A Radical New Statistic: Im Still Ballin's Defense Barometer

[Im Still Ballin]

This has been in the works for a few months now. I've partnered with the analytics department from Princeton to bring you this revolutionary way to look at and quantify NBA defensive contribution of individual players within a team. It takes the best defensive statistics, and collaborates them to give you the best possible analysis known today..

For example... 2016:

Kawhi Leonard: 0.23 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

Wilt 1967

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Wilt 1967
0.19 ISBDB

[AirBonner]

Kareem 71/72 season

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Kareem 71/72 season
0.20 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

Moncrief 83/84

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Moncrief 83/84
0.14 ISBDB

[raprap]

Lebron 2013

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Lebron 2013
0.16 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

Haren 2016

[Smoke117]

I'd call you one of the worst posters here...but you so bad that nobody even pays attention and just laughs at you....:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

Haren 2016
0.08 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]0.08 ISBDB

[Prime_Shaq]

So based on your stat, Whiteside > Draymond as a defender?

[AirBonner]

Smoke117 15/16 season

[Im Still Ballin]

Smoke117 15/16 season
12 Meltdowns per 36 posts

[AirBonner]

12 Meltdowns per 36 posts
not bad. Warriorfan 15/16

[ballinhun8]

Op legit never logs off

[Im Still Ballin]

2009 LeBron
0.21 ISBDB™

2000 Kobe
0.18 ISBDB™

[Marchesk]

For 3Ball:

Jordan 87/88

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For 3Ball:

Jordan 87/88
0.18 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]0.18 ISBDB

[El Gato Negro]

06 Damon Jones

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Pippen 94/95
0.22 ISBDB

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06 Damon Jones
0.05 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

Hakeem 93/94

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Hakeem 93/94
0.24 ISBDB™

http://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/2984997_60x60.png

[Marchesk]

Whitside stays winning.

Russell 63/64

[Im Still Ballin]

Whitside stays winning.

Russell 63/64
0.46 ISBDB

[Marchesk]

0.46 ISBDB™

Jesus Christ

Indeed. He did have 16 DWS that season. I didn't expect nearly double Wiltside!

[Im Still Ballin]

I will note, it is hard to compare statistics across eras

This is just the 1.0 Version of the statistic

Perhaps the formula will be more refined when statistical errors and deficiencies arise

Era specificity is one of them, and I will need to address

But at the bottom of this, it's just a statistic

It is to be used in conjunction with other objective measures as well as the famed eye test.

[AirBonner]

I will note, it is hard to compare statistics across eras

This is just the 1.0 Version of the statistic

Perhaps the formula will be more refined when statistical errors and deficiencies arise

Era specificity is one of them, and I will need to address

But at the bottom of this, it's just a statistic

It is to be used in conjunction with other objective measures as well as the famed eye test.
Very nice. Can this statistic be used to win arguments?

[Im Still Ballin]

Very nice. Can this statistic be used to win arguments?
It can

It's fairly accurate

Improvements will be made in the future, to address era specificity and introduction of more defensive variables to give a more accurate objective analysis

[SpaceJam]

2010-11 Maurice Evans

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2010-11 Maurice Evans
0.05 ISBDB

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Michael Jordan's Regular Season Career ISBDB™
0.16 ISBDB™

LeBron James' Regular Season Career ISBDB™
0.15 ISBDB™

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Career ISBDB™
0.10 ISBDB™

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron had a 0.18 ISBDB™ in the 2015 playoffs

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

05 Kirilenko

92 Robinson

99 Robinson

96 Robinson

89 Hakeem

90 Hakeem

91 Hakeem

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05 Kirilenko

92 Robinson

99 Robinson

96 Robinson

89 Hakeem

90 Hakeem

91 Hakeem
05 Kirilenko: 0.15 ISBDB

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04 Kirilenko: 0.17 ISBDB™

[Marchesk]

03 Wallace

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

04 Big Ben

78 Walton

04 KG

08 KG

75 Hayes

74 Lanier

75 Unseld

Kanter career :yaohappy:

