the air about Steph's defense :oldlol:

[Dragonyeuw]

Westbrook can't stop Curry either. Is WB a bad defender?

Hint: Superstars usually go off, regardless of who's guarding them. :oldlol:

I'm done here. You guys can keep arguing with the air about Steph's defense



We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook. Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion, as we weren't discussing his defense. But, if Curry goes off for 40 but gives up 35-40 on the other end.....then he didn't really come out on top, did he?

Buh-bye.

[Inferno]

We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook. Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion, as we weren't discussing his defense. But, if Curry goes off for 40 but gives up 35-40 on the other end.....then he didn't really come out on top, did he?

Buh-bye.

Let me know if that ever happens. :oldlol:

And it better not be with Russ going 9-30 to Steph's 10/20 :oldlol:

[Dragonyeuw]

Let me know if that ever happens. :oldlol:

And it better not be with Russ going 9-30 to Steph's 10/20 :oldlol:

If he doesn't, it won't be because of Curry.

Thought you were done?

[Inferno]

If he doesn't, it won't be because of Curry.

Thought you were done?

Peace :cheers:

[Dragonyeuw]

Peace :cheers:

Back at ya.

[Blue&Orange]

This is a troll post but sure, I'll bite.

Probably for a retard brainwashed espn idiot like yourself


Curry's long range shooting is what makes him the better scorer. When Curry's jumper isn't falling, his scoring is usually pretty lackluster.
Lebron's jumper hasn't been falling for the past 2 years and he's still one of the best scorers in the game.
Curry is a better scorer in every aspect of the game, other than running over people and use stiff arm to push people away to get an easy layup.

His jumper hasn't been falling for the past 2 year? lol More like his entire career. Delusional idiot. He never had a decent jumper, past two years been historically bad, like league worse bad.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/002/276/187/cfec5df3e39fbe56ae94b9e8173cfc8b_original.png



When you have to use "running through screens" as a skill Curry is better at you're reaching, hard.
Pretty sure i said better handles and every other basketball fundamental, like running through screen, etc... it was an example. Curry has better fundamentals, even the most irrelevant ones, and it's not even close. Learn to read before trying to argue with someone.


Curry is not the better playmaker or passer, and for you to say Lebron is average in those department shows how blinded you are by hate.

No i'm just not an ignorant idiot like yourself and i can actually understand what i'm seeing. You on the other hand are a ESPN parrot. Curry is a much better playmaker and passer, not even close. I have gag reflexes everytime someone tries to compare Lebron passings skills to Bird. Somehow that's what the ESPN wants you to believe :roll: :roll:


Making a pass to someone camping behind the 3 point line that any D-league player can make it's not create a shot off a pass. Holding the ball top of the key then pass the ball to JR that take a dribble and drain a contested 3 is not create a shot off a pass. JR hot in first half LEbron 9 assists, JR cold second half Lebron 2 assists.. there you have it, in a a nutshell the "amazing" playmaking ability of King James.


The icing on the cake was you really asking if Lebron was a better defense than Curry:roll:

You have to be the dumbest son of a bitch to even let that thought go through your pea brain.
Curry is a liability on defense, while stats and eye test suggest that Lebron has been an equal/better defender than DPOY Kawhi this playoffs.

lol this retard, dumpster brain. Curry is defensive liability lol. Do you actually have a thought or opinion that you can call your own.

Playoffs 2016
Curry 35.3% DFG \ 44.% OFG
Lebron 35.6% DFG \ 45.6% OFG

Do i need to say somenthing? Equal\better than Dpoy Kawhi? How is that a good thing? Kawhi faced a red hot Durant, who da **** Lebron faced again? And he managed not to do better? looool Oh yeah great argument idiot!

Eye test?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

Oh yeah can't wait for 2016 playoffs edition! :lol



but for once try to have an IQ higher than the Knicks win column

great words for someone who gave an absolute worthless reply, and proceed to be destroyed.

Can

[Blue&Orange]

We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook. Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion
That's the spirit, Curry is a liability, everything else is irrelevant, even facts and reality!!


:lol :roll: :lol

[BigBoss]

Charles Barkley is a black Skip Bayless.

[Dragonyeuw]

That's the spirit, Curry is a liability, everything else is irrelevant, even facts and reality!!


:lol :roll: :lol

We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook. Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion.

On the topic of irrelevance, thanks for your contribution.

[El Gato Negro]

Of course, props to Kyrie bc his handles are amazing. Steph's are still top notch, probably top 3 in the league along with Kyrie and CP3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb0wmBUB4cg I guess I took top handles litterly, not that it matters but I agree with everything else you are saying. Curry is far from one dimensional and he has definitely improved on the defensive end. I actually think his court vision is underrated too.
:cheers:

[Blue&Orange]

We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook. Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion.