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03 Wallace
0.28 ISBDB

[warriorfan]

86 Sidney Moncrief
85 Mark Eaton

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04 Big Ben

78 Walton

04 KG

08 KG

75 Hayes

74 Lanier

75 Unseld

Kanter career :yaohappy:
04 Big Ben: 0.30 ISBDB

[SpaceJam]

Waiting for ESPN to pick this up bro

[Im Still Ballin]

86 Sidney Moncrief
85 Mark Eaton
86 Moncrief: 0.13 ISBDB

[Im Still Ballin]

Waiting for ESPN to pick this up bro
Churrs bro

The package with a lazy 3 right now

[warriorfan]

84 Moncrief
84 Eaton

[SpaceJam]

Churrs bro

The package with a lazy 3 right now

Libba Jnr going for that tackle record, get around him

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

James Harden 2012-2016
Dwight Howard - 2010 , 2011
Klay Thompson 2014-2016
:cheers:

[StephHamann]

THICK statistics bro,cyour statistic level has a lot of GIRTH and LENGTH

[Im Still Ballin]

84 Moncrief
84 Eaton
Moncrief: 0.14 ISBDB

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

THICK statistics bro,cyour statistic level has a lot of GIRTH and LENGTH

I whole heartedly agree with this/

[Im Still Ballin]

Libba Jnr going for that tackle record, get around him
My eagles though

Home games are GUARANTEED W's

[Marchesk]

THICK statistics bro,cyour statistic level has a lot of GIRTH and LENGTH

It's very Ibaka-like.

[Kvnzhangyay]

**** Princeton, go Yale

Idk how you can goto a school that's on halloween 24/7

What's Jimmer Freddette's

[SpaceJam]

My eagles though

Home games are GUARANTEED W's

Kennedy showing NO MERCY at all

[Im Still Ballin]

James Harden 2012-2016
Dwight Howard - 2010 , 2011
Klay Thompson 2014-2016
:cheers:

James Harden 2012-2016: 0.10 ISBDB™

Dwight Howard - 2010 , 2011: 0.25 ISBDB™ , 0.26 ISBDB™

Klay Thompson 2014-2016: 0.11 ISBDB™

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

**** Princeton, go Yale

Idk how you can goto a school that's on halloween 24/7

What's Jimmer Freddette's

:biggums: Don't fk with us fam. :coleman:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

James Harden 2012-2016: 0.10 ISBDB™

Dwight Howard - 2010 , 2011: 0.25 ISBDB™ , 0.26 ISBDB™

Klay Thompson 2014-2016: 0.11 ISBDB™

What does Hardens years in OKC look like in comparison to his Rocket ones

[Im Still Ballin]

Kennedy showing NO MERCY at all
GODDAMN The Package with 5

Redpath makes it easier on Jake

[Im Still Ballin]

What does Hardens years in OKC look like in comparison to his Rocket ones
0.11 ISBDB

[SpaceJam]

GODDAMN The Package with 5

Redpath makes it easier on Jake

Needed him badly against the Roos, big bad REDPATH

Doggies bro, never throw it in banging home goals with 26 seconds left up 30

[Marchesk]

So let me understand this, Klay Thompson = James Harden on defense?

[Marchesk]

I think it's time to find out Curry's number.

[Im Still Ballin]

Stephen Curry Career: 0.11 ISBDB™

2015: 0.16 ISBDB™

2016: 0.15 ISBDB™

[k0kakw0rld]

I'd call you one of the worst posters here...but you so bad that nobody even pays attention and just laughs at you....:roll: :roll: :roll:
but you hear :biggums: :confusedshrug:

[Young X]

'03 Ben Wallace

[NBAGOAT]

96 Drob and 91 Duckworth

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'03 Ben Wallace
0.28 ISBDB

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96 Drob and 91 Duckworth
96 D-Rob: 0.24 ISBDB