On the topic of irrelevance, thanks for your contribution.
Oh look another retard. What's your point? What did you think that you achieved with this post? Curry being scored on, liability, Westbrook or anybody else being scored, normal and irrelevant! You add nothing to what you said before. :roll:



Westbrook can't stop Curry either. Is WB a bad defender?


We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook.
This shit is hilarious.

I really don't give a fack if you don't want to talk about Westbrook or anybody else defense and compare them to Curry, not a single fack. Compreende?

[Dragonyeuw]

Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion.

And yes, I'm a fakkit.



Agreed, well said.

[Draz]

Barkley getting unbearable to watch and listen to honestly

[knicksman]

quality over quantity. bran is a jack of all trades master of none. While curry is an elite scorer. Its easier to fill currys weakness than to find a clutch scorer for bran. And these clutch scorers are most of the time superstars. Thats why its easier to build and ultimately win with them

[Cleverness]

He's been wrong about Golden State a lot

Picked Mavs in 2007, even after GS kept winning
Picked 29 other teams in 2015; wrong again:roll:

He's gotta continue his 50 year hate on Golden State somehow:confusedshrug:

[Cali Syndicate]

One dimensional? Bad defender? Do ya'll even watch Curry play?

I do that agree Lebron and kawhi are better all around players. No question.

[PsychoBe]

We're not talking about Westbrook's defense. We were talking about Curry's, and he isn't stopping Westbrook. Whether Westbrook can stop Curry is irrelevant to the discussion, as we weren't discussing his defense. But, if Curry goes off for 40 but gives up 35-40 on the other end.....then he didn't really come out on top, did he?

Buh-bye.

this is the type of shit i be talking about :facepalm

when pg's let curry go off, they are still a great defender (even though they don't guard him on switches) yet when curry switches and lets klay thompson defend pg's, suddenly he's being "hidden". the hypocrisy has to stop.

[knicksman]

He's 100% right. Except for the Kahwi being the 2nd best player, he's not better than Curry, or KD for that matter.

Lebron does everything better than Curry except for long range shooting.
Kahwi is the 2nd best 2-way player in the game and best perimeter defender.
Defense is half the game, and Curry is nowhere near their level in that aspect.

With all that being said, he's still arguably the best player in the world due to his offensive ability alone.

Coming from someone who predicted spurs would own okc:oldlol: .

Theres a reason why youre 2/6 coz you dont know shit

[dabigbaws]

are you all stupid? curry locks up players like tony allen and andre roberson!

he HAS to play big on defence cause klay cant stop them. Klay has to switch onto the PG because curry is just elite defensively.

[Dragonyeuw]

this is the type of shit i be talking about :facepalm

when pg's let curry go off, they are still a great defender (even though they don't guard him on switches) yet when curry switches and lets klay thompson defend pg's, suddenly he's being "hidden". the hypocrisy has to stop.

That's what you took from my post? Because I dont recall saying or even implying anything about switches or Curry being hidden. My very first post to that other guy simply stated steals and playing the passing lanes well doesn't automatically equate to being a solid defender. Thats where the Allen Iverson comparison came in. And isnt the topic overall about Curry's overall skillset? Well obviously he's a trancsendent scorer. I dont agree with those calling him one-dimensional, but I also dont think he's a solid defender. He's not a liability, but its not a strength of his game. Frankly, if he was so obviously even a solid defender you wouldnt have people arguing over whether he was decent or poor on that end.

[DingDengDong]

They are more diverse in their abilities but they are not better players.

[Akhenaten]

Pippen was a better all-around player than Barkley, was he anywhere close to being a better player? I know you have a couple cretins on this board that will say yes smh, but I'm talking to those with sense.

I dont even consider guys like Pippen and Kawhai to be superstar/franchise players, theyre just not.

There's nothing DYNAMIC about those guys, Curry is a true superstar.

Shaq, Wade, Barkley, Kobe, Dream, CP3, Lebron, Magic

these guys dictate games, DOMINATE. Kawhai Leonard is an outstanding player, is he dominant?

Anthony Davis is a MEGASTAR, Kawai isnt remotely on his level, Leonard benefits from being on the team that he is on. Put Kawhai on the Pelicans and NO ONE would even know who this dude is he'd be just another good "all around" guy like a Batum or something.

Kawhai doesnt impact winning or losing a basketball game on near the level a Chris Paul does for example, not even close. People calling this guy top two is JOKE, he's at the bottom of my top ten...maybe.

This aint gymnastics where you score people out in a variety of disciplines/categories and then tally up the total. Basketball does not work like that.