[NBAGOAT]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]96 D-Rob: 0.24 ISBDB

[Young X]

'93 Hakeem

'04 Duncan

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91 Kersey, Williams, Porter, Drexler
91 Kersey: 0.16 ISBDB™

91 Williams: Buck Williams 0.15 ISBDB™

91 Porter: 0.15 ISBDB™

91 Drexler: 0.16 ISBDB™

[Im Still Ballin]

'93 Hakeem

'04 Duncan
93 Hakeem: 0.25 ISBDB™

04 Duncan: 0.29 ISBDB™

[NBAGOAT]

this stat(if it even is one) seems to have a pretty big emphasis on team defensive rating. It's why Russell is so high since Celtics were easily the most dominant defense of all time. Also why 04 Duncan and 04 Big Ben are a little higher than the rest and why Kawhi is so high for a perimeter player..

Edit: 16 Millsap and 16 Horford

[Im Still Ballin]

this stat(if it even is one) seems to have a pretty big emphasis on team defensive rating. It's why Russell is so high since Celtics were easily the most dominant defense of all time. Also why 04 Duncan and 04 Big Ben are a little higher than the rest and why Kawhi is so high for a perimeter player..

Edit: 16 Millsap and 16 Horford
Good defensive teams tend to have exceptional defenders

I will update the equation with more individual factors.. Going to add in an individual % based off of team DWS and how much the individual contributed to that

Essentially right now it is just a defensive win share total in an efficiency format taking into account court time, and a few other factors. What I have noticed is some outliers with regards +- defensive statistics. Will address that as well.

[Gileraracer]

Joakim Noah in 2011?

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Joakim Noah in 2011?
0.23 ISBDB

[SpaceJam]

'09 Wade

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'09 Wade
0.14 ISBDB

[VengefulAngel]

The key to peer reviewing any good advanced metric is to release to us the formula and it's biases and then we actually judge it.

[SpaceJam]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]0.14 ISBDB

[Im Still Ballin]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-12/11/14/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-15068-1418326785-45.png
Nice try, Plankton

[VengefulAngel]

Nice try, Plankton

You just proved with that retort that you have 0 credibility.

[ArbitraryWater]

this stat(if it even is one) seems to have a pretty big emphasis on team defensive rating. It's why Russell is so high since Celtics were easily the most dominant defense of all time. Also why 04 Duncan and 04 Big Ben are a little higher than the rest and why Kawhi is so high for a perimeter player..

Edit: 16 Millsap and 16 Horford

:roll:

bruh...

starting to think some poasters here didnt catch the drift.

anyway, Ill play along...

Dirk? Prove this man wasn't such a bad defender as he's made out to be!

[ArbitraryWater]

The key to peer reviewing any good advanced metric is to release to us the formula and it's biases and then we actually judge it.


Nice try, Plankton

:oldlol:

[GOATbrook]

Russell GOATbrook

[feyki]

05-07 Nash

02-04 Kidd

96-98 Payton

2001-2003 Duncan

2000-2002 Shaq

04-06 Dirk

02-04 KG

82-84 Bird

12-14 Lebron

[DingDengDong]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]0.08 ISBDB

[Young X]

Tony Allen 2015

Where does this season rank compared to the other guard seasons?

[warriorfan]

You just proved with that retort that you have 0 credibility.

dat moment when someone takes an obvious joke seriously

:coleman:

[Im Still Ballin]

Tony Allen 2015

Where does this season rank compared to the other guard seasons?
0.19 ISBDB

[Im Still Ballin]

Why is Klay so low? He is the best two way player in the league.
He appears to have extremely weak defensive advanced statistics as well as raw statistics

All the stats are saying this

This leaves us with the subjective analysis

[Smoke117]

So based on your stat, Whiteside > Draymond as a defender?

Based on his dumb ass stat Whiteside was a better defensive player than a 94 Hakeem

[Im Still Ballin]

Based on his dumb ass stat Whiteside was a better defensive player than a 94 Hakeem
Era specificity and the Algebraic barometer hypothesis

Do your research before you make ignorant uninformed posts

[TommyGriffin]

Based on his dumb ass stat Whiteside was a better defensive player than a 94 Hakeem
Unless you are very proficient in multivariable calculus then I suggest you should hold your tongue.

[NBAGOAT]

i'll ask again since you missed it 16 Millsap and Horford. Based on previous data, I wouldn't be surprised if Millsap was above Draymond even though Most people would disagree.

[Im Still Ballin]

i'll ask again since you missed it 16 Millsap and Horford. Based on previous data, I wouldn't be surprised if Millsap was above Draymond even though Most people would disagree.
16 Millsap: 0.23 ISBDB

[Hizack]

Can you reveal the formula?

[sd3035]

formula proves Curry has been elite on the defensive end these last two seasons :applause: :applause:

[sd3035]

He appears to have extremely weak defensive advanced statistics as well as raw statistics

All the stats are saying this

This leaves us with the subjective analysis

Klay is extremely overrated on defense, but many people also underrate him on offense. He can actually create his own shot, he just doesn't need to because the defense collapses on Curry all the time

[Im Still Ballin]

Klay is extremely overrated on defense, but many people also underrate him on offense. He can actually create his own shot, he just doesn't need to because the defense collapses on Curry all the time
This seems to be what the research and evidence suggests.

[Im Still Ballin]

Carlos Boozer 2011: 0.21 ISBDB™

Carlos Boozer 2010: 0.17 ISBDB™

Interesting

2011 Bulls: Def Rtg: 100.3 (1st of 30)
2010 Jazz: Def Rtg: 105.0 (10th of 30)

[Im Still Ballin]

ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Carlos Boozer 2011: 0.21 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Carlos Boozer 2011: 0.35 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Dwyane Wade 2009: 0.14 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Dwyane Wade 2009: 0.34 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Dwyane Wade 2012: 0.18 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Dwyane Wade 2012: 0.36 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Hassan Whiteside 2016: 0.25 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Hassan Whiteside 2016: 0.59 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Hakeem Olajuwon 1994: 0.24 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Hakeem Olajuwon 1994: 0.71 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Andrei Kirilenko 2005: 0.15 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Andrei Kirilenko 2005: 0.68 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

LeBron James 2009: 0.21 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

LeBron James 2009: 0.57 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Kawhi Leonard 2016: 0.23 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Kawhi Leonard 2016: 0.51 ISBDB™V2.0

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ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Scottie Pippen 1995: 0.22 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Scottie Pippen 1995: 0.62 ISBDB™V2.0

[Im Still Ballin]

ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Draymond Green 2016: 0.18 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Draymond Green 2016: 0.57 ISBDB™V2.0

[Hizack]

But can you reveal V1.0's formula?

[Im Still Ballin]

But can you reveal V1.0's formula?
Not quite yet

Need to keep tweaking and altering the formula

Still in the testing phase

V2.0 is looking REALLY good

Not as many statistical outliers

We need to do more testing to see if any questionable cases arise

[BlakFrankWhite]

Duncan '02-03?

Howard 2008-09?

[VengefulAngel]

Do you really think that multiplying everything by a constant will affect the formula?

If so you are much dumber than I thought.

[Im Still Ballin]

Duncan '02-03?

Howard 2008-09?
Duncan: 0.64 ISBDB

[Im Still Ballin]

Do you really think that multiplying everything by a constant will affect the formula?

If so you are much dumber than I thought.
Retention Vertices Numerator (RVN)

Read some books

[VengefulAngel]

Retention Vertices Numerator (RVN)

Read some books

Ok this is clearly a joke now.

[Im Still Ballin]

Ok this is clearly a joke now.
I'm not sure why you're getting so upset

Looks like you just want the formula, or feel threatened by my works

[InsanityKills]

Amazing analysis ISB! One of the greatest minds in ISH history. PM me the equation I'd like to run some numbers and see what improvements I can make.